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Quote from: TimeTeller on November 28, 2020, 07:57:14 PM

If they will push thru this coming July 2021, I think it is already possible.
Because some covid vaccines will be available by the first quarter of this coming year.
And more than likely, they will prioritize the athletes to get inoculated.
But for the audience, I don't know how they can contain the possible infection.
Maybe lessen the audience and require some sort of certificate stating they got vaccine shot.

Things will get more complicated. There are multiple vaccines available in the market, with varying efficiency. The vaccines from Moderna and Pfizer claim up to 95% efficiency, while the one being developed by AstraZeneca/Oxford is less than 70% efficient. The question is whether the host nation would accept athletes who are inoculated with these less-efficient vaccines or not. And also, what will happen, in case these athletes are allowed to come to Japan and they later test positive for COVID 19?

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Quote from: acroman08 on November 28, 2020, 07:52:22 PM

I remember reading in an article somewhere that they can continue the Olympics with or without a vaccine but with only a limited staff and audience. so yeah, they plan to continue the Olympics in 2021 and the only reason why they postponed it in 2020 is because of the Covid fear and advice of health experts. also, the schedule has been made and the Olympics will start on July 23 next year and will end August 8 in the same year. (information can found on google search)

I seriously doubt whether it is possible to continue with the Olympics without mass vaccination programs. If it was any other sporting event, then I would have less uncertainty. But Olympics is the largest sporting event on earth, involving more than ten thousand athletes. Add in the coaching staff and others, and the numbers can easily reach 30,000 or even 40,000. Conducting an event with this many, without a vaccine is risky.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on November 28, 2020, 07:57:14 PM

If they will push thru this coming July 2021, I think it is already possible.
Because some covid vaccines will be available by the first quarter of this coming year.
And more than likely, they will prioritize the athletes to get inoculated.
But for the audience, I don't know how they can contain the possible infection.
Maybe lessen the audience and require some sort of certificate stating they got vaccine shot.

It is possible but it is very hard. The availability of the vaccines in the first quarter of the coming year is just a target. And if that happens, it is not probably mass produced right after that. In fact, no company is claiming 100% certainty that its vaccine will work.

Secondly, giving vaccines to athletes is not enough. Every team of every Olympic sport is made up of so many individuals aside from the athletes. And also the host country should get mass vaccinated because there are definitely a lot of visitors roaming around. Hotels, resorts, restaurants, etc are going to be filled with people.

We are not even discussing whether foreign Olympic fans will be allowed to watch games live.

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Quote from: HaXX0R1337 on November 18, 2020, 10:36:15 AM

the amount of money they spent for infrastructure alone will be billions and cancelling the Olympics entirely will not be an option.

Cancelling the Olympics will be a huge loss for Japan as they have spent billions building all the infrastructure but things are not clear on how they are going to proceed with the event.

Already postponing was a huge loss. Since Japaneses are so perfect in planing they already sold most of apartments where contestants will seep. Since games should be months ago at this time new owners of apartments already planed to move in. So now since games will be next year they will have to live for a year somewhere else. This games should be somewhere in Balkan and they would build a infrastructure a year after the plan so right on time

just to clarify are you saying that the new owners of the apartment built for the Olympics will have to live somewhere else or just until the Olympic is over? I am curious how much the apartment and what compensation the new owners will get since they won't be allowed to live in the apartment they bought for a year.

do you have a source for this? I'd like to read the full story.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on November 21, 2020, 07:31:23 PM

We are 8 months into the pandemic and there is no much change as some of the countries are facing the second wave of virus attack and the possibility of getting a vaccine by the time of the Olympics might be a real possibility but if that is not the case what happens, will they extend the Olympics further because it is not fair for Japan as they have spent billions and how they will compensate that.

You are still noticing any improvement? Vaccines from Moderna and Pfizer have completed their Phase 3 trials with up to 95% efficiency. Now it is only a question of mass production. Even the Sputnik V vaccine of Russia have shown 92% efficiency during the Phase III trials. The only bad news is from the vaccine being produced by AstraZeneca/Oxford, which has shown less than 70% efficiency.

It takes time to see the results, they'll be saying 92%, 70% efficiency, how was that reliable if it has been applied to different people and different health conditions?

Soon this pandemic will stop with or without a vaccine, it can't be forever and the said Summer Game will reschedule. There is no final confirmation about the schedule as travels and huge gatherings are still forbidden but I was looking for a huge change next year in regards to the pandemic trend.

I remember reading in an article somewhere that they can continue the Olympics with or without a vaccine but with only a limited staff and audience. so yeah, they plan to continue the Olympics in 2021 and the only reason why they postponed it in 2020 is because of the Covid fear and advice of health experts. also, the schedule has been made and the Olympics will start on July 23 next year and will end August 8 in the same year. (information can found on google search)

If they will push thru this coming July 2021, I think it is already possible.
Because some covid vaccines will be available by the first quarter of this coming year.
And more than likely, they will prioritize the athletes to get inoculated.
But for the audience, I don't know how they can contain the possible infection.
Maybe lessen the audience and require some sort of certificate stating they got vaccine shot.

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Quote from: HaXX0R1337 on November 18, 2020, 10:36:15 AM

the amount of money they spent for infrastructure alone will be billions and cancelling the Olympics entirely will not be an option.

Cancelling the Olympics will be a huge loss for Japan as they have spent billions building all the infrastructure but things are not clear on how they are going to proceed with the event.

Already postponing was a huge loss. Since Japaneses are so perfect in planing they already sold most of apartments where contestants will seep. Since games should be months ago at this time new owners of apartments already planed to move in. So now since games will be next year they will have to live for a year somewhere else. This games should be somewhere in Balkan and they would build a infrastructure a year after the plan so right on time

just to clarify are you saying that the new owners of the apartment built for the Olympics will have to live somewhere else or just until the Olympic is over? I am curious how much the apartment and what compensation the new owners will get since they won't be allowed to live in the apartment they bought for a year.

do you have a source for this? I'd like to read the full story.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on November 23, 2020, 10:37:31 AM

Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on November 21, 2020, 07:31:23 PM

We are 8 months into the pandemic and there is no much change as some of the countries are facing the second wave of virus attack and the possibility of getting a vaccine by the time of the Olympics might be a real possibility but if that is not the case what happens, will they extend the Olympics further because it is not fair for Japan as they have spent billions and how they will compensate that.

You are still noticing any improvement? Vaccines from Moderna and Pfizer have completed their Phase 3 trials with up to 95% efficiency. Now it is only a question of mass production. Even the Sputnik V vaccine of Russia have shown 92% efficiency during the Phase III trials. The only bad news is from the vaccine being produced by AstraZeneca/Oxford, which has shown less than 70% efficiency.

It takes time to see the results, they'll be saying 92%, 70% efficiency, how was that reliable if it has been applied to different people and different health conditions?

Soon this pandemic will stop with or without a vaccine, it can't be forever and the said Summer Game will reschedule. There is no final confirmation about the schedule as travels and huge gatherings are still forbidden but I was looking for a huge change next year in regards to the pandemic trend.

I remember reading in an article somewhere that they can continue the Olympics with or without a vaccine but with only a limited staff and audience. so yeah, they plan to continue the Olympics in 2021 and the only reason why they postponed it in 2020 is because of the Covid fear and advice of health experts. also, the schedule has been made and the Olympics will start on July 23 next year and will end August 8 in the same year. (information can found on google search)

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on November 23, 2020, 10:37:31 AM

Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on November 21, 2020, 07:31:23 PM

We are 8 months into the pandemic and there is no much change as some of the countries are facing the second wave of virus attack and the possibility of getting a vaccine by the time of the Olympics might be a real possibility but if that is not the case what happens, will they extend the Olympics further because it is not fair for Japan as they have spent billions and how they will compensate that.

You are still noticing any improvement? Vaccines from Moderna and Pfizer have completed their Phase 3 trials with up to 95% efficiency. Now it is only a question of mass production. Even the Sputnik V vaccine of Russia have shown 92% efficiency during the Phase III trials. The only bad news is from the vaccine being produced by AstraZeneca/Oxford, which has shown less than 70% efficiency.

It takes time to see the results, they'll be saying 92%, 70% efficiency, how was that reliable if it has been applied to different people and different health conditions?

Soon this pandemic will stop with or without a vaccine, it can't be forever and the said Summer Game will reschedule. There is no final confirmation about the schedule as travels and huge gatherings are still forbidden but I was looking for a huge change next year in regards to the pandemic trend.

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Quote from: HaXX0R1337 on November 18, 2020, 10:36:15 AM

the amount of money they spent for infrastructure alone will be billions and cancelling the Olympics entirely will not be an option.

Cancelling the Olympics will be a huge loss for Japan as they have spent billions building all the infrastructure but things are not clear on how they are going to proceed with the event.

Already postponing was a huge loss. Since Japaneses are so perfect in planing they already sold most of apartments where contestants will seep. Since games should be months ago at this time new owners of apartments already planed to move in. So now since games will be next year they will have to live for a year somewhere else. This games should be somewhere in Balkan and they would build a infrastructure a year after the plan so right on time

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on November 21, 2020, 07:31:23 PM

We are 8 months into the pandemic and there is no much change as some of the countries are facing the second wave of virus attack and the possibility of getting a vaccine by the time of the Olympics might be a real possibility but if that is not the case what happens, will they extend the Olympics further because it is not fair for Japan as they have spent billions and how they will compensate that.

You are still noticing any improvement? Vaccines from Moderna and Pfizer have completed their Phase 3 trials with up to 95% efficiency. Now it is only a question of mass production. Even the Sputnik V vaccine of Russia have shown 92% efficiency during the Phase III trials. The only bad news is from the vaccine being produced by AstraZeneca/Oxford, which has shown less than 70% efficiency.

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Quote from: Kemarit on November 22, 2020, 12:15:41 AM

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Quote from: Kemarit on November 19, 2020, 10:09:43 PM

Yeah, just take everything with a grain of salt. I think the IOC President though might have blown the games opening next year with his visit to Japan a couple of weeks ago. Everyone is waiting for this big event, but then again, very hard to continue if we still have the pandemic and no vaccine is site.

They have spent billions, and we all know that the more it got delay, the more the Japanese government is losing here. To cover for the lost billions next year, they really need audiences and tourist.

We are 8 months into the pandemic and there is no much change as some of the countries are facing the second wave of virus attack and the possibility of getting a vaccine by the time of the Olympics might be a real possibility but if that is not the case what happens, will they extend the Olympics further because it is not fair for Japan as they have spent billions and how they will compensate that.

In my personal opinion, yes, as long as tourists or audience are not allow to watch the Olympic games then Japan or at least the IOC won't allow it to happen next year if there are no vaccines yet discovered.

I agree that it won't be fair for Japan, who spent billions already for this Summer Olympics only to be cancelled because of the covid-19 pandemic. So it is safe to say that as long as no vaccine, we won't see the greatest sporting events in history. Others though may have their own opinion, totally against mine.

I think its a good decision because Japan would also like to see the tourist increase in this Olympics period and it will not be good for the games to be held without any crowds. We can have Olympics in 2021 or even in 2022 if the pandemic takes a long time to get rid of, but Olympics should only resume when the world is back to normal.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on November 21, 2020, 07:31:23 PM

Quote from: Kemarit on November 19, 2020, 10:09:43 PM

Yeah, just take everything with a grain of salt. I think the IOC President though might have blown the games opening next year with his visit to Japan a couple of weeks ago. Everyone is waiting for this big event, but then again, very hard to continue if we still have the pandemic and no vaccine is site.

They have spent billions, and we all know that the more it got delay, the more the Japanese government is losing here. To cover for the lost billions next year, they really need audiences and tourist.

We are 8 months into the pandemic and there is no much change as some of the countries are facing the second wave of virus attack and the possibility of getting a vaccine by the time of the Olympics might be a real possibility but if that is not the case what happens, will they extend the Olympics further because it is not fair for Japan as they have spent billions and how they will compensate that.

In my personal opinion, yes, as long as tourists or audience are not allow to watch the Olympic games then Japan or at least the IOC won't allow it to happen next year if there are no vaccines yet discovered.

I agree that it won't be fair for Japan, who spent billions already for this Summer Olympics only to be cancelled because of the covid-19 pandemic. So it is safe to say that as long as no vaccine, we won't see the greatest sporting events in history. Others though may have their own opinion, totally against mine.

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Quote from: Kemarit on November 19, 2020, 10:09:43 PM

Yeah, just take everything with a grain of salt. I think the IOC President though might have blown the games opening next year with his visit to Japan a couple of weeks ago. Everyone is waiting for this big event, but then again, very hard to continue if we still have the pandemic and no vaccine is site.

They have spent billions, and we all know that the more it got delay, the more the Japanese government is losing here. To cover for the lost billions next year, they really need audiences and tourist.

We are 8 months into the pandemic and there is no much change as some of the countries are facing the second wave of virus attack and the possibility of getting a vaccine by the time of the Olympics might be a real possibility but if that is not the case what happens, will they extend the Olympics further because it is not fair for Japan as they have spent billions and how they will compensate that.

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Quote from: uray on November 19, 2020, 07:59:31 PM

245 days left for the Olympics as per the official website and there is no other updates regarding how they are going to manage this mega event.
I would like to see the event and all the sports activities during the pandemic were well received and even if they are not able to allow audience in massive numbers i hope they will carry on with the event.

Yeah, just take everything with a grain of salt. I think the IOC President though might have blown the games opening next year with his visit to Japan a couple of weeks ago. Everyone is waiting for this big event, but then again, very hard to continue if we still have the pandemic and no vaccine is site.

They have spent billions, and we all know that the more it got delay, the more the Japanese government is losing here. To cover for the lost billions next year, they really need audiences and tourist.

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245 days left for the Olympics as per the official website and there is no other updates regarding how they are going to manage this mega event.
I would like to see the event and all the sports activities during the pandemic were well received and even if they are not able to allow audience in massive numbers i hope they will carry on with the event.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on November 19, 2020, 12:08:19 AM

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I don't think that facilities were abandoned. For example, in Sochi they constructed highways connecting the main city to various skiing centers and this resulted in an increased tourist footfall for these facilities. That said, when you conduct such a big tournament in small cities like Sochi, you can't expect all the facilities to have 100% occupancy after the event.

If Sochi is functioning it is well and great, i read in an article about the biggest expensive sporting event and they spent over $51 billion to construct everything and it is much more expensive than any other Olympic events in history nor any other sporting events and i considered that as a total wastage as you could do much better things for $51 billions.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on November 19, 2020, 12:08:19 AM

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usually that is the concept, spending billions will the community later after the Olympics but we have places like Athens and Sochi where it was abandoned completely after the event and that is the case with the recent Brazil Olympics as well.

I don't think that facilities were abandoned. For example, in Sochi they constructed highways connecting the main city to various skiing centers and this resulted in an increased tourist footfall for these facilities. That said, when you conduct such a big tournament in small cities like Sochi, you can't expect all the facilities to have 100% occupancy after the event.

Yeah, there many bad examples from Athens, Beijing, Rio where they abandoned some Olympic venues. But it's something not surprising, because it would be difficult to use all infrastructure, we are talking about more than 30 sports disciplines.
But I don't think that such problem will happen in Japan. First, they already had big part of infrastructure before Olympics. Also, there will be many temporrary venues which will be closed after Olympics.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on November 18, 2020, 02:36:06 AM

Every sporting event is a business opportunity and the same is true for Olympics as well. The infrastructure that is being built for the games would benefit the resident population for many decades and the hosting city and the surrounding regions will get a big boost as far as tourism is concerned.

usually that is the concept, spending billions will the community later after the Olympics but we have places like Athens and Sochi where it was abandoned completely after the event and that is the case with the recent Brazil Olympics as well.

I don't think that facilities were abandoned. For example, in Sochi they constructed highways connecting the main city to various skiing centers and this resulted in an increased tourist footfall for these facilities. That said, when you conduct such a big tournament in small cities like Sochi, you can't expect all the facilities to have 100% occupancy after the event.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on November 17, 2020, 05:00:04 PM

Olympics games are somewhat a business, an opportunity for the host country to make money or at least break even as far as expenses goes. So I doubt that they will allow the Olympics without fans and tourist. So it means that they will only push through when everything has settled down, specially the vaccines. So yes, it might not happen next year, and could be postponed up to 2022.

If going by Pfizer and other company if those get a go ahead then we could potentially see the Olympics happening as scheduled now with some audiences as well. Worst come scenarios if cases rise and vaccine is not being approved in next couple of months then surely it might get postponed. Also, just curious to know any gambling site offering betting about Olympics about the odds of happening it in 2021.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on November 18, 2020, 02:36:06 AM

Every sporting event is a business opportunity and the same is true for Olympics as well. The infrastructure that is being built for the games would benefit the resident population for many decades and the hosting city and the surrounding regions will get a big boost as far as tourism is concerned.

usually that is the concept, spending billions will the community later after the Olympics but we have places like Athens and Sochi where it was abandoned completely after the event and that is the case with the recent Brazil Olympics as well.

Quote from: HaXX0R1337 on November 18, 2020, 10:36:15 AM

the amount of money they spent for infrastructure alone will be billions and cancelling the Olympics entirely will not be an option.

Cancelling the Olympics will be a huge loss for Japan as they have spent billions building all the infrastructure but things are not clear on how they are going to proceed with the event.

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The expenses to hold the olympics are so high, its not just bulding all the venues. They already overpaid A LOT and now having olympics without foreign spectators is pretty much nonsense and make the overall loss even bigger. Cancelling would from a financial standpoint be the better solution than hosting without fans.

That is not a new factor, the expense is really high to hold an Olympics and most of the time the countries that hosted will be in big debt and historically that is the situation but unfortunately this time the world is going through different salutation in the form of a pandemic and the amount of money they spent for infrastructure alone will be billions and cancelling the Olympics entirely will not be an option.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on November 17, 2020, 05:00:04 PM

Olympics games are somewhat a business, an opportunity for the host country to make money or at least break even as far as expenses goes. So I doubt that they will allow the Olympics without fans and tourist. So it means that they will only push through when everything has settled down, specially the vaccines. So yes, it might not happen next year, and could be postponed up to 2022.

Every sporting event is a business opportunity and the same is true for Olympics as well. The infrastructure that is being built for the games would benefit the resident population for many decades and the hosting city and the surrounding regions will get a big boost as far as tourism is concerned. But if the visitors are not allowed, then the boost for the tourism sector may be somewhat limited.

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