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I read through most of these, here are some overviews:


We plan to always have some 'easy' questions - the goal is to aim for 4-6 correct answers per player. The Yes/No questions are here to stay but there are usually 1 or 2 such questions per round.
Regarding the second point - that's something we don't want to see but is more random than initially thought - we did the analysis on that.

We had over 200 H2H duels (including the cup) - and it really does not happen that often. Also - there are rarely questions where players pick 70%+ of the same outcomes - which is something we are trying to avoid and are happy to see that it does not happen often.
mv1986 made the analysis for draws - we are thrilled with the percentage because it's really close to the 'real' football draw percentage - and that's exactly what we were trying to achieve.


Not possible - we can't manage H2H questions or penalty questions and can't do the cup there. Also we couldn't calculate the weekly freebets correctly.
Google forms are easy to use and Excel helps us tremendously when analyzing.
It also lets you see easily what your opponent picked - which would take a lot more time on a page like Superbru.


It would lead to too much guessing (especially in tennis) - which we fully want to avoid.
Use all the data that you can until the deadline, if you're late you will get a small penalty and that's it.


If we run 2 Divisions 3, then no worries. If we run one, we'll have double rounds during some weeks. We want to have a big playerbase, so most who want to play will be able to.
Bonus questions won't be introduced unless we see that we're having a lot of cancelled games, it happened only once I think in Season 1.

Only sports questions will ever be in BSFL - so no Eurosong, Oscars, presidential elections or BTC prices


Tennis questions will surely be revised - we know how you bet. When you're not familiar with something, you just look at the odds and pick the favorites.
We implemented some great questions in theory (NBA scorers, 5 football goalscorers..) but were quite unlucky with the games - they had bizarre outcomes so the questions ended mostly with draws as well.

We plan to game a bit more with such questions, but will try to make them a bit more bulletproof to weird outcomes. We do need to have some H2H questions (we like these) and it's hard to write these because most of you are taking the 'easy' way out. We'll find a way though

I don't have anything against rewarding people for early submissions. But those who voids their first couple of questions by submitting the answers after the deadline should be punished somehow. I like the idea of deducting points for those who submit their answers after the deadline. I understand that people mostly don't do it intentionally, but it gives an unfair advantage to the opponent for that week because he/she gets a free point or two.

So good to be back soon to this. I still feel very hurt from last season not being able to win a single game, so I need to make up for it in Season 2 now!

However, if everyone agrees with famososMuertos suggestion than I would have won a prize already to carry Slissy's bags to the stadium lol Too bad to make that happen someone has to deal with my internal travel issue, which is more difficult than money  

I like the idea of early submissions bonus too, like Superbru Early Bru points in F1. It rewards people who don't wait for qualification results. You can still submit "late" for a different advantage, but lose the bonus. It makes a lot of sense.

Many suggestions are given here, I'm sure Trofo and Cryptofrka will implement which one is best for the second season which will soon start, especially with the increase in the number of participants in division 3 which will make the work of checking answers every week take longer than before.
Waiting for questions at the French Open is not only for men but also for women because Iga Swiatek will get a pretty strong competitor this year from Aryna Sabalenka and most likely Elena Rybakina.

Yeah, I don't think there should be any punishment for those who submit right before the deadline, so far it's even just a second before the deadline, neither should there be a reward for submitting a early the essence of the 48 hours is do proper research and submitting early might eliminate a lot of information which in the end basically just gives some free point/advantage that is not so different from submitting late as well.

I believe it's best not to overcomplicate things and just go with usual rule of deadlines as it works in all the sports betting we are accustomed too, you don't get any advantage for submitted your predictions early and even in FPL making a transfer way too early could even be detrimental to your team.

Why bother with this though. I personally think google forms is pretty simple and neat already


I think it is essentially part of the game and that really makes it different when someone is actually trying to play to win compared to someone that play for fun. If there is actually extra merit on submitting early then everyone would submit in early which is kinda weird. I dont think its fair to 'punish' someone that done their fair share of research then submit answers in the last minute.

Better be careful with that idea, some might value the trip to a game in the PL a lot and it makes it worth it lose every single round

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Keep in mind here that division 3 had 11 games less than division 1 and 2. But when you take the points average the order is still the right one, though division 1 and division 3 are almost equal whereas division 2 indeed performed significantly better! @slackovic dominated hard and @vd309 as well, being better as the 1st of both other divisions.
I hope I won't pull down the points average in the upcoming seasons or division 2

I think that for a new season, the one who achieves zero in losses should have the right to a trip to watch a game in the PL and the one who gets zero in "W" should carry their bags.

Another point that has been touched on here, AI, we have them are called Slissy V. 1.0.0, slackovic V.1.2.0 and Woodie V.0.2.1.

On the other hand, a plate should be awarded to the best division or all its players should be entitled to a wild card.
Div2: 209 points.
Div1: 182 points.
Div3: 150 points.

That shows that Div 2 is the most competitive, hyper-against-mega cool.

Perhaps this does not add much to what the league commissioner expects, but it means that we only wait for the initial whistle, the kickoff, the flag... etc-sports*.
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The last edition was near perfect for me, but as the saying goes there is always room for improvement, my only observation would have been proper wording of each question, but as I've noticed sometimes that decoding the question itself is part of the answer so, I'm good with that and given the penalty for those late submission is another good implementation imo, I've seen potential several sports that are likely to be added, from the conversations here so far, but there haven't been much or any talk about eSports like CS:GO, I know for a fact here some of us from the forum do switch to those eSport during off season of football and I remember having Dota2 question during one of those weeks, can we expect some of the same in these periods too ?

Yeah, I knew even as I was typing that it seems "nice" on paper, harder to simplify for implementation. I'm 100% on board with simplicity, that's the strength of BSFL I feel, but even following some of the rounds (which I do even when am not playing for points, it's that interesting haha), I feel like there really should be a small but clear advantage to people who pick outside of the box.

Tennis does seem to be the most, but also from memory (maybe I'm wrong), lineup picks and NBA points. Of course, as there is no reward for outlier picks, most of us go with stats and pick the top scorers, right? Some really good mid-scorers looked attractive as an outsider pick, but when playing for the same points, then you don't think too hard and go for the ones with best averages, who are often way above the middle-scorers.

IIRC in IO, Trofo and maybe a couple of others were the only ones who went for Rune in one of the tennis as finalists, I thought that was inspired and deserved some kind of half point haha.

And in a previous ATP, someone else also was the only one to pick one right non-favourite finalist -- yet they ended up drawing (I think because the other finalist was wrong). Such a big risk to take, and it didn't pay off. Maybe a further tiebreaker section for tennis, I agree it's way too important to skip: add something like: Number of games?

@casperBGD indeed, there was a round where everything was settled on the first 14 hours or so, as Igehh and I picked same answers everything else, but that was probably more luck than us choosing the favs. I can't remember, honestly.

@mv1986 the draws we were thinking of were on particular questions, rather than on round outcomes If you go back, tennis questions are the worst culprit, with only a handful of greens on some, and at least one question where it was a yellow (draw) for everyone, again if my memory serves me. This is the issue I believe, where the question feels redundant, if everyone's going to answer the same (and those who answer different anyway don't win).

Maybe it is possible to use Superbru or some other website to make all questions and answers instead of google forms.
Most of us have accounts there and others could easily create them, but if I am late with this suggestion maybe we could do this starting from third Season BSFL.
One more suggestion is to create bonus points for people who send answers earlier, that would be positive incentive instead of punishing people who post questions late.
Some people are waiting last moments to submit questions because they are waiting to see injured players and news, that is why people who send answers first should be rewarded.

There are a lot of players in Division 3 and it wont be easy to keep up with first two division, maybe you should have early play off matches that would cut off some players earlier.
I am also proposing to always add one bonus question in each round, in case any other game is canceled that would count instead and it can be used to decide winners when two players have same points.
One more thing, summer is coming and there will be less sports events but we can replace that with prediction for Bitcoin blocks or Bitcoin price.

Let the games begin, and may this season be filled with intense competition, thrilling moments, and camaraderie with fellow BTT’s sports enthusiasts. Enjoy the journey!   
It will be exciting to follow the Copa Libertadores tournament and watch some matches, especially during this stage when most European leagues are on a break.

agree about that, it is not bulletproof, but that can influence this type of questions that you currently have as well (top favorite being out putting people that answering closer to deadline in advantage)

what about this second part, with number of sets combined in QF, SF, F, that is more for GS as this one, you have seven matches and options from 21 to 35, granted below 25 and more than 31 will rarely be a case, but one can find some sweat spot for answers:
below 24, 25-26, than 27-28, 29-30, and 31 and above for example (not sure when QF for RG are scheduled, but should be Wednesday, not Tuesday?)

edit: IMO, more than two options are great for each answer, when there are two (Yes/No), there is also a lot of draws/same answers
correct me if wrong @buwaytress but I think you had few rounds with almost all answers same and competition finished on mid-week (winner known due to one/two different answers already resolved)?

@buwaytress has a good point here but implementation really isn't that easy. I have had the situation quite often where I first figured out what the safest point is and then concentrated on getting some edge in the questions that are left. The neutralization is an issue, but since it is still the same for everyone, it's still not that bad.

@Trofo's suggestion is good in terms of the "dumbing" down the idea to something that could be pretty much self-understanding. I think implementing it in the question itself could be one way to do it. One question is perhaps enough because it adds one element of potential differentiation.

@cryptofrka is also right as I can tell that I had quite some struggles at times to pick my answers, thinking back and forth what would make more sense. The questions are mostly quite tough and not obvious regarding the results. But what about adding an element to the tennis question when you don't only have to pick the finalists and the winner, but also some realistically doable specification. Like "Will Djokovic, if he reaches the final, have dropped X, >X or

I did make the count of draws for the respective divisions:

Div1: 66 games and 16 draws
Div2: 66 games and 9 draws
Div3: 55 games and 14 draws

This makes a total of 39 draws out of 187 games. I think this ratio is still more than ok.

@buwaytress, don't dare to say that div 1 has most draws because there are the most pros! Div 2 undermines that logic!

Just a bit joking here, but if we can come up with something that is really doable also for Trofo and cryptofrka, I would be all for it. I think you guys also said you want to expand the competition. Keeping it simple is the way to go I guess.

@buwaytress, even with an excel wizard you would also have to specify a lot of rules right? Like when someone picks an outcome that is 5:1, would that be less points than someone picking 10:1? Which odds would be taken? Sportsbet.io? At what point in time? Even with thresholds something could go wrong if it changes right after a question has been phrased.


Edit: oops, casperBGD, I didn't want to copy your suggestion. I typed my answer after I read cryptfrka's response. I apologize.

That type of question has one setback but it is a big one. We are making questions on Sunday when draws aren't even made sometimes and deadline is up to Tuesday. What happens if our chosen favorite gets eliminated before the deadline? We like to make bulletproof questions and it is very hard to do so for sports like tennis if we want to keep giving you at least 48 hours to give answers. But granted it isn't big risk and it can work in ATP500 tournaments when favorites sometimes have first match on Wednesday.

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Will include them for sure, especially in these weeks where we don't have top European leagues anymore.

Man, disappointed I lacked mental fortitude and grit to be apart of Division 2. But that will get the fire going for season 2, can't wait hope ya'll enjoying your rewards and time off. And speaking of Tennis, these underdogs have been barking loud, I did have bets on Seyboth Wild yesterday, and now with Altamaier although that was a rough sweat. Keep a look out for those dogs.

In South America next week we have the Copa Libertadores is the first important tournament and the Copa Sudamericana is the second important tournament, gameweek 5 will be played, the Copa Libertadores is the same as the UCL format and the Copa Sudamericana is the same as the UEL format, maybe you could consider it for the questions

for start, I do think that it is a great competition, and congrats to Sportsbet and Cro2 for organizing it, maybe it is too many times repeated, but it is a great show

have few suggestions, maybe just shitposting, for tennis:
- not sure why you are trying same question type - who will reach SF/F, that lead to draws and picking favorites
- maybe you can lean towards questions as in the beginning, will top favorite take the tournaments, and how many sets he will lost?
- and if there isn't top favorite (at the moment, we have two top players), maybe what they will do combined, as example:

will Djokovic or Alcaraz win the tournament, and how many sets they will lost on doing it, combined:
- Djokovic will win, losing up to three sets (three included)
- Alcaraz will win, losing up to three sets (three included)
- Djokovic will win, losing more than three sets
- Alcaraz will win, losing more than three sets
- neither will win
or similar with a number of sets played in QF, SF and F combined (all matches), as you were putting for Bundesliga matches

To add to this - we really try to offer pairs that would generally carry the same odds - specifically so that players don't choose the easy way out.
For tennis questions that is impossible because we have to post questions way in advance and often we don't even know the draw at time of creating it - you know it because you answer 2 days later.
Tennis is far too important to skip, so we're still trying to manage it - tennis is the biggest problem by far.

Rewarding outside picks is a great idea in theory - but one we really cannot implement in the current format. We do like it, and have it in the back of our minds though.

And that is the biggest problem with idea buwaytress proposed. It is great and something that would probably make competition better but we have over 50 players and maybe 10 of them would really understand it from the get go. Then after we repeat the stuff million times maybe half of the participants would really understand it.

Just remember how many times cryptofrka had to explain rules to award free bets and it is much simpler than this. Maybe we will implement it in some way directly in the question which should be straightforward. For instance we ask who will play in RG final and if you chose Alcaraz or Djoković and they get there each gets you only a point. If you choose another top 10 player you get maybe 1.5 and if you choose somebody like Seyboth Wild you get 3 points. Meaning long odds but basically guarantees you a win on question if it comes. But that will make questions much longer to read trough. We will think about it definitely.

@buwaytress try to think a way to "dumb" it down to get parts of your idea but that implementation is straight forward and self explanatory.