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sr. member
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July 29, 2016, 05:03:13 AM
Can someone please tell me how much money Steem has given away to bloggers thus far? I want to compute an estimate of their acquisition cost per signup. That cost is all the money they are paying out to bloggers.

I want to compare with the typical acquisition cost for other social networks.

Links I found which are relevant, but I don't have time to write down any thoughts about these:

https://www.flirtbox.co.uk/free-dating/2015/10/31/free-dating-sites-vs-premium-dating-sites/

https://www.tradingfloor.com/posts/linkedin--paying-up-for-new-users-23824678

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-user-acquisition-cost-for-a-Facebook-game

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jan/28/how-much-are-you-worth-to-facebook

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tristanlouis/2013/08/31/how-much-is-a-user-worth/

http://mashable.com/2013/12/05/revenue-per-user-metrics/

http://www.forentrepreneurs.com/startup-killer/
sr. member
Activity: 336
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July 29, 2016, 03:43:49 AM
If they think it through, and how many potential issues it can have in a mature ecosystem, they'll probably cancel it.

Afaik, they can't cancel it. I presume they chose to optimize away a couple of bytes per transaction and thus they must normalize the balances every 3 years at current 100% annual growth in the money supply.

The reason I was aware of this optimization is I had read about some of Graphene's design decisions back when I challenged the claim of 100,000 TPS and they admitted it was only about 100 - 1000 TPS unless they had very tight control over the witness hardware. Remember I was the (one of the) guy(s) who first exposed that 100,000 TPS lie/hype last year.

What is the bottleneck between 100-1000 and 100k?

(ps, your voting power is almost constantly maxed out... vote some more Tongue)

That not every witness has the same level of ultra expensive hardware and connectivity. That was the case for a more decentralized assumption where witnesses (delegates) could come and go. But Steem appears to be a whale controlled blockchain, thus they can probably make sure the witnesses have a certain consistency of performance so as to handle higher transaction rates. But you are losing persmissionless quality.

Also the other bound is afaics Steem can't be sharded (at least one reason appears to be that voting is a real-time globalized calculation so eventual consistency is not compatible). You've got to funnel everything through one witnesses at a time, round-robin. This is going to cause scaling and reliability problems. Just wait.

Any way, I don't think this is the limiting factor for Steem right now. The limiting factors are more on the economics and voting rewards algorithm, and features of the UI.

I presume smooth or someone will correct me if I have made any incorrect statements.
legendary
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July 29, 2016, 03:35:53 AM
If they think it through, and how many potential issues it can have in a mature ecosystem, they'll probably cancel it.

Afaik, they can't cancel it. I presume they chose to optimize away a couple of bytes per transaction and thus they must normalize the balances every 3 years at current 100% annual growth in the money supply.

The reason I was aware of this optimization is I had read about some of Graphene's design decisions back when I challenged the claim of 100,000 TPS and they admitted it was only about 100 - 1000 TPS unless they had very tight control over the witness hardware. Remember I was the (one of the) guy(s) who first exposed that 100,000 TPS lie/hype last year.

What is the bottleneck between 100-1000 and 100k?

(ps, your voting power is almost constantly maxed out... vote some more Tongue)
sr. member
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July 29, 2016, 03:32:04 AM
If they think it through, and how many potential issues it can have in a mature ecosystem, they'll probably cancel it.

Afaik, they can't cancel it. I presume they chose to optimize away a couple of bytes per transaction and thus they must normalize the balances every 3 years at current 100% annual growth in the money supply.

The reason I was aware of this optimization is I had read about some of Graphene's design decisions back when I challenged the claim of 100,000 TPS and they admitted it was only about 100 - 1000 TPS unless they had very tight control over the witness hardware. Remember I was the (one of the) guy(s) who first exposed that 100,000 TPS lie/hype last year.
legendary
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July 29, 2016, 03:28:44 AM
The reverse split sounds like a y2k-type upcoming fiasco (even if it is every 3 years). Exchanges and trading will be extremely problematic during the transition. And some people won't even know about the reverse split, selling their steem for pennies - thinking it went up in value... lol.

If they think it through, and how many potential issues it can have in a mature ecosystem, they'll probably cancel it.
legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
July 29, 2016, 12:56:36 AM
So I don't have to jump through this hoop anymore?

https://www.criterion.com/films/28635-muriel-or-the-time-of-return

Hmmm...

Amazon wins. Bought a like new copy for same price and don't have a new password to create or remember.

If only there was a way to link sellers to buyers directly (without credit card hassles)....
sr. member
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July 29, 2016, 12:24:44 AM
You guys don't know or just don't want to answer? I am new here so not sure if my post are even visible?

It is has already been answer upthread and the other Steem threads.

It is a complex answer and I guess we are tired to repeat. The Steem structure is very complex to explain.

OK thanks for your answer. I thought my question was pretty straightforward.

Do you know where I can get the full documentation and which section of the whitepaper talk about vest?
When the white paper discusses Steem Power, it is talking about Vests. The white paper does not go into all of the technical details. You can read some of imnotback's explanations in this thread, or google and try to get a grasp of what is going on. To be honest, Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity is easier to figure out.

I have re-read the Steem Power section, the paper doesn't discuss anything about stock split or vest. I have read all steem thread that's how I know about stock split and vest but I can't find any technical details about these




Here's where it talks about the reverse split. https://steem.io/SteemWhitePaper.pdf#page=39

Thanks for the link.  Paper says that when the split occurs all balances of steem are divided by 10 and all price multiplied by 10,that make sense but what happens to the Vest aka Steem Power balances?

They mean both STEEM and SP. I had explained the only reason they are doing that is they didn't want to add an extra two bytes for balances, and thus they must rescale them every 3 years.

Do I have to repeat this every two weeks, when someone new arrives and doesn't find the old discussion.

Sounds like you need to chill a bit. Anyway I got it now so thanks. If the price of steem doesn't go up and you have your funds locked in SP you are losing 10% value ( minus curating reward) every year  , as an investor might as well buy some steem or steem dollar.

Seriously you need to read the thread. If you hold SP, the maximum is 6.7% and typically it is closer to 0% or even positive gains.
legendary
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July 28, 2016, 11:19:21 PM


Sounds like you need to chill a bit. Anyway I got it now so thanks. If the price of steem doesn't go up and you have your funds locked in SP you are losing 10% value ( minus curating reward) every year  , as an investor might as well buy some steem or steem dollar.

If you are a short term or medium term speculator, keeping Steem is probably the best way. The Steem is liquid, but it does not help you with voting power for the web page. Also, the liquid Steem does not participate in the Steem Power vesting pool. So, if you hold Steem, you are hoping more steem gets converted to steam power than the other way. The Steem dollar is supposed to strive to be pegged at $1.00. So far, that has not been the case. Probably, because it is the only liquid asset people are getting right now to dump right away after getting a score with one of their posts. You also get interest on the Steem Dollar holdings if it is worth below $1.00 USD.
newbie
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July 28, 2016, 10:52:06 PM
You guys don't know or just don't want to answer? I am new here so not sure if my post are even visible?

It is has already been answer upthread and the other Steem threads.

It is a complex answer and I guess we are tired to repeat. The Steem structure is very complex to explain.

OK thanks for your answer. I thought my question was pretty straightforward.

Do you know where I can get the full documentation and which section of the whitepaper talk about vest?
When the white paper discusses Steem Power, it is talking about Vests. The white paper does not go into all of the technical details. You can read some of imnotback's explanations in this thread, or google and try to get a grasp of what is going on. To be honest, Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity is easier to figure out.

I have re-read the Steem Power section, the paper doesn't discuss anything about stock split or vest. I have read all steem thread that's how I know about stock split and vest but I can't find any technical details about these




Here's where it talks about the reverse split. https://steem.io/SteemWhitePaper.pdf#page=39

Thanks for the link.  Paper says that when the split occurs all balances of steem are divided by 10 and all price multiplied by 10,that make sense but what happens to the Vest aka Steem Power balances?

They mean both STEEM and SP. I had explained the only reason they are doing that is they didn't want to add an extra two bytes for balances, and thus they must rescale them every 3 years.

Do I have to repeat this every two weeks, when someone new arrives and doesn't find the old discussion.

Sounds like you need to chill a bit. Anyway I got it now so thanks. If the price of steem doesn't go up and you have your funds locked in SP you are losing 10% value ( minus curating reward) every year  , as an investor might as well buy some steem or steem dollar.
sr. member
Activity: 336
Merit: 265
July 28, 2016, 10:24:35 PM
You guys don't know or just don't want to answer? I am new here so not sure if my post are even visible?

It is has already been answer upthread and the other Steem threads.

It is a complex answer and I guess we are tired to repeat. The Steem structure is very complex to explain.

OK thanks for your answer. I thought my question was pretty straightforward.

Do you know where I can get the full documentation and which section of the whitepaper talk about vest?
When the white paper discusses Steem Power, it is talking about Vests. The white paper does not go into all of the technical details. You can read some of imnotback's explanations in this thread, or google and try to get a grasp of what is going on. To be honest, Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity is easier to figure out.

I have re-read the Steem Power section, the paper doesn't discuss anything about stock split or vest. I have read all steem thread that's how I know about stock split and vest but I can't find any technical details about these




Here's where it talks about the reverse split. https://steem.io/SteemWhitePaper.pdf#page=39

Thanks for the link.  Paper says that when the split occurs all balances of steem are divided by 10 and all price multiplied by 10,that make sense but what happens to the Vest aka Steem Power balances?

They mean both STEEM and SP. I had explained the only reason they are doing that is they didn't want to add an extra two bytes for balances, and thus they must rescale them every 3 years.

Do I have to repeat this every two weeks, when someone new arrives and doesn't find the old discussion.
newbie
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July 28, 2016, 10:17:16 PM
You guys don't know or just don't want to answer? I am new here so not sure if my post are even visible?

It is has already been answer upthread and the other Steem threads.

It is a complex answer and I guess we are tired to repeat. The Steem structure is very complex to explain.

OK thanks for your answer. I thought my question was pretty straightforward.

Do you know where I can get the full documentation and which section of the whitepaper talk about vest?
When the white paper discusses Steem Power, it is talking about Vests. The white paper does not go into all of the technical details. You can read some of imnotback's explanations in this thread, or google and try to get a grasp of what is going on. To be honest, Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity is easier to figure out.

I have re-read the Steem Power section, the paper doesn't discuss anything about stock split or vest. I have read all steem thread that's how I know about stock split and vest but I can't find any technical details about these




Here's where it talks about the reverse split. https://steem.io/SteemWhitePaper.pdf#page=39

Thanks for the link.  Paper says that when the split occurs all balances of steem are divided by 10 and all price multiplied by 10,that make sense but what happens to the Vest aka Steem Power balances?
newbie
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July 28, 2016, 09:49:13 PM
You guys don't know or just don't want to answer? I am new here so not sure if my post are even visible?

It is has already been answer upthread and the other Steem threads.

It is a complex answer and I guess we are tired to repeat. The Steem structure is very complex to explain.

OK thanks for your answer. I thought my question was pretty straightforward.

Do you know where I can get the full documentation and which section of the whitepaper talk about vest?
When the white paper discusses Steem Power, it is talking about Vests. The white paper does not go into all of the technical details. You can read some of imnotback's explanations in this thread, or google and try to get a grasp of what is going on. To be honest, Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity is easier to figure out.

I have re-read the Steem Power section, the paper doesn't discuss anything about stock split or vest. I have read all steem thread that's how I know about stock split and vest but I can't find any technical details about these

I do remember the white paper mentioning the reverse split, but the white paper does not go into specific details on things like vests.


Apparently VEST was the old name for Stem Power

https://steemit.com/steem/@ned/long-live-vests-
legendary
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July 28, 2016, 09:47:01 PM
You guys don't know or just don't want to answer? I am new here so not sure if my post are even visible?

It is has already been answer upthread and the other Steem threads.

It is a complex answer and I guess we are tired to repeat. The Steem structure is very complex to explain.

OK thanks for your answer. I thought my question was pretty straightforward.

Do you know where I can get the full documentation and which section of the whitepaper talk about vest?
When the white paper discusses Steem Power, it is talking about Vests. The white paper does not go into all of the technical details. You can read some of imnotback's explanations in this thread, or google and try to get a grasp of what is going on. To be honest, Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity is easier to figure out.

I have re-read the Steem Power section, the paper doesn't discuss anything about stock split or vest. I have read all steem thread that's how I know about stock split and vest but I can't find any technical details about these




Here's where it talks about the reverse split. https://steem.io/SteemWhitePaper.pdf#page=39
legendary
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July 28, 2016, 09:44:58 PM
You guys don't know or just don't want to answer? I am new here so not sure if my post are even visible?

It is has already been answer upthread and the other Steem threads.

It is a complex answer and I guess we are tired to repeat. The Steem structure is very complex to explain.

OK thanks for your answer. I thought my question was pretty straightforward.

Do you know where I can get the full documentation and which section of the whitepaper talk about vest?
When the white paper discusses Steem Power, it is talking about Vests. The white paper does not go into all of the technical details. You can read some of imnotback's explanations in this thread, or google and try to get a grasp of what is going on. To be honest, Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity is easier to figure out.

I have re-read the Steem Power section, the paper doesn't discuss anything about stock split or vest. I have read all steem thread that's how I know about stock split and vest but I can't find any technical details about these

I do remember the white paper mentioning the reverse split, but the white paper does not go into specific details on things like vests.
newbie
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Merit: 0
July 28, 2016, 09:40:15 PM
You guys don't know or just don't want to answer? I am new here so not sure if my post are even visible?

It is has already been answer upthread and the other Steem threads.

It is a complex answer and I guess we are tired to repeat. The Steem structure is very complex to explain.

OK thanks for your answer. I thought my question was pretty straightforward.

Do you know where I can get the full documentation and which section of the whitepaper talk about vest?
When the white paper discusses Steem Power, it is talking about Vests. The white paper does not go into all of the technical details. You can read some of imnotback's explanations in this thread, or google and try to get a grasp of what is going on. To be honest, Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity is easier to figure out.

I have re-read the Steem Power section, the paper doesn't discuss anything about stock split or vest. I have read all steem thread that's how I know about stock split and vest but I can't find any technical details about these


legendary
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July 28, 2016, 09:25:15 PM
You guys don't know or just don't want to answer? I am new here so not sure if my post are even visible?

It is has already been answer upthread and the other Steem threads.

It is a complex answer and I guess we are tired to repeat. The Steem structure is very complex to explain.

OK thanks for your answer. I thought my question was pretty straightforward.

Do you know where I can get the full documentation and which section of the whitepaper talk about vest?
When the white paper discusses Steem Power, it is talking about Vests. The white paper does not go into all of the technical details. You can read some of imnotback's explanations in this thread, or google and try to get a grasp of what is going on. To be honest, Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity is easier to figure out.
newbie
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July 28, 2016, 09:23:41 PM
You guys don't know or just don't want to answer? I am new here so not sure if my post are even visible?

It is has already been answer upthread and the other Steem threads.

It is a complex answer and I guess we are tired to repeat. The Steem structure is very complex to explain.

OK thanks for your answer. I thought my question was pretty straightforward.

I had spent several posts explaining to magicacademy that a reverse stock split doesn't change the proportional holdings nor debase any one.

Did you read the whitepaper? It's odd that I can't find any info on stock split/vest and that no documentation is available.
sr. member
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July 28, 2016, 09:16:07 PM
You guys don't know or just don't want to answer? I am new here so not sure if my post are even visible?

It is has already been answer upthread and the other Steem threads.

It is a complex answer and I guess we are tired to repeat. The Steem structure is very complex to explain.

OK thanks for your answer. I thought my question was pretty straightforward.

I had spent several posts explaining to magicacademy that a reverse stock split doesn't change the proportional holdings nor debase any one.
newbie
Activity: 14
Merit: 0
July 28, 2016, 09:13:21 PM
You guys don't know or just don't want to answer? I am new here so not sure if my post are even visible?

It is has already been answer upthread and the other Steem threads.

It is a complex answer and I guess we are tired to repeat. The Steem structure is very complex to explain.

OK thanks for your answer. I thought my question was pretty straightforward.

Do you know where I can get the full documentation and which section of the whitepaper talk about vest?
legendary
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July 28, 2016, 09:12:21 PM
What happens to number of vest when the stock split occurs? I am trying to understand how are " shares" not going to be diluted by the inflation

I'm not certain the amount of Vests will change at all. They will just be taking the amount of Virtual Steem in the vesting pool and moving the decimal point to the left by 1 and rounding down to the nearest .001 Steem. Since the whole supply of Steem, both real and virtual will be divided by 10, in theory, the markets should increase the value of each new Steem by 10X.
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