Staff member dserrano5 promoting scam - should he remain with default trust? - page 2.

redsn0w

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#Free market

Quote from: shorena on June 18, 2015, 02:44:17 PM

Quote from: redsn0w on June 18, 2015, 02:39:50 PM

But it is really strange, why a staff member should promote a 'scam' site? This is really a no-sense thing.... I think there is a second reason behind his choice to promote that site (not only for a few satoshi).

I dont see a reason for a big disussion here though. dserrano5 is basically saying: "Im doing nothing wrong", so just remove him from your trust list

Code:

~dserrano5

and be done with it. Its not like they have that much feedback to make a big difference. Its also probably worth to take a look at those on dserrano5's trustlist and deceide whether you want to add them to your trustlist or not.

Code:

sirius
theymos
Gavin Andresen
nanotube
casascius
Luke-Jr
dooglus
grue
Maged
gmaxwell
Kluge
majamalu
tysat
piuk
jackjack
yxt
aigeezer
BadBear
vgo
Dabs
DannyHamilton
Carlton Banks
LuisCar
ioxoi

Done ! However we are discussing that he should be removed from the DefaultTrust (user) so theymos should remove him directly, without the use of this *trick from us (*~dserrano5). He is (probbly) not doing anything of wrong, but promote with your avatar + personal message a probable scam site it is not a good thing (especially from a 2-defaultTrust user staff member).

shorena

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No I dont escrow anymore.

Quote from: redsn0w on June 18, 2015, 02:39:50 PM

But it is really strange, why a staff member should promote a 'scam' site? This is really a no-sense thing.... I think there is a second reason behind his choice to promote that site (not only for a few satoshi).

I dont see a reason for a big disussion here though. dserrano5 is basically saying: "Im doing nothing wrong", so just remove him from your trust list

Code:

~dserrano5

and be done with it. Its not like they have that much feedback to make a big difference. Its also probably worth to take a look at those on dserrano5's trustlist and deceide whether you want to add them to your trustlist or not.

Code:

sirius
   theymos
   Gavin Andresen
   nanotube
   casascius
   Luke-Jr
   dooglus
   grue
   Maged
   gmaxwell
   Kluge
   majamalu
   tysat
   piuk
   jackjack
   yxt
   aigeezer
   BadBear
   vgo
   Dabs
   DannyHamilton
   Carlton Banks
   LuisCar
   ioxoi

redsn0w

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#Free market

But it is really strange, why a staff member should promote a 'scam' site? This is really a no-sense thing.... I think there is a second reason behind his choice to promote that site (not only for a few satoshi).

Xian01

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Christian Antkow

Quote from: dserrano5 on June 18, 2015, 01:47:44 PM

Quote from: Xian01 on June 18, 2015, 01:31:59 PM

If could be argued your prominent shilling is, in itself, derailing.

The burden is on you to prove that accusation. Best of luck…

There's no burden at all. It's right there as your avatar.

atleticofa_hacked

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Quote from: Mitchell on June 18, 2015, 02:12:38 PM

entertainment and ticoti, his moderation skills aren't being questioned in this thread. If you don't agree with what he does and how he does it, please make a thread about it or send Theymos/Badbear a message. It's off-topic in here.

A message to Theymos/Badbear? That's a good joke. I have sent them around 7 messages each one about my hacked account with signed proofs of ownership, and link to my topic: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9688652

I didn't get a single answer from them. If they don't answered me I really doubt they answer someone for a Mod complain...

escalicha

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He is as stupid as he can on spanish section.
He feel like a god for be Mod on bitcointalk,

In my opinion, Theymos need to kick him to have the spanish section more friendly but he have too many work with the new forum...

The moderation, and specific Dserrano5 is fucking the spanish section.

As user, is stupid too, but less that when he post as a moderator

Futhermore, he sell himself promotic a scam for few satoshis Shocked

Mitchell

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Verified awesomeness ✔

entertainment and ticoti, his moderation skills aren't being questioned in this thread. If you don't agree with what he does and how he does it, please make a thread about it or send Theymos/Badbear a message. It's off-topic in here.

cakir

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★ BitClave ICO: 15/09/17 ★

Some of moderators are promoting gambling websites which is illegal in lots of countries.
If you're "idiot enough" to invest in ponzis does it matter who promotes it? Ponzis are kinda gambling for most of people; They're investing ponzis consciously.
I don't see any problem for a mod to promote some shit.

ticoti

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Moderation in spanish subforum is a real shit,

They think they are god and they go every thread making stupid corrections to people and erasing posts I don't think they should erase

They should have been kicked a long time ago

GannickusX

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Quote from: oblivi on June 18, 2015, 01:58:15 PM

Is the proof of cloudthink.io being a scam strong enough to accuse dserrano like this?
Also, if dadice turned out to be a scam (which it isn't, but just giving an example) and im promoting it with my signature and avatar, I would've been still be promoting it until I realized because im not checking every single thread daily.. it could have been 1 month+ more until I see it.. so if someone makes a thread accusing X campaign of a scam, I wouldn't know, so during that time one wouldn't be liable for it, because you think you are promoting something legit. The difference is tho, dserrano has already seen that thread with the supposed proof, but he seems to genuinely think what he is promoting isn't a scam..

But cloudthink is 99% scam, he never said he thinks what he is promoting is not a scam, as seen in this thread he just doesnt give a shit, have you even seen the admin of cloduthink trust? Last time i saw it, it was at -64. He just shouldnt advertise anything that its more than just likely to be a scam, he was even inviting other people to join the campaign therefore making people think cloudthink is a good site.

redsn0w

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#Free market

Yes I think he should be removed from the default trust list but not from his position of 'staff member', this was only my personal opinion (and it is obvious that someone will not agree with me Wink

).

sdmathis

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AKA The Rubber Monkey

Quote from: dserrano5 on June 18, 2015, 01:05:09 PM

Being staff means that I've been entrusted to keep a specific part of this forum from derailing. Staff aren't counsellors.

Being staff means that you represent the forum. By promoting a ponzi, you've not only sold yourself out for a pittance. You've also the forum out.

entertainment

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dserrano5 shouldn't be part of the staff of Bitcointalk.

He is a really really bad moderator, I'm spanish and his labour as moderator is totally unacceptable. He feels the boss of the spanish subforum, his behaviour is totally opposite to Bitcoin philosophy.

Btw, I remember he was against advertising signature campaigns and look at him now... Even selling his picture to a scam website. Ridiculous.

oblivi

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Is the proof of cloudthink.io being a scam strong enough to accuse dserrano like this?
Also, if dadice turned out to be a scam (which it isn't, but just giving an example) and im promoting it with my signature and avatar, I would've been still be promoting it until I realized because im not checking every single thread daily.. it could have been 1 month+ more until I see it.. so if someone makes a thread accusing X campaign of a scam, I wouldn't know, so during that time one wouldn't be liable for it, because you think you are promoting something legit. The difference is tho, dserrano has already seen that thread with the supposed proof, but he seems to genuinely think what he is promoting isn't a scam..

dserrano5

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Quote from: Xian01 on June 18, 2015, 01:31:59 PM

If could be argued your prominent shilling is, in itself, derailing.

The burden is on you to prove that accusation. Best of luck…

Xian01

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Christian Antkow

Quote from: dserrano5 on June 18, 2015, 01:05:09 PM

Being staff means that I've been entrusted to keep a specific part of this forum from derailing. Staff aren't counsellors.

If could be argued your prominent shilling is, in itself, derailing.

dserrano5

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Quote from: cryptodevil on June 18, 2015, 07:34:25 AM

Quote from: dserrano5 on June 18, 2015, 07:19:19 AM

Well, I used the softer term "burned" Wink

. Back in the day I was burned in the dozens of coins because I trusted the words of someone else that I considered pretty trustworthy.

So because you got fucked over you believe others should be too? wow, just, wow.

It's an interesting mental process, you followed there. I haven't a clue where you extracted that "revenge" bit from. I trusted the words of thay guy, "well if he says it, then it must be true" and months later I got what I deserved after following such a flawed logic. We all agree it's a flawed logic, right? That's ok, shit happens, I learned my lesson, end of the story. This is not a personal crusade to obtain some ego out of the losses of others. It's just how life works. Those without an own judgement will be parted of their money in one way or another.

Quote from: cryptodevil on June 18, 2015, 07:34:25 AM

They may be unsure what to believe but I can guarantee you this, because you are a staff member there *will* be users who see you are supporting this scam and will think it must be ok to have the backing of such an esteemed member of the community.

Attempting to dismiss such concerns on the basis that you want to claim they "haven't a brain of their own" is to completely ignore the realities of the responsibility you have here as a person in a position of power.

While I keep strongly disagreeing with that, now at least you've made me think.

Quote from: cryptodevil on June 18, 2015, 05:58:28 AM

Being 'legendary' isn't the problem, being 'staff' is.

Being staff means that I've been entrusted to keep a specific part of this forum from derailing. Staff aren't counsellors.

dserrano5

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Quote from: Xialla on June 18, 2015, 07:26:25 AM

Quote from: dserrano5 on June 18, 2015, 07:19:19 AM

Back in the day I was burned in the dozens of coins because I trusted the words of someone else that I considered pretty trustworthy.

Back in the day, there was no trust rating system.

Trust, the kind I gave to that "someone else", has existed for millenia. The trust system in this forum is solely related to trust feedback, which is itself oriented towards the marketplace sections. Both trusts shouldn't be mixed up.

Ruzka

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This is bad that a staff member does not do his due dilligence before applying to advertise a clear as day scam, not only that the guy has been flooded with negatives from trusted default members and this staff member promotes anyway.

He chooses not to give a shit and carry on even after it has kindly been pointed out to him what he is doing, what is left is that he knew before he wore the avatar that it was a scam and didn't care.

This is the guy we have on default and staff, if he sells out so easily he should be removed from default look at the damage he could do if he was offered a few dollars.

Xialla

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/dev/null

Quote from: XinXan on June 18, 2015, 12:00:01 PM

If you guys cant tell if something its a scam or not..

this is fine, because it's not role of staff members to witch hunt scammers and mark ponzis. eveybody should use own brain. anyway, point is different, just read previous posts..

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