Topic: Staff member dserrano5 promoting scam - should he remain with default trust? (Read 4173 times)

wow, thank you. I can't even express now how positively surprised I'm..nice dreams

I'm really glad to read this! You're making the right decision. I'm sure at least one person won't be scammed because of this.

Dude. You've just defined "shill" right there. You are enticing others.

I use the word "shill" when it's appropriate. You've just admitted yourself as a shill for participating in the campaign.

Sorry that I need to spell this out for you.

The text under the avatar is a strict requirement of the campaign. In no way it proves I'm an accomplice or a customer of mirjangka. Also, your usage of "shill" again later in the thread signals that you use the word pretty lightly.



Ok, this has been brought again. I guess that by disagreeing with that line of thought, a compelling case can be made that I'm facilitating clueless people to be allegedly scammed out of their money. I can perfectly sleep in a parallel universe where theymos, at his sole discretion, removes my entry from DT. I can, and will, perfectly sleep in this universe in which I've received at least a negative feedback (last I checked). I can perfectly sleep in, probably, this universe where several members have added "~dserrano5" to their personal trust lists—that's their call after all. But it would take me some additional minutes to sleep thinking that I could have been the stepping stone upon which someone could have made a wrong decision. They're probably going to make a bad decision anyway based on the perceived trustworthiness of someone else, and they will appropriately learn the lesson, but at least I wouldn't be involved in the negative aspect of that.

In clear blunt words: suckers gonna suck. It's one more of those sad realities of this world. Thanks cryptodevil, erpbridge and others earlier in the thread for making me realise that.

My following immediate steps, provided that my internet connection doesn't fail precisely now , will be to restore my previous avatar and to publicly contact mirjangka to give him back his payment.

Last but not least, I want to add that I haven't been contacted by the admins regarding this.

Yes, it's fits into the Meta section, but it is not relevant to the subject of this thread. This is about dserrano5 wearing a signature and avatar for a website that may or may not be a scam (my personal opinion does not matter in this context), not about dserrano5's and vgo's moderating skills. If you discuss their moderation skills, it's off-topic and should be done somewhere else.

That is not true. He would still be on level 1 default trust. You can only have an impact on other's trust network if you are on a lower depth level then the person you are excluding.

For example, you are on level 2, so two people on level 1 would need to exclude you in order for you to be off of default trust, if two people from level 2 excluded you then nothing would happen (except for people who are using custom trust lists).

In order for him to be off of default trust, he would need to be removed by theymos

If two on DT level 1 do it, they are essentially gone from DT as this propagates through the trust network as well as adding someone to the list. Or is it one on the same level and two on a level below? Im not entirely sure on the numbers, but IIRC thats how TECSHARE was removed.

So move this to Scam Accusations if you feel this is not appropriate discussion here.

This is completely relevant in a Meta discussion.

Look, the issue is one of Staff members failing to recuse themselves from profiting due to their elevated status (read: Staff) on these forums.

It should go without saying that Staff members of these forums should try to maintain an air of neutrality or objectivity - Not profit from signature or advertising campaigns. If you can't see this yourself, I contend your moral compass is broken.

It sends a message that corruption is OK on these forums.

Actually, now that I've said that out loud... it's starting to make a whole lot of sense considering the history of these forums.

Once again, if you have a problem with the way dserrano5, vgo or any other moderator moderate, please create a thread about it or send a PM about it (with solid proof) to theymos and BadBear. It's off-topic in here.

I think it is quite clear with the last intervention of @vgo why the people complain of moderation in the spanish subforum. This kind of arrogant comments is the norm in the subforum.

Oh! he Spanish?!?

In that case all is forgiven



Just kidding! I have a few good Spanish friends.

Another scam??... it´s posible.


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/lista-no-oficial-de-reglas-si-oficiales-del-foro-guias-faq-705523   


Your interpretation??  Ok, sorry. 

The trust system is good, just has some small flaws. For instance, there should not be a *default list*. Let members make their own; or share their trust lists.

I never realized it until now, but you're right. This trust system is sick.

I haven't read through the entire discussion but I think that he shouldn't be advertising it for one main reason. All people who are new to investing and cloudmining may see that a staff member here has its avatar or signature . Most of the times they would likely not doubt it and without doing any research might just invest in it. This also happened in the past with a dice site where people invested because some trusted member had its signature. But ultimately the site went down and had scammed.

I don't think the solution is to remove him from the trust list or the staff position. But have theymos request him to remove the advertising as it may lead to people losing money on a clear scam.

give negative trust rating to staff member with 1level DT? sorry, don't wanna to ruin my acc here..

edit: omg, I just realized, how this trust system is sick.

That's not the same.
Removing him from your trust list like this will only make you ignore his trust feedback for others and ignore his respective trust list, both of which might still be valuable for you.
If you specifically no longer trust him personally for what he's doing, and/or you want to warn others about his behavior, you should give him a negative trust rating yourself.

it's not ok for any level of member to promote obvious ponzi. and I don't think excluding DefaultTrust does anything cuz I just tried it and I still see greens actually, it seemed to have worked... but excluding dserrano5 alone should do for now

Its ok if he is a legendary member
Its kind of ok if he is a staff member. In my books its a no no.
Its NOT ok if he is on the default trust list.

I personally don't use the default trust list (~DefaultTrust) so I should not be affected.