Spain bans betting adds - no celebrities, no sport sponsorship, no daytime adds

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 05, 2021, 09:00:41 AM

just adding some other points to the discussion
on places drugs are forbidden you don't see any ads about drugs on television, radio or whatever, pretty sure that even places with lighter regulations still don't have massive ad campaigns on that

I understand we need ads to feed the "passion for products" and I know from experience that they work

but not all industries need ads

the example of the drug market is a good one because people don't need television or internet ads, it just sells

I don't think so, every product definitely needs advertising so that they can be known by everyone. But in this case, the advertisement has several types of gambling advertisements, drug products, and also all that have the aim of being known. There are direct ads and indirect ads. You have to think about this carefully because advertising is one of the most important factors in expanding your network.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 05, 2021, 09:00:41 AM

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on September 29, 2021, 10:18:26 AM

Quote from: Kittygalore on September 29, 2021, 04:38:08 AM

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key thing is: bad for who?
not for bitcointalk signature campaigns if Spain gambling business end up coming online

in the end I think its good to have some regulation on the kind of publicity we allow on media, specially for young people

Brazil could definitely benefit for having less ads about beer and alcohol...
we don't have gambling ads here

idk...

Of course for the gambling businesses, businesses need to stay relevant so they do advertising and sponsorship to place their name on where the public can see it while watching their favorite sports.

just adding some other points to the discussion
on places drugs are forbidden you don't see any ads about drugs on television, radio or whatever, pretty sure that even places with lighter regulations still don't have massive ad campaigns on that

I understand we need ads to feed the "passion for products" and I know from experience that they work

but not all industries need ads

the example of the drug market is a good one because people don't need television or internet ads, it just sells

I don't think it's a relevant comparison because gambling is not a prohibited activity like selling and using drugs. At least in democratic countries, then I think gambling operators should be free to promote their offers and people should be free to accept them or to refuse them.

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Quote from: Kittygalore on October 05, 2021, 09:18:47 AM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 05, 2021, 09:00:41 AM

Quote from: Kittygalore on October 05, 2021, 06:59:47 AM

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just adding some other points to the discussion
on places drugs are forbidden you don't see any ads about drugs on television, radio or whatever, pretty sure that even places with lighter regulations still don't have massive ad campaigns on that

I understand we need ads to feed the "passion for products" and I know from experience that they work

but not all industries need ads

the example of the drug market is a good one because people don't need television or internet ads, it just sells

What drugs are you talking about? Pretty sure I can give you some examples of those drugs that you're talking about. There are ads for cough medicine in my country. Well, not all industry but given how glamorous and how ads benefits almost any kind of business, I don't think that there's no industry that Haven tried advertising.

oh, yes, not talking about traditional drugs here that are bought on the pharmacy but about street drugs that are forbidden,
the ones politicians usually make a lot of money with but that are banned so they have a black market and a premium over price

the point it
for these you still have high demand even without ads

Even though I don't use drugs, not even alcohol, I like to learn about markets and how the world works

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on October 05, 2021, 09:00:41 AM

Quote from: Kittygalore on October 05, 2021, 06:59:47 AM

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just adding some other points to the discussion
on places drugs are forbidden you don't see any ads about drugs on television, radio or whatever, pretty sure that even places with lighter regulations still don't have massive ad campaigns on that

I understand we need ads to feed the "passion for products" and I know from experience that they work

but not all industries need ads

the example of the drug market is a good one because people don't need television or internet ads, it just sells

What drugs are you talking about? Pretty sure I can give you some examples of those drugs that you're talking about. There are ads for cough medicine in my country. Well, not all industry but given how glamorous and how ads benefits almost any kind of business, I don't think that there's no industry that Haven tried advertising.

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Quote from: Kittygalore on October 05, 2021, 06:59:47 AM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on September 29, 2021, 10:18:26 AM

Quote from: Kittygalore on September 29, 2021, 04:38:08 AM

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key thing is: bad for who?
not for bitcointalk signature campaigns if Spain gambling business end up coming online

in the end I think its good to have some regulation on the kind of publicity we allow on media, specially for young people

Brazil could definitely benefit for having less ads about beer and alcohol...
we don't have gambling ads here

idk...

Of course for the gambling businesses, businesses need to stay relevant so they do advertising and sponsorship to place their name on where the public can see it while watching their favorite sports.

just adding some other points to the discussion
on places drugs are forbidden you don't see any ads about drugs on television, radio or whatever, pretty sure that even places with lighter regulations still don't have massive ad campaigns on that

I understand we need ads to feed the "passion for products" and I know from experience that they work

but not all industries need ads

the example of the drug market is a good one because people don't need television or internet ads, it just sells

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Well ...as far as I know , Spain has a gambling problem so that is why you never see local betting houses in the streets corners like you see in rest of the countries in Europe. Per example in my country you have one betting house near every local show ...and the number of them is still in rising so no wonder why Spain decided to make this step and ban de ads because they have a massive gambling problem among the citizens and most of them are youngsters.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on September 29, 2021, 10:18:26 AM

Quote from: Kittygalore on September 29, 2021, 04:38:08 AM

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key thing is: bad for who?
not for bitcointalk signature campaigns if Spain gambling business end up coming online

in the end I think its good to have some regulation on the kind of publicity we allow on media, specially for young people

Brazil could definitely benefit for having less ads about beer and alcohol...
we don't have gambling ads here

idk...

Of course for the gambling businesses, businesses need to stay relevant so they do advertising and sponsorship to place their name on where the public can see it while watching their favorite sports.

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Quote from: Dragonfund on September 30, 2021, 11:11:41 AM

Quote from: STT on September 27, 2021, 02:51:00 PM

Surely Spain is denying themselves tax revenue from a valid past time. I'd rather they tax betting in some form, allow business to advertise itself and reduce the load on vital natural businesses and people from excessive taxation and government debt which every modern western country seems to have in modern times.

The world is now a civilized place that every country would want to socialize its citizens except for the countries that are govern by detectors, last I check Spain doesn't have any similarities of China and some hard-core countries who restrict people in many things.
Gambling is one of the biggest industries where revenue are been generated, they can't choose to ignore the impact on the economy but regulation would have been better for the safety of everyone. The government that has always been about their pocket are claiming to be protecting her people, odd system of government.

While a socialist party led coalition governs Spain at the moment, it has nothing in common with China or other authoritarian regimes - Spain is a democracy that works reasonably well, laws and rules are followed and got realistically free elections, like most western European countries. When you speak of Socialism in Europe you are talking about social democrats not about Marxism, Stalinism or the like.

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Quote from: Wakate on October 03, 2021, 04:04:22 AM

It will be hard for gambling site to continue there stay in Spain since the government had decided to attack there business and the right for citizens to advertise there favorite betting companies.

Is that sort of an attack? maybe so they have to do in able for them to gain elsewhere or to stop what they're trying to stop.

Quote from: Wakate on October 03, 2021, 04:04:22 AM

This is a big hit on the entertainment industry cause betting companies are most ready to sponsor entertainment to the moon so that there companies can also be held. If the government is no more interested in taxes gotten from betting companies then, maybe something is wrong somewhere.

There are a lot of sponsors that are coming from the bookies and it's really a big hit for them if they stopped accepting that to happen. Spain being strict on these things, they should have at least be a little bit loose on it if they want to give the people affected with this policy to still have a better means of living.

I think once Spain sees the output and result of his betting terms, like being negative or turned into bad situation, they will immediately modified what on the terms. For now, since it's now in effect, let's see what will happen next. The terms will not be formed in the first place if it's done in rush. There are lots of consideration that being talked in the discussion before taking it place. It was planned properly and organized before it was decided to be implemented.

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If they don't like the exposure of gambling in their country then they can put the ban hammer instead doing doing things which isn't effective at all but affect the people financially who are living in that sector.

You should realize that putting a ban totally will make things much worst. You care for financial concerns but not looking at the post-effect if there will be a total ban. There's no mention that they don't like gambling exposure. They are just limiting the marketing content and it's not just Spain alone who approved it but the European Commission themselves.

It's stated that; "betting companies sponsoring teams and athletes had contributed to the ‘normalising’ of betting which has ‘serious health and social risks’. It claims that athletes' status as role models had led to an increase in gambling among young people aged 18 to 25, rising from 29 per cent to 40 per cent in the last four years. The amount of money spent by young people in Spain on gambling, meanwhile, had risen by 13 per cent annually."

And because of the pandemic, that number might be much higher since everyone is in their home. It's no secret that Europe is the most active in gambling during pandemic that's why everyone, at any age, got exposed to gambling.

I know that the immediate ban of anything will burst the people who are addicted to it and they will become crazier than ever while my statement is that their real intention of doing this is not to limit the gambling activities because the casinos will find other way to promote if one way is getting banned that is what I really wanted to mention about.

I don't know if you really understand my statement as your response has nothing to do with my post. It's not that people who are addicted to gambling will turn into rampage mode if there's a total ban. That's not totally what I meant but on the whole gambling aspect if ever there will be a total ban of gambling there starting from financial aspects to the economic effect.

If casinos will find others to promote their brand then so be it. As long as they are complying with the new betting ads terms there should be no problem.

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Quote from: Wakate on October 03, 2021, 04:04:22 AM

It will be hard for gambling site to continue there stay in Spain since the government had decided to attack there business and the right for citizens to advertise there favorite betting companies.

Is that sort of an attack? maybe so they have to do in able for them to gain elsewhere or to stop what they're trying to stop.

Quote from: Wakate on October 03, 2021, 04:04:22 AM

This is a big hit on the entertainment industry cause betting companies are most ready to sponsor entertainment to the moon so that there companies can also be held. If the government is no more interested in taxes gotten from betting companies then, maybe something is wrong somewhere.

There are a lot of sponsors that are coming from the bookies and it's really a big hit for them if they stopped accepting that to happen. Spain being strict on these things, they should have at least be a little bit loose on it if they want to give the people affected with this policy to still have a better means of living.

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Surely Spain is denying themselves tax revenue from a valid past time. I'd rather they tax betting in some form, allow business to advertise itself and reduce the load on vital natural businesses and people from excessive taxation and government debt which every modern western country seems to have in modern times.

It will be hard for gambling site to continue there stay in Spain since the government had decided to attack there business and the right for citizens to advertise there favorite betting companies. This is a big hit on the entertainment industry cause betting companies are most ready to sponsor entertainment to the moon so that there companies can also be held. If the government is no more interested in taxes gotten from betting companies then, maybe something is wrong somewhere.

Well they can innovate and join the online scene since for this they can widen up their market then possibly they can get more gamblers came from different parts of the world. This is now the trend so if they want to continue there business well its good to find some ways to make it more alive and they can market it anywhere then can do anything without government bothering them in terms of marketing.

But if the government will impose laws in regards to this, there is no way they could make it and they should have to pay, otherwise.
As it was noticed that the gambling industry is growing, the governments will be taking this a chance to get profit, that is how bad and corrupt the government system we had. Personally, I don't have such claims as it was our obligation to pay taxes as we run a business legally but too sad to see that these people urging us to pay huge tax which is not really acceptable.

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Quote from: boyptc on October 01, 2021, 06:31:50 PM

Quote from: Dragonfund on September 30, 2021, 11:11:41 AM

Gambling is one of the biggest industries where revenue are been generated, they can't choose to ignore the impact on the economy but regulation would have been better for the safety of everyone. The government that has always been about their pocket are claiming to be protecting her people, odd system of government.

But they chose to do these restrictions and they know the economic impact of it. If it's likely been the bread and butter of their economy, they won't do things that will be unfavorable to the industry.

They have other sources for their economy and that's why they put that much restriction on gambling.

this is the thing
incentives are twisted all over the place
maybe through web 3 we'll find a way to align incentives and give more freedom for people to choose what they want, with less regulations

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Of course this will have an impact on a club where there is no sponsor or promoter in it. I can't understand why the spanish government is doing that when we know there are some clubs there that will certainly get the impact. even though if you look at gambling it's not that bad. even in most countries some people make gambling a job but there are still countries that forbid it. maybe with this new regulation there are positive and negative sides so you can't judge a thing. I think it will be a tough job.

Probably to minimize the exposure of those gambling site, especially many young people sees the player advertising such gambling company so its not good for them. Just like in UK now where they are regulating the advertisements about gambling for the purpose of this one, they are just protecting their people. Beside, those clubs can get other sponsorship, gambling sites are not the only option for them.

Yes, they want to protect their young people from seeing the gambling content in the advertisements. If that is about the player advertise something besides gambling, that will surely allow by the government. But the matter is if the young people see so many gambling advertisements, the government is afraid that the young people can get in the wrong way. Maybe the gambling companies need to modify their advertisements for the player so it does not look to expose the gambling but could replace showing their company logos.

I think they still want to protect their young people, this is not the way, when they are young there is no fear of anything, in fact there is a great belief that they are capable of doing whatever, if something is prohibited, naturally they will want to do it jumping all The rules, if they want to protect their young people, the best thing is education, cultivation, it cannot be a taboo subject, it all has to do with making money.

They want to do this like the drug problem, they want to do many things against it, of course drugs are dangerous, they even kill, but I think that advertising in crypto is an exaggeration that they are prohibited, I think that is not the way.

Young people can not hold their emotion or passion when they feel excited instead trying getting involve deeper without thinking about the risk that they can get from gambling. That is why the government is doing that in the hope that they can protect young people from gambling because they have a long journey in their lives.

Maybe besides banning gambling, the government and the parents need to educate young people to understand the risk or other things that can happen if someone involves in gambling. If the government and the parents can do that, I think it will give young people knowing that all that things are dangerous for them and should not break that.

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Quote from: Wakate on October 03, 2021, 04:04:22 AM

Quote from: STT on September 27, 2021, 02:51:00 PM

Surely Spain is denying themselves tax revenue from a valid past time. I'd rather they tax betting in some form, allow business to advertise itself and reduce the load on vital natural businesses and people from excessive taxation and government debt which every modern western country seems to have in modern times.

It will be hard for gambling site to continue there stay in Spain since the government had decided to attack there business and the right for citizens to advertise there favorite betting companies. This is a big hit on the entertainment industry cause betting companies are most ready to sponsor entertainment to the moon so that there companies can also be held. If the government is no more interested in taxes gotten from betting companies then, maybe something is wrong somewhere.

Well they can innovate and join the online scene since for this they can widen up their market then possibly they can get more gamblers came from different parts of the world. This is now the trend so if they want to continue there business well its good to find some ways to make it more alive and they can market it anywhere then can do anything without government bothering them in terms of marketing.

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Quote from: STT on September 27, 2021, 02:51:00 PM

Surely Spain is denying themselves tax revenue from a valid past time. I'd rather they tax betting in some form, allow business to advertise itself and reduce the load on vital natural businesses and people from excessive taxation and government debt which every modern western country seems to have in modern times.

It will be hard for gambling site to continue there stay in Spain since the government had decided to attack there business and the right for citizens to advertise there favorite betting companies. This is a big hit on the entertainment industry cause betting companies are most ready to sponsor entertainment to the moon so that there companies can also be held. If the government is no more interested in taxes gotten from betting companies then, maybe something is wrong somewhere.

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Quote from: boyptc on October 01, 2021, 06:31:50 PM

But they chose to do these restrictions and they know the economic impact of it. If it's likely been the bread and butter of their economy, they won't do things that will be unfavorable to the industry.

They have other sources for their economy and that's why they put that much restriction on gambling.

Sure Spain have gone through research and studies of what would be the impact to their economy if betting ads will be ban. We all knew that gambling industry really contribute a great revenue to the economy of a certain country and that's what I have observed here in my country because gambling is legal here but never I have had encountered gambling advertisements in our national television. I guess maybe this is just one of the way of the government to prevent those kid become curious about gambling.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on October 01, 2021, 06:22:30 PM

I think they still want to protect their young people, this is not the way, when they are young there is no fear of anything, in fact there is a great belief that they are capable of doing whatever, if something is prohibited, naturally they will want to do it jumping all The rules, if they want to protect their young people, the best thing is education, cultivation, it cannot be a taboo subject, it all has to do with making money.

They want to do this like the drug problem, they want to do many things against it, of course drugs are dangerous, they even kill, but I think that advertising in crypto is an exaggeration that they are prohibited, I think that is not the way.

Correct, the desire to protect the young from gambling I think it is justified and I think we can all agree with that, the problem is how they are dealing with this, as we know every single law has more consequences than the ones intended by the governments, banning ads like this is problematic as the gambling industry now will suffer because of it while those that depended on the revenue from those ads will suffer too, will the decrease in the economic activity be worth it? I doubt it, because even if this helps a few people to not get addicted to gambling the same could have been achieved with an awareness campaign.

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Quote from: Kittygalore on September 29, 2021, 04:38:08 AM

This is bad but gambling is one of those businesses that really don't need to advertise their service or product because they're still going to get more customers no matter what and what they lost in advertising isn't going to be that problematic. Take note that most customers of this kind of businesses that don't need advertising has a rich customer base.

All sorts of advertisement is necessary. Even if you are popular, you need to advertise so that others don't replace you. It will be problematic for them. They will miss the chance of getting potential customers. They have rich customer base, but they need even more! It's going to affect the teams the most. They are going to lose sponsorship. But I honestly don't like those gambling adverts they used to show on the TV. Most of them were "unrealistic" and very literally encouraging everyone to gamble.

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Quote from: Dragonfund on September 30, 2021, 11:11:41 AM

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It may be not easy for the government to take this decision.
But every decision must be considered and take because of some strong reasons.
We don't know exactly how the gambling cycle has been spreading in the country, how many addicted people are growing rapidly from time to time in the country.
Gambling may give big income for the country, but if it also offers bigger negative influence moreover, the country should take the certain decision.

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