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Tonight's game will decide your fate; I just need 1-2 goals to knock you out of the cup, and  bet your 2mBtc on Jackson to score two or more goals against Liverpool this weekend.

Ohh man, i dont come to read closely the thread for one day and we have so much drama.

Well i hope everything its fine and we can continue with our competition.

Yes Igebotz you have the win in your hands but the games seems far of us.

If you submit all on time and everything is incorrect and your opponent submits only 1 answer and it is correct, it would mean that he'd win 1-0, and get a negative point.
Not something we want to see ever happen and the chances are we won't. It will be impossible from next season anyway.


Will be from next season - if we did it now some players could make an argument that it's not fair that we switched it mid-season, and we agree with that.
All major rule changes will be seasonal.

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We are sorry that some things aren't set in stone, we knew the risks when we implemented lenient rules for this season.

Example - we're really close to losing DireWolfM14 from the competition. One more missed round and he's out, and again we have a shitty situation on our hands.
In that case, we can void all results or write it all as 3-0. If we void all, Rikafip and bullrun2020bro lose 1 negative point for late submission, if we write it as 3-0 across the league, they keep the negative point. Either way we go, there will be unhappy people again.
It's a really difficult terrain to navigate without stepping on some toes, we eventually have to step on some to avoid the rules having 7 pages. Even then, we'd still forget to put some things in there.

Let's close this now, we really remain open for suggestions. Just please do understand that we try to make it as fair and fun as possible for everybody.

Lol. I was not defending you, I was just starting obvious facts to favour both side. 

This is the most boring round for me, less question more gap in-between games. The two last game is taking forever.

Come on guys let's get back to topic. Thanks for defending us but not really necessary.

We are always open to criticism, competition isn't perfect and we make mistakes so feel free to question us. Just don't think we have an agenda against individual players, all our decisions are made towards what is more fair for whole competition. Sometimes an individual will profit from that and sometimes he will not, simple as that. Try to look at it as if you did not have a stake in a round and I belive all our decision are logical when viewed from such point.

And to think this would be an easy week for me since I am out of the cup 

oh shit now i get the full gist! thanks. sorry mv1986 for misunderstanding your point.....

The 3-0 goal is a general rule in FIFA AND PES; if you are leading your opponent by, say, 20-0 and he collects 5 red cards, the game automatically ends and you are only awarded a 3-0 win rather than a 20-0 win. In real life, if a team decides not to play, the opponent is given a 3-0 lead in the match. I believe the same rules apply here as well.

@mv1986
Your opponent submitting late is the same thing as walkover in football terms. In the real sense your opponent didn't turn up and you cant score 7-nil in an empty GOAL-post. Lol

Wow, what a drama with this competition. Personally I can't wait for the next season to start so that everyone who submits late will automatically lose that round 0-3. It will be easier for the Cro2 duo to do their job and it will hopefully make participants submit their answers on time. I still don't get it why is it so hard to submit answers on time when we get questions on Sunday afternoon and the deadline is on Satueday afternoon. That's 48 hour window and everyone in any timezone should have no problem to take 10 minutes of their time to submit the answers. I know that every man takes a shit (sorry for the language) for at least 10 minutes and that's enough time to take your mobile and submit the answers. You can even do it while working

Nah! He went about it wrong and his interpretation of the rules isn't correct either, but you also completely misinterpreted him, he was talking about goal difference, here In a scenario where his opponent submitted very late and by then about 9 of his opponents questions were invalid, so he was awarded a 3-0 win, but I guess the questions he got correctly were much more than, so he wanted the opponent only questions that counted should be valid against his owns answers, which would have earned him a 7-1 or 6-0 differential, If that helps you understand better.


@mv1986 I get your drift and you do have a point from an angle, but since we've never had an opposing scenario, we just would never know what the decision would have been, but what would you have clamored for if all the answers you submitted were wrong and the said opponent only valid question was correct, would you have agreed he should be awarded the win (@cryptofrka and @Trofo, what would have been the decision in that case, because I don't think we've been there before, and it's just a matter of time, if we keep having late submissions before we have one), and this has actually been discussed a couple of times already, there isn't a fair measure that favors everyone, I lost or drew a match a few rounds ago, when I could say the asked question should have been void and I would have been right but others too would have a point as to why the question should remain valid, but to be honest, any decision made about cases like this as it negatively affects one person, it positively affects the other.

If they have to count all your correct answers result because an opponent who submitted late have one valid question, and give you the entire points difference, then they would always need wait in subsequent scenarios, like when you had all questions wrong and let's say the opponent submitted late and none of his answers were valid, then such situation should be declared a draw ?

My final opinion on the situation is that, there's no common ground that would favor every participant, hence the need why both Trofo and Cryptofrka always had to make decision on certain instances, but these calls are never easy one to call, and I don't remember them calling one to directly favor either of them, so I believe it is very unfair to say those words questioning their integrity about a decision, they had to skip participating in the first round, solely because of opinions such as this.

To just make this whole situation of going back and forth over with, I would suggest an immediate implementation of late entries being null and void all together and not just a couple of questions, especially for division 1 and 2 players, since those divisions are not filled with first time participants.

This has escalated so quickly - if I understand you correctly, you're accusing the Cro2 team of changing your answers in the spreadsheet, and how is that even helpful to anyone? This isn't something that can be manipulated behind the scenes; it's a real-life sport, and no one knows what the outcome will be.

For goodness sake, this type of discussion is not helpful for the competition. The Cro2 team are doing an excellent job, and the rules are being enforced on a level playing field for all. These individuals aren't receiving the credit they deserve for being part of a team that spends hours every week cracking and writing questions for us while also updating a spreadsheet after every fucking game. They did not deserve that.

So, I guess I already eliminated from cup. I'm down 0:3, 2 questions remaining and only one of it is different from my opponent. Well, shity seasons continues...

I don't mind having futsal questions, but there isn't many games that would be really big. As said, maybe final 4 of CL or EURO/World Cup. I watch local league games sometimes, it's quite interesting. What is downside that lot of time ball isn't in play, though, clock is stopped then, not like in big football.
I heard about Kings league, it have quite big interest in Spain, but I don't look very seriously in such league, it's more entertainment than sports. Something similar like boxing or MMA between Youtubers.

This first sentence really bothers me since I am quite sure I never said or acted in that way. Unless maybe in some joke but I am trying to be extra careful when writing that stuff because there is always someone who doesn't get it. This is gambling section and I treat it like a pub place, meaning safe place for me and I am not choosing my words carefully. I leave that for situations when I have to speak with my wife or mother    

We are really having so much problems to enforce the rules fairly for all concerned that it is starting to get real bothersome. Do you think we enjoy giving penalty points for late submission or plain nonsense answers? That is just extra work which we would rather skip. Is it that difficult to spend a few seconds to at least google the teams competing in some question? Or that we enjoy sending reminders to people that don't submit on time? Hell it is the same deadline every week from the start of it.

This league is intended for true sports fanatics and it demands some dedication from all participants. I am quite sure we will get more strict with time. Probably baby wheels off from next season. No reminders and direct 3:0 without fight for late submitters. But then we get to the problem of regularity if somebody is late often so that probably means we have to start to kick out people which we did not want to do.

This situation is perfectly clear. You submitted on time and got all answers wrong. If I had 7 correct, it would have been 7-0. I got 3 correct, so it's 3-0.

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There's a lot of stuff that has been said, some of it incorrect, but I really don't want to play ping-pong with you around this.
Also - please don't pinpoint one of us out. What Trofo writes I concur with, what I write he concurs with.
We never run any campaign or competition in a way that you described how Trofo does it and I really don't appreciate that kind of talk. It is untrue and childish.

Basically, it all comes down to this:


And it is correct.
I purposely crossed out the idiotic part of it. If you really think that there's a personal incentive behind awarding someone a bigger goal difference, then you live in a world that I'm unable to comprehend.

Now let's discuss the important part - why it isn't rule based and is subjective.

Considering that we had 16 new members joining, from which a lot is from Clubhouse and don't really read Bitcointalk, we decided we don't want to introduce a harsh penalty in which you instantly lose 3-0 if you're late this season. We'll introduce it next season and we have already said that multiple times.
Because of that we find ourselves in difficult situations every time somebody submits late.
In some rounds you lose 5 points if you're a second late and in some just a point, some rounds have 4 H2H questions and some have 1. Sometimes people submit on Fridays and are eligible only for 1 question.
We need to balance goal difference in a way that is fair to all participants and sometimes it means that you will get fucked over. This is a decision we won't be apologizing for, it's just something that has to be done this season because it's the lesser of 2 evils.
It is not intentional, it is not you we're targeting, it's because we can't make a fair rule at this point that would be beneficial for the competition. It's either 3-0 which would happen too often or balancing how to grade big results when somebody is late.

I already told you - 9 out of 10 LFC_Bitcoin's answers were invalid at the time of his submission. If you think you should have won 6-0, you are being selfish and are putting yourself ahead of the competition.
Paradoxically, you're accusing us of having an agenda whereas you're the one that's forcing something with no logic behind it whatsoever.

Bottom line - you see some sort of agendas against you that simply don't exist. If you want to continue with it feel free to do so, also feel free to yell from your balcony what a shitty job Cro2 is doing if you'll feel better.

We run a fair competition - to the best of our abilities. Getting slammed for f&%king you over goal difference? For fuck sakes, man.

Check out this round then between me and cryptofrka. None of my 10 answers, provided in time, was correct.

I am not speaking on codes. Trofo already made clear that what he wants to happen, will happen. And what he doesn't want to happen, won't happen.

I only ask that the rules be applied to everyone equally. I could now provide you several examples where you strictly decided otherwise, but in my case made it a 3-0. Why even point out which answers don't count when in the end you make it a 3-0 anyway?

Assuming I had pulled another 0-pointer as I did against cryptofrka, you would have made it a draw 0-0. Either way, my round against LFC_Bitcoin is the only round that was valued 3-0 despite the fact that his submission was not invalidated in full.

I could bring up a lot of examples now where you consistently applied the rules. Now I wonder where you drew the line? Why wait until the round was finished and then turn the high score into a 3-0? If someone fails to submit, a 3-0 makes sense. But you did accept the submission and explicitly stated which questions will not be counted. You gave it some time to see whether I'd have a messy round, then made your decision. Limit the upside, unlimited the downside.

Trofo, I really don't care whether you apply rules consistently or not. Do whatever you think needs to be done. But it is important to raise the issue at least once. Bending the rules based on subjective judgment is against my understanding of a fair competition. But you know, when there is some incentive, people come up with their own logic. My logic is one rule for everyone. Your logic is what you say will happen, will happen. 

You also decided to give me a penalty point for my mistaken submission with this one DOTA question and that is totally ok. Not gonna complain about it because those are the rules and they have been applied that way. I could have explained my personal reasons, but my personal reasons don't matter in the face of the set of rules that we have implicitly explicitly established. Your judgment to make the round a 3-0 against LFC_Bitcoin wasn't rule-based. It was your subjective opinion driven by personal incentive.

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Not long ago I was asked via PM what I think about Cro2 and whether you are doing a good job. I said yes, doing a very good job and trying to be as fair and precise as possible. No reasons to complain and certainly recommend them as project managers. Well, I will leave it at this.

That's true. But I like familiar questions better than those that I have no idea how to research and answer. For example women's football. There are not many websites with statistics about it so it's hard to do the research.

As for Dinamo - AEK, I wouldn't say that odds are on Dinamo's side. AEK has grown significantly in the last few years. They managed to win against the best Greek teams like PAOK who they beat in the cup 2-0 even though one of AEK's players got sent off in 6th minute. It will definitely be an interesting game to watch.

familiarity with a question usually bring in bad result for me
not sure about Dinamo and AEK at the moment, I would say without checking that chances/odds should be on Dinamo side to come through

looking at tennis, it is a question will any favorites go through to SF, Fritz playing Murray, and Eubanks in round after that

rest day for my squad too, down one point, looking forward to Feyenoord, but don't have good feeling about this cup round

I'm looking forward to that question. Finally something that I'm somewhat familiar with and not women's football

So now we can rest until tomorrow's game of Feyenoord and PSV. I'm down one point so I hope that it goes my way.

I have secured the qualification to the next round of the cup after winning in the tennis question, I have had a good run between the cup and BSFL the last 4 games

Nope, the odds weren't attractive at all. I did bet on Dinamo to win the first game, should have went with them to win yesterday as well.
Astana is a terrible team but I decided against it, because we tend to play horrible when the qualification is secured - which was the case before yesterday's game.

The next opponent is AEK - a team of similar quality. I think the cnances here will be 50-50, and you'll have this matchup in the BSFL for sure

Me too, obviously though most of us felt the same way, I even wasn't familiar with any of the player names except one, but then I don't really follow tennis. Auger completed 2 out so majority of us get points but also majority of us have opponents doing the same


I know about this league and it was even popular covered on tv for a time, but I won't have any edge if it comes out, don't even follow it!

if I knew you are open to it, I would put Kings league as proposal

not sure if you heard for that one, it is a seven/seven football, established by Pique, and pretty popular in Spain

nevertheless, Summer split final was last weekend, and next season beginns in January 2024, so pretty much useless to write about it at this point