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Topic: Someone please make a steem clone - page 5. (Read 14356 times)

legendary
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August 24, 2016, 11:13:27 PM
Steem just opened up a successful front that entices people to open up their first CC account, and you're like, "Hey, that's working! Let's try to minimize its effectiveness with another project, but this time will make it extra decentralized so varying factions can quibble on the most effective means to spend their marketing budget (or not spend any of it with chants of "HODL!").

It took me awhile to see why steem's distribution makes sense (or more sense), but when I did  Shocked



could you explain to us? because i dont see it... right now a few whales control the platform and generally they only upvote sh*t post(i'm not saying one o mine should be upvoted, i'm saying i've saw good writers there getting 50+ upvotes but only a few bucks for that, and other posts, with less than 10 upvotes being paid 1000USD+)

one vote from ned and you get 1500+ SBD. that doesnt make sense to me.

It's not about good writing (most people rarely even understand great writing, so intimidating noobs away is hardly a good idea--see Nietzsche). What you want is fun posts that invite people in and get them thinking, "I can do that?" You also want post that further implant the meme of cryptocurrencies into the social consciousness (see gateway drugs), and you want established players in content creation to prove that the platform works. And finally, you want to represent different clicks of ethnic, social, and cultural backgrounds.  

*a few BOOBS don't hurt either.

As far as the whale factor--you're going to see lag. What's important is that the big markets get addressed, not that quality content is rewarded, that will be addressed by sub-communities who will be better arbiters of what is good for the community and what is quality--see poetry section (a poem that used a double "that" final end-rhyme got the highest payout of $2,700, a reputable poetry forum wouldn't let that happen--but that takes time.). If you look at the financial and cryptocurrency sections, you'll see that the quality, for the most part, is superior than the other sections, mostly because we have a community already established in cc and hundreds of articles waiting to be discovered by people outside our community.

Thank you for a good explanation. The sad part here is those who share their mind blowing posts and originals might get copied also. That will be stressful for the user less payed and someone stole your idea. Ergh
legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
August 24, 2016, 10:48:10 PM
hero member
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August 24, 2016, 06:51:15 AM
Well, if you breakdown masteryoda's stats 40% of all Steemit posts involve Steemit...
So you have an incestuous echo chamber about "Steemit changing my life/the world".

Well, how about Bitcoin? It's a payment network right? How much of its daily volume is only the same crypto folks buying and selling other cryptos for Bitcoin?
If you substract the crypto trading spam, what is left?
Quite an incestuous echo chamber too...
It's only normal that a technology caters to the interests of its early adopters. In the case of Bitcoin, it's been 7 years and it's still mainly a crypto-geek thing.
Steem is a few months old. The Steem themed content is naturally still getting a lot of attention, but as time passes and users from more diverse horizons join, the relative proportion of Steem themed content will shrink. I really don't see this as a concern at all.

Subtracting the Steemit spam, the "lotto plan" worked initially...
But users have been flat for a month now at about 3,000 random ultra low value daily posters...
Where do you pull these starts from? I'm seeing loads of new users joining everyday. Only this week we got Charles Hoskinson, Trace Meyer, Roger Ver and Charlie Shrem who joined among other well known Bitcoin personalities. If that isn't a sign of Steem spreading and gaining acceptation within the Bitcoin community, I don't know what is. Show me a single other project that isn't a sidechain and that's getting endorsement from so many Bitcoiners so fast.

With no sign of a coherent marketing plan to do anything coherent except more of the same.
Facebook, Twitter and Reddit also did "more of the same", and ended up being huge social networks.
That's unfair but it's like that: social networks benefit from network effects. There is no better marketing than existing users introducing their friends.

How is this worth $160 million... maybe tech is worth $50 million if a marketing professional implements an actual plan.

It's worth what people are ready to pay for it. It doesn't matter if it means $50M or $160M or whatever. Like every crypto, what is fueling the price is speculation about future prospects, not really the current state. Ethereum in its current state is certainly not worth $1B either, it is almost entirely useless, all projects supposed to launch in early 2016 are late and the first high profile application that was launched on it was an epic failure. It's worth $1B because people think it's gonna grow to a $10B+ market cap. Same thing for Steem. If it grows to become a popular social network, it will have a multi-billion dollars market cap. Right now of course it's just a social experiment that could fail completely.
full member
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bitcoin bitcoinci den alınır . bitcoinci
August 24, 2016, 04:40:38 AM
how can i install steemit at my hosting area ? it is opensource , and is there any way to install it in my local language ?
legendary
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August 24, 2016, 04:16:38 AM
The primary driver that brings people to Steem is dream. Millions of people already post content. It costs them nothing to post content. They do it anyway out of boredom and loneliness, because that gives them the feeling of being part of something. So now they can turn this content into lottery tickets...

Well, if you breakdown masteryoda's stats 40% of all Steemit posts involve Steemit...
So you have an incestuous echo chamber about "Steemit changing my life/the world".
 
Subtracting the Steemit spam, the "lotto plan" worked initially...
But users have been flat for a month now at about 3,000 random ultra low value daily posters...
With no sign of a coherent marketing plan to do anything coherent except more of the same.

How is this worth $160 million... maybe tech is worth $50 million if a marketing professional implements an actual plan.
legendary
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August 24, 2016, 12:11:10 AM
Where's the fucking upvote button when you need it? Cheesy
hero member
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August 23, 2016, 10:37:44 PM
Note your point is very valid as a potential criticism of my plan to remove the quadratic reward (and make it linear). But with the linear reward, then more women can get a few bucks, than a few women gettings $1000s.

This goes to show you don't understand on of the main driver that brings people to Steem.

People struggle to make the ends meet, that's why they buy lottery tickets. Do you think they would buy lottery tickets if lottery was egalitarian and low risk / low reward? People don't put 5 bucks in lottery tickets to earn up to 10 bucks with a decent probability or get half their money back. People buy lottery tickets for the tiny chance of making it so big that they can quit their shit job and give the middle finger to their asshole boss. And if they don't get that, they are fine to lose their money and keep trying painstakingly every week. That's how despaired people are.

The primary driver that brings people to Steem is dream. Millions of people already post content. It costs them nothing to post content. They do it anyway out of boredom and loneliness, because that gives them the feeling of being part of something. So now they can turn this content into lottery tickets, and not only does it pay big when it works, but it also has a significantly higher chance of hitting! And they don't need to wait one week or one month for the draw. The draw happens everyday. Everyday they get that rush of dopamine, and it's damn good, and it's damn addictive. It's like gambling except that there is no risk of ending bankrupt. And when they don't hit big, they still have the consolation prize, they build up a little bit of karma and can dream of a more remote, future day where the little karma they earned will be worth thousand times more like it happened for early bitcoiners.

If you look at things from that perspective, Steem has got it right all across the board.
* Shit posts make thousands of bucks? That's exactly what should be happening, because if it wasn't the case, Joe blogger would not stand a chance of earning anything, and he would know it.
* Payouts are totally unbalanced? Lotto effect, selling dreams.
* Daily payout? that's a lottery draw every single fscking day ... If you posted today => continuous engagement, addiction.
* Whales hold all the power? That's precisely why all the wholesome unbalance is happening. Whales are instrumental in detecting new members that can bring them more users and shower them with cash to buy their loyalty (see @dollarvigilante for ex), and making things look as arbitrary as possible for the rest of their votes so that people think (and rightly so) that even them can make it big one day, and that day may be just around the corner.
* Really cheesy stuff gets paid thousands? That's also great because everyone has cheesy stuff to write. Got big boobs -> can make money. Got cute toddlers or pets -> can make money. Got a cool car? -> can make money. Are a big attention whore? -> can make money. Are a silly selfie taking teen? -> can make money. And what if you've got nothing of the above? Well, see, that gets even better. Are bipolar, autistic, depressed, suicidal? -> Can make money. Are a big drug junkie? -> Can make money. Just got out of jail, or even better still in jail? -> Can make money. Got raped or abused or mugged or whatever? -> Can make money. Got fired from you job? -> Can make money. In fact, the more shit or bizarre things that happened to you, the more likely it is that you gonna make money telling them. The only people who don't make money on Steem are people who have a boring uneventful tepid life with zero feeling of joy or pain or despair or rage, and these aren't the people who need Steem in their life anyway. They'll just follow eventually when everyone else is on Steem.

So the bottom line is that I see Steem is doing just the right thing. You can make a clone, but it won't be quite as successful unless you copy their model. And if you copy their model, then what's the selling point of your clone?

As one of the posters mentioned above (don't remember who), there is a niche for longer term quality content. Steem is focused on short term earnings. Posts receive the bulk of their attention and revenue within 24h, and catch the few late voters within a 30-day window. The Steemit page makes it almost impossible to find content older than 30 days and quite difficult to find content older than 24h unless it was a huge hit. There is no way to keep receiving payouts past 30 days, so Steem is a bad fit for serious professional content writers who normally earn royalties for life on their content. Steem isn't a good fit for professional novelists, artists, researchers etc. A clone that would target the longer term would have no difficulty cornering the market because Steem just doesn't try to be that so there won't be any competition at all. And there is no need of rewriting the code. Steem technology is pretty good. The only thing that is needed is change the incentives to encourage voting for the long term, like buying equity in the post to benefit from future (possibly remote) prospects and change the Steemit web front-end to allow structured access by theme and advanced search instead of the currently "hot / trending" system that caters to a very short term / narrow attention span type of consumption.

I'd be interested helping with developing / launching a clone like that (I'm a very experienced C++ dev). But I'm not interested trying to compete with Steem when it's obvious to me that they are already doing everything that they need to do to reach hyper-growth. Actually, it's been 7 years that cryptocurrencies are trying to escape the gravity pull of geekdom to launch into mainstream. The closer we have ever been was Dogecoin, and it was just a flash in the pan. Steem is the first crypto to make it into Joe space. If you / me / anyone around here really know better, why is it that none of us managed to pull what they just pulled? What are our chances to beat them at a game none of us even realized was possible a few months ago? Why not instead just seize effortlessly the other totally empty niches that Steem tech has just made possible?
sr. member
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August 23, 2016, 09:28:33 AM

How's your work going? Much closer? ETA!? Wink
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August 19, 2016, 08:04:49 AM
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member
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August 19, 2016, 01:30:00 AM
the problem with clones was that most of the times clones was ready to scam , now days some original coins scaming instantly and you have nothing to wait from a clone , well expect some hype!
sr. member
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August 18, 2016, 10:56:55 PM
sr. member
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August 15, 2016, 11:28:34 AM
If an altcoin distributes tokens into 100s of million of users' wallets in a way that they won't just dump it immediately (e.g. Auroracoin airdrop) and which they are engaged into that token's ecosystem, then Bitcoin has become the Appcoin!
sr. member
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August 13, 2016, 09:39:21 AM
Steemit website looks like it was built in the 80's, it's awful.

Seriously this site give such a bad image to crypto and it makes the project looks so cheap. Dan and Ned ( I believe ) have tried to improved some aspect of the design today but it got even worse, really they shouldn't even try to work on the front end, they clearly suck.

It's a shame that the site pays playmates 10k USD per post but can't get a dev to code a new modern UI.

https://steemit.com/steemit/@steve-walschot/dear-steemit-why-do-you-undervalue-your-developers-who-make-this-platform-big-and-usable

The minimalist UI argument is moot, you can have a very clean design that doesn't look like a stone aged website.

https://steemit.com/steemit/@etherdesign/new-website-design-for-steemit  This user came up with a pretty good design and is probably more suited than Dan for the job. Dan clearly has no idea what a UI should look like in 2016.


totally agree, i dont know why they didn't hire a good designer yet
legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
August 13, 2016, 05:32:41 AM
The English trick was to speak for the base, the French to the base....the American from the base...

https://steemit.com/poetry/@generalizethis/icarus-part-one


Or maybe the dumbed down uni-version--is better?

https://steemit.com/story/@ericvancewalton/success-an-original-poem

I mean why make someone pick up a book (including the narrator--I'll leave the reader to decide if hammock pics and first-word/best-choice rhymes deserve more than a chapbook's fee from a reputable magazine--especially when the structural irony of the soapbox is in question.)

or put simpler, "Dude, where's my high-school English teacher? Can't he see I'm an artiste' chillin like a villain? Suckers! Didn't even have to dust off my feet."


Maybe I should just play nice and say,

(not on my watch, but bonus for using original in the heading to disguise the triteness of the observation)

https://steemit.com/story/@ericvancewalton/the-edge-an-original-poem



https://steemit.com/poetry/@generalizethis/how-do-you-write-an-american-epic
sr. member
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August 13, 2016, 02:44:34 AM
Wow 15 BTC! I'm glad you could earn your monthly McDonalds Paycheck from them. Lol

I see you are jealous of (Vitalik) mETH's burn rate. I can get a lot done without wasting a lot of money.

Nobody cares what you think about vaporware or not, the facts are you don't have a product either, so shut the fuck up bashing other people.

Well it is factually incorrect to state that no one cares what I have to say. There may be a lot of others who may agree with you, I dunno.

And I wasn't bashing others. I was stating the facts. It is an ICO, it is vaporware, and it is a decentralized forum design, not long-form blogging.

If you think removing your source of slush fund is bashing with facts, then I am guilty as charged.

Instead you could take my post positively as a challenge to actually go release something before you raise money.

The "whitepaper" (lol, not even close to being a white paper) for Nimium (Nimrod connotation?) doesn't even layout the case for any monetization model.

If you actually were going to create a product, you wouldn't be making meth binge type rage posts against me each time I post.

Ah fuck those bitches. I stand by what I wrote there. They were bashing Jeff without any hard proof to support their allegations.

What have I written against you  Huh

And you'd have to be delusional to think I haven't being writing mostly about my research on the necessary design, marketing, and economics.


Orginally from the Biblical Nimrod, a mighty hunter, it has come to mean socially inadequade.



Before investors go buy a vaporware ICO, please read my insights:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.15907716
sr. member
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August 13, 2016, 02:39:36 AM
Put up or shut up.

Exactly. Vaporware isn't putting up.

I could also go create some fancy website and make all these claims to raise BTC for vaporware. But I am not. I will raise money when I have something (at least partially) functional to show.

Instead I worked my ass off (120 hours in a week) to self-fund my own BTC by working as a blogger at Steemit. Which also enabled me to learn about what works and doesn't work.

I'm a successful blogger at Steemit (who will now recuse myself from blogging while I think the rewards algorithm is rewarding the wrong behavior), raising some 15 BTC on my own efforts. This is not vaporware.

Wow 15 BTC! I'm glad you could earn your monthly McDonalds Paycheck from them. Lol
Nobody cares what you think about vaporware or not, the facts are you don't have a product either, so shut the fuck up bashing other people.
If you actually were going to create a product, you wouldn't be making meth binge type rage posts against me each time I post.
sr. member
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August 13, 2016, 01:23:30 AM
Put up or shut up.

Exactly. Vaporware isn't putting up.

I could also go create some fancy website and make all these claims to raise BTC for vaporware. But I am not. I will raise money when I have something (at least partially) functional to show.

Instead I worked my ass off (120 hours in a week) to self-fund my own BTC by working as a blogger at Steemit. Which also enabled me to learn about what works and doesn't work.

I'm a successful blogger at Steemit (who will now recuse myself from blogging while I think the rewards algorithm is rewarding the wrong behavior), raising some 15 BTC on my own efforts. This is not vaporware.
sr. member
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August 13, 2016, 01:22:25 AM
Anyone who is interested in the steem platform should look up https://nimirum.org/ it is an upcoming project with a bright future.

It is not exactly like steemit, but similar

more infos
https://cointelegraph.com/news/nimirum-on-a-mission-to-end-online-censorship-with-blockchain-technology

Everybody wants to come into this thread and sell a vaporware ICO.

What all these are missing is they don't understand the marketing and scaling issues for viral adoption.

Note that Nimirium is a decentralized forum, not afaik a long-form blogging platform like Steemit.

I claim (or let's say I have reasons to think) I will beat all of these, but I won't beat them to be first to ICO vaporware. So investors pick your horses and be aware.

Put up or shut up.
sr. member
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August 13, 2016, 12:52:22 AM
Anyone who is interested in the steem platform should look up https://nimirum.org/ it is an upcoming project with a bright future.

It is not exactly like steemit, but similar

more infos
https://cointelegraph.com/news/nimirum-on-a-mission-to-end-online-censorship-with-blockchain-technology

Everybody wants to come into this thread and sell a vaporware ICO.

What all these are missing is they don't understand the marketing and scaling issues for viral adoption.

Note that Nimirium is a decentralized forum, not afaik a long-form blogging platform like Steemit.

I claim (or let's say I have reasons to think) I will beat all of these, but I won't beat them to be first to ICO vaporware. So investors pick your horses and be aware.
legendary
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August 13, 2016, 12:04:13 AM
It will need much time and money for make it, because as we knew volume trading of steem is very high. And it will need big support from developer and comunity, but it is just my opinion. I am doubt there are people will make speculation but who is know.
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