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Let me remind you that Potter assembled those recruitment teams; there is no way they would go for a player not on his A or B list, and BTW, I don't think there was any media hype for the Fofana, Badiashile, and Madueke deals; they were all secret scouts deals; the only deals we could argue received media attention were the Mudryk and J. Felix deals, and that was because some of the top clubs were interested in them. Chelsea was the only club to make direct contact with Benfica, and the deal received so much attention due to the price tag and the manner in which it was concluded between the clubs. Nothing has been done behind Potter's back, in my opinion.

You sound very much to have an insider feeding you with these information that are rather limited to the public, huh. Fofana was also a deal borne out of extreme desperation as well, hence the reason why Leicester were able to capatilse on Chelsea's desperation.
I wasn't referring to Wesley Fofana. I was talking about David Fofana, our new striker; I'm sure you didn't know that, but the D. Fofana, Santos, Badiashile, and Madueke deals were pure underground masterclass from our scouting department; nobody saw it coming. One amusing aspect of the current transfer is that every player has a release clause, which must be paid unless the club decides to reduce it. Gavi, Pedric, and Vini Jr all have €1b release clauses, which is the Laliga team's way of telling you to Fuck off. He's not for sale.

I'm not saying that those deals were done without Potter's consent of course, but that doesn't mean those were his solely his choices of players, I really don't know what coach is already scouting for players for a club that he doesn't even have any idea he was going to manage, that said I don't think a club trying to build for future players go for them in the more tensed January and more so in the final days and dying moments of the deadline, that could only suggest nothing but extreme desperation, and need for immediate result.
The only reason the deal progressed to deadline was because of Rui Costa. After our initial offer was turned down, the club moved on to other targets, with the intention of returning in the summer. However, the Twitter space we had with Todd Boehly and the new FFP (5-year maximum contract) rules changed everything, necessitating the signing of all of our top targets to 8-year contracts (with salary reductions for failure to qualify for the Champions League). The new years starts next summer to stop Todd Boehly madness Grin

But Arsenal got Trossard one of their best players this season without having to try too hard.

Yes, his contract was only about to expire in 5 months and he had no intention of renewing it. However, the Arsenal bid was too fantastic to let go for someone at his age and contract length.
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I'm going for a Fulham win, Arsenal win, Aston Villa win, and Brentford win this weekend. Liverpool have Wolves, so we'll probably lose against then, let's be honest. We haven't had the best of luck with them recently.

you are betting on some underdogs like Fulham, not sure if they will be able to pull a win tomorrow against Chelsea
looking at odds, Newcastle seem as good value, they were low on scoring in several last rounds, but West Ham should be a good opportunity to change their luck, and win

but, overall, there was a two week break, and transfer window as well, so some unexpected results should come this round

Fulham could win imho.  So betting on Fulham draw no bet at 3.70 or Fulham double chance win or draw at 2.29 are def value bets.  I'm really not sure why the line is so wide as Chelsea has a lot of injuries and Joao Felix can't play because of the red card.  Lol.  And I hear Reece James and Ben Chilwell are doubtful.  I think Fulham could at least get a goal in.

I have the match 1 - 1 in the pool.  

I was gonna give up but I thought fk it, I'll try to win a yellow cap every week and get me some free bets.  Lol.
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Wolves away at the weekend & I am not confident.

I actually am, Wolves are terrible. Offensively they are by far the worst team in the league, we played against them twice in the cup recently so we'll know what to expect.

This is one of these games between 2 teams playing horrible football in which individual quality simply has to make a difference. Wolves aren't playing with a lot of tempo so we'll probably be able to control the game easier than usual.

Odds of ~1.85 are huge on a LFC win, I plan to bet heavily on it.
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What a terrible season for Liverpool. Can't seem to sell the club, so we're stuck with owners that don't want us, we've had one of our worst seasons in recent memory, definitely our worst under Klopp. We've just had the chance to mitigate some of our problems by making a few signings, and we basically didn't do anything. Especially, to that midfield that needed reinforcement. Looks like we've accepted our fate this season. I guess we must be holding out for some big moves in the summer, right?

I'm going for a Fulham win, Arsenal win, Aston Villa win, and Brentford win this weekend. Liverpool have Wolves, so we'll probably lose against then, let's be honest. We haven't had the best of luck with them recently.

Liverpool and their fans are going through a difficult period. Disappointment has resulted from a lack of investment in the team, combined with a poor run of form. While it's understandable to hope for better in the summer transfer window, it's critical to stay focused on the present and support the team in the meantime. Good luck with your weekend predictions; it will be fascinating to see how the games unfold.

It’s tough but football goes in cycles. Looks like Arsenal might be starting theirs now. I just really hope we get new owners ASAP, we spend less (net) than most teams in the league on players. It’s just not sustainable to stay competitive at the top table of European football.

I’ve seen us win everything but I’ve seen the bad times too. A true fan stands by their team & I will always do that.

Wolves away at the weekend & I am not confident.
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I'm going for a Fulham win, Arsenal win, Aston Villa win, and Brentford win this weekend. Liverpool have Wolves, so we'll probably lose against then, let's be honest. We haven't had the best of luck with them recently.

you are betting on some underdogs like Fulham, not sure if they will be able to pull a win tomorrow against Chelsea
looking at odds, Newcastle seem as good value, they were low on scoring in several last rounds, but West Ham should be a good opportunity to change their luck, and win

but, overall, there was a two week break, and transfer window as well, so some unexpected results should come this round
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What a terrible season for Liverpool. Can't seem to sell the club, so we're stuck with owners that don't want us, we've had one of our worst seasons in recent memory, definitely our worst under Klopp. We've just had the chance to mitigate some of our problems by making a few signings, and we basically didn't do anything. Especially, to that midfield that needed reinforcement. Looks like we've accepted our fate this season. I guess we must be holding out for some big moves in the summer, right?

I'm going for a Fulham win, Arsenal win, Aston Villa win, and Brentford win this weekend. Liverpool have Wolves, so we'll probably lose against then, let's be honest. We haven't had the best of luck with them recently.

Liverpool and their fans are going through a difficult period. Disappointment has resulted from a lack of investment in the team, combined with a poor run of form. While it's understandable to hope for better in the summer transfer window, it's critical to stay focused on the present and support the team in the meantime. Good luck with your weekend predictions; it will be fascinating to see how the games unfold.
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What a terrible season for Liverpool. Can't seem to sell the club, so we're stuck with owners that don't want us, we've had one of our worst seasons in recent memory, definitely our worst under Klopp. We've just had the chance to mitigate some of our problems by making a few signings, and we basically didn't do anything. Especially, to that midfield that needed reinforcement. Looks like we've accepted our fate this season. I guess we must be holding out for some big moves in the summer, right?

I'm going for a Fulham win, Arsenal win, Aston Villa win, and Brentford win this weekend. Liverpool have Wolves, so we'll probably lose against then, let's be honest. We haven't had the best of luck with them recently.
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Let me remind you that Potter assembled those recruitment teams; there is no way they would go for a player not on his A or B list, and BTW, I don't think there was any media hype for the Fofana, Badiashile, and Madueke deals; they were all secret scouts deals; the only deals we could argue received media attention were the Mudryk and J. Felix deals, and that was because some of the top clubs were interested in them. Chelsea was the only club to make direct contact with Benfica, and the deal received so much attention due to the price tag and the manner in which it was concluded between the clubs. Nothing has been done behind Potter's back, in my opinion.

You sound very much to have an insider feeding you with these information that are rather limited to the public, huh. Fofana was also a deal borne out of extreme desperation as well, hence the reason why Leicester were able to capatilse on Chelsea's desperation.

I'm not saying that those deals were done without Potter's consent of course, but that doesn't mean those were his solely his choices of players, I really don't know what coach is already scouting for players for a club that he doesn't even have any idea he was going to manage, that said I don't think a club trying to build for future players go for them in the more tensed January and more so in the final days and dying moments of the deadline, that could only suggest nothing but extreme desperation, and need for immediate result. The obvious fact I feel right now is that if Chelsea season still end being up worse (let's say failure to make the UCL and Europa League as things currently stand), Potter might not even get to be in-charge come next season.

Brighton is not our academy; they are a serious club that is doing well for itself, so don't expect Potter to get any player he wants from the team simply because he was their formal coach; he wanted Moises, but the club refused to sell. ETH attempted the same thing with Ajax, but we all saw how that turned out.

But Arsenal got Trossard one of their best players this season without having to try too hard.
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The problem isn't about how much time Potter needs, I've always been an advocate of the fact that these coaches needs time to build a team of their choice, but neither of Chelsea signings so far seemed to have been solely based off on Potter's decision or recommendation to be quite honest, I believe that most of these signings have been literally due to just hype, more of a panic buying and nothing more than a purchase influenced by scouts and a few board members votes or something of such, because I really don't think Potter suggested to the club that none of the host of talents they've got would not fit in to his plans/styles and if it were to be him calling the shot, you would expect a couple of bids for some Brighton player, at least that squad have the most impact on why Potter was regarded very highly and why he got the job to begin with.
Let me remind you that Potter assembled those recruitment teams; there is no way they would go for a player not on his A or B list, and BTW, I don't think there was any media hype for the Fofana, Badiashile, and Madueke deals; they were all secret scouts deals; the only deals we could argue received media attention were the Mudryk and J. Felix deals, and that was because some of the top clubs were interested in them. Chelsea was the only club to make direct contact with Benfica, and the deal received so much attention due to the price tag and the manner in which it was concluded between the clubs. Nothing has been done behind Potter's back, in my opinion.

Brighton is not our academy; they are a serious club that is doing well for itself, so don't expect Potter to get any player he wants from the team simply because he was their formal coach; he wanted Moises, but the club refused to sell. ETH attempted the same thing with Ajax, but we all saw how that turned out.

I agree with darxiami points, players you bought are players for the future and limited immediate impact and I have a feeling Boehly doesn't understand that and will expect results at latest next season. Potter needs time but he will not get time after Chelsea spent this much, now he needs results soon.
This season is already over; our main goal now is to qualify for one of the UEFA competitions and focus on next season. Nkunku, Lukaku, and Gusto will all join the team in June. The only player who could force us back into the market is Felix; if he impresses the coach, the club will almost certainly pay his release clause. Potter has a large squad to manage. Haha
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With Jorginho leaving for Arsenal, we should have 4 slots open. Sure, Maueke will be dropped, but we need Badiashile on the team because he's been the backbone of our defense since his debut..
Doesn't work like that, you can only register 3 new players in CL in this slot. Even if you lost 5 players you could only add 3 new ones. Chelsea has 24 registered players at the moment. Jorginho frees one spot and they need to drop one of the players I mentioned before to even have space for that 3 players. Max you can have for CL is 25.

I agree with darxiami points, players you bought are players for the future and limited immediate impact and I have a feeling Boehly doesn't understand that and will expect results at latest next season. Potter needs time but he will not get time after Chelsea spent this much, now he needs results soon.

I think that Chelsea after spending this much should realize that the impact can only be felt the next season or during the end stages of this one as a minimum,new players need time to "synchronize" with the team and as such Potter cannot do much in this context.I know that Chelsea have had bad results but changing often the manager is a solution that 99.99% of the time does not work so for Chelsea management is better to call it a day for this season and grant Potter all the time needed for him to bring result during next season.
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With Jorginho leaving for Arsenal, we should have 4 slots open. Sure, Maueke will be dropped, but we need Badiashile on the team because he's been the backbone of our defense since his debut..
Doesn't work like that, you can only register 3 new players in CL in this slot. Even if you lost 5 players you could only add 3 new ones. Chelsea has 24 registered players at the moment. Jorginho frees one spot and they need to drop one of the players I mentioned before to even have space for that 3 players. Max you can have for CL is 25.

I agree with darxiami points, players you bought are players for the future and limited immediate impact and I have a feeling Boehly doesn't understand that and will expect results at latest next season. Potter needs time but he will not get time after Chelsea spent this much, now he needs results soon.
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took Klopp 3+yrs to dust off and rebuild Liverpool, and Roberto Manchini did the same for Manchester City. Potter needs our patience.

The problem isn't about how much time Potter needs, I've always been an advocate of the fact that these coaches needs time to build a team of their choice, but neither of Chelsea signings so far seemed to have been solely based off on Potter's decision or recommendation to be quite honest, I believe that most of these signings have been literally due to just hype, more of a panic buying and nothing more than a purchase influenced by scouts and a few board members votes or something of such, because I really don't think Potter suggested to the club that none of the host of talents they've got would not fit in to his plans/styles and if it were to be him calling the shot, you would expect a couple of bids for some Brighton player, at least that squad have the most impact on why Potter was regarded very highly and why he got the job to begin with.

All I see is a potential post Neymar-esque Barcelona team for Chelsea right now, and the first reference would always be towards the amount spent so far.
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Came in here to comment but I see it is all out there already heh.

You know, I thought I had seen it all. And I thought with all the rules in place, with all the punishments dealt out, with all the outcry and lessons learnt, we would not see fantasy manager anymore.

How naive of me -)

Wonder which other clubs will now get infected. Newcastle? Everton?.... Liverpool?
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@Darxiomi Please give us a break. We're done buying old proven players who got us to where we are now; instead, we're putting together a team of young players for the next 7-8 years.
Hahahaha, yes in this one you have plenty of reason, i dont know why and how Chelsea cant wake up with some good players, but well its not an easy way when you fall.

Look at Liverpool ton of years in sorrow to again fight in top places, Man utd 10 years trying to find again the spirit, Arsenal.... another 10/15 years, so.... take a look to the long way.
We have the resources to always stay at the top, and having been the most successful English team for some time now, we feel pressure to go a season without competing for a trophy, we are known to buy players for quick success but now the new owners are thinking about a long term structure with Potter, it may take some time to get to where we want to be now, but we will get there eventually.

took Klopp 3+yrs to dust off and rebuild Liverpool, and Roberto Manchini did the same for Manchester City. Potter needs our patience.
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@Darxiomi Please give us a break. We're done buying old proven players who got us to where we are now; instead, we're putting together a team of young players for the next 7-8 years.

Hahahaha, yes in this one you have plenty of reason, i dont know why and how Chelsea cant wake up with some good players, but well its not an easy way when you fall.

Look at Liverpool ton of years in sorrow to again fight in top places, Man utd 10 years trying to find again the spirit, Arsenal.... another 10/15 years, so.... take a look to the long way.
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And you buy a player who CANT play UCL the only tournament when you have a little chance in this season? No words.
we bought then to prepare for next season, this season is already gone and BTW we can still register 3 players for our remaining UCL games  Cool
It was a rule until 2018/19 season that you can't register players for Champions League if they were already registered for another club. I think darxiomi thought about this rule when he wrote this. So Chelsea can register Fernadez, Murdryk and Felix for their 3 players but they will have to drop Ziyech or maybe injured Pulisic/Fofana to make space. That also means that they will not be able to register other newcomings such as Badiashile and Madueke.
The same thing happened with loan players a while back when they weren't allowed to play against their primary club, and I'm sure Darxiomi didn't realize we now have new rules that allow players to represent more than one team in all UEFA competitions.

With Jorginho leaving for Arsenal, we should have 4 slots open. Sure, Maueke will be dropped, but we need Badiashile on the team because he's been the backbone of our defense since his debut..

@Darxiomi Please give us a break. We're done buying old proven players who got us to where we are now; instead, we're putting together a team of young players for the next 7-8 years.
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Yes, i was talking about that rule i didnt know that have changed.

Igebotz you are talking like a fan so you dont see the thinks clear, and also i see you follow so much  the press and market manipulation, they are B or sub A players until they prove otherwise.

Lets recap the names:

- Wesley Fofana, who is him? in which big team he played? what tournament he wins? 000000000000. They can be a gem, yes maybe only time can show this. But for the press a mighty player.... yeahhhhh fighting relegation with Leicester.....

- Badiashile, what he win? what he make? another promises.

- Mudryk, the same, and this boy i see him in a lot of match with Shaktar and Ukraine, and he took al the bad decissions for end the plays. If he doesnt learn somethings he is going to home more early than later.

- Joao Felix..... no words a man called to be the next CR and was a complete failure under pressure in ATM.

- Madueke? Again the same how many big matches he play? against who? yes the answer its 0 again.

And the list can go on, you need key players and a few youngers not a lot of youngers.


All this players hasnt feel the real pressure on his shoulder, they arent proved in combat. Only Joao Felix and until now was a disaster.

Enzo Fernandez yes its an extraordinary player and prove to have the balls to fight for big thinks.
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And you buy a player who CANT play UCL the only tournament when you have a little chance in this season? No words.
we bought then to prepare for next season, this season is already gone and BTW we can still register 3 players for our remaining UCL games  Cool
It was a rule until 2018/19 season that you can't register players for Champions League if they were already registered for another club. I think darxiomi thought about this rule when he wrote this. So Chelsea can register Fernadez, Murdryk and Felix for their 3 players but they will have to drop Ziyech or maybe injured Pulisic/Fofana to make space. That also means that they will not be able to register other newcomings such as Badiashile and Madueke.
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Mmm im not so sure of that.... Chelsea its so up in the boat of the "new gen gems" but most of them are not prove anything, and anothers are B players not a TOP TOP. SO this can ended really well if all goes like planing or go to a complete failure.
You cannot classify the players we signed as B players because they were already first team players and not bench warmers in their formal teams and have proven success in their local league and UEFA competitions. They might struggle to adapt over time if the new system is not suited to them, but I don't see them becoming a total failure.

The Ferndadez transfer..... ridiculous ammount like all the transfer in this "new" football, so Fernandez its more expensive than a CR7 in his prime..... come on, and before you say anything im Argentinian an im happy for him but the reality its only one, we need to stop with all this shit, also with that pantomime to pay this high transfers fee who point Trofo.
Wake up, man! It's not 2009 anymore; everything is absurdly expensive right now. BTW, Ronaldo's transfer fee from Manchester United to Real Madrid set a world record; it took Bale to break it when he transferred from Tottenham to Madrid. If unproven players like Antony, Lukaku, and J. Grelish were purchased for €100m, then Enzo, the youngest player in the world at the moment is worth €120m in today's irrational market. BTW it was his release clause you either pay or let him be.

And you buy a player who CANT play UCL the only tournament when you have a little chance in this season? No words.
we bought then to prepare for next season, this season is already gone and BTW we can still register 3 players for our remaining UCL games  Cool

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The only full win i see its....... yes the player and River Plate that they stayed with  the 30% of a future transfer.... so they pocket 40 millions euro.
we don't care about what you see, we got our players lol.
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Chelsea also bought Fernandez for record breaking fee. Of course they can't do that do to financial fair play but no problems. They hired a company that will pay Benfica money immediately and they will pay out that company on a schedule that is ok with financial fair play. This is getting ridiculous.
People thought Todd Boehly was joking when he fired Cech and Marina and hired a Director of Business. He assembled the best recruitment team, hacked the FFP system, got players worth over €600 million, paid less than €120 million upfront, and spread the rest over 7-8 years installments.

Mmm im not so sure of that.... Chelsea its so up in the boat of the "new gen gems" but most of them are not prove anything, and anothers are B players not a TOP TOP. SO this can ended really well if all goes like planing or go to a complete failure.

The Ferndadez transfer..... ridiculous ammount like all the transfer in this "new" football, so Fernandez its more expensive than a CR7 in his prime..... come on, and before you say anything im Argentinian an im happy for him but the reality its only one, we need to stop with all this shit, also with that pantomime to pay this high transfers fee who point Trofo.

And you buy a player who CANT play UCL the only tournament when you have a little chance in this season? No words.

The only full win i see its....... yes the player and River Plate that they stayed with  the 30% of a future transfer.... so they pocket 40 millions euro.
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