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Quote from: Kittygalore on September 29, 2021, 03:38:08 AM

This is bad but gambling is one of those businesses that really don't need to advertise their service or product because they're still going to get more customers no matter what and what they lost in advertising isn't going to be that problematic. Take note that most customers of this kind of businesses that don't need advertising has a rich customer base.

key thing is: bad for who?
not for bitcointalk signature campaigns if Spain gambling business end up coming online

in the end I think its good to have some regulation on the kind of publicity we allow on media, specially for young people

Brazil could definitely benefit for having less ads about beer and alcohol...
we don't have gambling ads here

idk...

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Quote from: molsewid on September 29, 2021, 02:03:46 AM

Quote from: dimonstration on September 27, 2021, 12:06:17 PM

Spain have their reason to do so since many young people were engaged in gambling, however there will be some indistry that may leesen their income due to this banning, it will just be a matter of how they can still attract players with ads at night only. There are other platforms to do ads as well. It can work if they can team up with the government on their implementation like setting up that players should be on legal age and some agreement terms for them to still keep their business.

Sure, Spain Government have specific reasons to do such kind of bans and I think every country will sure going to do the same thing if the vulnerable on the said issue were the young ones. But somehow these kind of bans may result to a less market strategy effectiveness of any affected gambling sites but on the other hand thinking that the one who can saw the adds are those who in legal aged are somewhat acceptable why this kind of ban were implemented.

Only traditional casinos' marketing will be prejudiced, while crypto casinos' marketing will be highly effective after a ban on gambling by the government, as the public will look for alternatives to keep betting and crypto currency seems the perfect option in this case. And actually I have noticed crypto gambling advertisements are increasing in numbers and also in quality right now.
There are so many ads banners, reviews sites, lives or videos in different platforms and promotions disponible that I believe the migration from traditional casinos to crypto ones is happening quickly than expected.

While you have traditional casinos being forbidden from contracting celebrities and sportsmen, you have crypto casinos like Stake featuring sportsmen and partnering with UFC. As we can see the decay of part of the industry is also the rising of another side. And that is a natural thing, because businessmen, celebrities and athletes won't stop profiting just because a government impose them a prohibitive regulation.

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This is bad but gambling is one of those businesses that really don't need to advertise their service or product because they're still going to get more customers no matter what and what they lost in advertising isn't going to be that problematic. Take note that most customers of this kind of businesses that don't need advertising has a rich customer base.

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Quote from: dimonstration on September 27, 2021, 12:06:17 PM

Spain have their reason to do so since many young people were engaged in gambling, however there will be some indistry that may leesen their income due to this banning, it will just be a matter of how they can still attract players with ads at night only. There are other platforms to do ads as well. It can work if they can team up with the government on their implementation like setting up that players should be on legal age and some agreement terms for them to still keep their business.

Sure, Spain Government have specific reasons to do such kind of bans and I think every country will sure going to do the same thing if the vulnerable on the said issue were the young ones. But somehow these kind of bans may result to a less market strategy effectiveness of any affected gambling sites but on the other hand thinking that the one who can saw the adds are those who in legal aged are somewhat acceptable why this kind of ban were implemented.

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Surely Spain is denying themselves tax revenue from a valid past time. I'd rather they tax betting in some form, allow business to advertise itself and reduce the load on vital natural businesses and people from excessive taxation and government debt which every modern western country seems to have in modern times.

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Quote from: Silberman on September 27, 2021, 11:20:49 AM

The problem is that things are never that simple, I understand your point, on the surface this may seem to be a good thing as they are trying to protect the vulnerable, but we must understand that by doing this they are affecting the gambling, sport and the media industry, many jobs will be lost while we are still in the middle of a pandemic and we know that getting another job can be difficult, so is it worth it? And when you take into account all the factors the answer to that question becomes way more difficult.

Spain have their reason to do so since many young people were engaged in gambling, however there will be some indistry that may leesen their income due to this banning, it will just be a matter of how they can still attract players with ads at night only. There are other platforms to do ads as well. It can work if they can team up with the government on their implementation like setting up that players should be on legal age and some agreement terms for them to still keep their business.

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Quote from: molsewid on September 25, 2021, 07:39:37 AM

Quote from: Silberman on September 24, 2021, 11:27:41 AM

This is a good point, governments know very well that they make the rules of the game so they can threat whole industries with the severe actions against them and they know they can use any excuse that they want as people are going to believe them in order to officially raise them the taxes that they need to pay or they can do this and force them to pay an amount of money under the table that can serve for other politicians of the same political party to try to gain positions of power, this is corruption but it happens all over the world.

Setting bans in betting adds was just one of the way of the government to prevent a drastic effect of gambling into its constituents especially to lessen the curiosity of the child that could possible watch the adds. Eliminating the possible gambling addiction is impossible because a gambler will always find a way to engaged in gambling even if the government prohibited it. I see the positive side of this implementation for the sake of those vulnerable people but in gambling sector this may greatly affect the exposure of the establishments and business.

The problem is that things are never that simple, I understand your point, on the surface this may seem to be a good thing as they are trying to protect the vulnerable, but we must understand that by doing this they are affecting the gambling, sport and the media industry, many jobs will be lost while we are still in the middle of a pandemic and we know that getting another job can be difficult, so is it worth it? And when you take into account all the factors the answer to that question becomes way more difficult.

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Quote from: nurilham on September 20, 2021, 09:57:25 AM

Of course this will have an impact on a club where there is no sponsor or promoter in it. I can't understand why the spanish government is doing that when we know there are some clubs there that will certainly get the impact. even though if you look at gambling it's not that bad. even in most countries some people make gambling a job but there are still countries that forbid it. maybe with this new regulation there are positive and negative sides so you can't judge a thing. I think it will be a tough job.

Probably to minimize the exposure of those gambling site, especially many young people sees the player advertising such gambling company so its not good for them. Just like in UK now where they are regulating the advertisements about gambling for the purpose of this one, they are just protecting their people. Beside, those clubs can get other sponsorship, gambling sites are not the only option for them.

Yes, they want to protect their young people from seeing the gambling content in the advertisements. If that is about the player advertise something besides gambling, that will surely allow by the government. But the matter is if the young people see so many gambling advertisements, the government is afraid that the young people can get in the wrong way. Maybe the gambling companies need to modify their advertisements for the player so it does not look to expose the gambling but could replace showing their company logos.

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Quote from: nurilham on September 20, 2021, 09:57:25 AM

Of course this will have an impact on a club where there is no sponsor or promoter in it. I can't understand why the spanish government is doing that when we know there are some clubs there that will certainly get the impact. even though if you look at gambling it's not that bad. even in most countries some people make gambling a job but there are still countries that forbid it. maybe with this new regulation there are positive and negative sides so you can't judge a thing. I think it will be a tough job.

Probably to minimize the exposure of those gambling site, especially many young people sees the player advertising such gambling company so its not good for them. Just like in UK now where they are regulating the advertisements about gambling for the purpose of this one, they are just protecting their people. Beside, those clubs can get other sponsorship, gambling sites are not the only option for them.

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Quote from: Silberman on September 24, 2021, 11:27:41 AM

This is a good point, governments know very well that they make the rules of the game so they can threat whole industries with the severe actions against them and they know they can use any excuse that they want as people are going to believe them in order to officially raise them the taxes that they need to pay or they can do this and force them to pay an amount of money under the table that can serve for other politicians of the same political party to try to gain positions of power, this is corruption but it happens all over the world.

Setting bans in betting adds was just one of the way of the government to prevent a drastic effect of gambling into its constituents especially to lessen the curiosity of the child that could possible watch the adds. Eliminating the possible gambling addiction is impossible because a gambler will always find a way to engaged in gambling even if the government prohibited it. I see the positive side of this implementation for the sake of those vulnerable people but in gambling sector this may greatly affect the exposure of the establishments and business.

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Quote from: Silberman on September 15, 2021, 11:15:50 AM

That is an explanation however this is not the correct way to go about this, a society that prides itself on how they are so liberal cannot go around banning gambling ads, what is next? Banning alcohol ads because the young are drinking too much? The young are not going to stop doing it just because the governments does not allow advertising anymore, and the same is true with gambling, the young will do whatever they want and they will keep gambling even with this ban.

The continuous advertising by the gambling company is to keep up reminding their players, and on about new features they added and new bonuses and new promotion they have, there are occasional gamblers, these gamblers only play when there are new promotions or bonuses, without these promotion and giveaways advertising, there's no way to reach out for them.

I think that governments also make all these movements to find a type of link to negotiate with these companies, of course this is achieved with great secrecy, it is something that not many know but this type of business exists but in this case I know that Spain He is very delicate with everything that has to do with Crypto, with taxes, although internet advertising is something that is much more difficult to control.

I think that if these ads are legalized, it is because they will guarantee a tax according to the type of advertising, I am not from Spain, but I think that things can go in that direction.

This is a good point, governments know very well that they make the rules of the game so they can threat whole industries with the severe actions against them and they know they can use any excuse that they want as people are going to believe them in order to officially raise them the taxes that they need to pay or they can do this and force them to pay an amount of money under the table that can serve for other politicians of the same political party to try to gain positions of power, this is corruption but it happens all over the world.

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Quote from: Saisher on September 21, 2021, 06:25:39 PM

Quote from: Silberman on September 15, 2021, 11:15:50 AM

That is an explanation however this is not the correct way to go about this, a society that prides itself on how they are so liberal cannot go around banning gambling ads, what is next? Banning alcohol ads because the young are drinking too much? The young are not going to stop doing it just because the governments does not allow advertising anymore, and the same is true with gambling, the young will do whatever they want and they will keep gambling even with this ban.

The continuous advertising by the gambling company is to keep up reminding their players, and on about new features they added and new bonuses and new promotion they have, there are occasional gamblers, these gamblers only play when there are new promotions or bonuses, without these promotion and giveaways advertising, there's no way to reach out for them.

I think that governments also make all these movements to find a type of link to negotiate with these companies, of course this is achieved with great secrecy, it is something that not many know but this type of business exists but in this case I know that Spain He is very delicate with everything that has to do with Crypto, with taxes, although internet advertising is something that is much more difficult to control.

I think that if these ads are legalized, it is because they will guarantee a tax according to the type of advertising, I am not from Spain, but I think that things can go in that direction.

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Quote from: Silberman on September 21, 2021, 10:32:54 AM

Quote from: finaleshot2016 on September 20, 2021, 08:55:28 AM

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Quote from: sovie on September 15, 2021, 12:44:19 PM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/concern-about-the-the-problem-of-online-underaged-gamblers-5359739

Quote from: Rruchi man on September 13, 2021, 08:24:21 AM

I did a little research as to the statistics of underaged gamblers for last year, and according to an article, "39% of 11-16-year olds have bet their own money" as at when published in October 2020.

https://www.roulettesites.org/blog/responsible-gambling/underage-gambling.php

Just like pornographic sites, I don't think online gambling sites and casino's can fully checkmate underaged users that sign up, and as a result, unfortunately i see the number of underaged gamblers worldwide to increase significantly by October this year.

Its a serious concern that underage kids are falling badly to gambling sector and its collective responsibility of Parents, Government and society to stop this from happening. I don't think its a bad move since mature gamblers will find a way to do it. By advertising gambling to young minds will increase chance of there inclusion in this area which is a bad thing.

The issue is that I am not so sure such a wide ban is a good idea, after all while that statistic is worrying we also need to consider the circumstances in which those kids are and that is causing them to gamble at such an early age, while this is just a supposition the most likely reason why those kids are gambling so early in their lives is because they have someone on their lives that do so and has not explained to them that this is something that is bad for them at such an early age.

Yeah, and it's because kids will always be curious at their age and they should be given proper knowledge about it so they can't be curious anymore. It's kinda obvious that a kid is curious about it because there are some old people around them that play gambling, they will not get curious if they don't know what it is. It should be also taught in school and give proper discipline for those who will caught gambling even money isn't included because gambling will still be gambling.

Which is why this is such a bad idea, the governments are always trying these solutions in which they mandate people to do what they want when a simple campaign informing this is becoming a problem and that parents give a little bit more attention to their children and explain to them this is wrong for them at such an early age would be enough, with this they are affecting the gambling and the sport industry just when they need the revenue the most as the pandemic has been hard on all industries and they need the money to recover the losses they suffered during the last year.

For what I think they will not implement that ban if they didn't see it getting worse so I think that banning of betting ads is totally okay so that we cannot see a major spread out of gambling addiction on that country, but what good thing there is I think they didn't fully ban the gambling activities or the casino just the ads so the gamblers still happy despite of the action made by the government.

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Quote from: Silberman on September 15, 2021, 11:15:50 AM

That is an explanation however this is not the correct way to go about this, a society that prides itself on how they are so liberal cannot go around banning gambling ads, what is next? Banning alcohol ads because the young are drinking too much? The young are not going to stop doing it just because the governments does not allow advertising anymore, and the same is true with gambling, the young will do whatever they want and they will keep gambling even with this ban.

The continuous advertising by the gambling company is to keep up reminding their players, and on about new features they added and new bonuses and new promotion they have, there are occasional gamblers, these gamblers only play when there are new promotions or bonuses, without these promotion and giveaways advertising, there's no way to reach out for them.

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Quote from: finaleshot2016 on September 20, 2021, 08:55:28 AM

Quote from: Silberman on September 18, 2021, 10:38:49 AM

Quote from: sovie on September 15, 2021, 12:44:19 PM

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/concern-about-the-the-problem-of-online-underaged-gamblers-5359739

Quote from: Rruchi man on September 13, 2021, 08:24:21 AM

I did a little research as to the statistics of underaged gamblers for last year, and according to an article, "39% of 11-16-year olds have bet their own money" as at when published in October 2020.

https://www.roulettesites.org/blog/responsible-gambling/underage-gambling.php

Just like pornographic sites, I don't think online gambling sites and casino's can fully checkmate underaged users that sign up, and as a result, unfortunately i see the number of underaged gamblers worldwide to increase significantly by October this year.

Its a serious concern that underage kids are falling badly to gambling sector and its collective responsibility of Parents, Government and society to stop this from happening. I don't think its a bad move since mature gamblers will find a way to do it. By advertising gambling to young minds will increase chance of there inclusion in this area which is a bad thing.

The issue is that I am not so sure such a wide ban is a good idea, after all while that statistic is worrying we also need to consider the circumstances in which those kids are and that is causing them to gamble at such an early age, while this is just a supposition the most likely reason why those kids are gambling so early in their lives is because they have someone on their lives that do so and has not explained to them that this is something that is bad for them at such an early age.

Yeah, and it's because kids will always be curious at their age and they should be given proper knowledge about it so they can't be curious anymore. It's kinda obvious that a kid is curious about it because there are some old people around them that play gambling, they will not get curious if they don't know what it is. It should be also taught in school and give proper discipline for those who will caught gambling even money isn't included because gambling will still be gambling.

Which is why this is such a bad idea, the governments are always trying these solutions in which they mandate people to do what they want when a simple campaign informing this is becoming a problem and that parents give a little bit more attention to their children and explain to them this is wrong for them at such an early age would be enough, with this they are affecting the gambling and the sport industry just when they need the revenue the most as the pandemic has been hard on all industries and they need the money to recover the losses they suffered during the last year.

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Quote from: Silberman on September 15, 2021, 11:15:50 AM

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I think Spain government has taken this drastic measure because it has seen a huge spike in gambling from young people of age 18-25 which is the future of the country being impacted by those ads and not being that effective in their society and work.Most teams in Spain are sponsored and has always been sponsored by such ventures,gambling ones and they will lose a good portion of their revenue.Spain has taken this measure because it is affecting its economy by taking a huge portion of the youth absorbed in gambling as I see no other explanation to be such aggressive in a new law.

That is an explanation however this is not the correct way to go about this, a society that prides itself on how they are so liberal cannot go around banning gambling ads, what is next? Banning alcohol ads because the young are drinking too much? The young are not going to stop doing it just because the governments does not allow advertising anymore, and the same is true with gambling, the young will do whatever they want and they will keep gambling even with this ban.

In my view the goverment is trying to prevent gambling adictions. The young have now the internet gabling that was not available before. The companies that run the sites add pretty much zero value to the Spanish economy and create many external negative impacts, namely impacting on the young´s minds. Gambling is for adults and I should add, only for responsible adults.

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Quote from: nurilham on September 20, 2021, 09:57:25 AM

Of course this will have an impact on a club where there is no sponsor or promoter in it. I can't understand why the spanish government is doing that when we know there are some clubs there that will certainly get the impact. even though if you look at gambling it's not that bad. even in most countries some people make gambling a job but there are still countries that forbid it. maybe with this new regulation there are positive and negative sides so you can't judge a thing. I think it will be a tough job.

Absolutely agree with your opinion. I think after this law enters into force, the authorities will conduct research on the impact of this law on society and on sports in general. If this law will not lead to a serious reduction in revenues in the field of sports, I think it will not be softened. Most likely this will happen since there are several sponsors from other sectors that will gladly agree to place their logos on the shirts of famous soccer clubs.

As it progress, the government will see the impact of it. If it's gaining good results based on their own view, the said regulation will stay. If it's not, there might be a restructuring or remodifying that will happen. There might be other ways that clubs are thinking right now. In the first place, Spain won't create such actions if no big reason/s after all. Their gambling industry is so big.

Let's see what will happen within a year or two. Adjustments will surely be made by those clubs to keep up on track.

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Quote from: paxmao on September 01, 2021, 03:30:54 PM

https://www.sportspromedia.com/news/la-liga-betting-shirt-sponsors-2020-21-season

The new law has knocked down strongly all the preferred advertising options for betting business. They cannot, for example, be on a teams shirt nor celebrities from sports are allowed to promote betting houses or platforms. Also, the adds in TV can only be run late at night. Needless to say that is a torpedo on the finances of several teams and may affect their ability to recruit and maintain the right players.

Teams directly affected:

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Alavés (Betway), Cádiz (Dafabet), Granada (Winamax), Levante (Betway), Real Betis (Betway), Sevilla (MarathonBet) and Valencia (Bwin).

It was going to happen at some point. First it starts with one team pushing the boundaries and accepting an advertiser with questionable credentials because they pay the most. Then it becomes "normal" and many other teams are targeted for sponsorship by casino operations. Same thing happened with cigarette advertisers in the past and caused them to be banned eventually. Junk food advertisers are banned in quite a few countries as well because it is a bad message to relay to a huge audience. These clubs should been reining in their spending anyway, it is absolutely ridiculous the ever higher amounts that is spent on these so-called wonder players.

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Quote from: nurilham on September 20, 2021, 09:57:25 AM

Of course this will have an impact on a club where there is no sponsor or promoter in it. I can't understand why the spanish government is doing that when we know there are some clubs there that will certainly get the impact. even though if you look at gambling it's not that bad. even in most countries some people make gambling a job but there are still countries that forbid it. maybe with this new regulation there are positive and negative sides so you can't judge a thing. I think it will be a tough job.

Absolutely agree with your opinion. I think after this law enters into force, the authorities will conduct research on the impact of this law on society and on sports in general. If this law will not lead to a serious reduction in revenues in the field of sports, I think it will not be softened. Most likely this will happen since there are several sponsors from other sectors that will gladly agree to place their logos on the shirts of famous soccer clubs.

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Quote from: nurilham on September 20, 2021, 09:57:25 AM

Of course this will have an impact on a club where there is no sponsor or promoter in it. I can't understand why the spanish government is doing that when we know there are some clubs there that will certainly get the impact. even though if you look at gambling it's not that bad. even in most countries some people make gambling a job but there are still countries that forbid it. maybe with this new regulation there are positive and negative sides so you can't judge a thing. I think it will be a tough job.

There is some different views about this news surely it's going to have serious impact on different clubs earning because many clubs are going with big deals and have good funds from them for advertising purpose, but suddenly authorities announces about this is unusual because just ban is never been going to have any positive way of anything they need to talk about this in society.

As Spain is one of developed and Liberal country in Europe they must start some debate and have all views before doing any strict policy like this because right now situation is not favoring their decision and this can bring some serious impact on their this platform.

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