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Quote from: slaman29 on March 30, 2024, 05:13:53 AM

Do I want to go safe and follow? Or trust my instinct and possibly win that difficult question, while playing safe on Alcaraz which I know also 100% you'll pick

It is a fine line to thread. You have to go against the odds but usually it is not worth going too much against the odds if you know what I mean

Taking odds of @3 rather @2 on a hunch is probably fine but going @6.5 instead of @1.1 like in Alcaraz case is a bit overdoing it. It is different when betting since it gets you much more if you win but in competitions like this you are bound to loose long time.

Maybe we will try to put some questions in the future that take odds into consideration. For instance H2H question, we give few teams and if you go for favorite it gives you 1 point and if you go for underdog it gives you 2 points.

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Quote from: slackovic on March 29, 2024, 05:25:02 AM

But I don't understand why would I risk a point by answering differently than what I think my opponent will answer. Surprises are always possible in sport but I never expect a surprise simply because they are rarer than expected outcome.

It's not risking a point, if you think you know better

For example the football Yes/No question, it's very good Cro2 uses it because it's not straightforward as the odds make it. Newcastle vs West Ham for example or Manchester United are the ones who win if you look at odds, so if I play against you, I know you pick them 100%

Do I want to go safe and follow? Or trust my instinct and possibly win that difficult question, while playing safe on Alcaraz which I know also 100% you'll pick

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Quote from: Harkorede on March 30, 2024, 01:46:12 AM

There is much more to Tennis than just what the ATP ranking suggest, there are some players that are a headache for certain players simply because of their strength.

Dimitrov definitely is no slouch when it comes to playing tennis at a top level, and he's a very good player with a very similar style to Roger Federer, he's even nicknamed Baby Fed for that reason. Alcaraz strength comes from being a very physical player, and very mobile, but still have a huge weakness especially with his service, he's never at an advantage even when serving, he barely gets any free point from serving against top opponents.

Dimitrov had all the answers to Alcaraz play in that game, he didn't need to be completely mobile to beat Alcaraz because, even when Alcaraz kept going for the baseline and far corner top spin shots, Dimitrov had the advantage due to his flawless one hand backhand spin, drop or winning shots ability.

This post is a great answer to my question on why would anyone go with a surprise result instead of a safe bet. I guess you really like tennis and follow it closely. I watch tennis only when there is a Davis Cup tournament and Croatia is playing. Otherwise, it's a boring sport to me.

Quote from: darbitmobilerecovery on March 29, 2024, 04:47:44 PM

This is more related to the type of person you are, and maybe you are confident in your selections, this is like in football some coaches make teir plans and plays without see how the other team plays, and others dont makes anything by himself they only try to stop the way the other team play, that coaches normally are fully defensive, and the other ones are more towards attacking.

For me like other said beofre, i put my selections by the way i think but in some cases i cover what the other guy is gonna put if im not 100% sure.

With this explanation I guess I know how I managed to win all rounds in the season one and now in season four I can't get a single win. I guess other teams really got to know my style of play, so they already know how I will answer even before I submit my answers. That's actually good to know because now I can make adjustments to my game

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Quote from: mv1986 on March 29, 2024, 05:33:46 PM

How the hell was Dimitrov able to beat Alcaraz? I checked the ATP ranking just now when I wrote this question and saw that he isn't that bad. I thought he crashed down all the way in the ranking in the last couple of years. Never heard that he won anything. But still around and good enough to eliminate Alcaraz.

There is much more to Tennis than just what the ATP ranking suggest, there are some players that are a headache for certain players simply because of their strength.

Dimitrov definitely is no slouch when it comes to playing tennis at a top level, and he's a very good player with a very similar style to Roger Federer, he's even nicknamed Baby Fed for that reason. Alcaraz strength comes from being a very physical player, and very mobile, but still have a huge weakness especially with his service, he's never at an advantage even when serving, he barely gets any free point from serving against top opponents.

Dimitrov had all the answers to Alcaraz play in that game, he didn't need to be completely mobile to beat Alcaraz because, even when Alcaraz kept going for the baseline and far corner top spin shots, Dimitrov had the advantage due to his flawless one hand backhand spin, drop or winning shots ability.

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Quote from: Trofo on March 29, 2024, 01:25:54 AM

Quote from: mv1986 on March 28, 2024, 06:24:09 PM

Yes the penalties are significant! It's obviously losing the chance to win 3 points and then getting -1, which is a spread of potential 4 points. You finished the season with 24 points including -1 and I finished the season with 23 points including -1. If I submitted (which was quite impossible for me that round), a win would have given me the 3rd rank. 8th and 3rd is a massive difference in the payout. But ok, it is still possible to play an ok season with one failed submission although I do think that there can be circumstances in life where someone just can't send it out. But we still need a fixed set of rules that apply to everyone equally. It's the only way forward.

We already mentioned once that there is a possibility to postpone game upfront if you know you are absolutely unable to submit. For instance you are going on surgery or something we can help you out but not if you are going on holiday and feel lazy to fill it out on mobile. It will never get into rules officially since people could abuse it but you guys can always contact us on individual basis.

Yes I remember there was something like that, but I was only referring to the rare case when somebody gets caught on the wrong foot by some completely unexpected event. But as I said, rules are rules and apart from the scenario you described where someone knows in advance, all other cases can't be handled as an exception as that would deteriorate the level playing field for everyone. Hence, the rules make sense and should stay in place as they are.

How the hell was Dimitrov able to beat Alcaraz? I checked the ATP ranking just now when I wrote this question and saw that he isn't that bad. I thought he crashed down all the way in the ranking in the last couple of years. Never heard that he won anything. But still around and good enough to eliminate Alcaraz.

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Quote from: slackovic on March 29, 2024, 05:25:02 AM

I am reading the discussion and I have to say that I have never thought about how my opponent will answer a question. I always go with how I feel the outcome of a game will be. Maybe it's because I'm not following sport that closely so I'm always going with a safe option. But I don't understand why would I risk a point by answering differently than what I think my opponent will answer. Surprises are always possible in sport but I never expect a surprise simply because they are rarer than expected outcome.

This is more related to the type of person you are, and maybe you are confident in your selections, this is like in football some coaches make teir plans and plays without see how the other team plays, and others dont makes anything by himself they only try to stop the way the other team play, that coaches normally are fully defensive, and the other ones are more towards attacking.

For me like other said beofre, i put my selections by the way i think but in some cases i cover what the other guy is gonna put if im not 100% sure.

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Quote from: CLS63 on March 29, 2024, 03:15:38 PM

On top of that while jayce's team are resting this week my team are going to be on the pitch exhausted after a difficult challenge against mitchr4.

Jayce asked me on monday wether his answers would count for the free bets because he is not playing against anyone so I told him that it will still count and yeah he said that he was going to submit. On Wednesday he told me that he filled in the answers but forgot to click submit because he had some urgent errands to rush on that moment after filling in the answers lol so yeah he wasnt really 'resting' I guess more like he forgot to click submit Tongue

Im actually glad that casperBGD has already withdrew from the tournament otherwise its going to cost Jayce 1 penalty points

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oh yeah, dont let Jayce know I told you guys this little secret

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I have guaranteed getting 3 points this week because of answering the tennis question better than my opponent as well. I'm going to challenge to win the 40 usd free bet and improve my goal difference score this week from now on. I'm going to play against the league leader jayce next week. On top of that while jayce's team are resting this week my team are going to be on the pitch exhausted after a difficult challenge against mitchr4.

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Quote from: Igebotz on March 28, 2024, 03:21:50 PM

@arallmuus playing against you is so stressful man- I get notifications every 30 minutes Grin

HAHA, you bet !

Anyway Southampton didnt win also its under 2.5 goals so another point for me and I double checked to make sure if I had win and yeah I won. Good round for the week, last question between us for tomorrow

. I hope to score another point for this, need that extra lead ahead because Im currently -3 SD

Quote from: slackovic on March 29, 2024, 05:25:02 AM

I am reading the discussion and I have to say that I have never thought about how my opponent will answer a question.

Well regarding this, its actually spot on if you skim through the answers randomly.

Some players would always go for the 'safest' options possible

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Quote from: B1g4udge on March 29, 2024, 09:23:15 AM

thanks to Draymond Green for help me in the GSW and Curry's question
what do you think is it possible? I think it is around 15-25% success

I don't know, perhaps I could be wrong, but I wouldn't consider the question over already the two games the Golden State Warriors have played so far are the toughest, while tonight they'll be up against an heavily flawed and defenseless Charlotte Hornets team, there is almost no better team to rack up points against that the Hornets right now, so you might want to keep an eye out for what Curry has in store, because you just never can tell.

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Quote from: Trofo on March 29, 2024, 08:55:37 AM

It is not just that, it is the odds. Let's go back to Alcaraz example, he was 1.10 to win against Dimitrov. Even though I believed Dimitrov is winning that I will never play that high odds in competition like this. You are playing against the bookie and whole field and even if you win you don't get the payout that should go with odds like that.

Simply not worth it. I rather picked Alcaraz here and played it safe in BSFL then backed Dimitrov to cover 4.5 handicap on ticket.

That may sound like a great way to combine BSFL and betting, but it sounds like mumbo jumbo to me Grin

Since I don't follow sport that closely like many of you, I have no idea when a favorit player could easily lose. But that's something I know it's my weakeness in this competition and I'm OK with ti. To be honest, I'm pretty surprised that I made it three seasons in a row in division 1 Grin

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what do you think is it possible? I think it is around 15-25% success

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Quote from: slackovic on March 29, 2024, 05:25:02 AM

I am reading the discussion and I have to say that I have never thought about how my opponent will answer a question. I always go with how I feel the outcome of a game will be. Maybe it's because I'm not following sport that closely so I'm always going with a safe option. But I don't understand why would I risk a point by answering differently than what I think my opponent will answer. Surprises are always possible in sport but I never expect a surprise simply because they are rarer than expected outcome.

It is not just that, it is the odds. Let's go back to Alcaraz example, he was 1.10 to win against Dimitrov. Even though I believed Dimitrov is winning that I will never play that high odds in competition like this. You are playing against the bookie and whole field and even if you win you don't get the payout that should go with odds like that.

Simply not worth it. I rather picked Alcaraz here and played it safe in BSFL then backed Dimitrov to cover 4.5 handicap on ticket.

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I am reading the discussion and I have to say that I have never thought about how my opponent will answer a question. I always go with how I feel the outcome of a game will be. Maybe it's because I'm not following sport that closely so I'm always going with a safe option. But I don't understand why would I risk a point by answering differently than what I think my opponent will answer. Surprises are always possible in sport but I never expect a surprise simply because they are rarer than expected outcome.

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Quote from: Harkorede on March 29, 2024, 12:53:48 AM

And there you go! Weren't you right after all ? I guess goin for an "Alcaraz - No" would have been a biggest difference maker for anyone that chose to go down that route, I just guess there wouldn't be many given the just concluded tournament. However, does that mean it is Sinners' title to lose now ? because I guess he should be the heavy favorite of the remaining participants.

Yeah, we both discussed it - shame that it's too big of a risk to take.
If I was safe in Division 1, maybe I would have - but then again when I tried to play it the 'safe' way at the end of last season I had the worst batch of results and ultimately got relegated.

It's just a game after all and going by the feeling is probably the right thing to do.

Not that it matters since I forfeited this round, but this was the first time in a while I thought about picking Alcaraz. How many times can this young guy afford to lose on these 'warmup' games before Grand Slams?

No use playing safe, but it's always pointless to take too big risks knowing your opponent is very sure to go the safe bet. The strategy is to draw on these things and pick the one different where you're confidently sure.

Don't take my advice tho I am winless in BSFL.

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Quote from: Harkorede on March 29, 2024, 12:53:48 AM

Quote from: Trofo on March 28, 2024, 01:58:48 AM

Same way with Alcaraz, I am actually thinking he will loose to Dinitrov but it just isn't worth it to risk and go for that answer when I know everyone will have Alcaraz to pass.

And there you go! Weren't you right after all ? I guess goin for an "Alcaraz - No" would have been a biggest difference maker for anyone that chose to go down that route, I just guess there wouldn't be many given the just concluded tournament. However, does that mean it is Sinners' title to lose now ? because I guess he should be the heavy favorite of the remaining participants.

Yeah, we both discussed it - shame that it's too big of a risk to take.
If I was safe in Division 1, maybe I would have - but then again when I tried to play it the 'safe' way at the end of last season I had the worst batch of results and ultimately got relegated.

It's just a game after all and going by the feeling is probably the right thing to do.

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Quote from: mv1986 on March 28, 2024, 06:24:09 PM

Yes the penalties are significant! It's obviously losing the chance to win 3 points and then getting -1, which is a spread of potential 4 points. You finished the season with 24 points including -1 and I finished the season with 23 points including -1. If I submitted (which was quite impossible for me that round), a win would have given me the 3rd rank. 8th and 3rd is a massive difference in the payout. But ok, it is still possible to play an ok season with one failed submission although I do think that there can be circumstances in life where someone just can't send it out. But we still need a fixed set of rules that apply to everyone equally. It's the only way forward.

We already mentioned once that there is a possibility to postpone game upfront if you know you are absolutely unable to submit. For instance you are going on surgery or something we can help you out but not if you are going on holiday and feel lazy to fill it out on mobile. It will never get into rules officially since people could abuse it but you guys can always contact us on individual basis.

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Quote from: Trofo on March 28, 2024, 01:58:48 AM

Same way with Alcaraz, I am actually thinking he will loose to Dinitrov but it just isn't worth it to risk and go for that answer when I know everyone will have Alcaraz to pass.

And there you go! Weren't you right after all ? I guess goin for an "Alcaraz - No" would have been a biggest difference maker for anyone that chose to go down that route, I just guess there wouldn't be many given the just concluded tournament. However, does that mean it is Sinners' title to lose now ? because I guess he should be the heavy favorite of the remaining participants.

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Quote from: Harkorede on March 28, 2024, 11:45:40 AM

I don’t know if I’m the only interested in catching Zverev vs Marozsan tennis match live, I’ve spoken about the young lad a couple of times, he’s an interesting player and I think he should be able to stuck around for a while especially if he’s able to rack up a couple of ATP points that would have not to needing to go through series of qualifiers to play even in an ATP 500 event.

Interested in the result as I needed that kid to win to beat darxiaomi. Too bad he lost -- he from your country or you just follow tennis closely? I now need Napoli to do their job Saturday afternoon, otherwise game over before Sunday.

No, we're not compatriots, He's from Hungary, If I'm not mistaken.

I would say perhaps I follow tennis a bit closely (thanks to BSFL), however he just happen to caught my attention some months back against a red hot Hubert Hurkacz and he put him on his toes all game long, and I've seen done that a couple of times after that, just that the qualifiers often eventually tell on these players during the main tour. I'll be on the lookout for him the rest of the season I'm sure especially with the season heading to Europe soon, he should be able to participate more.

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