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legendary
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July 25, 2016, 09:29:48 PM
ranking system is a circle-jerk...

I entirely expect to not get upvotes. I will be surprised if I do.

The corporate world adopted political correctness to maximize potential revenue stream, and since Steem is run as a business, I suspect you would see the same thing here.  You already know who your target audience is going to be beforehand while distribution is in it's current state, so I know exactly if my post will be upvoted or not before even making it.  I did a test of that yesterday, making a post I knew would be unpopular on purpose.  

I already know most people in the Bitcoin spectrum love to tout the idea of anarchy as some type of super cool thing and the solution to all the world's problems, while I believe statism and anarchy have pretty much the same endgame.  You could even argue we already live in anarchy and the 500 people in the house, senate, and presidency are just an armed gang holding people hostage.

So, let's see what the test results are.  My post saying anarchy and statism is all the same difference:

https://steemit.com/anarchism/@r0achtheunsavory/anarchy-doesn-t-exist-it-s-the-equivalent-of-a-simpsons-parody

Some guy who is mostly citing other people talking about how cool and awesome anarchy is:

https://steemit.com/anarchy/@modprobe/response-sorry-libertarian-anarchists-capitalism-requires-government

And the guy who wrote the wildly more upvoted anarchy article responding to me:




legendary
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dafar consulting
July 25, 2016, 09:04:36 PM
Umm, what do you have against introverts dude?

Nothing when they don't judge me while hiding themselves from the type of exposure that they judge. And I didn't write I was against introverts did I? I wrote INTJ and ENTP are often incompatible because of the combination of judging combined with the asymmetrical potshotting from behind an introverted shield.

What you do have against that logical stance dude?

You should be filtered out of my coterie and myself filtered out of yours. You go hang out with your INTJ types and I will go hang out with the extroverts who prefer production and discussion over judgemental impossible perfection.

Ok mr ENTP, you sound like you're awkward and cringeworthy in real life
sr. member
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July 25, 2016, 09:01:26 PM
So the "Steem is a scam" threads have started. LOL. It must be making some good progress

Exactly. The sock puppet party here doesn't warrant genuine responses. It is not worth my time. Jelly donuts for all. Just like ETH, you know you are doing something right when there are 100 sock puppets crying scam in 100 threads they create themselves.
What sock puppet(s)? The term's not supposed to be used like that(I'll give you a hint: The term means the exact opposite of what you typed.) Do tell me more.
legendary
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July 25, 2016, 08:42:11 PM
@iamnotback

You are way overthinking it. Perhaps you are trying to fix the Internet and make sure that quality work gets rewarded, all of which is noble, but is almost entirely irrelevant to Steemit.

Steemit is a social media platform, and like all the other social media platforms it is not high art or journalism, but a platform for people to pass their time (consider how much of peoples' time has shifted from watching bad TV to social media), communicate (often without any lasting significance), have fun, show off, and generally do the things that most real people spend most of their time doing in this world. This will never change, regardless of technology or algorithms, because people basically don't change.

It will work fine for that. In doing so it will also introduce a large number of people to cryptocurrency, something they have never seen before in a reasonably usable way (if at all). Now there is a theory that most people have no use for cryptocurrency and if that theory is correct then that aspect of it will fall flat on its face, and probably the coin won't be worth much either (though the platform may still survive). On the other hand, it is possible that a large number of people from a wide swath of society with access to cryptocurrency, something we have never seen before, will find something interesting and perhaps unexpected to do with it. Or at least some subset of them will, a subset that wasn't being reached before. That might be enough.

The main obstacles are not that the incentives or game theory "aren't right" but more mundane things you have identified earlier such as the feature set of the platform (is it fun enough, can people get lost it it and pass the time, etc.), reliability of hosting (currently atrocious, and this is costing a lot in user growth), etc.
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July 25, 2016, 08:09:15 PM
I agree; knowing that 80% of the steem cryptocurrency was created or premined directly into the wallets of it's creators makes this currency sound very iffy...
legendary
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July 25, 2016, 08:04:38 PM
Ah, ok...
sr. member
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July 25, 2016, 07:57:02 PM
Do users really want to put all their activity and text comments to friends on a public block chain?

At least on Facebook, I can decide who views my posts and stuff. Obviously the NSA can read it all, but I can still have some privacy from others if I want to.

Has anyone worked on how we could put it encrypted on a public block chain and limit readers to those whom we give a decryption yet, where each reader could have a different decryption key? So we could identify who is letting their reader keys escape into the public domain?

Browser extension probably that automatically decrypts the encoded text.

You entirely miss the point. There is no way to protect the decryption key. It will end up publicized.
legendary
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July 25, 2016, 07:53:35 PM
Do users really want to put all their activity and text comments to friends on a public block chain?

At least on Facebook, I can decide who views my posts and stuff. Obviously the NSA can read it all, but I can still have some privacy from others if I want to.

Has anyone worked on how we could put it encrypted on a public block chain and limit readers to those whom we give a decryption yet, where each reader could have a different decryption key? So we could identify who is letting their reader keys escape into the public domain?

Browser extension probably that automatically decrypts the encoded text.
sr. member
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July 25, 2016, 07:51:55 PM
The voting and reward algorithm in Steem seems to me to have a fundamental flaw.

If they made voting rewards linear, then all SP holders could simply vote for their own posts and recover their share of the dilution of the money supply. The game theory would be there is no financial incentive to vote for posts of others (although there might be an incentive for minnows who value the site functionality more than the tiny bit of rewards they control).

So instead they made rewards quadratic and even time incentivized so that you have to risk your vote on a post that you can't be sure will gain you the most rewards (since you don't know which post all the other users will vote on until later, which is why the votes are time incentivized to vote early). That also had the hype benefit of creating posts with exaggerated $50,000 rewards due these non-linear amplification algorithms.

But the quadratic and time incentivization game theory highly favors whales who can collude since the remove the risks the algorithms intended to create yet the colluding whales can take all the non-linear reward amplifications. I am not saying whales are colluding now, but for example if the media moguls can obtain significant stake and then accumulate 100% of the tokens over time by this game theory strategy thus controlling ranking of content on the site.

I believe the only solution to this is to let users control their own ranking algorithms (so whales can't predict rankings even if they collude on voting) and votes for computing rewards should always be linearly tallied. In other words, rankings need to be truly decentralized else the entire system is a clusterfuck back to centralized media control again. Meaning that if you only vote for yourself, you voting pattern make not align with like-mindedness with others thus you may have no influence on the ranking of your posts on the site, so you lose income from the votes of others. Meaning if you vote for yourself, you opt out of blogging.

Meaning I see no solution to the fact that it is impossible to incentivize whales to vote meaningfully and it is impossible to charge whales for the voting of minnows1! Dan's communism fails.

I'll be reading over @theoretical's blogs to see if I have made any errors or incorrect assumptions. I'll update you if I find any.

1 I do see one solution to this where whales are charged for voting but not allowed to vote but it can't work in the Dan's current design where STEEM are debased 50% yearly because obviously whales won't decide to hold STEEM.


I remember now that long ago (perhaps it was 2014) I already gone down this wild goose chase of voting from shared debasement and had realized it was fundamentally flawed and can't work.

Steemit is fucked. There is no way to fix this. Absolutely impossible. Fugetaboutit.

What they did was put the whales in control so they could over pay for blogs to generate the delusional to-da-moon groupthink.

I can't think of any way sure way to fix it. We might hope if we adopt my solution quoted above and make the forced voting small enough, that minnows will just vote their conscience (because it is a hassle otherwise perhaps), in that case maybe it works. But the whales will still opt out by voting themselves, so the minnows end up paying for all the blogging, which means it won't have sufficient funding. Power-law distribution rules.

If whales have a huge incentive to be restricted from voting (e.g. they don't have to hold for 2 years), then perhaps you can charge the debasement to them. But if the minnows are voting with the whales' share, then the minnows have more incentive to vote for themselves.

It just doesn't seem to work no matter how we design it.

Steemit's whales can justify throwing away money because they know otherwise they can't cash out. This is still a ponzi scheme and race to the exits before everyone realizes the voting system is totally dysfunctional. It will become more and more apparently over time.

They may be hoping they can get enough users into the system to begin some ecosystem work on microtransactions. Maybe the big lie in the voting algorithm is just a stopgap measure to onboard users. But I really can't see this group of developers ever succeeding because they seem to be always about fooling people.

Solid businesses are built on solid ethics.
sr. member
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July 25, 2016, 07:41:16 PM
Umm, what do you have against introverts dude?

Nothing when they don't judge me while hiding themselves from the type of exposure that they judge. And I didn't write I was against introverts did I? I wrote INTJ and ENTP are often incompatible because of the combination of judging combined with the asymmetrical potshotting from behind an introverted shield.

What you do have against that logical stance dude?
legendary
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dafar consulting
July 25, 2016, 07:25:06 PM
Umm, what do you have against introverts dude?
sr. member
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July 25, 2016, 06:02:11 PM
Do users really want to put all their activity and text comments to friends on a public block chain?

At least on Facebook, I can decide who views my posts and stuff. Obviously the NSA can read it all, but I can still have some privacy from others if I want to.

Has anyone worked on how we could put it encrypted on a public block chain and limit readers to those whom we give a decryption yet, where each reader could have a different decryption key? So we could identify who is letting their reader keys escape into the public domain?
sr. member
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July 25, 2016, 05:45:59 PM
Instead of admiting and apologize that you were blatantly wrong in every post you previously rambled about your "21% calculations", you you are now editing your STEEMIT "thread" to do some damage control to your image! thats pathetic!

He did not admit that I pointed out his error. I admitted my error. I told him "thanks".

I explained my error in detail so readers would understand. I corrected all my posts every where and did not erase evidence of errors.

The percentage difference of an error is not a valid criticism as an error not seen could be small or large until seen. It doesn't reflect on anything except your desire to grind an axe. Btw, 1.7% of 5% is +34% error, and 5% of 21% is -76% error. Hardly the huge difference you were thinking.  Tongue

You seem ready for a fight or competition. Make sure you are really ready.

I also notice you stalking me with positive votes on comments that I have refuted yet you don't even upvote my blog post even though you find enough worth voting on there. Nice.

Now address my criticism in the immediately prior post about the voting algorithms being totally whacko.

Edit: I guess you didn't notice I was awake 24 hours straight yesterday (and given my illness that is like saying you had been awake for 48 hours straight). And written I don't know how many detailed technical and marketing analysis BCT posts yesterday.

WHERE IS YOUR PHOTO?

https://steemit.com/@chryspano

You can criticize those of us who put our real photo and LinkedIn account online, yet you are hiding you weasel. You dish it out but can you also allow yourself to be exposed?

Ah you are INTJ and I am ENTP, so that explains some of the reason we are not going to get along well. You hide and judge. I discuss and perceive.

It is all about production. That is all that will matter in the end.

That is why I don't want to join some clusterfuck circle-jerk one-size-fits-all ("winner take all" power vacuum) where I have to kiss ass on INTJs. You should be filtered out of my coterie and myself filtered out of yours. You go hang out with your INTJ types and I will go hang out with the extroverts who prefer production and discussion over judgemental impossible perfection.
legendary
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July 25, 2016, 05:43:23 PM
So we both had a mistake.

Not exactly, it's one thing to miscalculate something to be 5% instead of 6,7%...
and it's another thing to miscalculate something to be 21% instead of 6,7%

Instead of admiting and apologize that you were blatantly wrong in every post you previously rambled about your "21% calculations", you you are now editing your STEEMIT "thread" to do some damage control to your image! thats pathetic!

As a "general rule" everyone knew that STEEM has an inflation of 100% and SP 10% but you starting crying and whining that its was all LIES 21% was the real number! YOU WERE WRONG! and it was not the first time.

Is it malice or stupitidy iamnotback?
sr. member
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July 25, 2016, 05:33:43 PM
The voting and reward algorithm in Steem seems to me to have a fundamental flaw.

If they made voting rewards linear, then all SP holders could simply vote for their own posts and recover their share of the dilution of the money supply. The game theory would be there is no financial incentive to vote for posts of others (although there might be an incentive for minnows who value the site functionality more than the tiny bit of rewards they control).

So instead they made rewards quadratic and even time incentivized so that you have to risk your vote on a post that you can't be sure will gain you the most rewards (since you don't know which post all the other users will vote on until later, which is why the votes are time incentivized to vote early). That also had the hype benefit of creating posts with exaggerated $50,000 rewards due these non-linear amplification algorithms.

But the quadratic and time incentivization game theory highly favors whales who can collude since the remove the risks the algorithms intended to create yet the colluding whales can take all the non-linear reward amplifications. I am not saying whales are colluding now, but for example if the media moguls can obtain significant stake and then accumulate 100% of the tokens over time by this game theory strategy thus controlling ranking of content on the site.

I believe the only solution to this is to let users control their own ranking algorithms (so whales can't predict rankings even if they collude on voting) and votes for computing rewards should always be linearly tallied. In other words, rankings need to be truly decentralized else the entire system is a clusterfuck back to centralized media control again. Meaning that if you only vote for yourself, you voting pattern make not align with like-mindedness with others thus you may have no influence on the ranking of your posts on the site, so you lose income from the votes of others. Meaning if you vote for yourself, you opt out of blogging.

Meaning I see no solution to the fact that it is impossible to incentivize whales to vote meaningfully and it is impossible to charge whales for the voting of minnows1! Dan's communism fails.

I'll be reading over @theoretical's blogs to see if I have made any errors or incorrect assumptions. I'll update you if I find any.

1 I do see one solution to this where whales are charged for voting but not allowed to vote but it can't work in the Dan's current design where STEEM are debased 50% yearly because obviously whales won't decide to hold STEEM.
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July 25, 2016, 05:00:26 PM
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anonymint ·  3 hours ago
The 5% calculation appears to me incorrect. I calculate 15 - 21%. You are not factoring for example the 50% payout in STEEM POWER.

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arhag  ·  35 minutes ago
No, I am factoring in the payouts in Steem Power. A far more sophisticated analysis of the math is necessary to get more accurate numbers in more realistic scenarios, but I am pretty sure the numbers you have calculated are incorrect. However, by being slightly more careful in my analysis (rather than the first approximation I did for the OP), I find that my original number of 5% was also too low of an estimate in the worst case scenario. It is really more like 6.7%.

First, as I mention before, I am not factoring in the effect of price changes and Steem Dollar conversions on STEEM supply (or the virtual supply used in the code). Trying to factor that in makes things too complicated and requires assuming models for how the price of STEEM will change and how people will convert Steem Dollars. To greatly simplify the analysis I assume that people convert Steem Dollars into STEEM as soon as possible and at the same price at which it was issued (actually I really go further and assume the blockchain skips a step and just gives the bloggers the reward as STEEM rather than Steem Dollars so that they can then convert to Steem Power as soon as possible).

Second, I am looking at the worst case (in terms of maximum inflation of Steem Power) by assuming nearly all of the STEEM is kept in Steem Power at all times. Meaning if people receive rewards in any other form, they convert it into Steem Power as soon as possible.

Converting STEEM into Steem Power (i.e. VESTs) does not change the ratio of STEEM in the vest pool to the total amount of VESTs, whether done by the user or done by the blockchain directly. The only thing that changes (specifically increases) that ratio is when the blockchain directly adds STEEM it issued into the vest pool without creating a corresponding amount of VESTs.

If we define S to be the current virtual supply of STEEM (which with the assumptions above is also exactly the amount of STEEM in the vest pool), then we can approximately say that the blockchain creates 7.894E-5 * S STEEM each hour (90% of which is added directly into the vest pool and the other 10% is given out as rewards which are ultimately all, since this is the worst case scenario we are looking at, converted into Steem Power).

Let S_0 be the virtual supply of STEEM at the start of the year period that we will be analyzing. Let S_n be the virtual supply of STEEM n hours after that start time. Then we can write that S_n = S_0 * (1 + 7.894E-5)^n.

The recurrence relation for updating the total outstanding amount of VEST tokens V_{n+1}(at the time n+1 hours after the start time) is given by

V_{n+1} = V_n (1 + \frac{\Delta s_n}{S_n})
where \Delta s_n is total net amount of STEEM converted into Steem Power (VESTs) within the corresponding hour (because I am lumping these conversions into hour intervals it is actually just an approximation of the real update rule, but good enough for our purposes). The quantity \Delta s_n is given by 7.894E-6 * S_n, since in this worst case scenario I assume all STEEM created for distribution as rewards (the 10% of the total amount created) will all be converted back into Steem Power. I can use the recurrence relation above to write an expression for V_n:

V_n = V_0 ( 1 + 7.894E-6)^n
If a user initially holds v VESTs, which is a fraction f of the total VESTs at that time (so v = f * V_0), then after a year (n = 8766) the total virtual supply of STEEM will be S_{8766} = 2 * S_0 and the total outstanding amount of VEST tokens will be V_{8766} = (1.07165 )* V_0. And so the new fraction of total VESTs the user will hold (assuming they received no more VESTs through rewards or powering up) is f' = v / V_{8766} = 0.93314 * f, which corresponds to a 6.7% decrease over the year in the user's fractional ownership of VEST (and therefore their fractional ownership of the marketcap of STEEM in this worst case scenario). So, if the market cap of STEEM were to stay constant (in USD), the user would need to buy up approximately 6.7% of their holding value each year to maintain the same USD value they started with, thus we can say it amounts to a 6.7% wealth tax (via a hidden inflation tax) on their Steem Power holdings. But this is the worst case scenario where all STEEM is held in Steem Power. In reality, not all of it will be held as Steem Power, and so the actual wealth tax rate for Steem Power holders should be less than 6.7% (again assuming we ignore other complicated effects left out of the above analysis like the Steem Dollar conversion effect).

Unfortunately, since the OP has already paid out, I cannot edit it to correct the 5% number to 6.7%.

https://steemit.com/steem/@arhag/where-does-the-money-come-from-a-look-into-the-economics-of-steem#@anonymint/re-arhag-re-innuendo-re-arhag-where-does-the-money-come-from-a-look-into-the-economics-of-steem-20160725t173848519z


Agreed he has corrected his calculation incorporating the term that I showed he had forgotten and also I have realized that I was stating the delta for my first term. So we both had a mistake.

The correct value is 6.7% where everyone is powering up, and lower than that if many are not powering up.

Note this doesn't change the point that not powering up is a 50% debasement/100% dilution (assuming liquidity rewards are restored, else 46.125% debasement/92.5% dilution). Thus I am still questioning the incentive for long-term investors to power up given the 1 year weighted price risk to cash out and the requirement that they must ramp up transaction (transfers) demand to the level that the STEEM not powering up is at least 10% of the money supply so that SP holders aren't debased.

Also it doesn't change my criticism that they've killled medium-term investment.


Where does the 10% interest paid to holders of Steem Dollars factor in your equations? I don't see.

Please re-read that post as I have corrected it.

In both @arhag and my computations, we are assuming they are converted to STEEM.
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July 25, 2016, 04:27:46 PM
The topic has useful references, I will not judge like such scheme until perform more conclusive analysis though.
legendary
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July 25, 2016, 04:21:03 PM
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anonymint ·  3 hours ago
The 5% calculation appears to me incorrect. I calculate 15 - 21%. You are not factoring for example the 50% payout in STEEM POWER.

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arhag  ·  35 minutes ago
No, I am factoring in the payouts in Steem Power. A far more sophisticated analysis of the math is necessary to get more accurate numbers in more realistic scenarios, but I am pretty sure the numbers you have calculated are incorrect. However, by being slightly more careful in my analysis (rather than the first approximation I did for the OP), I find that my original number of 5% was also too low of an estimate in the worst case scenario. It is really more like 6.7%.

First, as I mention before, I am not factoring in the effect of price changes and Steem Dollar conversions on STEEM supply (or the virtual supply used in the code). Trying to factor that in makes things too complicated and requires assuming models for how the price of STEEM will change and how people will convert Steem Dollars. To greatly simplify the analysis I assume that people convert Steem Dollars into STEEM as soon as possible and at the same price at which it was issued (actually I really go further and assume the blockchain skips a step and just gives the bloggers the reward as STEEM rather than Steem Dollars so that they can then convert to Steem Power as soon as possible).

Second, I am looking at the worst case (in terms of maximum inflation of Steem Power) by assuming nearly all of the STEEM is kept in Steem Power at all times. Meaning if people receive rewards in any other form, they convert it into Steem Power as soon as possible.

Converting STEEM into Steem Power (i.e. VESTs) does not change the ratio of STEEM in the vest pool to the total amount of VESTs, whether done by the user or done by the blockchain directly. The only thing that changes (specifically increases) that ratio is when the blockchain directly adds STEEM it issued into the vest pool without creating a corresponding amount of VESTs.

If we define S to be the current virtual supply of STEEM (which with the assumptions above is also exactly the amount of STEEM in the vest pool), then we can approximately say that the blockchain creates 7.894E-5 * S STEEM each hour (90% of which is added directly into the vest pool and the other 10% is given out as rewards which are ultimately all, since this is the worst case scenario we are looking at, converted into Steem Power).

Let S_0 be the virtual supply of STEEM at the start of the year period that we will be analyzing. Let S_n be the virtual supply of STEEM n hours after that start time. Then we can write that S_n = S_0 * (1 + 7.894E-5)^n.

The recurrence relation for updating the total outstanding amount of VEST tokens V_{n+1}(at the time n+1 hours after the start time) is given by

V_{n+1} = V_n (1 + \frac{\Delta s_n}{S_n})
where \Delta s_n is total net amount of STEEM converted into Steem Power (VESTs) within the corresponding hour (because I am lumping these conversions into hour intervals it is actually just an approximation of the real update rule, but good enough for our purposes). The quantity \Delta s_n is given by 7.894E-6 * S_n, since in this worst case scenario I assume all STEEM created for distribution as rewards (the 10% of the total amount created) will all be converted back into Steem Power. I can use the recurrence relation above to write an expression for V_n:

V_n = V_0 ( 1 + 7.894E-6)^n
If a user initially holds v VESTs, which is a fraction f of the total VESTs at that time (so v = f * V_0), then after a year (n = 8766) the total virtual supply of STEEM will be S_{8766} = 2 * S_0 and the total outstanding amount of VEST tokens will be V_{8766} = (1.07165 )* V_0. And so the new fraction of total VESTs the user will hold (assuming they received no more VESTs through rewards or powering up) is f' = v / V_{8766} = 0.93314 * f, which corresponds to a 6.7% decrease over the year in the user's fractional ownership of VEST (and therefore their fractional ownership of the marketcap of STEEM in this worst case scenario). So, if the market cap of STEEM were to stay constant (in USD), the user would need to buy up approximately 6.7% of their holding value each year to maintain the same USD value they started with, thus we can say it amounts to a 6.7% wealth tax (via a hidden inflation tax) on their Steem Power holdings. But this is the worst case scenario where all STEEM is held in Steem Power. In reality, not all of it will be held as Steem Power, and so the actual wealth tax rate for Steem Power holders should be less than 6.7% (again assuming we ignore other complicated effects left out of the above analysis like the Steem Dollar conversion effect).

Unfortunately, since the OP has already paid out, I cannot edit it to correct the 5% number to 6.7%.

https://steemit.com/steem/@arhag/where-does-the-money-come-from-a-look-into-the-economics-of-steem#@anonymint/re-arhag-re-innuendo-re-arhag-where-does-the-money-come-from-a-look-into-the-economics-of-steem-20160725t173848519z
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July 25, 2016, 03:32:47 PM
Just more fanboy delusion here. Same as Ethereum. Wash, rinse, repeat. (Everybody wants the ideals, but virtually no one pays attention to the details)

Here we go again with denial and shitcoiners logic. He doesn't even address any of my points and just dismisses them:

Quote from: pheonike
It amazes me how people assume Steemit comes out of the box a full and complete product. They assume that everything is set in stone from day one. Steemit is designed to be able to adapt to what is needed. There are many more features that will be added to off set some of the criticism people have. Steemit is hybrid company/government economy. There are many variable that can and will be tweaked. The developers right now are focused on making Steemit a stable platform to interact on. Once that is done, they can continue to focus on the economics. It's funny how quick people want to try and tare something down . But if you gave these people a million dollars to build something valuable from scratch they couldn't do it. It is easier to throw rocks than build a castle with them.

There are some items listed in my blog which can not be changed nor improved because they are fundamental to the vested interests and/or the design of the system. For example, this issue #2 reducing the up to 6.7% debasement rate for STEEM POWER holders would reduce blogging rewards.

The issue #5 is inherent in the business model of Steem which is dictated by the way blog rewards are funded in issue #2.

Quote from: felixxx
facebook shares were in huge demand even before the monetization began.
Its's about believes.

But Facebook wasn’t debasing investors by up to 6.7% yearly. There is no incentive to invest long-term in Steem, unless you are a fool who hasn't read this blog.
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