Topic: Stainless steel Bitcoin Recovery Seed Plate - page 3. (Read 1886 times)
Amazing, what about personalization?
The test plate is done and on the road
I am curious to see how the test performs and i hope i will not on the laste place
Good luck with testing and thanks for posting notification here!I am curious to see how the test performs and i hope i will not on the laste place
I am sure your plate won't be placed last, there are some terrible metal plates tested by Lopp, they partially used aluminum or bad systems with multiple parts.
Stuff like this fall apart under stress and pressure, and anything that is solid like your plate, that is made from stainless steel showed much better results.
I wrote recently there are two types of stainless steel good for backup, that is 304 (better melting points) and 316 with better corrosion properties and can survive even in salt water.
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I cant see any weaknesses of the letters and engraving wearing off, once you
stamp your plate with the punch you are supposed to hide it away until it is needed
to recover your seed, its not supposed to be propped up on full display for everyone
to see.
As regards the idea that it is more of a "collectable" set, yea that may come across
as a possibility but the key item is the plate, which can be bought on its own, or buy
2 plates, a hammer and punch, use one plate and display the second if you like it as
a collectable.
@willi9974 - an added benefit which you could consider is to drill a hole in the 4 (or 2)
corners so that the plate can be screwed to something else. The beauty of the flat
plate is it can be attached to something inaccessible and be inconspicuous .
I cant see any weaknesses of the letters and engraving wearing off, once you
stamp your plate with the punch you are supposed to hide it away until it is needed
to recover your seed, its not supposed to be propped up on full display for everyone
to see.
As regards the idea that it is more of a "collectable" set, yea that may come across
as a possibility but the key item is the plate, which can be bought on its own, or buy
2 plates, a hammer and punch, use one plate and display the second if you like it as
a collectable.
@willi9974 - an added benefit which you could consider is to drill a hole in the 4 (or 2)
corners so that the plate can be screwed to something else. The beauty of the flat
plate is it can be attached to something inaccessible and be inconspicuous .
My stainless steel plate is engraved with my fiber laser.
Thanks for your clarification. What are the weaknesses when using this method of applying text (if they exist at all)? Over time, the information will not be erased and it will not turn out that seed-phrase can't be read (this is where a stencil with a table template with rows of letters and numbers would come in handy)?
Waiting for answers from Lopp?
Hammer and marker can buy at any hardware store (or look in your toolbox). I don't think that a piece of this inox plate will also be difficult to find.
I find willi9974 set more a collectible set than something I'd mess with. I may have odd taste, but the plate with the mount, the HOLD Hammer and marker seem to ask to be shown, not hidden away.
If look from the position of the collectible set, then there are no questions. I think this set is great as a gift for people who get the joke with "hodl hammer".
Hasn't been tested there yet, but it's a good idea and can be done.
In my opinion, however, the Seed Plate should do very well here, because stainless steel in the thickness should be very resistant.
If nothing else, sending it to Lopp for testing would certainly bring more attention to your stainless steel plate, and who knows maybe it gets rated high on the table.In my opinion, however, the Seed Plate should do very well here, because stainless steel in the thickness should be very resistant.
He was testing all of them for corrosion, crush test, heat, price and gives them overall rating.
Not all stainless steel are equal, and more thickness is better for sure
PS
Let us know if you decide to send him plate for testing, I would love to read review.
I am curious to see how the test performs and i hope i will not on the laste place
Hammer and marker can buy at any hardware store (or look in your toolbox). I don't think that a piece of this inox plate will also be difficult to find.
I find willi9974 set more a collectible set than something I'd mess with. I may have odd taste, but the plate with the mount, the HOLD Hammer and marker seem to ask to be shown, not hidden away.
If I would ever have good reason to store the seed on steel, I'd probably go for the washers, really. Your setup looks complicated. And complicated usually asks for troubles (in 10 years, not now).
My stainless steel plate is engraved with my fiber laser.
+1 Merit
yes your way is also possible, right but cost a lot of time and some user prefere a good quality plate maybe with a individual mark of the username / a date / or other things on the seed plate. for a simple and safe way, i think the screw and washer is also a good way to go.
Best regards,
Willi
Yes, I understand. For each product there will always be a buyer and I am sure that for many it will be easier to buy Seed Plate from you. Not everyone will be able to make it by hand without the necessary skills and tools, but in your case everything is already available.yes your way is also possible, right but cost a lot of time and some user prefere a good quality plate maybe with a individual mark of the username / a date / or other things on the seed plate. for a simple and safe way, i think the screw and washer is also a good way to go.
Best regards,
Willi
with a individual mark of the username / a date / or other things on the seed plate
Could you tell me by what method the table and symbols are applied to your plate? Is it paint, laser engraving, something else?
+1 Merit
yes your way is also possible, right but cost a lot of time and some user prefere a good quality plate maybe with a individual mark of the username / a date / or other things on the seed plate. for a simple and safe way, i think the screw and washer is also a good way to go.
Best regards,
Willi
yes your way is also possible, right but cost a lot of time and some user prefere a good quality plate maybe with a individual mark of the username / a date / or other things on the seed plate. for a simple and safe way, i think the screw and washer is also a good way to go.
Best regards,
Willi
I'll start with questions:
- How is the text printed on the plate?
- Can text be erased?
Your business model is ideal for the lazy, and for the rest I can offer a cheap version.
Hammer and marker can buy at any hardware store (or look in your toolbox). I don't think that a piece of this inox plate will also be difficult to find. It is unlikely that you will be able to find the right size in the store, but in principle it is possible to find it (or cut it to the right size on your own).
Instead of putting text on the plate, can use a stencil (template) containing numbers, letters, cells as on your metall plate. Apply a stencil on top of the plate and make marks, after which remove the stencil and get a clean plate with dots in a chaotic manner. Try to understand and guess what the dots on the sheet of metal mean. If still violate the order of the letters on the stencil, it will be almost impossible to decipher the info.
If use a stencil instead of printed text, this will increase the security of storing information from unauthorized persons.
But the stencil creates an additional weak point: need to save it (loss is fraught with bad consequences forever) and save it from others (it’s not critical without a plate). I think even storage on your PC is possible (can print it when you need it), because it will be just a stencil-template, which in itself doesn't carry anything important. Even if it leaks into the network, it is useless without a plate.
In my opinion, the option with pucks seems to me more interesting - Securing Your Seed Phrase with Washers. But with a slight correction (saw in your thread): put only the first 4 letters of each word on the washer, which will allow to fit 2 words at once (the first 4 letters of each) on 1 washer. This will reduce the number of washers to 12 (in the case of 24 words) and to 6 (in the case of 12 words). This is appropriate if you strive to reduce the object.
- How is the text printed on the plate?
- Can text be erased?
Your business model is ideal for the lazy, and for the rest I can offer a cheap version.
Hammer and marker can buy at any hardware store (or look in your toolbox). I don't think that a piece of this inox plate will also be difficult to find. It is unlikely that you will be able to find the right size in the store, but in principle it is possible to find it (or cut it to the right size on your own).
Instead of putting text on the plate, can use a stencil (template) containing numbers, letters, cells as on your metall plate. Apply a stencil on top of the plate and make marks, after which remove the stencil and get a clean plate with dots in a chaotic manner. Try to understand and guess what the dots on the sheet of metal mean. If still violate the order of the letters on the stencil, it will be almost impossible to decipher the info.
If use a stencil instead of printed text, this will increase the security of storing information from unauthorized persons.
Something like this, but instead of this drawing, draw your table with cells, letters and numbers.
But the stencil creates an additional weak point: need to save it (loss is fraught with bad consequences forever) and save it from others (it’s not critical without a plate). I think even storage on your PC is possible (can print it when you need it), because it will be just a stencil-template, which in itself doesn't carry anything important. Even if it leaks into the network, it is useless without a plate.
In my opinion, the option with pucks seems to me more interesting - Securing Your Seed Phrase with Washers. But with a slight correction (saw in your thread): put only the first 4 letters of each word on the washer, which will allow to fit 2 words at once (the first 4 letters of each) on 1 washer. This will reduce the number of washers to 12 (in the case of 24 words) and to 6 (in the case of 12 words). This is appropriate if you strive to reduce the object.
are in contact and have the address to ship the plate for testing.
if i have in den next 2-3 weeks time for that, i will create a test plate and send it to him for a test / review.
i'm also interestet to the result of that kind of test.
best regards,
Willi
if i have in den next 2-3 weeks time for that, i will create a test plate and send it to him for a test / review.
i'm also interestet to the result of that kind of test.
best regards,
Willi
Hasn't been tested there yet, but it's a good idea and can be done.
In my opinion, however, the Seed Plate should do very well here, because stainless steel in the thickness should be very resistant.
If nothing else, sending it to Lopp for testing would certainly bring more attention to your stainless steel plate, and who knows maybe it gets rated high on the table.In my opinion, however, the Seed Plate should do very well here, because stainless steel in the thickness should be very resistant.
He was testing all of them for corrosion, crush test, heat, price and gives them overall rating.
Not all stainless steel are equal, and more thickness is better for sure
PS
Let us know if you decide to send him plate for testing, I would love to read review.
Hasn't been tested there yet, but it's a good idea and can be done.
In my opinion, however, the Seed Plate should do very well here, because stainless steel in the thickness should be very resistant.
Best regards,
Willi
In my opinion, however, the Seed Plate should do very well here, because stainless steel in the thickness should be very resistant.
Best regards,
Willi
Get the topic back into the top of the topic and a short hint to save shipping cost. a hint to my solid Bitcoin coin ...
Stainless Steel is super cool metal for backing up seed phrase, but I don't like the idea of combining words and letters in grid system for seed words.Much cheaper alternative for this is using stainless steel washers, that become my personal favorite and other members in forum created additional tools and instructions for that.
Back on your plate, I have a question, did you send it for extreme testing to Jameson Lopp, to see if it will survive and what rating it has?
https://blog.lopp.net/tag/cold-storage/
https://jlopp.github.io/metal-bitcoin-storage-reviews/
Get the topic back into the top of the topic and a short hint to save shipping cost. a hint to my solid Bitcoin coin ...
40mm x 3mm 30g Bitcoin Coin (loadable and customizable coin)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sale-40mm-x-3mm-30g-bitcoin-coin-loadable-and-customizable-coin-5382457
Best Regards,
Willi
40mm x 3mm 30g Bitcoin Coin (loadable and customizable coin)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sale-40mm-x-3mm-30g-bitcoin-coin-loadable-and-customizable-coin-5382457
Best Regards,
Willi
also in 6mm plate version
Do you give discounts for bulk orders?
i send you a PM and ask for more details of a possible bulk order Do you give discounts for bulk orders?
Yes, please contact me per PM.the Seed Plate is now also in the 1-24 version available
Do you give discounts for bulk orders?
Allright I feel kind of dumb but... I can't figure out how to use it to store a seed phrase
Seed information
Each seed word can be uniquely identified by its first 4 letters, so 4 letters per seed word is all you need. Please mark the first 4 letters of each of your 12 seed words to keep your Bitcoin seed safe. if you have a 24 word seed, you need two plates.
https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0039/english.txt
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