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It's sad to see news that Olympic Games will be played without spectators. It won't be easy to watch competition in empty stadiums, especially after watching EURO 2020 in almost full stadiums and great atmosphere. For athletes it also won't be easy to compete without any support. Wouldn't be surprised if it will be worst Olympic Games ever.

For sure without fans around, the games will be dry as compare to previous Olympics. There are other sports though around the world that allowed fans to watch the game like you have said. So I agree that it will be sad to see the biggest sporting events in Japan without fans cheering for each respecting countries. Could be the worst Olympics, but health of the athletes comes first.

Japan authorities didn't decide that for the health of the athletes but to protect the health of their own people. They are really afraid to spread the virus across the population, and to import too many variant cases, including the Indian one which is the most dangerous variant to date while vaccines aren't able to stop it.

I think a country that is really afraid like this shouldnt even host the olympic games! They should have given someone else to host this games. Empty stadiums are just sad even tho its a pandemic

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It's sad to see news that Olympic Games will be played without spectators. It won't be easy to watch competition in empty stadiums, especially after watching EURO 2020 in almost full stadiums and great atmosphere. For athletes it also won't be easy to compete without any support. Wouldn't be surprised if it will be worst Olympic Games ever.

For sure without fans around, the games will be dry as compare to previous Olympics. There are other sports though around the world that allowed fans to watch the game like you have said. So I agree that it will be sad to see the biggest sporting events in Japan without fans cheering for each respecting countries. Could be the worst Olympics, but health of the athletes comes first.

Japan authorities didn't decide that for the health of the athletes but to protect the health of their own people. They are really afraid to spread the virus across the population, and to import too many variant cases, including the Indian one which is the most dangerous variant to date while vaccines aren't able to stop it.

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Quote from: iTradeChips on July 09, 2021, 08:08:55 AM

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Maybe, the games should continue but without any audience at the stadiums, much like what they did in other sports with their online fans and sound effects. Let the games continue, many people will watch it in their homes anyway.

We have seen many tournaments talking place without any audience but the Euro Cup which is ongoing had audience which was refreshing as i am getting tired of the fake audios they create to resemble audience, i am not sure what is the situation in Japan but if they can allow audience who are vaccinated then there is nothing to worry because Olympics without audience will not be that entertaining and if they continue to carry on without audience it will be the first in Olympic history.

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The issue is that the career of top athletes is very short, for example an accountant can still perform their job for 30 years so if there was some kind of world games for accountants then missing one edition would not be such a big deal, but when it comes to sports even the best athletes have a very short window of excellence and anyone that decides to not go because of the pandemic not only losses the opportunity, they may not reach the next games as there are always career ending injuries that could come to them or simply the drop on their performance could be huge even if they train extremely hard for this to not happen, so at the end athletes need to take the best decision for themselves no only on the short term but on the long term as well.

That is why i would like to see the Olympic taking place, but there are many athletes who trained their entire lifetime to get to the Olympics but missed out on qualification because many tournaments were cancelled in the past 1 year and the athletes who got qualified needs the platform to represent their skills as it is impossible to perform in optimal condition even if you are an elite athlete.

Most of these athletes if not all, are young still has lots of potential to win medals. In my opinion, if they skipped this years Olympics even if they were able to qualify for it, then they are missing a big opportunity to excel at their sport and add valuable experience in their field. Maybe, the games should continue but without any audience at the stadiums, much like what they did in other sports with their online fans and sound effects. Let the games continue, many people will watch it in their homes anyway.

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Quote from: Silberman on July 08, 2021, 05:52:28 PM

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The issue is that the career of top athletes is very short, for example an accountant can still perform their job for 30 years so if there was some kind of world games for accountants then missing one edition would not be such a big deal, but when it comes to sports even the best athletes have a very short window of excellence and anyone that decides to not go because of the pandemic not only losses the opportunity, they may not reach the next games as there are always career ending injuries that could come to them or simply the drop on their performance could be huge even if they train extremely hard for this to not happen, so at the end athletes need to take the best decision for themselves no only on the short term but on the long term as well.

That is why i would like to see the Olympic taking place, but there are many athletes who trained their entire lifetime to get to the Olympics but missed out on qualification because many tournaments were cancelled in the past 1 year and the athletes who got qualified needs the platform to represent their skills as it is impossible to perform in optimal condition even if you are an elite athlete.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on July 09, 2021, 04:42:59 AM

It's sad to see news that Olympic Games will be played without spectators. It won't be easy to watch competition in empty stadiums, especially after watching EURO 2020 in almost full stadiums and great atmosphere. For athletes it also won't be easy to compete without any support. Wouldn't be surprised if it will be worst Olympic Games ever.

For sure without fans around, the games will be dry as compare to previous Olympics. There are other sports though around the world that allowed fans to watch the game like you have said. So I agree that it will be sad to see the biggest sporting events in Japan without fans cheering for each respecting countries. Could be the worst Olympics, but health of the athletes comes first.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on July 09, 2021, 04:42:59 AM

It's sad to see news that Olympic Games will be played without spectators. It won't be easy to watch competition in empty stadiums, especially after watching EURO 2020 in almost full stadiums and great atmosphere. For athletes it also won't be easy to compete without any support. Wouldn't be surprised if it will be worst Olympic Games ever.

agree, sometimes it is better to cancel it for good, than to have it without audience for big sports
but it will be hard for some athletes to have games canceled, especially for smaller sports, that do not have much audience even when it is allowed (talking martial arts, water jumping, taekwondo and similar), and they used to compete with few people at stands

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It's sad to see news that Olympic Games will be played without spectators. It won't be easy to watch competition in empty stadiums, especially after watching EURO 2020 in almost full stadiums and great atmosphere. For athletes it also won't be easy to compete without any support. Wouldn't be surprised if it will be worst Olympic Games ever.

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It is official, games will played without fans in the stadium due to Coronavirus' pandemic.

The public mood in Japan remains strongly against the Olympics. An opinion poll in May found that 80% of the respondents want the Games to be postponed. But a more recent poll by newspaper Yomiuri Shimbun found opposition at just 50%. The problem is that Japan has lagged behind as far as vaccination is concerned, with only around one-fourth of the population having received one dose of the vaccine. The proportion of those who received both the doses is even lower, at 15.1%. Given this, it would have been a very stupid decision, if they allowed the crowd at the stadiums.

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Almost all sports could be dangerous and lead to the death of the participant. There are some risks when you practice sports, and the coronavirus disease will only be another one for the athletes. The contestant who doesn't want to run this risk can simply give up and doesn't travel to Japan.

If they withdraw from the Olympics it would be disastrous for their career as they were fully preparing to become the best athlete and perform in the grandest stage which could change their life forever and the pandemic has already created a cloud of doubts for many athletes and some turned professional knowing the uncertainty. All of the athletes will be vaccinated and hence they will be safe and there will be millions watching around the globe.

The issue is that the career of top athletes is very short, for example an accountant can still perform their job for 30 years so if there was some kind of world games for accountants then missing one edition would not be such a big deal, but when it comes to sports even the best athletes have a very short window of excellence and anyone that decides to not go because of the pandemic not only losses the opportunity, they may not reach the next games as there are always career ending injuries that could come to them or simply the drop on their performance could be huge even if they train extremely hard for this to not happen, so at the end athletes need to take the best decision for themselves no only on the short term but on the long term as well.

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Getting closer finally.

Some news.
Larissa Iapichino the super Jumper girl from Italy will skip the games for Injuries, she got the potential for a medal at only 18yo already Jumped 7m.

It is official, games will played without fans in the stadium due to Coronavirus' pandemic.

2 weeks at the start.

I will update the schedule soon.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on May 13, 2021, 06:30:41 PM

No these "incidents" as you say are not very rare and I didn't see anywhere they've been caused by comorbidities, where have you seen that, what is your source to claim that? It should be a fakenews media IMO... Biosecure bubble don't exist, only physical ones are efficient to stop viruses. And japanese people don't want these olympic games, because they don't trust this so-called biosecure bubble and they know many covid variants will be imported in their country during this event.

My source is United States FDA. The US has so far administered more than 141 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine and in less than 1% of the cases adverse effects were noted. You can check another report from Public Health Ontario here:

https://www.publichealthontario.ca/-/media/documents/ncov/epi/covid-19-aefi-report.pdf?la=en

On the other hand, if you want to ignore these scientific reports and agree with people like Jair Bolsonaro (who claim that Pfizer vaccine can turn humans in to alligators), then I don't have the time or patience to convince you regarding the efficiency of the vaccine.

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Yes in my country several people have already died from the coronavirus while they had received 2 injections of the Comirnaty(Pfizer-BioNTech) or the Moderna vaccine, so obviously the protection doesn't work at a 100% rate. A 90 or 95% rate is a huge rate for a vaccine but there will be way more than 100 athletes at the Tokyo Summer games. That means some athletes will certainly get sick even if they had been vaccinated, statistically speaking.

Pfizer claims to have 95% efficacy against contracting COVID 19, and almost 100% efficacy against severe infection. If someone had died after receiving two doses of the vaccine then such incidents will be very rare and in most cases the comorbidities may have caused it. I agree that 95% is not 100%. But remember that the athletes will be inside a biosecure bubble, and the chances that someone come in to contact with the virus is very small to start with.

No these "incidents" as you say are not very rare and I didn't see anywhere they've been caused by comorbidities, where have you seen that, what is your source to claim that? It should be a fakenews media IMO... Biosecure bubble don't exist, only physical ones are efficient to stop viruses. And japanese people don't want these olympic games, because they don't trust this so-called biosecure bubble and they know many covid variants will be imported in their country during this event.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on May 12, 2021, 05:14:24 PM

Yes in my country several people have already died from the coronavirus while they had received 2 injections of the Comirnaty(Pfizer-BioNTech) or the Moderna vaccine, so obviously the protection doesn't work at a 100% rate. A 90 or 95% rate is a huge rate for a vaccine but there will be way more than 100 athletes at the Tokyo Summer games. That means some athletes will certainly get sick even if they had been vaccinated, statistically speaking.

Pfizer claims to have 95% efficacy against contracting COVID 19, and almost 100% efficacy against severe infection. If someone had died after receiving two doses of the vaccine then such incidents will be very rare and in most cases the comorbidities may have caused it. I agree that 95% is not 100%. But remember that the athletes will be inside a biosecure bubble, and the chances that someone come in to contact with the virus is very small to start with.

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Almost all sports could be dangerous and lead to the death of the participant. There are some risks when you practice sports, and the coronavirus disease will only be another one for the athletes. The contestant who doesn't want to run this risk can simply give up and doesn't travel to Japan.

If they withdraw from the Olympics it would be disastrous for their career as they were fully preparing to become the best athlete and perform in the grandest stage which could change their life forever and the pandemic has already created a cloud of doubts for many athletes and some turned professional knowing the uncertainty. All of the athletes will be vaccinated and hence they will be safe and there will be millions watching around the globe.

Unfortunately vaccines don't protect from the coronavirus everytime for every people, and even if you get vaccinated you still can get the covid19. So even vaccinated athletes will take the risk of getting severely ill and even killed by the pandemic while participating.

Yeah, no one is safe from the virus, even if you are vaccinated twice, it's just a prevention but not 100% guaranteed. So it's a risk for this athlete to come at the Olympics, and I would say it's a dilemma, you train hard for this once in a lifetime event, to participate against the best. On the other hand, you are risking your life as well if you contacted the virus. So it's there choice to skip and wait for the next 4 years. Very difficult for athletes who might not make it to the next Olympics because of age.

Yes in my country several people have already died from the coronavirus while they had received 2 injections of the Comirnaty(Pfizer-BioNTech) or the Moderna vaccine, so obviously the protection doesn't work at a 100% rate. A 90 or 95% rate is a huge rate for a vaccine but there will be way more than 100 athletes at the Tokyo Summer games. That means some athletes will certainly get sick even if they had been vaccinated, statistically speaking.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on May 11, 2021, 05:13:15 PM

Even with the vaccine you need to follow the protocol as there are chances you will be infected if you are not following the social distancing norms and the only positive side of vaccine is that the infection will not turn deadly. I am expecting the Olympic to conduct the entire event in a huge bubble, i know it is an impossible task but that is their only option right now.

Well.. that is the plan. Across Europe, various football leagues are being conducted by setting up bubbles. Same will be the case with the Tokyo Olympics as well. But the added complexity here is that the Olympics involves tens of thousands of athletes and other staff from more than two hundreds countries across the globe. The numbers involved are huge and there is no room for any mistake. If a single person is infected inside the bubble, then the virus can spread to the other athletes.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 11, 2021, 02:09:52 AM

Now if you ask me whether there are chances of contracting CoVID 19 despite the vaccination, then it is true that there is a small chance. But at this point, it is too small to be taken seriously.

Even with the vaccine you need to follow the protocol as there are chances you will be infected if you are not following the social distancing norms and the only positive side of vaccine is that the infection will not turn deadly. I am expecting the Olympic to conduct the entire event in a huge bubble, i know it is an impossible task but that is their only option right now.

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Unfortunately vaccines don't protect from the coronavirus everytime for every people, and even if you get vaccinated you still can get the covid19. So even vaccinated athletes will take the risk of getting severely ill and even killed by the pandemic while participating.

I do understand this fact and there are reports coming out that the vaccine will not protect people from the new strains as the virus is mutating at an alarming rate as well.

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Quote from: Kong Hey Pakboy on May 11, 2021, 03:04:12 AM

If they had finally synthesized a 100% immunity vaccine then probably immunity is a guarantee. To be honest, I wouldn't really want sports event to happen during a pandemic because I am sure that any gathering is going to be causing an increase in the infection which only makes the work of health workers much more difficult.

It is impossible to invent a vaccine that has 100% efficacy against the virus. It is possible against various bacteria, but impossible with virus. Sporting events are going on around the world and I don't see a reason why the Olympics should be postponed. They are planning to set up a bio-secure bubble, and even if there is any breach in the bubble (which is very unlikely), the vaccines should keep the athletes safe. So IMO, the Olympics should not be postponed further.

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For many of the athletes from developing nations such as India and Nigeria, the protocol means that they will qualify for the Pfizer vaccine which is otherwise not available in their countries. And ironically, this means that they have a better chance of survival, if they participate in the Olympics. For those athletes from the richer nations, I assume almost all of them are already vaccinated. Now if you ask me whether there are chances of contracting CoVID 19 despite the vaccination, then it is true that there is a small chance. But at this point, it is too small to be taken seriously.

If they had finally synthesized a 100% immunity vaccine then probably immunity is a guarantee. To be honest, I wouldn't really want sports event to happen during a pandemic because I am sure that any gathering is going to be causing an increase in the infection which only makes the work of health workers much more difficult.

you know the Olympics could make a "bubble" (the bubble I am saying here is like an isolation zone where only staff, athletes, etc.. are allowed) after the vaccination of the athletes that are only exclusive to the athletes, coaches, staff and etc... the NBA "bubble" was deemed successful as a preventive measure to keep the staffs and the athletes healthy, safe and infected free during the NBA.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on May 11, 2021, 02:09:52 AM

For many of the athletes from developing nations such as India and Nigeria, the protocol means that they will qualify for the Pfizer vaccine which is otherwise not available in their countries. And ironically, this means that they have a better chance of survival, if they participate in the Olympics. For those athletes from the richer nations, I assume almost all of them are already vaccinated. Now if you ask me whether there are chances of contracting CoVID 19 despite the vaccination, then it is true that there is a small chance. But at this point, it is too small to be taken seriously.

If they had finally synthesized a 100% immunity vaccine then probably immunity is a guarantee. To be honest, I wouldn't really want sports event to happen during a pandemic because I am sure that any gathering is going to be causing an increase in the infection which only makes the work of health workers much more difficult.

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