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Cranes and rains are made for small players, they make advertising sites, if you remove the free coins that the casino will be closed because there will be no one to promote it . And considering that this casino does not care about the work of its site , it will be closed within a month if small players who play on free coins leave from there, Free coins are a fee for

People who gamble on stake don't need any rain or even faucet. I also think if faucet should't added again since it often got abused by people who tried to make "free money" from that.
Do any of whales even ever click or claim their faucet? I think they never do that

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casinos that do not have free coins spend money on advertising, and casinos that have free coins advertising make players who play with free coins. What is test ? The test is when I can win 0.005 Satoshi with free coins, if I can't do that then the casino is not fair . And when I win and withdraw these coins then the players tell their friends that they have found a good casino, shoot a video and advertisement their game , the big players see that even with free coins there people win and also start playing . But the site
stake.com very bad work , the site administration does not correct the error the website is constantly buggy, they're betting on competitions to attract players, but players leave because the site owner doesn't want to fix bugs of the website, as a result the number of people playing on the website is constantly decreasing

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Quote from: adaseb on July 08, 2019, 02:19:07 AM

Cranes and rains are made for small players, they make advertising sites, if you remove the free coins that the casino will be closed because there will be no one to promote it . And considering that this casino does not care about the work of its site , it will be closed within a month if small players who play on free coins leave from there, Free coins are a fee for

So you are saying that faucet is their only way to promote their site? To increase the players to keep on playing there. Somehow it is pretty right but I can't agree much. First thing, if stake is just some new site starting fresh, thej it might be possible to collapse. But now they are under some big name site a.k.a primdice which is already well known. And if small players dont play there, the site will never collapse. Second thing, do you think they handle thing like other new sites? You must knoe that they are a pro so they will manage things well

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it would cause issues like if there is a bet id or hall of fame. Basically they would need to recode everything for play currency to ignore incrementing the bet id and also ignore functions such as hall of fame or high roller section, etc. So I think its easier for the site to give the user an actual amount of real BTC rather than play money.

why would they need to recode everything? casinos are more than capable of adding more currencies (altcoins) when the time comes, why would play money suddenly be impossibly difficult to implement without recoding literally everything? if your code is that trash and doesn't have any room for additions / expansion, you've no reason running that service in the first place. and bet id's? just keep them separate: id's for bitcoin, separate ones for altcoins, tokens, etc. where's this assumption of yours that both methods of play have to be kept together? and hall of fame? high roller tab? that is trivial compared to shit like this:

Quote from: adaseb on July 08, 2019, 02:19:07 AM

However the abuse started much later on in 2017 when if I recall PD was losing about 20 BTC daily to faucet abuse.

do you honestly think a high roller tab takes precedence over losing tens of thousands to faucet abuse?

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Quote from: Bitinity on July 08, 2019, 05:02:20 AM

Cranes and rains are made for small players, they make advertising sites, if you remove the free coins that the casino will be closed because there will be no one to promote it . And considering that this casino does not care about the work of its site , it will be closed within a month if small players who play on free coins leave from there, Free coins are a fee for

If small players who play with free coins leaves Stake, I doubt it will make the site closed within a month. Simply because the number of real players who play with their own money(deposit) is still huge enough, small players who play with free coins basically gives nothing to the casino. Look at the fact that there are many other casinos that does not even offer free coins regularly for their players, in fact they can survive for long time because the existence of real players. I dont mean to underestimate small players but even if they leave the site, it wont give negative effects to the site.

I would go as far as saying that if Stake removed the 0.00005 doge faucet ( yes this is how much I'm getting per claim now- tried out of curiosity )
literally nothing would happen in terms of popularity , since the faucet there is just for testing purposes since the amount you get is impossible to build up
well , unless you are super extremely lucky and can make a 1 satoshi faucet into something big
I remember the posts on Stake's forum where people managed to hit high multipliers from the faucet , up to 5.000.000 on mines
so now if you manage to hit that in a several year's time , all you get would be 0.05 btc , not worth the effort in my books

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Quote from: subSTRATA on July 07, 2019, 10:27:03 PM

Cranes and rains are made for small players, they make advertising sites, if you remove the free coins that the casino will be closed because there will be no one to promote it . And considering that this casino does not care about the work of its site , it will be closed within a month if small players who play on free coins leave from there, Free coins are a fee for

If small players who play with free coins leaves Stake, I doubt it will make the site closed within a month. Simply because the number of real players who play with their own money(deposit) is still huge enough, small players who play with free coins basically gives nothing to the casino. Look at the fact that there are many other casinos that does not even offer free coins regularly for their players, in fact they can survive for long time because the existence of real players. I dont mean to underestimate small players but even if they leave the site, it wont give negative effects to the site.

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Cranes and rains are made for small players, they make advertising sites, if you remove the free coins that the casino will be closed because there will be no one to promote it . And considering that this casino does not care about the work of its site , it will be closed within a month if small players who play on free coins leave from there, Free coins are a fee for

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honestly, faucets are just a continuation of a tradition at this point; if the casinos really wanted to they could easily just put play money up for the users to test the site with. a sikmilar solution was implemented by bitvest, where the faucet is purely play money now (they can be redeemed for actual coin at a certain threshold) in the form of tokens.

I don't think the primary reason why they keep faucets is because BTC faucets are the pioneer of Bitcoin of 2009/2010. It might be one reason but not the main reason.

I think its easier to just add a very small dust amount of BTC and they can gamble with real currency. If it was play currency, it would cause issues like if there is a bet id or hall of fame. Basically they would need to recode everything for play currency to ignore incrementing the bet id and also ignore functions such as hall of fame or high roller section, etc. So I think its easier for the site to give the user an actual amount of real BTC rather than play money.

This wasn't an issue because back in 2015/2016 most of the BTC faucets were pretty much given back to the casino anyways. However the abuse started much later on in 2017 when if I recall PD was losing about 20 BTC daily to faucet abuse.

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Quote from: dimon121 on July 08, 2019, 12:01:34 AM

Quote from: veleten on July 07, 2019, 12:50:52 PM

Quote from: veleten on July 07, 2019, 12:50:52 PM

permanent error ---- Please try again in a few seconds. Your limit reached ----
After what rates and chat stop, play not perhaps .

it happens randomly to me as well , guess it the update thing that gone wrong
or maybe it is Firefox related , since I'm using firefox and it behaves erratically when I play dice
my chat would freeze after some period of time, randomly and I get network errors
ah and when I leave it to its own devices the stake's page manages to hog 5-8 gigabytes of RAM somehow
hope it is going to get fixed soon since I do not fancy changing my browser ,besides, Chrome users report it as well

This happens all the time, in any browser , there is a suspicion that they have a hidden miner installed on the site

you are funny

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Quote from: ralle14 on July 06, 2019, 12:56:59 PM

permanent error ---- Please try again in a few seconds. Your limit reached ----
After what rates and chat stop, play not perhaps .

it happens randomly to me as well , guess it the update thing that gone wrong
or maybe it is Firefox related , since I'm using firefox and it behaves erratically when I play dice
my chat would freeze after some period of time, randomly and I get network errors
ah and when I leave it to its own devices the stake's page manages to hog 5-8 gigabytes of RAM somehow
hope it is going to get fixed soon since I do not fancy changing my browser ,besides, Chrome users report it as well

This happens all the time, in any browser , there is a suspicion that they have a hidden miner installed on the site

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Quote from: Bitinity on July 06, 2019, 05:18:49 AM

I cant fully agree if disabling faucet can affect the site negatively. The faucet amount is just so small amount while users can earn much more through the rainbot, challenge, forum rewards, and many other promotions. Real gamblers wont really care about faucet in general imho so I think it is OK to remove the faucet.

Maybe they're spending so much on faucets that it's reducing their profits and those amounts could be spent on something better (ads contests,etc) . I also think it's reasonable for them to remove the faucet because the main reason for it is to play without a deposit and we can still do it since they don't have a minimum amount in all of their games. With that said, their faucet becomes a bonus and unncessary.

if you've spent a few minutes in any online crypto casino, you'll come to notice there's a fair number of users that will literally sit on the site and farm the faucet trying to make meager amounts to withdraw over and over. it's only a few cents, sure, but factor in that there might be dozens, hundreds of users trying this multiple times a day and it adds up.

Quote from: mindrust on July 07, 2019, 02:07:30 PM

I think the faucets will pretty soon be a thing of the past. Basically the faucet was invented to try out Bitcoin without having to go thru the hassle of buying it or mining it. And the purpose of the faucet with a gambling site was to try out the site or the type of game before actually going thru the hassle of doing a deposit. Because if someone didn't like dice, or the speed of the site, or the features of the site it would be annoying having to make a deposit, pay a miner fee, and then the site would have to pay another fee for the withdraw. Hence why the faucet was invented.

However as 2017 rolled around, there was massive amounts of abuse with the faucets. Basically I think it was like 0.1% or so that abused it but they took 99% of all the faucet payouts and the site had no other choice but to disable it. Because those faucet abusers almost never made a deposit and contributed nothing to the gambling website.

Hence why you will see more and more sites use tokens or some type of demo play to test out the site. Since it was becoming very troublesome and took too much man hours to sort thru all those withdraw requests which were purely out of faucet earnings.

honestly, faucets are just a continuation of a tradition at this point; if the casinos really wanted to they could easily just put play money up for the users to test the site with. a sikmilar solution was implemented by bitvest, where the faucet is purely play money now (they can be redeemed for actual coin at a certain threshold) in the form of tokens.

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Quote from: mindrust on July 07, 2019, 02:07:30 PM

I think the faucets will pretty soon be a thing of the past. Basically the faucet was invented to try out Bitcoin without having to go thru the hassle of buying it or mining it. And the purpose of the faucet with a gambling site was to try out the site or the type of game before actually going thru the hassle of doing a deposit. Because if someone didn't like dice, or the speed of the site, or the features of the site it would be annoying having to make a deposit, pay a miner fee, and then the site would have to pay another fee for the withdraw. Hence why the faucet was invented.

However as 2017 rolled around, there was massive amounts of abuse with the faucets. Basically I think it was like 0.1% or so that abused it but they took 99% of all the faucet payouts and the site had no other choice but to disable it. Because those faucet abusers almost never made a deposit and contributed nothing to the gambling website.

Hence why you will see more and more sites use tokens or some type of demo play to test out the site. Since it was becoming very troublesome and took too much man hours to sort thru all those withdraw requests which were purely out of faucet earnings.

It is easy to counter faucet abusers.

Put a 5 min cooldown and reduce the amount to 1 satoshi. If this is not going to suffice, just cancel any withdrawal requests if the player didn't deposit any coins from his own pocket. (this is a bit extreme but its a valid option)

The faucet ,as you said, is there for you to try the casino, nothing else.

If i recall correctly both Primedice and Stake won't allow faucet farmers withdrawing without making a first deposit into their account for safety reasons and abuse prevention as stated.

I just do not know if that is still a thing currently.

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I think the faucets will pretty soon be a thing of the past. Basically the faucet was invented to try out Bitcoin without having to go thru the hassle of buying it or mining it. And the purpose of the faucet with a gambling site was to try out the site or the type of game before actually going thru the hassle of doing a deposit. Because if someone didn't like dice, or the speed of the site, or the features of the site it would be annoying having to make a deposit, pay a miner fee, and then the site would have to pay another fee for the withdraw. Hence why the faucet was invented.

However as 2017 rolled around, there was massive amounts of abuse with the faucets. Basically I think it was like 0.1% or so that abused it but they took 99% of all the faucet payouts and the site had no other choice but to disable it. Because those faucet abusers almost never made a deposit and contributed nothing to the gambling website.

Hence why you will see more and more sites use tokens or some type of demo play to test out the site. Since it was becoming very troublesome and took too much man hours to sort thru all those withdraw requests which were purely out of faucet earnings.

It is easy to counter faucet abusers.

Put a 5 min cooldown and reduce the amount to 1 satoshi. If this is not going to suffice, just cancel any withdrawal requests if the player didn't deposit any coins from his own pocket. (this is a bit extreme but its a valid option)

The faucet ,as you said, is there for you to try the casino, nothing else.

I agree, many people prefer the faucet. Yes, there might be other taking advantage of the service at the moment but this can easily be regulated. Plus, if the casino owners want people to get to trust them then isn't it only fair that the casino owners trust their potential customers by providing the faucet? Its a 2 way relationsiph and I think it is important to maintain it too.

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I think the faucets will pretty soon be a thing of the past. Basically the faucet was invented to try out Bitcoin without having to go thru the hassle of buying it or mining it. And the purpose of the faucet with a gambling site was to try out the site or the type of game before actually going thru the hassle of doing a deposit. Because if someone didn't like dice, or the speed of the site, or the features of the site it would be annoying having to make a deposit, pay a miner fee, and then the site would have to pay another fee for the withdraw. Hence why the faucet was invented.

However as 2017 rolled around, there was massive amounts of abuse with the faucets. Basically I think it was like 0.1% or so that abused it but they took 99% of all the faucet payouts and the site had no other choice but to disable it. Because those faucet abusers almost never made a deposit and contributed nothing to the gambling website.

Hence why you will see more and more sites use tokens or some type of demo play to test out the site. Since it was becoming very troublesome and took too much man hours to sort thru all those withdraw requests which were purely out of faucet earnings.

It is easy to counter faucet abusers.

Put a 5 min cooldown and reduce the amount to 1 satoshi. If this is not going to suffice, just cancel any withdrawal requests if the player didn't deposit any coins from his own pocket. (this is a bit extreme but its a valid option)

The faucet ,as you said, is there for you to try the casino, nothing else.

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permanent error ---- Please try again in a few seconds. Your limit reached ----
After what rates and chat stop, play not perhaps .

it happens randomly to me as well , guess it the update thing that gone wrong
or maybe it is Firefox related , since I'm using firefox and it behaves erratically when I play dice
my chat would freeze after some period of time, randomly and I get network errors
ah and when I leave it to its own devices the stake's page manages to hog 5-8 gigabytes of RAM somehow
hope it is going to get fixed soon since I do not fancy changing my browser ,besides, Chrome users report it as well

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