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Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on March 22, 2023, 03:16:33 AM

Quote from: Kakmakr on March 22, 2023, 02:48:04 AM

I started with Stake.com from almost the day that it launched, so I was around when they had no huge sponsorship contracts with soccer teams and the UFC and celebrities like Drake. So back in those days, there were only a few original games and then a few Slots were added... but the players won regularly and the "Chat" was full of bet ID's being posted by people winning on these games.

Since then Stake.com has started to aggressively marketing the casino and signed HUGE contracts with large soccer teams and celebrities and added a load of paid streamers. In my opinion Stake original games have been nerf'ed to @!#%^ to pay for all that marketing and people are winning way less now.

My question is this.... When will the aggressive marketing be toned down and more focus be placed on gambler experience? (Better RTP and improved hardware) ?

If stake.com is still having a positive impact from this marketing then there is no way to stop it of course every cost spent has a feedback
So for your question maybe we don't have the answer at least for now Cheesy

but I still support your suggestion although I don't really understand about RPT
By the way can the casino set the RPT like what do they want? I honestly don't understand how RPT works I think it's determined by providers like Pragmatic.

Obviously it is still working, because the daily online count are rising over time, but it is at a cost to the current players. The Slot provider offers a RTP percentage to the casino and they tell them what they want, then the Slot provider configure the Slot for that casino to that request. (In-house games does not work through Slot providers, because the casino controls that)

The more money spend on marketing and promotions must be funded from a higher income, so they have to increase something to get that... guess what it is. Wink

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Quote from: Silberman on March 22, 2023, 02:26:47 PM

I think of gambling in the same way I think about going to a restaurant, there may be more economic food served at the restaurant, but if you are going there then you are doing it to eat food that will be too hard for you to make or simply to have a bite of something delicious, so the cost while important should not be the main concern, and gambling is the same, there are games like blackjack that with the right strategy you can reduce the edge of the house in a significant way, but if blackjack does not entertain you then you need to find other game which does.

Actually gambling is very much different like people going to restaurants.
We go to a restaurant with the aim of eating, it is clearly a human need and we all need it, while gambling is a place where we bet or play with the aim of winning or profiting. owned by most people when they want money more quickly and easily.
Gambling is an activity that is actually not good for some people because by gambling they lose many valuable things in their lives but gambling has been around for a long time and has mushroomed in every circle so for now gambling is considered a top priority by most people outside there.

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Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on March 21, 2023, 02:47:57 AM

I know I repeat myself but there is no base amount. My girlfriend’s platinum 1 account gets 0.08$ weekly bonus, great base amount, right. I have showed the screenshot some days ago.

Obviously her account is kind of inactive and she rarely uses it but a so called base amount should be the minimum for everybody, and that’s obviously not the case. I have read of inactive and platinum 2 and 3 accounts in the stake forum that also just get 8 cent weekly, so for that the vip level also doesn’t matter so it seems.

So people here really should stop talking about a base amount because it’s simply false information.

That was basically the purpose of it when it all first started, to give people return what they lose, and if your girlfriend didn't lose anything then it makes no sense for stake to give something to her. The vip level matters based on how much of it you can get back, as in lets say you are 2 level different from each other, one could get 10 the other could get 20 for the same amount of loss.

There is no "base" amount if you haven't gambled a single cent, it all depends on how much you wagered and how much you lost. There were even differences between people on the same level and same loss give or take, which is why I think there is at least one more thing involved, I don't know what but there is one more thing.

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Quote from: Ryu_Ar1 on March 20, 2023, 02:26:23 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on March 20, 2023, 08:45:20 AM

Yes, don't look for a slot with the highest RTP, rather, look for the most entertaining one(For you, and at this moment, because different people are entertained by different things, and even one person can be entertained by different types of slots in different periods of time). There are times when I want nothing more than Stake Originals. And in other times I want to play other slots. Basically, if you play a slot you like it's win-win for you: you either win money, or you get the fun you want.

I agree with this, even though we really don't get profit in the form of money later, of course there are other things, namely pleasure that is sought because this is also one of the goals in gambling, considering that in terms of gambling, even though it cannot be denied that we always want to get profit, but On the other hand, we also have to be aware of other things, especially the initial goal is to have fun by relaxing ourselves from existing fatigue, so it's not bad to do whatever we want by gambling anywhere and having fun at it.

I think of gambling in the same way I think about going to a restaurant, there may be more economic food served at the restaurant, but if you are going there then you are doing it to eat food that will be too hard for you to make or simply to have a bite of something delicious, so the cost while important should not be the main concern, and gambling is the same, there are games like blackjack that with the right strategy you can reduce the edge of the house in a significant way, but if blackjack does not entertain you then you need to find other game which does.

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Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on March 22, 2023, 03:16:33 AM

By the way can the casino set the RPT like what do they want? I honestly don't understand how RPT works I think it's determined by providers like Pragmatic.

You will get answers (YES & NO). Because the answer is speculated answer by user, IMO this one only can be answer the provider who are provided the slot but they will tell you all-RTP are from the provider it self and there is no casino who have different RTP from the same provider.
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Fun-fact, In bitcointalk forum there has some case while a fight between provider & scam casino tell everyone the result not legits and the provider register & vouch by them self the result bet was legits (due of that, they ended the corporation with the casino because damaging their reputation).

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on March 21, 2023, 01:48:12 PM

Quote from: Ryu_Ar1 on March 20, 2023, 02:26:23 PM

I agree with this, even though we really don't get profit in the form of money later, of course there are other things, namely pleasure that is sought because this is also one of the goals in gambling, considering that in terms of gambling, even though it cannot be denied that we always want to get profit, but On the other hand, we also have to be aware of other things, especially the initial goal is to have fun by relaxing ourselves from existing fatigue, so it's not bad to do whatever we want by gambling anywhere and having fun at it.

Because the original goal is to have fun, so if you lose, you won't be too disappointed. I don't deny that winning will make me happier, but if I had that initial goal in the beginning then I wouldn't get pleasure from losing.
It comes back to each of us, looking for a high RTP is also not a problem, because maybe a high RTP will make us win in the end. But for me personally the RTP is not always the main thing, I just play where I want, even though in terms of RTP it is very low.

There is no need to be naive about this because even with our conditions, having fun is the main goal, but still, the victory will be felt very much if it does happen in the gambling that is carried out, and precisely with that victory, of course, we will be happier, of course.
It also doesn't matter when we choose a high RTP because it's also not prohibited, especially if we do our own gambling, but of course that's just an option because we really see from the conditions when talking about choices, we really make our own decisions and we know what to expect. we need for ourselves.

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Quote from: CYBER_COWBOY on March 20, 2023, 03:48:49 PM

Can I see how much I lost total and won total somewhere how my +/- is?

You can check your overall profit (win/lose) stats by requesting about it to their live support. Just tell them that you want to see your win/lose stats of each coin.

Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on March 22, 2023, 03:16:33 AM

By the way can the casino set the RPT like what do they want? I honestly don't understand how RPT works I think it's determined by providers like Pragmatic.

Some slots game has different RTP. Casino can choose a RTP variant to add it on their website. But most of the slots have fixed RTP, and you may find the slots RTP information on the slots provider website.

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Quote from: o48o on March 21, 2023, 03:01:28 PM

Good answer. I am not playing top rtp games. I rather chase for jackpots as the idea of getting huge win with small amount is way more satisfying then slowly grinding high rtp slots.

Imho the big wins and fun is why i am here. Big wins and fun comes from slots and just fun for betting. Unless i am betting combo bets, which i rarely do anymore. It's just too much to track for my taste. I want to be there real time to see when the winning happens.

For those who are chasing a high RTP, you can be sure they are chasing victory, yes, even though that's not wrong. But from my experience the RTP is not what determines the big win, but it comes back to our luck.
I have a friend who is also addicted to gambling, he rarely even wins. I tried to see how he played and what I saw was that he had a very big ambition to win. He did not enjoy the game, and when the rounds were not good he often said harsh words. When I saw that, I concluded that the more we pursue victory, the farther away the victory will be.

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Quote from: BitcoinHunt3r on March 22, 2023, 03:16:33 AM

Quote from: Kakmakr on March 22, 2023, 02:48:04 AM

-snip-

If stake.com is still having a positive impact from this marketing then there is no way to stop it of course every cost spent has a feedback
So for your question maybe we don't have the answer at least for now Cheesy

but I still support your suggestion although I don't really understand about RPT
By the way can the casino set the RPT like what do they want? I honestly don't understand how RPT works I think it's determined by providers like Pragmatic.

First of all, it is RTP not RPT

Secondly he is focusing on the RTP for the original games by Stake instead of the 3rd party games, RTP for the original games usually called by House Edge.
Last but not least, it seems that he is trying to say that the house edge of Stake's original games are not fixed to 1% because of his bad experience playing the original games by comparing his past experience (better) before the huge advertisement to his present experience (bad).

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Quote from: BlackyJacky on March 22, 2023, 12:12:30 AM

The criminals behind Stake are not willing to withdraw from their scams towards me!

Looks like they believe they are untouchable!

Can you please be more straightforward my friend, and explain what your problem is, if you have any so that you can be helped by any of Stake's representatives here present on the forum. Or moreover issue a scam accusation on the right sub-board of the forum, where it will be investigated, and if you are proven to be innocent, and not have violated any of stake casino's terms and conditions, I'm sure you will be grant full access to your withdrawer in full, rather than just making a generalized statement

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Quote from: Kakmakr on March 22, 2023, 02:48:04 AM

I started with Stake.com from almost the day that it launched, so I was around when they had no huge sponsorship contracts with soccer teams and the UFC and celebrities like Drake. So back in those days, there were only a few original games and then a few Slots were added... but the players won regularly and the "Chat" was full of bet ID's being posted by people winning on these games.

Since then Stake.com has started to aggressively marketing the casino and signed HUGE contracts with large soccer teams and celebrities and added a load of paid streamers. In my opinion Stake original games have been nerf'ed to @!#%^ to pay for all that marketing and people are winning way less now.

My question is this.... When will the aggressive marketing be toned down and more focus be placed on gambler experience? (Better RTP and improved hardware) ?

If stake.com is still having a positive impact from this marketing then there is no way to stop it of course every cost spent has a feedback
So for your question maybe we don't have the answer at least for now Cheesy

but I still support your suggestion although I don't really understand about RPT
By the way can the casino set the RPT like what do they want? I honestly don't understand how RPT works I think it's determined by providers like Pragmatic.

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I started with Stake.com from almost the day that it launched, so I was around when they had no huge sponsorship contracts with soccer teams and the UFC and celebrities like Drake. So back in those days, there were only a few original games and then a few Slots were added... but the players won regularly and the "Chat" was full of bet ID's being posted by people winning on these games.

Since then Stake.com has started to aggressively marketing the casino and signed HUGE contracts with large soccer teams and celebrities and added a load of paid streamers. In my opinion Stake original games have been nerf'ed to @!#%^ to pay for all that marketing and people are winning way less now.

My question is this.... When will the aggressive marketing be toned down and more focus be placed on gambler experience? (Better RTP and improved hardware) ?

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on March 21, 2023, 01:48:12 PM

Because the original goal is to have fun, so if you lose, you won't be too disappointed. I don't deny that winning will make me happier, but if I had that initial goal in the beginning then I wouldn't get pleasure from losing.
It comes back to each of us, looking for a high RTP is also not a problem, because maybe a high RTP will make us win in the end. But for me personally the RTP is not always the main thing, I just play where I want, even though in terms of RTP it is very low.

Good answer. I am not playing top rtp games. I rather chase for jackpots as the idea of getting huge win with small amount is way more satisfying then slowly grinding high rtp slots.

Imho the big wins and fun is why i am here. Big wins and fun comes from slots and just fun for betting. Unless i am betting combo bets, which i rarely do anymore. It's just too much to track for my taste. I want to be there real time to see when the winning happens.

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Quote from: Ryu_Ar1 on March 20, 2023, 02:26:23 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on March 20, 2023, 08:45:20 AM

Quote from: Ryu_Ar1 on March 13, 2023, 03:25:44 PM

Because basically expecting about RTP is also not entirely a victory in the end.
This is what really needs to be realized even though in this case there will definitely also be people who always look at RTP first, especially by looking at the big win ratio.
I personally still agree with you and @Betwrong here because the initial goal is also to have fun and in this case I am not too obsessed with a large RTP winrate if it is not to my liking.

Yes, don't look for a slot with the highest RTP, rather, look for the most entertaining one(For you, and at this moment, because different people are entertained by different things, and even one person can be entertained by different types of slots in different periods of time). There are times when I want nothing more than Stake Originals. And in other times I want to play other slots. Basically, if you play a slot you like it's win-win for you: you either win money, or you get the fun you want.

I agree with this, even though we really don't get profit in the form of money later, of course there are other things, namely pleasure that is sought because this is also one of the goals in gambling, considering that in terms of gambling, even though it cannot be denied that we always want to get profit, but On the other hand, we also have to be aware of other things, especially the initial goal is to have fun by relaxing ourselves from existing fatigue, so it's not bad to do whatever we want by gambling anywhere and having fun at it.

Because the original goal is to have fun, so if you lose, you won't be too disappointed. I don't deny that winning will make me happier, but if I had that initial goal in the beginning then I wouldn't get pleasure from losing.
It comes back to each of us, looking for a high RTP is also not a problem, because maybe a high RTP will make us win in the end. But for me personally the RTP is not always the main thing, I just play where I want, even though in terms of RTP it is very low.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on March 21, 2023, 02:36:12 AM

they want those people to deposit money and to increase their profits, not just to pay them to gamble on their platform with Stake money. Roll Eyes

Even they realized, people are rely on that.

You still need to wagering, to keep the base amount claim is same. If you're not waggering enough the base amount claim you're gonna to get is keep decreasing until is 0 (while you're not making enough waggering at all).

So even they decrease it, but still depends on the waggering. Grin

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Quote from: ryzaadit on March 20, 2023, 10:12:46 PM

Quote from: danherbias07 on March 20, 2023, 07:30:10 PM

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I don't think they are gonna to do.

Not everything can be implemented, all depends on the demands they're asking. Even with the current system, grapich, layout site and other think they have a massive user. So, IMO the suggestion from a single user will not really taken at all by them.

Based on the your post, you're looking for specific bet. That's mean, you only use the feature maybe 1-5x times in a month or maybe none.

Actually it's not a new feature I can find it in other sportsbook even I can check my betting history in last year
And I'm sure it's not difficult for stake.com to implement it it's just that I'm not sure the feature is important to some people
Like you said if more people wanted it they would provide it.

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Quote from: AHOYBRAUSE on March 21, 2023, 02:47:57 AM

I know I repeat myself but there is no base amount. My girlfriend’s platinum 1 account gets 0.08$ weekly bonus, great base amount, right. I have showed the screenshot some days ago.

Obviously her account is kind of inactive and she rarely uses it but a so called base amount should be the minimum for everybody, and that’s obviously not the case. I have read of inactive and platinum 2 and 3 accounts in the stake forum that also just get 8 cent weekly, so for that the vip level also doesn’t matter so it seems.

So people here really should stop talking about a base amount because it’s simply false information.

Base amount does exist IMO but there must be also at least a requirement to keep the base amount.
Inactive Platinum users get so low bonus does make senses for the business as why casino should give fixed amount every week/month if the accounts are not active anymore for long period of time.
I'm not defending Stake ofc, just saying it in general and in neutral position as I also imagine if I'm an owner of a casino, I will not give bonus for inactive accounts because gambling is a business not a charity.
All in all, it is quite normal and reasonable situation and those inactive account should be thankful enough since they still get few cent although they are no longer making deposit and wagering.

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