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donator
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Spondoolies, Beam & DAGlabs
December 20, 2014, 10:05:39 PM
#52


Taken this second. So of the first 17 threads, 11 are review threads, 2 are other ST threads and 4 are other threads. This is the definition of spam.
Dogie, you do realize that people are playing with you ?
Instead of letting those threads sunk, you kept this spam thread alive.
Eventually, if you'll continue to post here and people will continue to bump those threads, Con will be forced to lock them.

I suggest no more posting here and no more artificial bumps.
(disclaimer: we don't initiate those bumps)

Guy
legendary
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dogiecoin.com
December 20, 2014, 09:54:17 PM
#51
I think Spondoolies did somewhat cause the spam by giving away so many of their miners under the condition that a review was to be made for the device. I really don't see it causing that much harm though as each thread is not going to cause that much of a distraction and they will probably quickly die/fade away.

It probably would have been more appropriate for Spondoolies to have the reviews be made in the "main" thread and then they could quote the review in the OP or 2nd/3rd reserved page

Consolidation into a single thread (SPT had a couple to choose from) would have been the smart and right thing to do.

If the other manufactures don't do it then ya it was completely harmless (unless you care about SPT spending money to advertise here and the forum not getting paid for it, which some do and some don't).  If all of a sudden other manufactures start to do it to compete it will detract from the readability of the Hardware forum IMO.

Which is why it needs to be stopped, now. It would be entirely unfair to allow this episode to continue and NOT let a further one by a different manufacturer continue.

There is also the issue that mod's that actively decide what is allowed and not are involved in this (and potentially future) giveaways. SS received a unit from the main giveaway and CK rightly from a cgminer perspective. At what point does it simply become a bribe in order to circumvent otherwise 'accepted' standards? [This is an entirely theoretical question, I'm not suggesting that's what happened here. But seriously, what if every admin was targeted in a giveaway, such that no one wants to actually stop the obvious spam?]
legendary
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Verified Bernie Bro - Feel The Bern!
December 20, 2014, 09:51:28 PM
#50
10 posts != spam...  Roll Eyes then again i did get a free miner

Dude there's like 15 or so SPT threads in Hardware ATM.  If all the others do it because it's allowed it's could get pretty gross in the Hardware section
legendary
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Hello!
December 20, 2014, 09:38:20 PM
#49
10 posts != spam...  Roll Eyes then again i did get a free miner
hero member
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December 20, 2014, 09:35:41 PM
#48
I think Spondoolies did somewhat cause the spam by giving away so many of their miners under the condition that a review was to be made for the device. I really don't see it causing that much harm though as each thread is not going to cause that much of a distraction and they will probably quickly die/fade away.

It probably would have been more appropriate for Spondoolies to have the reviews be made in the "main" thread and then they could quote the review in the OP or 2nd/3rd reserved page

Consolidation into a single thread (SPT had a couple to choose from) would have been the smart and right thing to do.

If the other manufactures don't do it then ya it was completely harmless (unless you care about SPT spending money to advertise here and the forum not getting paid for it, which some do and some don't).  If all of a sudden other manufactures start to do it to compete it will detract from the readability of the Hardware forum IMO.
Manufacturers could potentially start signature campaigns which the forum does not receive proceeds from either. I think the market should regulate this kind of behavior as this does kind of make them look bad, as it is no secret they gave away free miners.

IMO Spondoolies should ask the OP of each of the threads to lock their respective threads, quote and/or reference the review in their thread so people can get several independent perspectives as to their miner's performance.   
legendary
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Verified Bernie Bro - Feel The Bern!
December 20, 2014, 09:29:20 PM
#47
I think Spondoolies did somewhat cause the spam by giving away so many of their miners under the condition that a review was to be made for the device. I really don't see it causing that much harm though as each thread is not going to cause that much of a distraction and they will probably quickly die/fade away.

It probably would have been more appropriate for Spondoolies to have the reviews be made in the "main" thread and then they could quote the review in the OP or 2nd/3rd reserved page

Consolidation into a single thread (SPT had a couple to choose from) would have been the smart and right thing to do.

If the other manufactures don't do it then ya it was completely harmless (unless you care about SPT spending money to advertise here and the forum not getting paid for it, which some do and some don't).  If all of a sudden other manufactures start to do it to compete it will detract from the readability of the Hardware forum IMO.
legendary
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Verified Bernie Bro - Feel The Bern!
December 20, 2014, 09:23:28 PM
#46
So Hardware was flooded for 3-4 days. It's not such a big deal.

As of this post, 7/10 review threads, +the SP20 unofficial thread, + the spondoolies thread are all active on the front page. In part, because you are being active in each and all of them.

I'll say it again, does anyone have an objection to Bitmain paying for 50 review threads? Seems not.
My involvement is a short courtesy thank you for the reviewer.
Be patient and most of the threads will sunk soon.
I did reply that I'll be happy to see 10 different reviews of a new BMT product.

I really don't understand all the negative attitude towards our legendaries review party. It's fun and harmless.

I agree that in the span of things it is harmless. In a week the majority of the review threads will be on the second or third page and we all know almost nobody looks past the first page. So i don't think people need to get as worked up about it as they have been.

If they allow this once they have to allow it again...  

I would like to officially ask any manufacture who decides to advertise here this way to consider me for the list!!!  Tongue

I really thought conmans solution was pretty reasonable LOL.  It allowed for everyone to get basically what they wanted.

SPT got the advertising they paid for and according to them they will sink into oblivion any ways (there is still multiple active SPT threads and links to the reviews can be posted in lots of places for future reference)
Legendaries got sweet toys
Forum gets to set a precedent saying something like, "this is cool and peps had some fun but hey we can't let every one do this so ya we're gonna lock em down after they run their course" and "no more spammy advertising we don't get a cut/control of...".

And of course if the forum admin and mods don't agree and they think it's perfectly fine than like I said, can I go on the next list from any manufacture please!
hero member
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December 20, 2014, 09:11:11 PM
#45
I think Spondoolies did somewhat cause the spam by giving away so many of their miners under the condition that a review was to be made for the device. I really don't see it causing that much harm though as each thread is not going to cause that much of a distraction and they will probably quickly die/fade away.

It probably would have been more appropriate for Spondoolies to have the reviews be made in the "main" thread and then they could quote the review in the OP or 2nd/3rd reserved page
hero member
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Miner Setup And Reviews. WASP Rep.
December 20, 2014, 08:52:35 PM
#44
So Hardware was flooded for 3-4 days. It's not such a big deal.

As of this post, 7/10 review threads, +the SP20 unofficial thread, + the spondoolies thread are all active on the front page. In part, because you are being active in each and all of them.

I'll say it again, does anyone have an objection to Bitmain paying for 50 review threads? Seems not.
My involvement is a short courtesy thank you for the reviewer.
Be patient and most of the threads will sunk soon.
I did reply that I'll be happy to see 10 different reviews of a new BMT product.

I really don't understand all the negative attitude towards our legendaries review party. It's fun and harmless.

I agree that in the span of things it is harmless. In a week the majority of the review threads will be on the second or third page and we all know almost nobody looks past the first page. So i don't think people need to get as worked up about it as they have been.
legendary
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dogiecoin.com
December 20, 2014, 08:13:46 PM
#43
So Hardware was flooded for 3-4 days. It's not such a big deal.

As of this post, 7/10 review threads, +the SP20 unofficial thread, + the spondoolies thread are all active on the front page. In part, because you are being active in each and all of them.

I'll say it again, does anyone have an objection to Bitmain paying for 50 review threads? Seems not.
My involvement is a short courtesy thank you for the reviewer.
Be patient and most of the threads will sunk soon.
I did reply that I'll be happy to see 10 different reviews of a new BMT product.

I really don't understand all the negative attitude towards our legendaries review party. It's fun and harmless.

Why does bitmain only get 10, what if they wanted to do 50?

Is it also OK for any manufacture to do as many review threads as they like?

If it's all harmless fun and they will sink away in a few days what is so bad about having them all together?  You might actually get a single review thread to stay on the front page a lot longer with everyone circle jerking in it.

To be honest I think SPT is the best manufacture to date (the company is very proffesional and their products are reportedly fantastic), if this was Bitmain, AM or ANY other vendor I would have exactly the same problem with it.

That's what I mean, its "all fun and games" to the issuing company, who is sitting there making money while others refrain. When others choose to fight back, then its no longer 'fun'. And they will and can and rightly should if the moderation allows things like this to go on.
legendary
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Verified Bernie Bro - Feel The Bern!
December 20, 2014, 06:12:40 PM
#42
So Hardware was flooded for 3-4 days. It's not such a big deal.

As of this post, 7/10 review threads, +the SP20 unofficial thread, + the spondoolies thread are all active on the front page. In part, because you are being active in each and all of them.

I'll say it again, does anyone have an objection to Bitmain paying for 50 review threads? Seems not.
My involvement is a short courtesy thank you for the reviewer.
Be patient and most of the threads will sunk soon.
I did reply that I'll be happy to see 10 different reviews of a new BMT product.

I really don't understand all the negative attitude towards our legendaries review party. It's fun and harmless.

Why does bitmain only get 10, what if they wanted to do 50?

Is it also OK for any manufacture to do as many review threads as they like?

If it's all harmless fun and they will sink away in a few days what is so bad about having them all together?  You might actually get a single review thread to stay on the front page a lot longer with everyone circle jerking in it.

To be honest I think SPT is the best manufacture to date (the company is very proffesional and their products are reportedly fantastic), if this was Bitmain, AM or ANY other vendor I would have exactly the same problem with it.
legendary
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December 20, 2014, 06:10:14 PM
#41
I love it.  I'm so tired of seeing the thread board clogged with Bitmain,- I flashed my firmware and bricked my S-?, it's not SPTech's fault Bitmain has missed the their release date for the S-5 or that would be dominating the board instead.
hero member
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December 20, 2014, 06:03:25 PM
#40
from SPTECH Grin
legendary
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December 20, 2014, 05:58:23 PM
#39
Ya missed one Dogie! The last post in the Groupbuy child thread is......
legendary
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dogiecoin.com
December 20, 2014, 05:53:11 PM
#38


Taken this second. So of the first 17 threads, 11 are review threads, 2 are other ST threads and 4 are other threads. This is the definition of spam.
donator
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Spondoolies, Beam & DAGlabs
December 20, 2014, 03:11:27 PM
#37
So Hardware was flooded for 3-4 days. It's not such a big deal.

As of this post, 7/10 review threads, +the SP20 unofficial thread, + the spondoolies thread are all active on the front page. In part, because you are being active in each and all of them.

I'll say it again, does anyone have an objection to Bitmain paying for 50 review threads? Seems not.
My involvement is a short courtesy thank you for the reviewer.
Be patient and most of the threads will sunk soon.
I did reply that I'll be happy to see 10 different reviews of a new BMT product.

I really don't understand all the negative attitude towards our legendaries review party. It's fun and harmless.
legendary
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Welcome to the SaltySpitoon, how Tough are ya?
December 20, 2014, 02:17:25 PM
#36
So Hardware was flooded for 3-4 days. It's not such a big deal.

As of this post, 7/10 review threads, +the SP20 unofficial thread, + the spondoolies thread are all active on the front page. In part, because you are being active in each and all of them.

I'll say it again, does anyone have an objection to Bitmain paying for 50 review threads? Seems not.

7 of the Legendary reviews are on the 2nd/3rd page. It seems that the unofficial review and support threads are staying bumped though.
legendary
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dogiecoin.com
December 20, 2014, 02:09:50 PM
#35
So Hardware was flooded for 3-4 days. It's not such a big deal.

As of this post, 7/10 review threads, +the SP20 unofficial thread, + the spondoolies thread are all active on the front page. In part, because you are being active in each and all of them.

I'll say it again, does anyone have an objection to Bitmain paying for 50 review threads? Seems not.
legendary
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Welcome to the SaltySpitoon, how Tough are ya?
December 20, 2014, 02:08:34 PM
#34
The problem with company specific boards, is Asic producers are being created and disappearing every other day. Half of the companies that promise to produce Asics just kind of don't. Not only would it be a big time waster for Theymos to constantly be adding specific manufacturer boards, but this discussion will inevitably end with someone suggesting that there is a Asic producer vetting procedure, which would be unfair to startup companies (the ones that aren't scammers) and that would give some sort of Forum based bias towards those that are "vetted" then if one of those companies runs off with people's money, people will be complaining. As much as you might be surprised, moderators don't really like big blowouts in the Meta section.

When I first saw the stipulations of the giveaway, that 10 separate threads would be created, I figured it might be an issue, but I won't get involved in anything relating to this as it would be unfair for me to do so, so the other moderators can decide what happens here. In my opinion anyway, since the majority of the reviews have a good deal of overlap, the most detailed review or reviews will stay afloat in the first page or pages, and the others that are already encapsulated into the more popular reviews will sink away.
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December 20, 2014, 03:31:11 AM
#33
I thought your issue here was that Spondoolies-Tech have a pile of great reviews which are active threads, but you have debunked that myth by stating that you are just annoyed that a company who produce a product are using valuable marketing methods to have their product recognised.

you clearly know nothing about marketing and your readiness to state the obvious is indeed astounding, if not a tad immaturely astounding.
dogie has several review threads, and IMHO - they should all be within manufacturer child boards. I'm not butt-hurt about the fact that dogie seems to get a free unit from every manufacturer and i'm not complaining about his review threads.

you sound like an angry child.


I did point this out in the thread before it started, that all should be posted in one place. There is already the ST thread, an unofficial SP20 thread and my SP20 thread. That's fine, its 2 1/2 for one product. But adding another 10.... no other product or company would be allowed to do that. And unfortunately ck has been put in a compromised position by receiving one (outside the competition). If he moves or consolidates them then he will seem ungrateful, if he doesn't he will seem biased.

Lets take for example the Antminer S3. There have likely been 6 figures of S3s sold into the world, yet they only have 2 1/2 threads [S3 tech, mine and for a bit Sushi's]. If Bitmain threw out 10 to the community to make 10 threads, they'd be immediately locked / moved / banned because its spam / pay to spam. Unless of course the SP20 is being used to set an admin precedence.... and which point now every other company is free to spam review threads. 10 'review' threads for each of Bitmain's products, that's no different right?

Ps this thread should head over to meta once its got a bit more of a soak here.

I, in turn, made a proposal in Meta that each manufacturer should have their own child boards.. so - if the SP-Tech reviews are getting such attention to be always at the top of the boards they are in, it's not Spondoolies fault, is it? it's clearly a fault of the forum structure.

note: i made this proposal before any of those reviews went up. I think Dogie is just a little too precious about his own review threads (which should be within manufacturer child boards in the first place)




It is Spondoolies fault it was in my view their primary goal when hosting the giveaway/competition. By giving away a unit to 10 different people that are seen as valued and knowledgable in this community they have got them advertising the miners and with 10 reviews they knew that when they asked everyone reviewer to post in the main sub forum of the biggest resource for bitcoin mining and information that they would clog up the front page. With the front page clogged any new person who comes and looks at miners will instantly see the Sp20 being praised by high rank people on the forum that are part of an "elite" group (hence the requirement for Legendary users only) and this will increase sales for the Sp20. Spondoolies giving away 10 miners to secure the backing of 10 high ranked members and more then likely securing 100's of Sp20 and future model sales is a smart tactic.

So don't be mistaken this is what spondoolies want as it is an ideal form of advertising for them and i think they have pulled it off well.


"clogged up"
 Cheesy

none of this forum is clogged up. Please point me to a forum board which takes too long to load, or fails in any way.

 

I think you miss understand my view point here. I think that what they have done is smart and i have no qualms with spondoolies having communicated and worked with them previously i think that they are a great company that they have great products. I was just pointing out one of the meanings behind the review.

In regards to you not saying i understand marketing or sales techniques i would say that is mildly preposterous if you do some research.

"Clogged up" is the figure of speech that i used in reference to the first page of the hardware board again i didn't say this was negative i said that it was smart marketing.

I am not "annoyed" about anything i am talking about the smart way they have marketed the SP20.

I would also like to point out my response in the previous post was only in reference to the marketing tactic of spondoolies and you saying "it's not Spondoolies fault, is it?" to point out that they would have had an understanding of the effect it would have on the section.
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