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legendary
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So, what steps do you think environmental activists could take, independent of others, that might alleviate the ill-will that much of society seems to have for them?

I can't say that environmental activists are creating a backlash that is greater or less than the awareness they create. Nor can you.



Fair enough point, considering that quantifying that would be quite subjective in the first place.

Yet the ill-will is there, and is having a notable impact.

If there were steps that activists could take on their own that could lessen the generation of ill-will (without a disproportionate expenditure of effort to do so,) then wouldn't it make sense for the activists to take such steps?

We just agreed that we can't say that the ill will activists create nullifies the awareness they create.

^I wonder if the distaste for environmentalist types is a result of dictating people's opinions to them an arrogance?^

Just because people don't want to drink your brand of kool-aid doesn't mean they don't care about the environment.
sr. member
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Both these movements are artificially driven by the state. Basically an excuse for socialism; increased state power.


Lol, more paranoia please Roll Eyes
You might dislike it, but girls got paid less than boys and they are not more stupid.


I think that it is kinda unfair.

I think it`s fair enough.Sad truth is that man are superb Cheesy
legendary
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Actually, it is complicated. Let's pretend you know why they dislike environmentalists. Now, ask yourself this: do you dislike environmentalists? Regardless of your answer, answer why you like or dislike them. And when you arrive at the answer to why, you'll then have to confront your own lack of knowledge with regard to the subject of environmentalism itself to realize if your answer to "why" has any validity to it.
No, actually it's not complicated.

It's a bit like people who might believe in religion but they don't like snotty street corner preachers pushing bibles in their face when they walk by.

It has nothing at all to do with the knowledge base and shouldn't. 
hero member
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So, what steps do you think environmental activists could take, independent of others, that might alleviate the ill-will that much of society seems to have for them?

I can't say that environmental activists are creating a backlash that is greater or less than the awareness they create. Nor can you.



Fair enough point, considering that quantifying that would be quite subjective in the first place.

Yet the ill-will is there, and is having a notable impact.

If there were steps that activists could take on their own that could lessen the generation of ill-will (without a disproportionate expenditure of effort to do so,) then wouldn't it make sense for the activists to take such steps?

We just agreed that we can't say that the ill will activists create nullifies the awareness they create.
legendary
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So, what steps do you think environmental activists could take, independent of others, that might alleviate the ill-will that much of society seems to have for them?

I can't say that environmental activists are creating a backlash that is greater or less than the awareness they create. Nor can you.



Fair enough point, considering that quantifying that would be quite subjective in the first place.

Yet the ill-will is there, and is having a notable impact.

If there were steps that activists could take on their own that could lessen the generation of ill-will (without a disproportionate expenditure of effort to do so,) then wouldn't it make sense for the activists to take such steps?
hero member
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I'm ignoring irrelevancies.

No. You're spouting opinions about a subject you refuse to get educated on.

I live in Western Kentucky. Believe me, I'm well educated on the opinions of a good segment of society toward environmentalists. And, like them or not, Kentuckians and people of similar mindset vote; it might be wise to at least acknowledge that their opinions are what they are.

It doesn't matter how educated your on their opinions. You can't judge them unless you understand environmentalism.

That... makes no sense.

They dislike environmentalists, and I know in good detail the general reasons behind why the bulk of them do. It's not complicated.

Actually, it is complicated. Let's pretend you know

Are you high?

Do you have any inkling of the response your posts on this thread would get from the majority of folks I know? Do you understand that you're helping make their case for them? Or why?

No. I'm not high. What I'm doing is qualifying your lack of knowledge on the subject.

So, what steps do you think environmental activists could take, independent of others, that might alleviate the ill-will that much of society seems to have for them?

I can't say that environmental activists are creating a backlash that is greater or less than the awareness they create. Nor can you.

What I can say is that the U.S. is behind when it comes to scientific education, relative to other nations.

And if you want to see a form of activism that you're apparently unaware of, then head on over to Patagonia and do some
reading. Again, you don't have the full picture. Here are some links:

Among Giants: http://www.thecleanestline.com/2013/08/among-giants-a-film-about-making-change-in-the-world.html

80,000 Dams, 51 Interviews: http://www.thecleanestline.com/2013/07/damnation-80000-dams-51-interviews-and-one-film.html

Damnation trailer: http://www.damnationfilm.com/

http://www.thecleanestline.com/

http://www.thecleanestline.com/page/2/

http://www.thecleanestline.com/page/3/
legendary
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I'm ignoring irrelevancies.

No. You're spouting opinions about a subject you refuse to get educated on.

I live in Western Kentucky. Believe me, I'm well educated on the opinions of a good segment of society toward environmentalists. And, like them or not, Kentuckians and people of similar mindset vote; it might be wise to at least acknowledge that their opinions are what they are.

It doesn't matter how educated your on their opinions. You can't judge them unless you understand environmentalism.

That... makes no sense.

They dislike environmentalists, and I know in good detail the general reasons behind why the bulk of them do. It's not complicated.

Actually, it is complicated. Let's pretend you know

Are you high?

Do you have any inkling of the response your posts on this thread would get from the majority of folks I know? Do you understand that you're helping make their case for them? Or why?

No. I'm not high. What I'm doing is qualifying your lack of knowledge on the subject.

So, what steps do you think environmental activists could take, independent of others, that might alleviate the ill-will that much of society seems to have for them?
hero member
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I'm ignoring irrelevancies.

No. You're spouting opinions about a subject you refuse to get educated on.

I live in Western Kentucky. Believe me, I'm well educated on the opinions of a good segment of society toward environmentalists. And, like them or not, Kentuckians and people of similar mindset vote; it might be wise to at least acknowledge that their opinions are what they are.

It doesn't matter how educated your on their opinions. You can't judge them unless you understand environmentalism.

That... makes no sense.

They dislike environmentalists, and I know in good detail the general reasons behind why the bulk of them do. It's not complicated.

Actually, it is complicated. Let's pretend you know

Are you high?

Do you have any inkling of the response your posts on this thread would get from the majority of folks I know? Do you understand that you're helping make their case for them? Or why?

No. I'm not high. What I'm doing is qualifying your lack of knowledge on the subject. It's so fucking lacking, all you can do is state that you have an opinion about people in a subset of the U.S. who have an opinion about something you know nothing about.

In case you didn't know, that long post I made a while back was a copy and paste of a post in reply to your own ignorance in another thread about one year ago. Your response to it one year ago? It was, and I quote verbatim:

That was longer than expected. And I think in presenting all that, you've brought up another issue (not really related to ecology even) that makes this whole thing even messier.

I'll be fair and give your post a full reading, even though my response won't touch on most of it. I'll post the response in due time.

And you never did touch on the post in due time. You chose to remain ignorant then, and now.

legendary
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I'm ignoring irrelevancies.

No. You're spouting opinions about a subject you refuse to get educated on.

I live in Western Kentucky. Believe me, I'm well educated on the opinions of a good segment of society toward environmentalists. And, like them or not, Kentuckians and people of similar mindset vote; it might be wise to at least acknowledge that their opinions are what they are.

It doesn't matter how educated your on their opinions. You can't judge them unless you understand environmentalism.

That... makes no sense.

They dislike environmentalists, and I know in good detail the general reasons behind why the bulk of them do. It's not complicated.

Actually, it is complicated. Let's pretend you know

Are you high?

Do you have any inkling of the response your posts on this thread would get from the majority of folks I know? Do you understand that you're helping make their case for them? Or why?
legendary
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Feminism

In one, the participants—228 Americans recruited via Amazon’s Mechanical Turk—described both varieties of activists in “overwhelmingly negative” terms. [...]

Another study, featuring 17 male and 45 female undergraduates, confirmed the pervasiveness of those stereotypes.

Well, that makes sense. North American women have little to complain about. Now, if you're a woman and you live in one of those fancy countries where you're not allowed to use a t-shirt or drive a car and get executed for adultery if somebody rapes you, well, that's a different story.

It's because feminists can't be hot, and environmentalists have to be religious style preacher types.

You know, now that you point it out I'm kind of surprised that the second study confirmed this result regarding feminism, considering it was undergrads (and 75% female at that.)

hero member
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I'm ignoring irrelevancies.

No. You're spouting opinions about a subject you refuse to get educated on.

I live in Western Kentucky. Believe me, I'm well educated on the opinions of a good segment of society toward environmentalists. And, like them or not, Kentuckians and people of similar mindset vote; it might be wise to at least acknowledge that their opinions are what they are.

It doesn't matter how educated your on their opinions. You can't judge them unless you understand environmentalism.

That... makes no sense.

They dislike environmentalists, and I know in good detail the general reasons behind why the bulk of them do. It's not complicated.

Actually, it is complicated. Let's pretend you know why they dislike environmentalists. Now, ask yourself this: do you dislike environmentalists? Regardless of your answer, answer why you like or dislike them. And when you arrive at the answer to why, you'll then have to confront your own lack of knowledge with regard to the subject of environmentalism itself to realize if your answer to "why" has any validity to it.
newbie
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I thought this was obvious.

Now, if we can figure out how to separate the important issues each group talks about from the groups themselves, we're golden.
legendary
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I'm ignoring irrelevancies.

No. You're spouting opinions about a subject you refuse to get educated on.

I live in Western Kentucky. Believe me, I'm well educated on the opinions of a good segment of society toward environmentalists. And, like them or not, Kentuckians and people of similar mindset vote; it might be wise to at least acknowledge that their opinions are what they are.

It doesn't matter how educated your on their opinions. You can't judge them unless you understand environmentalism.

That... makes no sense.

They dislike environmentalists, and I know in good detail the general reasons behind why the bulk of them do. It's not complicated.
hero member
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I'm ignoring irrelevancies.

No. You're spouting opinions about a subject you refuse to get educated on.

I live in Western Kentucky. Believe me, I'm well educated on the opinions of a good segment of society toward environmentalists. And, like them or not, Kentuckians and people of similar mindset vote; it might be wise to at least acknowledge that their opinions are what they are.

It doesn't matter how educated your on their opinions. You can't judge them unless you understand environmentalism.
legendary
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I'm ignoring irrelevancies.

No. You're spouting opinions about a subject you refuse to get educated on.

I live in Western Kentucky. Believe me, I'm well educated on the opinions of a good segment of society toward environmentalists. And, like them or not, Kentuckians and people of similar mindset vote; it might be wise to at least acknowledge that their opinions are what they are.
hero member
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Many environmentalists have hidden agentas.
I don't hate them but my first reaction towards someone that claims to be an environmentalist is that he is a hypocrite.
That being said i think we all must do our share for a cleaner environment.

Your viewpoint simply isn't constructive. Doing your share isn't about recycling bottles. What "doing your share" really is, is understanding what's really going on, or, of you're not interested, then "doing your share" means, don't make statements that environmentalists are hypocrites.

I didn't say that environmentalists are hypocrites. I said many of them are.
I 'm not talking about the funny tree-hugging hippies that i really like but about guys with actual power in their hands that are cutting down forests in order to install wind turbines! And all that in the name of alternative power sources.

You're referring to entrepreneurs, a class of person that I did not necessarily qualify as an environmentalist several posts back. However, some entrepreneurs are very respectable environmentalists, such as Yvon Chouinard, founder and CEO of Patagonia.
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I'm ignoring irrelevancies.

No. You're spouting opinions about a subject you refuse to get educated on. Your non education is not my affair, unless you hold an ill informed opinion on something I know about. Regardless of the subject here, your "opinion" would be more effective, more informed, and more intelligent if it were supported with some knowledge. Otherwise, one can only conclude that it is less effective, less informed, and less intelligent.
legendary
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Feminism

In one, the participants—228 Americans recruited via Amazon’s Mechanical Turk—described both varieties of activists in “overwhelmingly negative” terms. [...]

Another study, featuring 17 male and 45 female undergraduates, confirmed the pervasiveness of those stereotypes.

Well, that makes sense. North American women have little to complain about. Now, if you're a woman and you live in one of those fancy countries where you're not allowed to use a t-shirt or drive a car and get executed for adultery if somebody rapes you, well, that's a different story.


You know, now that you point it out I'm kind of surprised that the second study confirmed this result regarding feminism, considering it was undergrads (and 75% female at that.)
sr. member
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Many environmentalists have hidden agentas.
I don't hate them but my first reaction towards someone that claims to be an environmentalist is that he is a hypocrite.
That being said i think we all must do our share for a cleaner environment.

Your viewpoint simply isn't constructive. Doing your share isn't about recycling bottles. What "doing your share" really is, is understanding what's really going on, or, of you're not interested, then "doing your share" means, don't make statements that environmentalists are hypocrites.

I didn't say that environmentalists are hypocrites. I said many of them are.
I 'm not talking about the funny tree-hugging hippies that i really like but about guys with actual power in their hands that are cutting down forests in order to install wind turbines! And all that in the name of alternative power sources.
legendary
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Many environmentalists have hidden agentas.
I don't hate them but my first reaction towards someone that claims to be an environmentalist is that he is a hypocrite.
That being said i think we all must do our share for a cleaner environment.

Your viewpoint simply isn't constructive. Doing your share isn't about recycling bottles. What "doing your share" really is, is understanding what's really going on, or, of you're not interested, then "doing your share" means, don't make statements that environmentalists are hypocrites.

You're not helping the problem here.


It might help if you delineate between pollution issues and others in your mind. Again, most people are on board with stopping pollution. But the public image of environmentalists is NOT of courageous people stopping the powerful from polluting on innocent people's property. Not by a long shot. Using that aspect of activism as a starting point is going to lead you astray if you really want to know what's behind this study's results; to address the image problem, you have to address the actual intrusions of environmental activists into private affairs (i.e., no third party [EDIT: as in a *person*] is getting their property, food, water or air damaged.)

Please stop making posts until you have digested that long post I made.

No.

So you're engaging in willful ignorance then?

I'm ignoring irrelevancies.

If you expect the average person to spend dozens of hours studying up on environmental issues, or to take steps to become "fully environmentally aware" or whatever before they can open their mouth or speak out against a law, you're not only being unreasonable, but your insistence is fueling the negative backlash on environmentalists, and by association environmentalism.

The topic here is why do people dislike environmentalists. I don't think you're giving that thought much consideration in your responses.
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