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legendary
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Anarchy is a far more ancient technology.

Anarchy like people are proposing has never existed. We evolved from a tribal/pack species. We always had someone designated a leader, because that was the best way for our species to survive. Eventually those leaders got more and more power, and we ended up with tribal leaders, kings and millitary commanders, then elected representatives and dictators. The idea of everyone being able to make their own decisions, because everyone has access to information, money, production, and defense, has never been attempted before, because it was not possible until quite recently.
hero member
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...Here's a hint on what you were trying to address, but failed as you decided to take a stab at avoidance: Please feel free to attack as best you can environmental controls, regulations, laws, designated wildernesses, and so on.

Once you've done that, we can move forward, rather than engage in this ridiculous conversation where you continually reinforce that you are decidedly not capable of doing what you think you can.
Ad hominum is prima facie losing the argument.

And yes, you are re asserting your desire to shift the goalposts.  They WERE

your ideas....and your beliefs


and now you'd like them to be...

...some group of government policies or regulations which you'd like someone on the internet to "attack".

As previously mentioned I reject the shifting of goalposts.  If you don't like or want the subject of conversation to be you or your beliefs, fine.  

Please feel free to attack as best you can environmental controls, regulations, laws, designated wildernesses, and so on. If you can't do that, then I'll assume that you can't back up your claims about control. Your avoidance is telling. You're a blowhard, a parrot with no substance.

legendary
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Hasn't worked out well compared to what?   Where can i marvel at the environmental mavericks "Preserving species near extition simply by backing up their DNA for future cloning ... terraforming entire planets, and creating biodomes and sustainable ecosystems, able to keep us and a few other select species alive indefinitely in space"?  

LOL! You never fail to demonstrate your complete lack of vision  Cheesy How about DNA banks set up world-wide that collect and preserve DNA of various species of flora and fauna? The ongoing research and planning in NASA and various universities about the techological requirements we would need to terraform Mars and Venus? (we're damn close to getting Mars figured out, to the point that, if we can survive in Antarctic, which we can, we can survive on Mars) The tons of biodome experiments we have had for decades, and still perform? The huge improvements in hydroponics and other tight-space crop growing experiments? I'm not looking all that far out with the stuff you quoted. It's just a small step from where we are now.

Well said. The garbage that spews from various fantasists in this forum is rather amazing, especially when it is bolstered by others as being informed, effective and practical.

I suggest you let go of that tree you've been hugging for the past 50 years, step out of the forest, shave off that enormous mountain-man beard, and go look at what humans have actually been doing with regards to research and science since 1910.
legendary
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Gresham's Lawyer

Nonsense.  I love the governed like i would love a retarded sibling.  Try to understand that the helmet i make you wear is for your own good.

Pardon me, but your misanthropy is showing.
You aren't playing this role of the "liberal elitist", just to discredit the "liberal elite", are you?  Wink
legendary
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The most extraordinary claim I've seen so far is Rassah's. So, therefore, please feel free to attack as best you can environmental controls, regulations, laws, designated wildernesses, and so on.

I agree, it is quite extraordinary that we keep pushing to improve our technology and our ability to control our environment. Genetic sequencing technology has improved dramatically in the last 20 years, genetic crop modification has vastly improved,  cloning is continuing to improve, we can grow food and resources much faster in much harsher environments, we can generate power much more efficiently, water purification systems are becoming much cheaper and more efficient, etc etc etc. None of these claims are all that far fetched though.
legendary
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Huh. So what did we studdy in nature to come up with silicone processors, radios, networks, displays, light sensors, and all that other fancy techy stuff we use in our everyday life? Cause I was under the impression that it mostly had to do with chemistry and physics, not biology or whatever.

I've already been over this. You rudely stated it was elementary. It's in that big post that apparently didn't fully comprehend, though claiming you did. You're blind.

That's not an argument, or a counterpoint. Obviously you did a piss poor job of it, otherwise I wouldn't be asking. And it's rather ironic hearing about rudeness from you of all people. Stop being such as asshole.
legendary
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Now you're just stalling -- how did those "armies killing lawmakers" come to be?  Did people, in all their wisdom, create & become those armies & lawmakers?
'Coz if they did, i wouldn't trust them to wipe their own asses, much less RULE their own dangerous, retarded selves.
These folks obviously need to be taken care of by a fair but firm nanny state, or they'll make moar "armies killing lawmakers." Angry



Nonsense.  I love the governed like i would love a retarded sibling.  Try to understand that the helmet i make you wear is for your own good.


The problem is not with the things you are saying, whether you believe them or were just getting paid to do them. 

The problem is we hear those exact types of things from the government all the time and are pretty sick of it.
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Before going off on another tirade of "Y I Haet Mah Govirmint," please explain how governments came to be, if not through people's epic problem-solving skillz.  Be specific.

If people created a wretched abortion by creating Teh Goment, they obviously can't be trusted with open flame or sharp objects, and must be governed.  Q.E.D.

Governments come to be, from an army killing off all the competing lawmakers of the geography.

Now you're just stalling -- how did those "armies killing lawmakers" come to be?  Did people, in all their wisdom, create & become those armies & lawmakers?
'Coz if they did, i wouldn't trust them to wipe their own asses, much less RULE their own dangerous, retarded selves.
These folks obviously need to be taken care of by a fair but firm nanny state, or they'll make moar "armies killing lawmakers." Angry

Silly questions.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080712113936AAt0UaI

Why do these justifications of yours come down to not trusting people?
I don't hate the government, (even though you think I do) but why do you hate the governed?

Nonsense.  I love the governed like i would love a retarded sibling.  Try to understand that the helmet i make you wear is for your own good.

full member
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The government is ancient technology devised by primitive people.  It proves today just how inept it is at solving modern problems.  

It's like using a horse and buggy to travel from one place to another.  Yes, it was the way to do things for many centuries but really who does it today, when there are far more efficient means of getting around?

Why stick with ancient technologies that have served their purpose and have no validity in the modern day and age?

And I don't hate the government, the government is not anything, it's just a label, an idea.  But I don't like politicians much.

Anarchy is a far more ancient technology.  Not having a government was pioneered by elemental particles during the Big Bang, and remains popular throughout Existence-as-we-know-it today, whatever "today" means to Existence-as-we-know-it.

Carbon[-based life in the Solar system was slow to abandon the ancient technology of Anarchy, with isolated members of Earth's species mockingly referred to as "Homo sapiens sapiens" claiming that it remains viable in this modern day and age.

*Dislike politicians if you must, they will continue to love you with unrequited Unconditional Love.  
 
legendary
Activity: 2912
Merit: 1386
...Here's a hint on what you were trying to address, but failed as you decided to take a stab at avoidance: Please feel free to attack as best you can environmental controls, regulations, laws, designated wildernesses, and so on.

Once you've done that, we can move forward, rather than engage in this ridiculous conversation where you continually reinforce that you are decidedly not capable of doing what you think you can.
Ad hominum is prima facie losing the argument.

And yes, you are re asserting your desire to shift the goalposts.  They WERE

your ideas....and your beliefs


and now you'd like them to be...

...some group of government policies or regulations which you'd like someone on the internet to "attack".

As previously mentioned I reject the shifting of goalposts.  If you don't like or want the subject of conversation to be you or your beliefs, fine.  
full member
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 I am trained in gorilla warfare

You like to kill apes?

If you got apes that need killin' Cool  (See: navy seal copypasta)
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 253
The government is ancient technology devised by primitive people.  It proves today just how inept it is at solving modern problems.  

It's like using a horse and buggy to travel from one place to another.  Yes, it was the way to do things for many centuries but really who does it today, when there are far more efficient means of getting around?

Why stick with ancient technologies that have served their purpose and have no validity in the modern day and age?

And I don't hate the government, the government is not anything, it's just a label, an idea.  But I don't like politicians much.
legendary
Activity: 1204
Merit: 1002
Gresham's Lawyer
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Before going off on another tirade of "Y I Haet Mah Govirmint," please explain how governments came to be, if not through people's epic problem-solving skillz.  Be specific.

If people created a wretched abortion by creating Teh Goment, they obviously can't be trusted with open flame or sharp objects, and must be governed.  Q.E.D.

Governments come to be, from an army killing off all the competing lawmakers of the geography.

Now you're just stalling -- how did those "armies killing lawmakers" come to be?  Did people, in all their wisdom, create & become those armies & lawmakers?
'Coz if they did, i wouldn't trust them to wipe their own asses, much less RULE their own dangerous, retarded selves.
These folks obviously need to be taken care of by a fair but firm nanny state, or they'll make moar "armies killing lawmakers." Angry

Silly questions.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080712113936AAt0UaI

Why do these justifications of yours come down to not trusting people?
I don't hate the government, (even though you think I do) but why do you hate the governed?
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 253
 I am trained in gorilla warfare

You like to kill apes?
full member
Activity: 210
Merit: 100
...
Before going off on another tirade of "Y I Haet Mah Govirmint," please explain how governments came to be, if not through people's epic problem-solving skillz.  Be specific.

If people created a wretched abortion by creating Teh Goment, they obviously can't be trusted with open flame or sharp objects, and must be governed.  Q.E.D.

Governments come to be, from an army killing off all the competing lawmakers of the geography.

Now you're just stalling -- how did those "armies killing lawmakers" come to be?  Did people, in all their wisdom, create & become those armies & lawmakers?
'Coz if they did, i wouldn't trust them to wipe their own asses, much less RULE their own dangerous, retarded selves.
These folks obviously need to be taken care of by a fair but firm nanny state, or they'll make moar "armies killing lawmakers." Angry
full member
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What I may know about water, aerosol particle formation, deep ocean heat, oxygen isotopes, upper stratosphere heat exchange, Naviar Stokes modeling of turbulence, mathematics of chaotic behavior, etc, isn't relevant one bit to the discussion.
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Is pretty laughable, given that I've just spent about two years on a major effort, one sizable part of which has been studying radical environmentalism, it's leaders, methods, tactics, strategies, and it's successes and mistakes.  It's not the most interesting subject, one could pick better. 

"What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fu..."

yeah.
legendary
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Bitcoin
Im Canadian and environmentalist !
They did not ask me for this survey ;P
legendary
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Gresham's Lawyer
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I just don't think the government is generally as good at solving problems as people are.
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What you seem to miss is Teh Gobmint *is* people solving problems.  It didn't magically appear, it wasn't imposed by aliens.  It was mankind's solution -- a tool made to solve problems.  The fact that this tool is universally present tells us ether:
a.  It's a good & effective way to solve problems or
b.  People can't solve problems for sour apples, making stupit n00b mistaeks, like the governments.
No, maybe he didn't miss that.  And maybe you are simply wrong.  The "government" is not people solving problems.  That would be classified as one subset of activity.  Another would be "government" NOT solving problems.  And yet another would be govenrment creating problems, intentionally and unintentionally.

So forth and so on.  And throughout history, from time to time governments collapse due to their own problems and inefficiencies, and at other times thrive.  Your (a) and (b) are not actually descriptive.

Before going off on another tirade of "Y I Haet Mah Govirmint," please explain how governments came to be, if not through people's epic problem-solving skillz.  Be specific.

If people created a wretched abortion by creating Teh Goment, they obviously can't be trusted with open flame or sharp objects, and must be governed.  Q.E.D.

Governments come to be, from an army killing off all the competing lawmakers of the geography.
hero member
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....Explain why my vision is dark. Explain how Rassah's vision is wonderful. Factor in the information I have freely provided to you in this post, which is a lot more than you have. In fact, you have provided no information, nor demonstrated any knowledge about the environment.
Generally, the one who makes the extraordinary claim must support it.

What I may know about water, aerosol particle formation, deep ocean heat, oxygen isotopes, upper stratosphere heat exchange, Naviar Stokes modeling of turbulence, mathematics of chaotic behavior, etc, isn't relevant one bit to the discussion.

Your vision is dark because of it's premise that some (you) know best and may self-affirm their right to control others' behavior.  

This has not worked out very well, historically.  Some of the other people have made some very good comments in this thread, by the way.  
.....please feel free to attack as best you can environmental controls, regulations, laws, designated wildernesses, and so on.
This is called in debate "shifting the goalposts".  I reject it as an answer.  You asked what I thought was "dark" about your vision, and I tried to answer clearly and without any personal attack.  

Hello? Anybody home? You made statements that my vision is dark because of control. So I pointed out those controls and asked you to attack them. I guess you can't. Probably due to lack of knowledge. Thus you fall back on your ineffectual memes, which of course, aren't indicative of thought or knowledge, but parroting, repeating what your idols say.
Oh.  So as opposed to 'your control', you would like to take the stand that the government's controls are what I must criticize?  But they are not 'your controls', because they allow massive amounts of drilling and shale oil extraction which increases every year.  They allow massive amounts of carbon 'pollution' without any real control, in spite of some threats and hand waving by the EPA and the current administration.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that you were a true environmentalist.  And such a person would never take the stand that the environmental position of the US government was his position.

And this kind of talk -

I guess you can't. Probably due to lack of knowledge. Thus you fall back on your ineffectual memes, which of course, aren't indicative of thought or knowledge, but parroting, repeating what your idols say.

Is pretty laughable, given that I've just spent about two years on a major effort, one sizable part of which has been studying radical environmentalism, it's leaders, methods, tactics, strategies, and it's successes and mistakes.  It's not the most interesting subject, one could pick better. 

Shooting blanks, are you? Instead of being a blowhard and a parrot, try to shine amongst the sea of stupidity here, and cogently address what you thought you were addressing. Here's a hint on what you were trying to address, but failed as you decided to take a stab at avoidance: Please feel free to attack as best you can environmental controls, regulations, laws, designated wildernesses, and so on.

Once you've done that, we can move forward, rather than engage in this ridiculous conversation where you continually reinforce that you are decidedly not capable of doing what you think you can.
legendary
Activity: 2912
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....Explain why my vision is dark. Explain how Rassah's vision is wonderful. Factor in the information I have freely provided to you in this post, which is a lot more than you have. In fact, you have provided no information, nor demonstrated any knowledge about the environment.
Generally, the one who makes the extraordinary claim must support it.

What I may know about water, aerosol particle formation, deep ocean heat, oxygen isotopes, upper stratosphere heat exchange, Naviar Stokes modeling of turbulence, mathematics of chaotic behavior, etc, isn't relevant one bit to the discussion.

Your vision is dark because of it's premise that some (you) know best and may self-affirm their right to control others' behavior.  

This has not worked out very well, historically.  Some of the other people have made some very good comments in this thread, by the way.  
.....please feel free to attack as best you can environmental controls, regulations, laws, designated wildernesses, and so on.
This is called in debate "shifting the goalposts".  I reject it as an answer.  You asked what I thought was "dark" about your vision, and I tried to answer clearly and without any personal attack.  

Hello? Anybody home? You made statements that my vision is dark because of control. So I pointed out those controls and asked you to attack them. I guess you can't. Probably due to lack of knowledge. Thus you fall back on your ineffectual memes, which of course, aren't indicative of thought or knowledge, but parroting, repeating what your idols say.
Oh.  So as opposed to 'your control', you would like to take the stand that the government's controls are what I must criticize?  But they are not 'your controls', because they allow massive amounts of drilling and shale oil extraction which increases every year.  They allow massive amounts of carbon 'pollution' without any real control, in spite of some threats and hand waving by the EPA and the current administration.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought that you were a true environmentalist.  And such a person would never take the stand that the environmental position of the US government was his position.

And this kind of talk -

I guess you can't. Probably due to lack of knowledge. Thus you fall back on your ineffectual memes, which of course, aren't indicative of thought or knowledge, but parroting, repeating what your idols say.

Is pretty laughable, given that I've just spent about two years on a major effort, one sizable part of which has been studying radical environmentalism, it's leaders, methods, tactics, strategies, and it's successes and mistakes.  It's not the most interesting subject, one could pick better. 
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