Topic: Study: Everyone hates environmentalists and feminists - page 29. (Read 80480 times)

Because there is a hundred year old development of "Socialist feminism", this is nothing new.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=socialist+feminism

There is of course no way a "cultural norm" could do anything but influence peoples' behavior as the vast majority of people are abject sheeple followers.  Throughout history unusual individuals, example very creative individuals, have lived without paying attention to such cultural norms.  Arguments exist and I lean somewhat in their direction that strong cultural norms general strong oppositional norms; hence greater diversity, rather than less.  Clearly this occurs in some types of societies but not others, but it's a good way to look at the matter.

Where this leads is that attempts to influence or change cultural norms from the top down, as is actually attempted by feminists groups and other "issue groups" is outright attempts at creating totalitarianism as far as that aspect of cultural mores is concerned.

Therefore, per the OP.  There are many reasons to "Hate" or ridicule or disregard groups such as feminist groups.  The worst type of "feminist"  (not the BEST, but the WORST) is of course one who sincerely believes in the principles, heads over to the "Feminist group" stays in it even after she/he realizes it's been hijacked by political operatives for political ends.

Yeah, um, I was in a feminist club in my university (even though I'm a guy) and it was not at all like the "whiney self-aggrandized emo 20 somethings" described. They didn't want to be in power and bring men down, and they didn't want things to be built to look like vaginas. What they wanted and were protesting for were things like equal pay, the right to do what they want with their body, not being called sluts just for enjoying sex, and most importantly of all, they were against segregationist gender stereotypes that are still so pervasive in our culture. Starting with blue for boys / pink for girls, going through trucks and construction sets for boys / dolls and play kitchens for girls, and ending with positions of power and dominance in employment for boys / service and support positions for girls. And the cultural "norms" forced on everyone about how boys should be tough, cold, withdrawn, and unemotional, and girls have to act fragile, hyper, nosy, and overly emotional. Which is why I joined too. That whole gender stereotype thing hurts guys as well, since it doesnt allow us to let our emotions out, and we are just forced to keep it all inside and drown it all in alcohol, or slowly die inside 

I'm sort of kidding, of course, but I have seen this cultural expectation really screw with a friend of mine (think about as bad as it can get), and it wasn't something I was personally a fan of either.

Exactly. It's like people campaigning for equal rights for being a minority. They don't want to be elite or think they're better than you, they just want to be treated fairly and the same as everyone else and so they should be. Would you take the extreme opinion of a ranting and raving black supremacist and then say all these Africans activists think they're better than us and hate white people? No. People usually complain for a good reason, and so do most feminists. Most feminists do not want to be treated like poor defenceless animals, they want to be treated as humans.

No they don't. True feminism is about equality. Why do you tar everyone who calls themselves a feminist with the same brush? Is an African female feminist who protests about female circumcision and genital mutilation the same as an angry western lesbian who just hates men? No. I usually find the people who complain about feminists are just closet misogynists.

true, they're mostly narrow minded as they assume they're always right

I don't even given current feminists the stature that you have, as far as I can make out they are simply shills for the latest Democratic political operation.

Otherwise we'd see them other than silent or other than negative on the many conservative women and their issues.

But you never do.  

Never.  And I am not in making these comments attempting to politicize the debate; rather to point out that they politicized the debate, and that feminists who are basically shills for one political party are basically very boring, trivial and uninteresting.

Back to nerdy women now?  That was fun. 

That was the beginning of the End.

That's actually right but it's much worse than that, current feminists are people I consider to be nothing more than gold diggers without the sex, they want men to cater to them in every part of their life and just reverse the typical role of men/women and establish a matriarchy instead of patriarchy, you can see it in the way they protest for things, particularly with how they say "We want equal rights for women" women? What about everybody else? Why just women? Any other protest group or pressure group falls into this trap as well, they'll fight for their corner, but not for anyone else, this is also another reason why our democracies are pretty screwy right now because none of theses groups will ever work together and just want dominance.

The old feminists were definitely feminists compared to the ones you see today, they genuinely fought for equal rights, current feminists fight for special treatment.

So the phrase and it's meaning have been hijacked, and we have to deal with the current meaning and the current intent....

I don't hate feminists. Real feminists where the women that fought for their right to vote, and have an equal chance for success in our society. They stood up for their rights when it was insanely difficult to do so. They lived in a world that looked down on them because of their gender from the day they were born and fought tooth and nail for equality.

Modern day feminism is just a bunch of whiney self-aggrandized emo 20 somethings who subscribe to a philosophy that is as pseudo-intellectual as religion for the most part. There are a few people left who knew what it was originally about but not many. They make a mockery of the sacrifice and work their parents did.

Hell ya.  Nerd women also make lots of money, degrees like cs, petro eng, mechanical eng.

You can have your soft sci wannabe women, them with psych, soc, women's studies, blahblahblah.

What is the opposite of "antifragile" (like bitcoin)? Because reading BitChick's post, I'm led to believe that religion is the opposite of antifragile. The more you try to fix, the worse it gets.

I disagree. For the most part, I think they are equal, or rather the ranges of "womenism" greatly overlap the ranges of "manism" with only minor bits on the fringes of the ranges being actually different. I think majority of the difference between men and women comes from nurture - the way they are raised and the culture they grow up in. Boys and girls are treated differently by their parents from birth, typically following established stereotypes, and the effect is compounded when boys and girls form groups in preschool and school, where they combine and magnify the effects of those stereotypes. In any case, any scientific result claiming that they are similar or different is likely so tainted by our culture as to be worthless.


It is very very much not just you.

Nerd women are hot. But that's just me.

Parity is wrong. Women are not equal to men, that does not mean they are inferior. Just let people do things they can do good.

Not sure it's good to make some people uncomfortable by having them take down their Star Trek posters, just to make someone who is not into that culture feel more comfortable. Wouldn't it be better to get women into Star Trek and videogames instead? I say we need more nerd women, not force our nerd men to be less nerdy

That is such total bullshit.

Another example of some I-know-better-than-you-what's-best-for-you liberal controller targeting a convenient group of exploitation.

[...]
They don’t lead to better hiring outcomes, as Google learned. Its senior vice president for people operations, Laszlo Bock, said last June in an interview with New York Times, “…we found that brainteasers are a complete waste of time. How many golf balls can you fit into an airplane? How many gas stations in Manhattan? A complete waste of time. They don’t predict anything. They serve primarily to make the interviewer feel smart.”

Such hiring practices also disadvantage women. They hurt the employer by limiting the talent pool.  They fortify the male-dominated, frat-boy culture that Silicon Valley is increasingly being criticized for.

Telle Whitney, CEO of Anita Borg Institute, which is working on getting more women to study computer science and have more women fully engaged in creating technology, says its research shows questions such as these cause women to get screened out more often than men. As an example, the superhero concept is going to resonate much more with men, as demonstrated by the demographics of the superhero movie attendance.  Whitney cites research which shows that a strong and pervasive stereotype of computer professionals as devoid of a social life alienates women. Subtle cues in the physical environment of companies such as Star Trek posters and video games lead to women being less interested in being a part of an organization when compared to a neutral office environment. This causes women to self-select out of technology jobs.

Indeed, the trend is getting worse. In 1985, 37 percent of computer science undergraduate degree recipients were women. By 2011 this proportion had dropped to 18 percent. Most technology firms refuse to release gender and diversity numbers. Data collected on Github explains why. Dropbox, for example, had only 9 women in its 143 person engineering team as of October 2013. That’s 6.3 percent in an industry in which 18 percent of the hiring pool is women.

http://venturebeat.com/2014/02/16/dropboxs-hiring-practices-explain-its-disappointing%E2%80%8B-lack-of-female-employees/
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The comments say it all.

If the US Gov is on the job....

and it takes one man one minute...

then with 60 men each working one minute...

they'd have produced a decision to form a committee to write a report on the environmental consequences of digging that post hole...

I guess what I think is that you can't hardly go wrong arguing for an abstraction such as "small government"...