If you do this and are indeed not Micon you are at least more intelligent then he is.
What if we're using one's ability to not lose money to obvious scams as a metric for intelligence? AA-.
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If you do this and are indeed not Micon you are at least more intelligent then he is.
What if we're using one's ability to not lose money to obvious scams as a metric for intelligence? AA-.
Obviously there is no way that a grown man who loves a children's cartoon would be running a scam either maliciously or ignorantly. I rate the accusations against Patrick AAA-.
In the case of Micon, there are ways to have logical discussion and explain your point of view. Micon did it the wrong way, and in the process made almost everyone hate him, and then joined up with sealswithclubs and as a result tainting their image along the way IMO. Other users that a lot of people "hate" joelkatz, phinneaus gauge, loupgaroux, all of which (and there are others those are just off the top of my head) are often hated on the forums but have excellent arguments and tend to reveal angles we had not considered. Micon could have gone this route and earned much needed clout, instead he made almost all of us hate him with his belligerence.
He whined and created controversy (which, by the way, did wonders to provide publicity for BS&T and brought in a bunch of new victims) whilst some of us were trying to investigate the scam properly and calmly explaining the facts of the matter. By attacking outright the entire lending forum, he managed to appear as an amusing tinfoil-hatter (just look at his accusations in the most recent pages of the Vescudero thread) and so potential Pirate marks didn't listen to him.
By diverting the forum away from proper, civilised debate Micon made it much more difficult for the rest of us to point out the obvious.
By diverting the forum away from proper, civilised debate Micon made it much more difficult for the rest of us to point out the obvious.
I definitely understand where you are coming from. He can be quite rabid. He seems to be on a well intentioned, but ill judged crusade against Bitcoin scamming. I can see why he is so virulent though. Bitcoin scams are a really destructive influence on the whole system. I've already made my initial and only cash investment into Bitcoins back many times. I still hold a lot of coins, but even if the system disintegrates totally I am coming out a winner. However, I can see that if someone had a lot more to lose they might be quite acrimonious when dealing with scams of such a huge magnitude that they could destabilize the system.
To put it more simply: Bitcoin is a tiny, tiny economy in real terms. It's easy for people to move the markets with transactions that would be miniscule in the real world. If someone pulls off a huge scam then it could easily negatively effect the price of everyone's coins. So because a lot of dumb fucks don't know the meaning of due diligence, we all end up losing money. When you take that into consideration, I think Micon can be forgiven for foaming at the mouth a bit.
I agree with you though, the guy should have toned it down a bit.
With regards to Vescudero, I made my point in the thread about how I felt. I don't agree with Micon that he is necessarily going for a bigger con at a more auspicious time, but he has definitely behaved suspiciously. He's run a loss making enterprise, seemingly for the purposes of gaining the trust and goodwill of the community very quickly. I am not saying he necessarily has nefarious motives, but he behaved suspiciously and future enterprises of his should definitely be treated with suspicion and not renewed trust. No one should be allowed to buy trust like that. Pretty tricky to get that into the heads of those who have the lovely sweet taste of free coins in their mouth though.
I'll get out of this thread now, but a final point: Bitcoin is anonymous and irreversible. We all know this. At the moment, because of how people are using it, it is its greatest weakness. It should be its greatest strength.
Micon is a little bit crazy. Most pro poker players are. However, he had the wisdom, the foresight and the kindness to warn everyone about these ponzi schemes. The fact that you chose to ignore him is testament to your own lack of wisdom. A fool and his money are easily parted.
He whined and created controversy (which, by the way, did wonders to provide publicity for BS&T and brought in a bunch of new victims) whilst some of us were trying to investigate the scam properly and calmly explaining the facts of the matter. By attacking outright the entire lending forum, he managed to appear as an amusing tinfoil-hatter (just look at his accusations in the most recent pages of the Vescudero thread) and so potential Pirate marks didn't listen to him.
By diverting the forum away from proper, civilised debate Micon made it much more difficult for the rest of us to point out the obvious.
This all looks like mosrite to me again.
I don't even know who that is.
Micon - "I am not the law, but my parents were siblings" *
*Yes I am fighting him at his level, perhaps then he'll leave?
*Yes I am fighting him at his level, perhaps then he'll leave?
It's funny how you insult people by calling them "inbred", implying some kind of intellectual deficiency.
Don't you see how ridiculous that is when those you insult still have all their coins, yet you were dumb enough to invest in every single ponzi available?
If you had listened to Bryan Micon instead of insulting him, you would still have your coins. Now, because you were so ignorant and unwise, you have lost god knows how many.
Micon is a little bit crazy. Most pro poker players are. However, he had the wisdom, the foresight and the kindness to warn everyone about these ponzi schemes. The fact that you chose to ignore him is testament to your own lack of wisdom. A fool and his money are easily parted.
I just can't believe that, considering the embarrassing position you have put yourself in, you have the audacity to insult him or anyone else. Maybe it's some pathetic way to regain some dignity in this situation? I can't believe that you have lost so much money and instead of thinking "Fuck maybe I should have listened to that guy who was telling everyone it was a big scam" you are like "I am going to insult a guy who tried to warn me." It's beyond juvenile and beyond stupid.
It actually makes so little sense that you have me wondering if your parents actually are related in some way and your comments are some kind of projection to deal with the shame of losing money in obviously unsound "investments" and the worry that it might somehow be connected to the fact that your folks were 2nd cousins or something. I don't know, I am just speculating about why you are acting in such a bizarre and obnoxious way.
This all looks like mosrite to me again.
FIrst off, I'm not Bryan Micon. If you want to get an admin to confirm this via IP then go ahead. I'm not connecting through a proxy, either open or private, just a normal ISP on a different continent from where Micon says he lives. Also I checked and my account is older than his, so I think the fact I'm not him should be obvious to most. I only know of him from his posts on this forum and I haven't even spoken to the guy.
Secondly, to compare your situation to someone in a car accident is incredibly disrespectful to anyone who has died in a car accident. Do you honestly think that investing in high yield investment schemes, with pseudo-anonymous individuals, using a completely unregulated currency, in what amounts to a shadow economy is comparable in safety to driving a car? Are you genuinely comparing the two?
Let me guess, you just got unlucky and the car you were driving got into an accident. Well, several accidents. Well, actually, every time you ever drove a car you got in an accident. But cars aren't at fault, you were just unlucky, right?
I do enjoy mocking you, not because you are in an unfortunate situation but because you completely fail to understand why you are in that situation. If you had learned a hard lesson I would feel sorry for you and I certainly wouldn't be rubbing it in, but your complete lack of contriteness shows you haven't learned a thing. I'm not mocking you because you were dumb enough to be scammed. I am mocking you because you are so dumb that you don't seem willing or able to analyze that situation, realize where you went wrong, and learn from the experience. I don't just think you are stupid, I am blown away by your staggering inability to think. The great thing is that you are also arrogant, which allows me to give myself permission to find it hilarious without feeling like a vicious and mean bastard. The only thing that would make it unfunny is if you were responsible for anyone's welfare but your own. That would just be deeply sad.
Secondly, to compare your situation to someone in a car accident is incredibly disrespectful to anyone who has died in a car accident. Do you honestly think that investing in high yield investment schemes, with pseudo-anonymous individuals, using a completely unregulated currency, in what amounts to a shadow economy is comparable in safety to driving a car? Are you genuinely comparing the two?
Let me guess, you just got unlucky and the car you were driving got into an accident. Well, several accidents. Well, actually, every time you ever drove a car you got in an accident. But cars aren't at fault, you were just unlucky, right?
I do enjoy mocking you, not because you are in an unfortunate situation but because you completely fail to understand why you are in that situation. If you had learned a hard lesson I would feel sorry for you and I certainly wouldn't be rubbing it in, but your complete lack of contriteness shows you haven't learned a thing. I'm not mocking you because you were dumb enough to be scammed. I am mocking you because you are so dumb that you don't seem willing or able to analyze that situation, realize where you went wrong, and learn from the experience. I don't just think you are stupid, I am blown away by your staggering inability to think. The great thing is that you are also arrogant, which allows me to give myself permission to find it hilarious without feeling like a vicious and mean bastard. The only thing that would make it unfunny is if you were responsible for anyone's welfare but your own. That would just be deeply sad.
With the same knowledge I would make the same choices.
This is precisely why you are such an idiot.
Again, I think it's ridiculous that you have the balls to call me a retard when you have willingly handed your money over to so many poorly run investment schemes and outright ponzi scammers. I had the same knowledge as you. I made a different choice. I suspect this is due to wisdom and intelligence. You have been absolutely raped by obvious scams that I saw a mile away. I haven't lost a single satoshi, yet you call me a retard? Like I say, I think lashing out is your way trying to hold on to a little scrap of dignity. Aww, poor you. Haha, you are doing about as good a job of hanging onto your dignity as you did at hanging on to your coins.
Nevermind, this must be another Micon puppet. Mosrite couldnt create full sentences.
Hello Mr. Hand.
With the same knowledge I would make the same choices.
This is precisely why you are such an idiot.
Again, I think it's ridiculous that you have the balls to call me a retard when you have willingly handed your money over to so many poorly run investment schemes and outright ponzi scammers. I had the same knowledge as you. I made a different choice. I suspect this is due to wisdom and intelligence. You have been absolutely raped by obvious scams that I saw a mile away. I haven't lost a single satoshi, yet you call me a retard? Like I say, I think lashing out is your way trying to hold on to a little scrap of dignity. Aww, poor you. Haha, you are doing about as good a job of hanging onto your dignity as you did at hanging on to your coins.
Micon - "I am not the law, but my parents were siblings" *
*Yes I am fighting him at his level, perhaps then he'll leave?
*Yes I am fighting him at his level, perhaps then he'll leave?
It's funny how you insult people by calling them "inbred", implying some kind of intellectual deficiency.
Don't you see how ridiculous that is when those you insult still have all their coins, yet you were dumb enough to invest in every single ponzi available?
If you had listened to Bryan Micon instead of insulting him, you would still have your coins. Now, because you were so ignorant and unwise, you have lost god knows how many.
Micon is a little bit crazy. Most pro poker players are. However, he had the wisdom, the foresight and the kindness to warn everyone about these ponzi schemes. The fact that you chose to ignore him is testament to your own lack of wisdom. A fool and his money are easily parted.
I just can't believe that, considering the embarrassing position you have put yourself in, you have the audacity to insult him or anyone else. Maybe it's some pathetic way to regain some dignity in this situation? I can't believe that you have lost so much money and instead of thinking "Fuck maybe I should have listened to that guy who was telling everyone it was a big scam" you are like "I am going to insult a guy who tried to warn me." It's beyond juvenile and beyond stupid.
It actually makes so little sense that you have me wondering if your parents actually are related in some way and your comments are some kind of projection to deal with the shame of losing money in obviously unsound "investments" and the worry that it might somehow be connected to the fact that your folks were 2nd cousins or something. I don't know, I am just speculating about why you are acting in such a bizarre and obnoxious way.
Wow, it took Mosrite a while to get out of the newbie area.
Micon is a little bit crazy. Most pro poker players are. However, he had the wisdom, the foresight and the kindness to warn everyone about these ponzi schemes. The fact that you chose to ignore him is testament to your own lack of wisdom. A fool and his money are easily parted.
If he was actually decent at poker he'd knew the flaws of result oriented thinking. With the same knowledge I would make the same choices.
Oh and btw, you and Micon are both retarded and should fuck off.
Micon - "I am not the law, but my parents were siblings" *
*Yes I am fighting him at his level, perhaps then he'll leave?
*Yes I am fighting him at his level, perhaps then he'll leave?
It's funny how you insult people by calling them "inbred", implying some kind of intellectual deficiency.
Don't you see how ridiculous that is when those you insult still have all their coins, yet you were dumb enough to invest in every single ponzi available?
If you had listened to Bryan Micon instead of insulting him, you would still have your coins. Now, because you were so ignorant and unwise, you have lost god knows how many.
Micon is a little bit crazy. Most pro poker players are. However, he had the wisdom, the foresight and the kindness to warn everyone about these ponzi schemes. The fact that you chose to ignore him is testament to your own lack of wisdom. A fool and his money are easily parted.
I just can't believe that, considering the embarrassing position you have put yourself in, you have the audacity to insult him or anyone else. Maybe it's some pathetic way to regain some dignity in this situation? I can't believe that you have lost so much money and instead of thinking "Fuck maybe I should have listened to that guy who was telling everyone it was a big scam" you are like "I am going to insult a guy who tried to warn me." It's beyond juvenile and beyond stupid.
It actually makes so little sense that you have me wondering if your parents actually are related in some way and your comments are some kind of projection to deal with the shame of losing money in obviously unsound "investments" and the worry that it might somehow be connected to the fact that your folks were 2nd cousins or something. I don't know, I am just speculating about why you are acting in such a bizarre and obnoxious way.
Remember the old 80's UK gameshow 'Blankety Blank'?
Les Dawson may not be with us no more, but the fun and merriment can still continue.
"I'm not the law, but I represent .................."
Fill in the blank.
Les Dawson may not be with us no more, but the fun and merriment can still continue.
"I'm not the law, but I represent .................."
Fill in the blank.
Micon - "I am not the law, but my parents were siblings" *
that's going in my signature.
Micon - "I am not the law, but my parents were siblings" *
*Yes I am fighting him at his level, perhaps then he'll leave?
*Yes I am fighting him at his level, perhaps then he'll leave?
Just picking up a point that Joel made, it's not simply a case of bad loans (people refusing to pay or those that invested into Pirate and then defaulted). There are also a range of GLBSE assets that have been used to generate income since the start of the year. Some have proven to be very good, others have tanked recently and I'm not keen to sell those at a huge loss unnecessarily, and others have been much more at the scammy end. In looking after this, it's not a case of taking a knee-jerk reaction and panicing and yes, to-date I have taken significant losses. That wasn't helped by losing 8000+BTC of some other obligations that I had relating to PPT, but being one of the few who made good on those promises is separate to this thread. I have also injected a large quantity of cash into the system to cover obligations.
Today, seeing the GLBSE is doing whatever it's doing reinforces the non-panic approach.
As for Micon, he's looking for something in particular, and if he bothered to actually understand what was written in this thread he would have realised I have answered his question, just not the way he would like me to. As a non-customer, he's not entitled to a better answer than that.
Today, seeing the GLBSE is doing whatever it's doing reinforces the non-panic approach.
As for Micon, he's looking for something in particular, and if he bothered to actually understand what was written in this thread he would have realised I have answered his question, just not the way he would like me to. As a non-customer, he's not entitled to a better answer than that.
ur playing great kiddo / keep up the good work.
PM me next time you give an AAA+ rating to a scammer or start the next Janken fund.
seriously pack it in home boy. maybe you are a plain 'ole scammer / maybe you are just too stupid to handle bitcoins / either way stop fucking people out of money and funneling "investor" funds into random scams and unlicensed securities.
"oops I lost another $90k"
goooooooo Starfish! (do you know starfish is a slang term for asshole?)
CONFIRMED - Micon had no reply to Patrick, so he had to resort to personal insults. Micon's true colours shining through.
"I'm not the law, but I represent justice." Oh please. LOL
Just picking up a point that Joel made, it's not simply a case of bad loans (people refusing to pay or those that invested into Pirate and then defaulted). There are also a range of GLBSE assets that have been used to generate income since the start of the year. Some have proven to be very good, others have tanked recently and I'm not keen to sell those at a huge loss unnecessarily, and others have been much more at the scammy end. In looking after this, it's not a case of taking a knee-jerk reaction and panicing and yes, to-date I have taken significant losses. That wasn't helped by losing 8000+BTC of some other obligations that I had relating to PPT, but being one of the few who made good on those promises is separate to this thread. I have also injected a large quantity of cash into the system to cover obligations.
Today, seeing the GLBSE is doing whatever it's doing reinforces the non-panic approach.
As for Micon, he's looking for something in particular, and if he bothered to actually understand what was written in this thread he would have realised I have answered his question, just not the way he would like me to. As a non-customer, he's not entitled to a better answer than that.
Today, seeing the GLBSE is doing whatever it's doing reinforces the non-panic approach.
As for Micon, he's looking for something in particular, and if he bothered to actually understand what was written in this thread he would have realised I have answered his question, just not the way he would like me to. As a non-customer, he's not entitled to a better answer than that.
ur playing great kiddo / keep up the good work.
PM me next time you give an AAA+ rating to a scammer or start the next Janken fund.
seriously pack it in home boy. maybe you are a plain 'ole scammer / maybe you are just too stupid to handle bitcoins / either way stop fucking people out of money and funneling "investor" funds into random scams and unlicensed securities.
"oops I lost another $90k"
goooooooo Starfish! (do you know starfish is a slang term for asshole?)
For the second week in a row I got a good part of my medium sized deposit back. Including Interest. Thanks Patrick.
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