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Topic: Suggestions to prevent scammers launch new shitcoins - page 4. (Read 4810 times)

legendary
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The best way to avoid pump and dump coin is never participate in any.
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Fica Tranquilo
Stick to bitcoin, problem solved!
sr. member
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This is the never ending problem with an unregulate free market. If you regulate the market, you will get hate because you are quote limiting odds of something good popping out.
If you do not regulate the market, you risk being flooded with shit. Its a double sided sworded.
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Anonymity is suspect in any market, not just crypto. Stand behind your product. If people don't have a reputation to protect, or a fear of being penalized by their actions, and simply reap the rewards from their scams over and over, there is no deterrent to the behavior. And then mining and buying their scam coins encourages them to continue to make more of them. The problem is obvious, the solution perhaps not so. I used to mine new coins but lately with all the big x11 pump and dump shit coins I am sticking with the ones with a track record. My little gpu is loving merge-mining Blakecoin and Dirac right now. A way to vet the Devs would be a good start but it is the wild west out there, and isn't that part of what makes this crypto-adventure fun?

I like this one: "Stand behind your product." I added it to the OP.
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Isn't it simple? You refresh the page, and see 'Sorry but this part of the forum has been closed, please use 'insertforumname' for altcoin related discussions'.

That's possible. We'll see how much this forum is tolerable to critics and if any of the moderators is related to the scams.
newbie
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Anonymity is suspect in any market, not just crypto. Stand behind your product. If people don't have a reputation to protect, or a fear of being penalized by their actions, and simply reap the rewards from their scams over and over, there is no deterrent to the behavior. And then mining and buying their scam coins encourages them to continue to make more of them. The problem is obvious, the solution perhaps not so. I used to mine new coins but lately with all the big x11 pump and dump shit coins I am sticking with the ones with a track record. My little gpu is loving merge-mining Blakecoin and Dirac right now. A way to vet the Devs would be a good start but it is the wild west out there, and isn't that part of what makes this crypto-adventure fun?
legendary
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Terminated.
Isn't it simple? You refresh the page, and see 'Sorry but this part of the forum has been closed, please use 'insertforumname' for altcoin related discussions'.
hero member
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Market needs a lot more coins, why stiffle innovation?

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Guys, I've updated the OP. I like to know your feedback.
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best thing to do is make it clear to new comers that their time is going to be wasted chasing get rich quick schemes.  They need to learn what they should invest in what they shouldn't or their will be new waves of people who fall victim to the scams.  This is a very important issue and I'm going to get following along and adding my thoughts and opinions.  The best thing is to cut off the flow of people participating in the pump and dumps to stifle such activity from taking place.  Then there will be no incentive to create so many worthless coins IMO.

I updated the OP. Your first idea can be listed (almost) under "Crypto Association/Foundation/Group" and the second one under Market Manipulation. Looking forward to see your new ideas. Wink
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First of all: newbie accounts created only to start a coin should be banned, unless they are known alt of a trusted member.

Beyond that, I think no rules should be enforced, only we educate people for them to know the risks they are taking(scams - alt accounts - etc), and make maybe a group of experienced users to review the coins. As long the group didn't get corrupted, it will be worth.



Who should confirm that a new account is an alt of a trusted person? Forum Mods?

Giving some details about "a group of experienced users" would be nice. Who can choose them? I added your suggestion to the OP under "Certification Group" case.
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well tbh you can not prevent it, they will launch no matter what the scam coins, and some might even be legit who have a new account, you can not say that for sure, the other thing is people need to see if it is a scam or not they need to do their research and also to keep track and be up to date with the coins they invest in.

in my opinion all those coins will be co-existing even if some or in these days many are short lived, if you think about it you can compare it with a car. there are so many brands. ok maybe not such a good example. lol maybe it is better to compare it with linux distributions, there are so many out there.

I agree that a few devs with new accounts have launched great coins, and I'm aware that maybe the reason that they don't use their original username is to be anonymous. In my opinion, launching a good coin can be a great resume for the dev if he really is committed to his coin and his community. On the other hand, cheating devs like to hide their identity by using new accounts. An original username is not a complete ID of a person. Do you think asking a dev to use his/her original username is too much to induce some trust?

Speaking of Linux distributions, what do programmers earn to work in an open source project? Is it Resume? It's interesting for me to know.
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my talking "offensive" as you characterized it is to get you all to wake up..

sorry but naive noobs show up here and post the same damn topics non stop forever

your not going to get a collection of possible solutions OP
i told you what the answer was and i am right.

it has to do with noobs showing up here waaaaaaaay late and learning JUST NOW things are corrupt..
well some of us have been telling you NON stop 24/7 and what you guys did was scream ban the FUD'er
to protect your bag holding garbage..

don't be sorry for thinking this topic has been made over and over but realize some of you are naive
and i say that because i read the replies here.. all noobs spouting off.
the older guys here now full well what is going on.
and notice how none of them spoke up ?
hence why i said what i said !

and sorry but noobs don't count for anything.. you guys are of no value to the altcoin scene.
making naive suggestions is laughable..
suggesting Exchanges do a better job adding coins ?
really ? LOL
They know what the fuck their doing.
for the last year i have debated this exact problem with head Cryptsy staff and their defense is "USER DEMAND"
so uhhh go for it.. suggest things all your want to exchanges and let's see how well they listen to Junior members on yet another one of these topics
the older guys know will be gone in an hour..

next you guys here are going to start thinking of ways to protect the innocent people being tricked into scam coins LOL

Pro Tip:
They already now.

They have all told me for ages "in defense" they get on ANY coin because they make $$$ off of them.
So they are RIGHT NOW sitting at their computers reading this topic and laughing.. guaranteed.
most guys in the altcoin scene can tell if a coin is legit or not.. they don't care though if they can make money off them.
and we can tell it's the majority doing this not by my experience of these guys trying to defend their behavior and admitting to me
but by watching how the scene has been dying off.

my offensive tone is to get you guys to grow a pair.. if what i said on my last comment bothers you too much ?
maybe some for the Tweens from Sunday school should find some other way to make money ?
Because the cloners / scammers here are quiet but they are cut-throat and will stop at NOTHING to drain you dry.
THEN are you gonna get out raged ?
ya.. make sure to be polite with the guys robbing you LOL

Ya start a separate topic to discuss how outraged you are at scam coins lol
or...
go to the ANN topics and speak up for crying out loud.. but do it politely of course  Roll Eyes

pussies lose their money.. don't be low hanging fruit noobs LOL

This topic welcomes every user, either newbie or Hero member to give his/her suggestion.
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Problem is that it's going to de difficult to stop people exercising their right, as free agents, to do whatever the fuck they like, including launching scamcoins.
Crypto was intended to bring us freedom from regulation, not just add more rules.


Having said that, the OP (and Spoetnik) have a legitimate point.

My suggestion would be that we flip the issue: don't try to kill/ban/prevent scamcoins, but instead encourage real effort to create genuine value in crypto.

So: how to do this?
The only vague idea I can come up with would be the creation of a 'Crypto Association/Foundation/Group':
Representatives from the top 20 cryptos come together, establish a voluntary code of practice, and then create an approved list of crypto's that are *probably* not scams, to give newbies a guide as to what is worth investing in.

If the stream of newbie investors with money to burn can be diverted into relatively legitimate cryptos, the rewards for scamming will be reduced and hopefully we'll see less dodgy shit around here.

And: a 'Crypto Association/Whatever' could also be used to promote the interests of crypto in general, for example by publicity campaigns aimed at the mainstream investor or businesses.


Maybe we can do something on both sides: limit scam-devs to launch new coins and introduce good measures for amateur miners and investors to know which coin is better to invest, so they feed less scamdevs.

I think it would be good if other people give their opinion about your Crypto Association/Foundation/Group. I've just added it to the OP.
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in my opnion,i think most people they don't care about scame or not,they just care money,so let thoess people buy shitcoins!

If I may ask, haven't you lost any money because of scammer devs at all?

I lost money in pure scams too but i took some lesson.
Most of all fails is GREED just call it correctly...  - we have invested in most shitcoins because of greed...

After some time shit coin will have to die or try harder to live...
We will see how it will go over time.
Only time will shows winners but MANY coins till die over time.

About Big IPOs - Mastercoin was pumped to 90m market cap today is 3m...
Same can be with Etherum,Maidsafe,Bitshares...
There is no perfect solution just buy people smart and live with that coin can drop value over time.

I don't want to give my opinion about the "greed" part now. There isn't any TRUST in cryptocurrency community. Most of the time, you can't be sure if a coin is legit or not. We want to find a way to bring back at least a little trust to the community.
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legendary
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Sine secretum non libertas
I despair of any initiative being sufficient to deter the creation of coins as long as it appears as though it is profitable.  In fact, almost everyone involved would benefit much more from investing the same energy into bitcoin, but these are not people with rational discounting horizons, they are sociopaths with no self-control.  Probably the only deterrent which would suffice is an assassination market.
legendary
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I agree with all the people who have agreed to the methods.  These new coin launches could be legit, but they have to be taken into heavy consideration because of the scams.  Let the legit coins live (only like 0.01% though), and let the rest die out.
hero member
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First of all: newbie accounts created only to start a coin should be banned, unless they are known alt of a trusted member.

Beyond that, I think no rules should be enforced, only we educate people for them to know the risks they are taking(scams - alt accounts - etc), and make maybe a group of experienced users to review the coins. As long the group didn't get corrupted, it will be worth.


First of all: newbie accounts created only to start a coin should be banned, unless they are known alt of a trusted member.



I like that idea! +1

Agreed! Coins should only be able to be created from a trusted member!
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Time is on our side, yes it is!
best thing to do is make it clear to new comers that their time is going to be wasted chasing get rich quick schemes.  They need to learn what they should invest in what they shouldn't or their will be new waves of people who fall victim to the scams.  This is a very important issue and I'm going to get following along and adding my thoughts and opinions.  The best thing is to cut off the flow of people participating in the pump and dumps to stifle such activity from taking place.  Then there will be no incentive to create so many worthless coins IMO.
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