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Topic: Stefan Molyneux Youtube Account and 2k Reddit Subs Terminated Today.. - page 3. (Read 1011 times)

legendary
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You can attempt to "try again" all you want by once again attempting to frame the issue in a way so you can "win". But you're willfully ignoring the bigger philosophical issues and the impact of all of this on society. The fact that you won't even engage on that front tells me you're happy with corporations via activist groups telling you what to believe and what's right and wrong.

Amazon is refusing to publish books or at least I've heard of one recently. Social media "censoring" content. If you can't see the direction all of this is going then you've got your head buried in the sand.

Nice dance moves. Amazon has the right to not publish whatever the fuck they want. I don't think you actually understand what "freedom of speech" means.

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Seeing as how social media wasn't even around the last time there were major book burnings (Nazi Germany), I have to wonder what the fuck are you actually talking about. "Secretly happy with the book burning?" What book burning? Where? You're equating videos hosted by YouTube being taken off YouTube with someone's books being forcibly confiscated and then burned. This is a bit retarded of a comparison.

Stefan Molyneux does have books but you're a fucking idiot if you actually think I want them burned.

What's the equal for an ebook to a physical book burning of physical books?

It consists of removing the ebook from availability, which has three primary ways.

A) Not providing the ebook's source in google or other search algorithms.
B) Not providing the ebook when the end user has the correct location.
C) Removing the DNS of the correct location.

The equivalent would be somebody deleting the content of your computer or mobile device and the action being sanctioned by the government. I'm all for net neutrality, but I'm against social media companies being forced to service customers they feel are bad for business.

Start your own social media service. Literally anyone can do so. Problem solved.
That just plain isn't correct. Also it's a misdirection. I listed three ways that are perhaps the modern equal of book burning. You are going off about social media companies. Not that I agree with you on that, either.
sr. member
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You can attempt to "try again" all you want by once again attempting to frame the issue in a way so you can "win". But you're willfully ignoring the bigger philosophical issues and the impact of all of this on society. The fact that you won't even engage on that front tells me you're happy with corporations via activist groups telling you what to believe and what's right and wrong.

Amazon is refusing to publish books or at least I've heard of one recently. Social media "censoring" content. If you can't see the direction all of this is going then you've got your head buried in the sand.

Nice dance moves. Amazon has the right to not publish whatever the fuck they want. I don't think you actually understand what "freedom of speech" means.
You're really just a simpleton aren't you, incapable of looking at the higher level issues with all this. You probably think this is all right wing whining. So here. Here's some others talking about the same broader issue although they're focused more on FB in this video.

https://youtu.be/EQICXcPBG8c

Far smarter people than you and me are raising alarm bells about the control mega corporations have over open discourse which is what shapes peoples views on things.
legendary
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I'm all for net neutrality, but I'm against social media companies being forced to service customers they feel are bad for business.

Uhhhh....
Net neutrality is more protections for the big data companies like FB, netflix, google, youtube, etc...
It just has a nice and fancy sounding name... Another trick.. Like the "patriot act" or the "affordable care act"..

Don't even get me started on how netflix is also aligned with the agenda shoving...
legendary
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No agenda at all...

Might be because of an agenda, or it might be jumping on the bandwagon as all companies are afraid of pissing off the mob and being canceled. Does anyone actually cares about the BLM movement, or are they just pandering?  

They are the ones pushing the agenda, creating the mob.. The media and big tech companies are causing it, not just pandering to it..
It's top down, not bottom up..

Top down from way way way up top.. Those seeking ultimate power over many countries.. One world government shit..
Everything the left does is almost always traceable to their efforts to create an ultimate authoritarian one world government if you can open your eyes wide enough to see the big picture..

This effort is divide and counquer.. Overthrow those that seek liberty and resist control..
Get them all to vote for anti-"racism", free stuff, protections, open boarders, and toss out the constitution and eventually sovereignty while they are at it..
legendary
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Seeing as how social media wasn't even around the last time there were major book burnings (Nazi Germany), I have to wonder what the fuck are you actually talking about. "Secretly happy with the book burning?" What book burning? Where? You're equating videos hosted by YouTube being taken off YouTube with someone's books being forcibly confiscated and then burned. This is a bit retarded of a comparison.

Stefan Molyneux does have books but you're a fucking idiot if you actually think I want them burned.

What's the equal for an ebook to a physical book burning of physical books?

It consists of removing the ebook from availability, which has three primary ways.

A) Not providing the ebook's source in google or other search algorithms.
B) Not providing the ebook when the end user has the correct location.
C) Removing the DNS of the correct location.
sr. member
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OK, so show me where in the constitution or any legal code for that matter that says people have a right to social media.
I thought you were smarter than that. Apparently not though. I love it when people throw out things like the constitution or laws etc as a means to refute some argument. It's a worthless standpoint since that is driven by society as a whole and what they want, the rights they want etc. Try again. Oh wait, nevermind, I seem to remember you think you have rights by virtue of just being born.

instead of just comparing people you don't like to Nazis.
Where did I say that? Please do show me. Or maybe that's just your way of shoving what I'm saying off into a corner cause you don't like it. Bravo.

OK let's try this again. You said the fact that there is no right to social media was bullshit. So I'm asking you to please educate me where the law says there is a right to social media. Don't dance around. Just produce an argument that affirms your statement. It shouldn't be that hard if you are right.

That's always the excuse given by those that are at least secretly happy with the "book burning". Social media has become the new "town center". The sooner everyone realizes that, the sooner things can be put in place that take that into account for the benefit of everyone.

Seeing as how social media wasn't even around the last time there were major book burnings (Nazi Germany), I have to wonder what the fuck are you actually talking about. "Secretly happy with the book burning?" What book burning? Where? You're equating videos hosted by YouTube being taken off YouTube with someone's books being forcibly confiscated and then burned. This is a bit retarded of a comparison.

Stefan Molyneux does have books but you're a fucking idiot if you actually think I want them burned.

You can attempt to "try again" all you want by once again attempting to frame the issue in a way so you can "win". But you're willfully ignoring the bigger philosophical issues and the impact of all of this on society. The fact that you won't even engage on that front tells me you're happy with corporations via activist groups telling you what to believe and what's right and wrong.

Amazon is refusing to publish books or at least I've heard of one recently. Social media "censoring" content. If you can't see the direction all of this is going then you've got your head buried in the sand.
legendary
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https://bpip.org
No one is robbing anything. Can't you read? People just want access to the vault. Maybe they'll have a barbecue there.

[senseless metaphor]

"Your metaphor makes no sense."

[even more senseless reply hiding your failure at using logic with a completely failed attempt at humor]

Of course this is SOP for you any time you talk yourself into a corner with your nonsense, you just do a little juke spin and run away and hope no one notices how brain dead you are.

I think it makes about as much sense as claiming that mandating "access" to post certain content (which those sites otherwise don't want) is not equal to mandating that content.

They are not mandating content. They are mandating open access to publish content.
legendary
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No agenda at all...

Might be because of an agenda, or it might be jumping on the bandwagon as all companies are afraid of pissing off the mob and being canceled. Does anyone actually cares about the BLM movement, or are they just pandering?  
sr. member
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OK, so show me where in the constitution or any legal code for that matter that says people have a right to social media.
I thought you were smarter than that. Apparently not though. I love it when people throw out things like the constitution or laws etc as a means to refute some argument. It's a worthless standpoint since that is driven by society as a whole and what they want, the rights they want etc. Try again. Oh wait, nevermind, I seem to remember you think you have rights by virtue of just being born.

instead of just comparing people you don't like to Nazis.
Where did I say that? Please do show me. Or maybe that's just your way of shoving what I'm saying off into a corner cause you don't like it. Bravo.
legendary
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legendary
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What's the end game? Why would big companies go against the big-business-friendly tax-cutting anti-regulation president?
Social Media companies are very profitable in large part because their employees are very productive. Their employees are very productive because of their heavy use of automation, and of their creation of predictive models that can quickly classify data, allowing actions to be taken on these classifications that would not otherwise be possible.

The above gives employees a unique power over their employers. Employees at Social Media companies are overwhelmingly left-leaning, and are not 'left of center'.

Social media companies don't need low taxes to be profitable, nor do they need low regulations; they need productive employees. There is only so much companies can pay their employees to keep them happy, and attract additional talent, and many tech companies have resorted to unique perks.

I would agree with this.  Well stated and accurate IMHO.  I would add, though, that the big tech corporations are often awash with cash and they don't like paying taxes any more than anyone else.  Since they are by the nature of the internet 'global', they spend plenty of effort (lobbying funds) to limit their tax liabilities.  One method is to not repatriate profits until such time as a 'repatriation tax holiday' can be engineered.  These are normally advertised as a 'one time' thing to benefit 'the people', but in practice they tend to be periodic.  More and more 'globalism' has done away with the need to even bother with this type of fraud.

One of the giant corporations that I had some exposure to used to borrow most of the money they needed for U.S. operations while the profits were never repatriated as far as I could tell.  All of the high-IQ tech geeks could never figure this stuff out (and are every bit as allergic to the idea of 'conspiracy theories' as your average sheep).  It was funny to see the boss-men _not_ explain this at one of the giant weekly meetings on campus and to see all the geeks scratching their heads...for a few seconds until they forgot all about it.

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What's the end game? Why would big companies go against the big-business-friendly tax-cutting anti-regulation president?
Social Media companies are very profitable in large part because their employees are very productive. Their employees are very productive because of their heavy use of automation, and of their creation of predictive models that can quickly classify data, allowing actions to be taken on these classifications that would not otherwise be possible.

The above gives employees a unique power over their employers. Employees at Social Media companies are overwhelmingly left-leaning, and are not 'left of center'.

Social media companies don't need low taxes to be profitable, nor do they need low regulations; they need productive employees. There is only so much companies can pay their employees to keep them happy, and attract additional talent, and many tech companies have resorted to unique perks.
sr. member
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However, there's no such thing as a right to social media.
That's always the excuse given by those that are at least secretly happy with the "book burning". Social media has become the new "town center". The sooner everyone realizes that, the sooner things can be put in place that take that into account for the benefit of everyone.

Fuck you.

It's a statement of fact.

If you want the government to mandate that social media companies have to give a platform to everybody or even just certain individuals, write your representatives in congress and convince them to pass such a law.
oooooo.. Did I hit a nerve there? I guess you are one of those typical liberals that thinks you're better than everyone else and want to dictate to them what they can and can't say. And your "fact" is bullshit. We have a right to nothing and everything.. "Rights" are just shit we as society have made up in order to function and to have rules, laws and the like. But I noticed you didn't address the town center thing. What's wrong. You need a safe space so the bad men won't say something you don't like. Grow the fuck up and think beyond your nose in terms of the path this shit is going down.
legendary
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They are not mandating content. They are mandating open access to publish content.

"We're not robbing the bank. We demand open access to the vault."

No, your metaphor is completely fallacious. What are people robbing by maintaining equal access exactly?

No one is robbing anything. Can't you read? People just want access to the vault. Maybe they'll have a barbecue there.

I agree 1000%. They just WANT ACCESS TO THE VAULT. Where did all the goodies from the vault go? Oh, IT MUST HAVE BEEN SOMEONE ELSE THAT TOOK THEM!!!!
legendary
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No one is robbing anything. Can't you read? People just want access to the vault. Maybe they'll have a barbecue there.

[senseless metaphor]

"Your metaphor makes no sense."

[even more senseless reply hiding your failure at using logic with a completely failed attempt at humor]

Of course this is SOP for you any time you talk yourself into a corner with your nonsense, you just do a little juke spin and run away and hope no one notices how brain dead you are.
legendary
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https://bpip.org
They are not mandating content. They are mandating open access to publish content.

"We're not robbing the bank. We demand open access to the vault."

No, your metaphor is completely fallacious. What are people robbing by maintaining equal access exactly?

No one is robbing anything. Can't you read? People just want access to the vault. Maybe they'll have a barbecue there.
legendary
Activity: 3318
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First Exclusion Ever
They are not mandating content. They are mandating open access to publish content.

"We're not robbing the bank. We demand open access to the vault."

No, your metaphor is completely fallacious. What are people robbing by maintaining equal access exactly? Oh right you just invented that for your dumb metaphor to sound like it made any sense just on a superficial level. It is more like "You can't bank here, we don't serve your kind." These companies not only have special government funding, they enjoy legal protections that other publishers don't. Tax money has already gone to develop these companies and continues to flow into them.

You should take a break from sucking so much corporate cock, you are going to damage the cartilage in your knees if you spend so much time down there. Funny how the left has completely inverted all of the principles they used to stand for and have turned them upside down and inside out. The left is now anti-free speech, pro-corporate, pro-violence, pro-war, racist, and authoritarian. They can't help but constantly inject themselves into everyone else's business with the ultimate goal of just destroying everything in sight because they are so miserable, so why should anyone else be happy right? Don't forget to wipe the slob off your face corporate cum dumpster.
legendary
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Ok...
So even if Stef did some content on race and IQ many years ago that you may not agree with, it is obviously not the reason he was recently terminated from youtube.. As I said, those topics were done years ago..
He never called anybody niggers or said any such thing like whites are superior.. If anything he said that Asians and Jews have the superior average intelligence, something a white supremacist would never admit.. He is no nutjob/wackjob/alt-right/kkk/Nazi of any sort, but think whatever you want..

That is just being used here as an excuse to agree with political deplatforming by the big tech companies pushing an agenda..
Great news for you if you agree with the Marxist agenda.. Congratulations..

Not me.. I'm a lover of freedom of speech, and I believe that the truth will prevail in an open contest of ideas..
The way I see it, if something is false or incorrect, their is no reason to be afraid of it because it will be crushed by truth.. So let all ideas fly and see what comes out on top..

I guess some people here agree with censorship of ideas that are contrary to their own, and that's kinda sad to me, but I sure don't want them banned for those views as they do in turn..

Reddit, fabebook, and youtube etc. are great for censoring speech of libertarians and pushing the Marxist agenda.. Cool story..
IMO even if it is legal, it is vastly unethical and immoral.. But I guess not if you agree with it..

If you can't see almost every big tech company from Wikipedia to Google attempting to influence public opinion then I would contend that you are blinded by your favorite narrative...

I don't think anything is going to change anytime soon.. I'm mostly just sitting back and watching the downfall of the west..
Looks like a 4th Marxist reich happening these days to me.. It may be wise of you to be seen to be on it's side, but not me.. My morality of truth is worth more to me than fear of the new brownshirts, the BLM..

Ban guns, burn books, censor all "racism" except against whites no matter how blatant, blame all their problems on someone else, create hate..
The writing is on the wall..
legendary
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https://bpip.org
They are not mandating content. They are mandating open access to publish content.

"We're not robbing the bank. We demand open access to the vault."
legendary
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First Exclusion Ever
More strawman arguments. Boo fucking hoo. If they want the liability protections of being a public square they need to actually operate as a public square. Shed some more tears for the oligarchs and corporate overlords. Maybe it will put out the fire on the burning books.

Just an observation - a public square with mandated content would likely require to be publicly funded. Personally I don't care if that whole steaming pile of social media disappears.

You have flipped this on its head. They are not mandating content. They are mandating open access to publish content. Furthermore if they want to limit content, they can, they just need to hold the same liabilities all publishers are held to. These practices are not only illegal under laws regulating publishers and open forums, they violate these sites terms of service, they are also anti-competitive and tortious interference. Furthermore they are explicitly using this position to manipulate elections, and provide millions of dollars of value of in kind campaign contributions. There is simply no way to interpret what is happening now as legal or desirable.
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