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Even if they wanted to buy 10 first-team players, the possibility of them successfully getting top players at the peak of their careers, is highly impossible. Which top player will want to play for a team that hardly find themselves in the top half of the table, talk more of competing for the top 4/6 spots of the league or go as far as winning the tournament.

Manchester City transformation was quite possibly because they were already a top clubs but just lack funding and a managerial genius to transform the club into one of Europa finest. Newcastle still has a long way to go in achieving any Cinderella story that involves them coming out from no where and because a strong contender for the title.

@tokeweed

Being stuck indoors all day & not being able to see friends & colleagues is depressing to be honest. We all work all week & look forward to the football & a few beers at the weekend but all pubs & bars are closed & football is off atm.

I’d say currently is one of the lowest times I can remember for my mood.

Prolly cos they were just starting to build the club and know that they didn't have Ferran Soriano and Txiki Berigistain back then.  Two characters responsible for getting Pep in imo.

Anyway..  Anybody else starting to feel depressed?  Lol.

There's always loopholes and they're kept open for a reason. Take tax evasion by billionaires and their companies. Businesses like Apple and Google pay little tax in most countries they operate in, or no where the amount they should do as they exploit loopholes in various ways. Governments could close the loopholes if they wanted but they don't probably because they get their parties financed by the people who want them kept open. There's a lot of people in countries like Russia and Arabia who have businesses that are essentially just printing money. They have so much money spending hundreds of millions is like a just doing a 'big shop' for them so buying football clubs is nothing to a billionaire and they might as well diversify their money as much as possible in legitimate businesses and football is going nowhere even with the lockdown. We also probably don't know the true wealth of a lot of these people. On paper they might be worth x amount of billions but behind the scenes they could be worth much more. Take Putin for example. He claims to have little money officially but there's rumours he might in fact be one of if not the richest man on the planet: https://www.businessinsider.com/how-putin-spends-his-mysterious-fortune-2017-6?r=US&IR=T

He probably isn't and I'm sure it'll be of the oil barons in the Arab world but I expect many more clubs to be bought in the future  by these people and they're just probably waiting for their chance to swoop them up. Most people don't want to let go of the clubs they own but Newcastle seems to have been a liability and nothing but a stress for Mike Ashley and the fans also hate him. Can't see why they'll like the new owners much more either, especially if they don't start spending cash, but as people have said it's not as easy as it used to be so I'm sure they'll get frustrated pretty quickly if nothing changes.

The issue Newcastle will have is star players won’t want to go there.....yet. When Man City first had money obviously they were a crap team so they had to pay older players high wages to try & get better to attract tye interest of better players. I remember Man City got Adebayor & Bellamy when they first got taken over.

I read somewhere that the new Newcastle boss has 10x more money than the Man City boss.

I agree with LFC_Bitcoin in thinking there's not a way to buy 10 first-team players anymore, but investing in infrastructure and academy is not a part of FFP and Newcastle can heavily invest there immediately.
We still need to see how strict will the FFP rules be after the coronavirus outbreak because most clubs will not be able to abide by them for this/next season.

I still hope City gets banned from Europe and FFP remains a factor but there will be pressure to remove it for a period of time or at least to lessen its strictness. I see a chance for rich clubs to take advantage of that.

I think that Newcastle is bigger club now than City was back in 2008. Yes, their results is poor in last 10-15 years, but it's club with good history and quite many loyal fans, even outside England. And it's not true that they don't make a lot miney. They've been in TOP 20 of biggest revenue making clubs in the world
Though, I doubt that they can achieve something amazing with new investments. Other top clubs are very rich too and EPL is just too competetive. Fighting for 5-6 is best what they can achieve in next years with big investments.

Newcastle has a tradition and some potential for sure. If they find proper management in a few years they can be in "rich" club.
For example, I remember when Manchester United buys Park Ji-Sun, South Korean footballer, their popularity skyrocketed in Asia. This helped them a lot in their marketing potential and making a profit in this market. is in a similar situation now is Liverpool with Salah and Mane even if Africa a little poorer market.

People seem to think Newcastle will be like Man City spending billions on their squad. They won’t be able to, the City takeover was in 2008 before FFP, Newcastle don’t make a lot of money as they’re not a well supported club outside of Newcastle. Sure they’ll be better than they are now but they’re not going to compete at the top of the table any time soon.

I've stopped fooling myself a long time ago when it comes to financial due diligence. Too many legal shortcomings and loopholes, big money wants in (world's biggest and most valuable company, even with $10 per barrel oil), lawyers do what needs to be done. Like you said, it just needs to say oil.

@examplens can't speak about Russia but I think the oil-producing gulf nations do want this for recognition and reputation-building, but it's definitely more about their future and reducing its reliance on oil.

And it's a simple model, already shown by the Scandinavians and West Europe. Invest the oil, diversify in overseas investments with your sovereign wealth fund, and do well. Problem is the Gulf nations are still embroiled in conflict abroad. They're doing all sorts of things now, want to be blockchain hubs, humanitarian hubs... you'd be surprised how much Gulf money props up UN organisations these days.

Strange they haven't really got into bed in a big way with crypto yet.

not quite like that, but maybe you are close. They people Arab or Russian buying football club because they want to be more recognizable and improve its international reputation. Nothing more. Foreign club owners which are primarily interested in money coming from a country with the real economy, market-based. (Read: USA, ManUTD, Liverpool...)
the difference is in where the first group earn a lot easier (for example, reduced to a minimum or without the cost of mining rent)


btw, what will be the first Newcastle investment?

It's probably easier for foreigners to buy clubs than it is for a UK resident because it will be much harder to check where all the money came from. Some countries are worse than others for either money laundering or accounting for where all the money came from. If you're a Russian or Saudi you probably just say oil and they check your books and that's good enough . The oil rich Arab nations are trying to branch out though because they know their wealth isn't going to last forever when the oil runs out so that's probably why they're buying football clubs. That's why places like Dubai are spending shit loads to try change their perception in the West and boost their tourism now so it becomes a popular spot as that's where their money will come from in the future.

Yeah, which is why I wonder if Newcastle could be another Arsenal or Ajax copy, make money, no need to necessarily win trophies except the occasional small cup;) Though oil princes who're also busy funding wars right now probably just want a legitimate channel for funneling money heh.

I used to play football with this guy a lot, and he used a "Hey girl, I play football for ABC club reserves" and then has "pics" to prove it. Sadly, it worked a lot cause he's just name some English sounding club that he knows the girl won't know.

I wonder if being a woman owner works as well?

I forgot to mention that money will be going to some charity or something humanitarian anyway and that makes it ok in my book. And now i remembered that the club is Borusia Monchengladbach, not sure if I spelled that correctly

Yeah, it does seem like at least 2-3 months.


I'd rather have nothing than fake noise. To be honest, I think not having crowds might add a little extra to the games. At least will make them memorable for that and a sign of the times. You can often here everything the players say which gives the game an extra dimension.


I'd like to see the odds on that. I could see them losing a game or two but I think they'll be fine.


Really? Not sure if it's a joke or not but would be kind of funny to see. Maybe clubs could make some extra money by covering the seats in huge banners that are sponsored. Might help cover for some of the lost ticket revenues.


Football clubs are rarely big money spinners for people, unless you can get one of the big cups that actually make a shit load of money Man United etc. For most owners it's just another thing to put on their business CV and stroke their own egos. Would be pretty cool to actually own a football club though. Would be a great chat up line as well. Hey girl, you heard of Chelsea football club? Well, I own them 

I’m OK with the fake crowd noises to try & create an atmosphere but I draw the line at charging people to have a cardboard cut out figure of themselves in their seat at the game, now that is weird.

Yeah, it's really not the same thing anymore these days, being a club owner just 20 years ago and being one now. I know it's unfair to some people, but when even all the billionaire owners from Asia and elsewhere come in for a foreign club, it's just another showpiece to their own personal trophy cabinet. I've seen myself the emails shared by a former Air Asia employee (whose CEO bought over QPR in THAT season when Aguero won the league for City.

It literally went something like: Everything went well this year. Except for that premier league investment heh heh.


Christ it does not feel like two months at all! I didn't watch that many more films (I sadly stopped reading a long time ago) but I have been putting a lot of time into job-hunting and updating my past work online. Paycuts started and I think it will only get worse.

Haven't bet for ages either. I think I stayed betting about 2/3 days after EPL stopped but not since.

Anything else you guys been picking up besides reading/watching?

Oh Canned laughter. Wow.

There is already one club that will let their supporters pay 10 bucks or something like that and upload their photo. Then the club will print out a real size cardboard cutout and fix it on the stands. Add those fake crowd noises and we will have a really strange atmosphere  

Just over month? Damn, it feels like there is 3-4 months without football. Sometimes I wake up in good mood, but then I realize that's just another day of f*cking quarantine.
I didn't started to watch more movies or read books, because I still struggling to find time for it - I still have to go to work. And I'm still trying to bet on football leagues that are still in action .
During weekends I'm just watching a lot of classic EPL, Champions league, LaLiga or World Cup games which brings me nostalgia. And sometimes I just watch random documentary on Youtube.

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Putting fake crowd noise in empty stadiums - it's such terrible idea. I hope they aren't going to implement this.

Whichever way we complete the season is not going to be ideal but we will see it completed. The fake atmosphere is weird but I wouldn’t be against it, I know for sure Napoli do that, their stadium is half full at times but still very (suspiciously) loud. Spurs got caught doing it a few seasons ago too & I think Man City have.

I don’t care, I just want to see 22 men in shorts kick a ball around a field again