Study says being rich is determined by chance rather than intelligence or talent - page 24.

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Quote from: mOgliE on March 09, 2018, 09:55:34 AM

AND you need to be born in the good family. You don't necessarily need to be rich (but it helps A LOT) but what you really need is a great environment in which growing up. Just because what you learn when you grow up can hardly be caught up afterwards. Your family will transmit culture, behaviour, opinions, way of being with other people. That may not seem a big deal but it is.

And if you pay attention to those "great stories" of people starting from nothing and inventing something truly amazing... Well, actually in most cases they grew up in families that had no big issues with money and that had enough to allow them go to school. Even if they chose to drop school, they had financial means to go. And that makes a huge difference!

I strongly support this view. It is a big deal and it does look exactly that, at least to me. The way you are raised determines your future and your success or failure in life, end of story. And even if you are well aware of your bad habits and behaviors that you acquired when you were a child due to parents neglect or otherwise, they will be hard to get rid of. That will require a lot of effort on your part, an effort which can be spent on something else, something more productive, while the feeling of a wasted childhood or youth will never truly leave you.

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This is a highly convening fact and I thinknow it is the combination of both. Being rich can been saying is not the product of hard work and I actually think it is a product of intelligence working and combinations of luck or being favour by God. I have seeing many people working hard but they are as poor as chuch rats.

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Quote from: markk94 on March 08, 2018, 06:29:18 PM

yeah, i have seen some videos on youtube that discuss this term. each person have their time to reach "success". the important matter is when you got the chance for to do a thing that could make you rich (success). but, i think that intelligence and talent have some part in this world related to success.

I agree with your that talent and intelligence also contribute to a persons success, and its attitude towards life too. Though by fate a person may success, he needs those quality too.If he is steadfast and consistent to reach his dreams, anytime he can reach it.

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nothing can change a person's fate except from the person himself, it all depends on our own whether to try or not, I believe the effort does not betray the results. unless it is already rich derivatives.

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Well study shows that a lot of rich is determined on how they strive , how they wanted it , it's not only intelligence or talent basis though you only need is faith on God , and be optimistic. And there are many ways to be rich , sometimes you need to face the problem and mostly the rejection , and mistake. And this things are needed or a fuel to you , to strive more , don't give up.

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It can be either of the mentioned above. There are rich people who are rich because of their talent, degree, or intelligence. There are people who are rich because of their luck. There are people who are rich because of their personality and hard work. Being rich is not just decided by one factor, there are people who are really smart, however, their knowledge and skills are not being utilized properly.

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“It is evident that the most successful individuals are also the luckiest ones,” they say. “And the less successful individuals are also the unluckiest ones.”

This is true, but only to an extent. For example there are individuals who have become rich by robbing their own people while holding positions of ministers, lawmakers and other governmental officials. Almost all of them are very rich although they are definitely not very talented. But can we call them "the luckiest ones"? I don't think so. Can you imagine saying "He was so lucky to have the opportunity to lay his hands on the money instead of transfering it to children's hospital!"?
IMO a great percentage of the richest people in the world are either the ones I described or their genetic relatives, and unfortunately the study doesn't cover this at all.

I tend to disagree with you on this one. Unless you have a favor of an influential figure or come from a prominent family, you should be exceptionally lucky to get into a position on your own where you can "lay your hands on the money". I think the competition in the "field" should be even more cut-throatish than anywhere else. It doesn't mean that it is not possible, but there is always something which we don't know and maybe don't even want to know behind some random dude rising to power.

And just to survive in a revolution you should be twice as lucky. Revolutions devour their children.

I agree with you. I even think that no luck can help you to get into that position and then stay there unless you have connections to an influential family. Random people who were lucky enough to get there either get killed or put in prison pretty quickly. Hence, those who can stay there for a long time are from high-profile families mostly, and being neither smart nor lucky they are still rich.

Yeah, this is why we need powerful and mighty clans to back us up if we want to survive in politics. The Bush family in the US seems to be the most notorious example as of recent, and probably of all times, where you can be just plain stupid ("if we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure") and still become a US president if you have an influential family propping you up.

"I believe God wants me to be president."

Haha, right. But to be honest I don't think Bush the junior is that bad actually. After seeing Harold & Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay, I can't help but thinking of him like of that guy in the movie.

But still, I think being rich is neither determined by intelligence or talent, nor by chance, like the study suggests.

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Quote from: zhea on March 08, 2018, 06:44:53 AM

Yes i will definitely agree that being rich is sometimes determined by chance. But we all know that rich people nowadays are those who came from a wealthy clan. There are also chances that a certain people become rich because of luck and some other people get rich because of their hardwork and determination to get what they want in life. Another thing to consider is the skills, techniques and the talent that is being used plus the resources to be use to start a business and become succeesful someday.

The way the world is, it has been in a way that the rich will keep getting richer and sometimes the poor getting poorer unless by chance they are able to get out of that jinx. I would say everything about life is by chance and the truth is that if you want to actually check the average of those who are wealthy, just few of them are smart and intelligent while for some of them, the smart and intelligent ones are the ones busy building their dreams. Sure, we cannot always rely on chance, but one way or the other, it just happens.

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Based on some of the success stories that you will hear on the internet, it seems that way. Those who were successful in life and got rich mostly tried something daring and got successful because of the need of the people. They are inventors and trend setters who don't need to be intelligent. Just smart on what to do and having the right timing.

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Hi,

Luck is not everything.

Neither is talent, or intelligence.

You need a bit of all that. You need to be daring.

AND you need to be born in the good family. You don't necessarily need to be rich (but it helps A LOT) but what you really need is a great environment in which growing up. Just because what you learn when you grow up can hardly be caught up afterwards. Your family will transmit culture, behaviour, opinions, way of being with other people. That may not seem a big deal but it is.

And if you pay attention to those "great stories" of people starting from nothing and inventing something truly amazing... Well, actually in most cases they grew up in families that had no big issues with money and that had enough to allow them go to school. Even if they chose to drop school, they had financial means to go. And that makes a huge difference!

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Quote from: whitecaramel1 on March 09, 2018, 04:39:42 AM

I think there are so many reasons of becoming rich one is through inheritance and also some people become rich because they have the knowledge and luck in life, they are also devoted in their work so they become successful and rich.

Sometimes becoming rich is base on how well you managed your life. Lucky if you were born in a well off family that everything is all set for you the time you were born. But to those who were not so lucky that needs to work hard to reach their goals sometimes it can be base on luck and strategy to win success.

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I think there are so many reasons of becoming rich one is through inheritance and also some people become rich because they have the knowledge and luck in life, they are also devoted in their work so they become successful and rich.

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Quote from: sheldonnnn on March 08, 2018, 06:58:27 AM

Yes, the most successful people are not the most talented, just the luckiest. But luck, by itself, doesn’t control all aspects. Some of the richest people in the world today (founders of Google, Facebook, Yahoo etc) got that way because they really worked hard to make their vision come true. Yes, they got lucky by finding the right people, getting funding at the right time etc but they also made their own luck.

Yes, working hard is good and I will not dispute that fact, but the truth is that how many people really worked hard and ended up getting the life they really deserved with their hard work.

We just have to face the fact that the way things are, some will have a chance to make it hugely in life, while some will just have to keep working hard and not ending up getting as rich as those who do not even have ideas as much as them ended up getting. The fact that those ones you mentioned had a product, people accepted it and became a household name all still balled down to chance.

If you work hard, your boss will get richer, not you. As the saying goes, you should work smart, not hard. There are various opinions which people have about working smart instead of working hard. Myself, I tend to think that working smart means creating the circumstances or environment where you have more chances to get a lucky moment. And when you see it, don't wait or hesitate but jump at the opportunity presented immediately.

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Quote from: sheldonnnn on March 08, 2018, 06:58:27 AM

Yes, the most successful people are not the most talented, just the luckiest. But luck, by itself, doesn’t control all aspects. Some of the richest people in the world today (founders of Google, Facebook, Yahoo etc) got that way because they really worked hard to make their vision come true. Yes, they got lucky by finding the right people, getting funding at the right time etc but they also made their own luck.

Yes, working hard is good and I will not dispute that fact, but the truth is that how many people really worked hard and ended up getting the life they really deserved with their hard work.

We just have to face the fact that the way things are, some will have a chance to make it hugely in life, while some will just have to keep working hard and not ending up getting as rich as those who do not even have ideas as much as them ended up getting. The fact that those ones you mentioned had a product, people accepted it and became a household name all still balled down to chance.

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Interesting study indeed. I do agree to a specific degree on this matter. I think it's a combination of all three factors, however luck might play the most important role among them. Not all people have the same opportunities, regardless of their intelligence or talent level, thus, the luckier ones may end up with a better paying job while having less qualifications than someone else. There are many factors that can affect someone's life, such as place of birth, family and generally all surrounding environment.

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Some luck is needed everywhere and in everything. For example if you born in place where you live very poorly, your paren't can't feed you well, you have no chance to get even basic education, then your life has just no future whatever will happen.
Being rich is determined by how smart you are and here no one means your talent in math. You just have to be smart and to be fair, for being really rich, you have to do dirty job.

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Quote from: Tosin12 on March 01, 2018, 08:12:33 PM

Being rich is according to fate and predestination

I can say that being rich comes by fate and chances but people depends on their luck. But, for me the thing you could do to be rich is you are wise enough. Poverty is not a hindrance for you to be a successful individual but if you choose to be wise,skilfull, use your brain, determination and have faith in God to become rich it will lead you to success. Stop being lazy!

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This is somehow true, I knew many success stories of people that not actually attain a better education than other or have a great intelligent mind. But they are very successful in business or in their career.

I knew someone who working as building construction helper for several years and he hasn't make to go even in high school. However, he's time has come and become a successful businessman.

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yeah, i have seen some videos on youtube that discuss this term. each person have their time to reach "success". the important matter is when you got the chance for to do a thing that could make you rich (success). but, i think that intelligence and talent have some part in this world related to success.

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I can say being rich is can be by fate and by determination because if you are fate to be born i a golden plate then you are lucky you wont suffer from poverty but POVERTY does not mean you don't have the chance to get rich if you just know how to work hard,determination and positive attitude it will lead you to success. I always believe in this saying " IT IS NOT WRONG TO BE BORN POOR BUT IT IS WRONG TO DIE POOR ".

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