Topic: Staff member dserrano5 promoting scam - should he remain with default trust? - page 3. (Read 4223 times)

So what can we expect from staff then? If you guys cant tell if something its a scam or not and you cant tell if someone is spamming or posting insubstantial posts, what are you guys for? Im just wondering

I think it is more clear then most that this is a scam. There are a number of people pointing it out, and generally speaking even many of the people who are wearing the signature/avatar are in agreement it is a scam, however they have no issue with whoring out their signature/avatar
If he were to remove the advertisement then there would be no issue. I would be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he was not aware they were a scam when he agreed to advertise for them. He can simply return any money he received and advertise for someone else.

Possibly. But I still don't think the burden of judgement should be on the shoulders of staff.
There may be other cases (and have been in the past) where the situation is not as obvious, and where the advertising by staff might have lured a lot of newbies into believing some scam to be true.
That's why I'd personally discourage staff and legendary members from promoting any business (except for their own, if they have).
Making that a rule for staff or e.g. users on DefaultTrust would be a good idea.

I agree, but I'd prefer a solution for the future over making an example of this singular event.

I think it is pretty clear that in this case the site that is being advertised is a scam. That is the major difference, sure someone could get duped into advertising what turns out to be a scam, however the evidence is clear.

I think that anyone who advertised such a obvious scam is someone whose word should not be trusted, and is not reputable and the forum staff, and more importantly, the people on level 1 default trust who be trusted and should be reputable.

You cannot expect staff to judge whether or not a specific service with a referral scheme is legit or not.
So there's only two possible solutions to the dilemma of staff sometimes accidentally (or willingly) promoting scam:
1. forbid advertising for staff
2. let them do whatever they like
I personally would opt for 1.

Being staff in local section is being selected by discussion. I'm sure everyone has their own decision to selecting him as staff.
Being staff also carrying burden, they must keep their honor. That's a quite heavy task.
When staff want to promoting something illegal, it means he/she ruin their honor 

It's his fault for knowingly promoting a scam. It's as simple as that.

I guess Theymos should decide what's the role of staff members in the first place.

If I'm not mistaken this has already been discussed in the past, and it was established that the role of staff is to prevent spam - no further policing whatsoever, and no protecting users from possible scams.

This is what I remember, and if it is like this the trust system is quite flawed indeed - but I really don't see how this should be dserrano ''s fault,

You represent everything that is wrong with Default Trust given your attitude in regards to this matter - shilling for ANYTHING as a staff member of these forums.

But then again, seeing as how Theymos has greatly profited off these forums, I'm sure the staff sees no moral or ethical issues with shilling and abusing their positions of "power" for self-profit.

Even though he is promoting an obvious scam, I think he is moderating forum well. Theymos most probably remove him if he is abusing his power.

Thats like the guy who paid a loan after 1 year to have his red trust removed, it just doesnt work like that and this guy shouldnt be staff anymore.

Ignorance is bliss I guess. you'd expect staff members to work for the community and prevent scams not support them.

Even I was a bit surprised to see, not only a legendary but a staff member promoting this.

Maybe they need to increase the payouts of staff

I think he should stop promoting what is obviously a scam.

Granted it is the responsibility of individual users to do their own due diligence when deciding to do business with someone or deciding to invest in something. However with that being said, when someone credible advertises for someone then a certain level of credibility is given to that business and someone may give less weight to the fact that there are red flags this is a scam.

If dserrano5 wants to remain reputable then he should remove the avatar and stop advertising/promoting an obvious scam. If he does remove the advertisement then he would receive a certain level of additional of respect in my book as he would have essentially admit he made a mistake and quickly rectified the situation.

If he continues to advertise a scam then I do not see the logic that he should be trusted to maintain a trust list that includes only people who are reputable enough that will reasonably include people who send accurate trust ratings. Nor can I understand that it would be reasonable that he would send accurate trust ratings.

If he wants to earn a little bit of BTC by selling his avatar then I am sure he can find a competitive avatar campaign that would pay him to advertise while he can maintain his credibility.

Yes the forum has advertised what turned out to be scams in the past however, to my knowledge, nothing has been advertised that was clearly a scam at the time of advertisement. BFL was showing signs of problems and had a reputation of major delays, however to my knowledge there was no solid evidence available at the time that they were intentionally delaying shipment of their miners. They is has also rejected bids on forum ads from what were clear scams.  

So because you got fucked over you believe others should be too? wow, just, wow.



They may be unsure what to believe but I can guarantee you this, because you are a staff member there *will* be users who see you are supporting this scam and will think it must be ok to have the backing of such an esteemed member of the community. Attempting to dismiss such concerns on the basis that you want to claim they "haven't a brain of their own" is to completely ignore the realities of the responsibility you have here as a person in a position of power.


Being 'legendary' isn't the problem, being 'staff' is. So, yes, there is a great deal wrong with you taking advantage of your official title in order to promote a known criminal enterprise as though it were legit.

Great to read this
I think it's for the wrong reason but it works anyway.

Back in the day, there was no trust rating system.

Now is situation little bit different, because you had highest possible trust level here, believe or not, but for majority of users are those Staff guys with level 1 DT really trustworthy..it is really hard for you get the point or you just don't want to admit to yourself, what are you actually doing and how you are harming community here..

omfg..

…should develop a brain of their own. I've already said this.



Well, I used the softer term "burned" . Back in the day I was burned in the dozens of coins because I trusted the words of someone else that I considered pretty trustworthy.



Because they haven't a brain of their own.

I'm taking advantage of my hard earned legendary position to get 0.1BTC/week in advance with zero posting requirements. Anything wrong with that?



A few coins.

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Edit: worry not, people, payouts have been decreased. Next tuesday night (Europe) I'll revert my avatar. Fame is so short lived…

I agree the problem here isn't he's on default trust, or Legendary, the problem is he's the moderator of the Spanish sub-forum, and therefore Staff everywhere else.

I mentioned this here (in Spanish) and he said scams are not moderated and he's just a regular user whose opinions or mesages shouldn't be considered as official at all, which of course is true. The problem is that a lot of users, especially newbies, don't know that. I strongly believe several people will see it's promoted by the staff and will think "great, this is certified by the forum, it can't be a scam". And no they don't deserve to be scammed for wrongly thinking so.

While he's on his right to promote it I do see a problem here. It's not the same not moderating a possible scam than promoting it. It can be misleading for a lot of users.

Edit: I see the payouts were just greatly reduced, let's hope that helps.

obviously not anymore. this is actually, why I created the thread..not because some hero/leg member promoting obvious ponzi, but STAFF member with highest possible trust level on whole board - this is something new, what I never saw here before..

Looking forward for reaction from other staff members/administrators, because this is simply unacceptable behavior without single excuse. His reaction just showed us his attitude, which is also not so cool at all..