Topic: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 144. (Read 3049514 times)

check the kncminer repo at github, under releases

How I install image at sd card any details

Blah, KnC just redid their web site.  Anyone find a new static URL with the firmware images and stuff on it?  I think I've got the last release stashed somewhere but not sure.   :-(

hi all! i think i got an neptune underway!

did anyone solder the +12v and neutral wires directly on the cube?
or wires on the backside of the board and put another 6pins socket at it's end?

can it be undervolted to ~200w per cube?

thx!

I can understand the frustration of the Neppy folks but the Titan folks might have got thier miners a month or two late (HELLO that happens in this industry)

I lost a good chunk of $$ on the SP30 when they shipped a month or two late as well and I'm not trying to sue.

Plus you got more MHZ than the spec 256 , and you got bonus Titans in March.

WTF are you douches crying about !  its not KNC's fault the Scrypt coin market tanked , that's part of investing .. win some lose most.

You Titan guys are so annoying especially Searing.  

At least KNC shipped .  Go look at the HASRA thread , Fib Thread, MAT thread, Alpha and more that i care to name.  

If anything you should be washing KNC's balls if you are a Titan owner since you have one of only two Scrypt ASIC that shipped in late 2014  

I can't imagine how this thread would look if they pulled an Alpha on you guys lol.

Bankruptcy is not an issue with KNC.. they have plenty of funds. 

'good luck' with swedisch bankrupcy laws.....
The EU court system is very diffrent from the US...
clame culture in sweden is not very effetive for demanding  back your money.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bankruptcy#Sweden

Sweden

In Sweden, bankruptcy (Swedish: konkurs) is a formal process that may involve a company or individual. It is not the same as insolvency, which is inability to pay debts that should have been paid. A creditor or the company itself can apply for bankruptcy. An external bankruptcy manager will take over the company or the assets of the person, trying to sell as much as possible. A person or a company in bankruptcy can not access its assets (with some exceptions).

The formal bankruptcy process is rarely carried out for individuals.[19] Creditors can claim money through the Enforcement Administration anyway, and creditors do not usually benefit from the bankruptcy of individuals because there are costs of a bankruptcy manager which has priority. Unpaid debts remain after bankruptcy for individuals. People who are deeply in debt can obtain a debt arrangement procedure (Swedish: skuldsanering). On application, they obtain a payment plan under which they pay as much as they can for five years, and then all remaining debts are cancelled. Debts that are derived from being subjected to a ban on business operations (issued by court, commonly for tax fraud and/or fraudulent business practices) or owed to a crime victim as compensation for damages, are exempted from this and like before this process was introduced in 2006 will remain lifelong.[20] Debts that have not been claimed during a 3-10 year period will be cancelled. Often crime victims stop their claims after a few years since criminals often do not have job incomes and might be hard to locate, while banks make sure the claims are not cancelled. The most common reasons for personal insolvency in Sweden are illness, unemployment, divorce or company bankruptcy, not the reckless spending claimed by politicians and debt collection agencies when they describe the problem with deep personal debts.

It was stated on the knc forums (now down) that end of march 2nd batch titans will ship ..i think this was unofficial thru an email to a member on the knc forums that was posted

as to legal action you supposedly have 2 choices

1) 1,500 bucks down (plus any legal expenses if you lose and knc wins) per claimant.

2) nothing down 1/3 share if you win and legal expenses like above split if knc wins

me I'm getting 25% off in equip depreciation (counting this year only 2016 to 2017 left)

so I am somewhat unclear if I would qualify anyway..

not sure if it is worth the risk ...KNC will fight this till the heat death of the universe....could
cost alot for an appeal to appeal ...they imho had 2.5K of Titans 1st batch (supposedly I heard) if that figure is close that is 25 MILLION dollars...you can play lawyer games a long time with that kind $$$

the lawyer fees could get spendy

good luck to all ... I'm still on the fence

fair deal ,, this are my results , did only undervolt the hottest dies.

only mod is the fan replacement to a NF-A14 industrialPPC-3000 PWM  at room temp ~20c fan speed ~75 %

My pleasure. 

I support pretty much any justifiable action people take against crooks, including that "punching Cole in the dick" bit, lol. We need to get back to the old days, when companies were put out of business for being crooks, not bailed out, or given a pass. We especially need to do this in the Bitcoin world, otherwise it is really no different than the current failing system.

Ok, here's all of the pictures in an album, breakdown to follow below: http://imgur.com/a/zQDSa

Here is how my controller arrived:

The box was fine, as you can see in another picture. It is in a static bag and under that cheapo plastic cover. No way that gets ripped off in transit. That did not stop KnC from claiming I was making a conspiracy out of it, since they "test everything before shipping". 

Here is the inside of these Bonus Cubes. I had some fun with this one to keep from screaming:


This is the latest fan, looks like some unknown brand from China:

No idea what the CFM specs are on this thing. It is definitely not as good as the KnC branded one, whatever it is.

This is how I have modified the now mostly pointless E heatsink, to make room for some quality heatsinks:

I just marked it with a sharpie, stuck it in a bench vice, had at it with my RotoZip and sanded the edges. x5

Here it is installed and tightened properly, with the VRM stickers removed:

In that Cube, I also swapped the fan out for a KnC branded one that I had laying around from my other Neptune's Noctua upgrade.

All five finished, waiting for their heatsinks.

I slightly messed up the one in the upper left corner, cutting it a bit too close to the one screw hole. No biggie, just annoys my perfectionism, lol. The heatsinks should be arriving tomorrow (Tuesday). I will post back with more pictures and updates on how that works out. In any case, I would have done these modifications even if I was only planning to upgrade the fan, since it means better airflow. Not to mention how slanted that E heatsink was put on there, causing a gap between the processor and cooler. Not. Good.

I added my initial temp tests to the album too, the ones I posted on KnC's forum, but I am going to skip those on here for the more recent ones. These are all after my modifications, so it could have run even hotter with the plate and stickers in the way.

Here is the stock temps of 3 of the Bonus Cubes, intake air temp at the time was 75F (24C):

I did not connect all 5 at once, since it would mean having to shutdown my other miner to connect them to the PSU. Fortunately though, all of my Bonus Cubes tested good, with decent undervolting capabilities.

Second temp test at -0.0586V undervolt:


Third temp test at -0.732V undervolt:


Final temp test at the maximum stable undervolting I could get with 500Mhz overclocking:


Eat your heart out, KnC.

If they go bankrupt nobody will have anything expect for the lawyer
if they are scanners you wont get anything because they use this trick https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/bankruptcy_fraud in swedisch law  (f.e Hiding assets in bitcoin.)
and they are to small and in truble lawyers will only destroy them , so not very usefull in any way.
A good lawyer knows this and will offer no cure no pay if they were confident for a case.
so the best chance is wait and see , I had my bonus miner in the end it works quite well.


scammers will not deliver at all.





 

Info is few posts above.

any news for TITAN Batch 2 delivery date?

any update regarding legal action against this company?

Kudos for finally admitting that it is indeed a consumer product.

A little crazy is a good thing, but as they say, doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different outcome, is the definition of insanity. KnC screws their customers time after time. Giving them more money shows a desire for masochism, lol. Cheers, yeah, I know about planned obsolesce, only immoral companies use it. I have lots of tech that is 10-20 years old, or more, and it still works great, because the companies cared about quality and their customers. If a company uses PO, then people should rightly boycott them into the ground. But, you have to be vocal in your opposition to do so. Many people incorrectly label that as "whining", because they think they have no power, that they must just accept the droppings that are given to them. Common in countries that have little freedom. To that I quote, "Will you bite the hand that feeds you? Will you stay down on your knees?"

Frankly, I don't care if the CEO is the one messing things up, it doesn't excuse their actions. I would rather starve on the streets than work for such a shady, immoral person, but that's just me.

Like you say, it's destroying the planet and it will also destroy Bitcoin if we keep letting miner companies get away with it.

The forum is still down btw, so I'll get things organized and post them here. It seems way too arrogant to think, but could my thread have really scared them so? lol Maybe it's just freak coincidence, but it makes you wonder. I wonder because normally they just censor people on there, but for some reason, they have let me say a lot of critical things and even let me successfully destroy the rhetoric of their replies. Apparently, me suddenly dialing things up was too dangerous for just censorship, lol.

Edit: Here, let me first re-share the email from KnC that notthematrix kindly shared on KnC's forum:
Now to break that down into what is likely obvious to many...

Apparently, they completely ignored what others pointed out on here a long time ago, that even a slight gap between that E heatsink and the thermal pad would cause the VRMs to get much hotter. No surprise there, add it to the list of ignored things.

They knew that they would need more parts nearly a year ago when they announced the 2-for-1: https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-87 yet they couldn't source proper parts in all of that time? Ridiculous.

By their full "no warranty" statement, it's easy to see why I reacted the way I did to my BBB being broken. Also, no warranty? They doubled our orders, which obviously means that whatever applied to our original order, applies to the Bonuses, unless it's specifically said otherwise. Even if there is no law protecting that, I think most honest people would agree that it is shady, immoral behavior, as usual and just adds to the legal defenses against them.

Joakim Strignert / Grundare, Jur kand, Civ ek
+46 (0)708 19 88 91 / [email protected]

7 people out of 15 people showed serious interest, including me. He needs 10-15 people.

To start with a thing as btc you need to be a bit crazy
Yes knc cheaped out on the fan , its called planned obsolescence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfbbF3oxf-E (watch video for what is planned obsolescence)
its the known fight between the developers and the CEO.
All consumer products are shortened in live.
I would not be supprised if they were forced to do so by investors.
You see it with all products phoneś etc etc...
all consumer products are timed , printers have a max print counter , DVD writers have them , laptops have them too read here   http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Notebook-Lockups-Freezes-Hangs/HP-Pavilion-dv5z-1200-wont-start-blinking-LEDs/td-p/451329 so noting new.
A consumer is supposed to waste more and more stuff on borrowed money , this is how the current economy works and how it destroying the planet this is why I give BTC a chance.
and the good news is   "yes you can reset those counters!"
so your printer , DVD writer  or laptop or miner comes back to live or live can be extended its "magic" LOL
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Thank you for this. 

Btw, the room temp/intake air on those 95-110C temps was 75F/24C. Imagine how hot that thing would get in a hot room! Smmmoookin'!

They shipped a BBB with a chip dangling from its traces, it wasn't broken in shipping. Typical zero quality control. Yep, they did offer, after I posted about it and mentioned them having no warranty. Anyone familiar with their typical RMA process knows what a nightmare that is. Some people get lucky, a lot don't. As usual, I would have had to pay the shipping, about $25-30 minimum and had to wait about 2-3 weeks. Instead, I spent $45 on a NIB BBB RevB6, got it in a couple of days and had it flashed and working in no time. Well worth the cost to avoid dealing with them.

As I have told you several times, I already bought 5 of those fans for my first Neptune back in July 2014. I personally don't want to buy more, they don't do enough for the cost IMO. They are frankly overkill too. The waterproofing is totally unnecessary in this application except to add expense. If the heatsinks work out, they are like $10-15 cheaper per Cube than those Noctuas and they are premium quality.

All that said, the entire point is, we shouldn't have to do a thing. I didn't for the original Neptune. But, in typical KnC fashion, trying to pay tribute to the FrankenJup fiasco I guess, they cheaped out and delivered a miner that will likely brick itself with heat if people run it as is. Then people like you and Diskdoc come along, spewing KnC's criminal line about the miners suddenly being "business miners", when everyone except a n00b knows that they sold them as consumer miners. Makes me wonder if you both are shills for KnC, or employees. Others posted about it on their forum too, but I really hammered the point home with pictures and screenshots, so it doesn't surprise me that cheerleaders suddenly came out of the woodwork. All it does is energize me that much more to fight back, so keep it up, you fuel my fire, lol.

No worries, I tend to type a lot with an inability to keep it short, so I'm used to people complaining too, lol.  KnC is all about their own greed at the expense of customers, so you can bet that nothing will be selling until it is an opportune time to suck more money from uninformed people, or the mentally insane, lol.

rant below (feel free to skip or put me on /ignore)

well what i find confusing is on KNC's main page...if you go to btc miners it says 'sold out' if you go to scrypt miners 'sold out' as expected...no drama there..

but

when you go to 'cloud mining' it also says 'sold out' ....no frigging way could there be enough 'newbies' buy GH at the prices they were offering
so the only conclusion is they are mining 'most' of their data hall to $$$ as fast as possible to usd for themselves. but that 'flumoxed' me big time...

I suppose they simply are like other cloud mining operations and simply 'suspended' such because of the price
for now.....but imho....from the way they are acting...they may imho never offer even 'cloud mining' again ...just keep all this new 16nm chips
for themselves and whatever newbie (does not know about knc's real reputation) IPO $$$ to themselves

whatever.....their forum has also been down for 3 days or more wonder if that is toast.....likely that will be the next step....I've never
quite figured out why they have kept it up ...much easier to isolate customer complaints if you make them go thru email and they no
longer have a 'working voice phone line' that has been mysteriously broken ...for a while i guess......always 'trust' a
multi-million dollar operation that does not answer its 'voice line' because it is 'broken' lol ....jeez they are not even 'trying' to keep
up appearances to the consumer...

them IPO boys are gonna get played as suckers like the consumer purchasers....wait for it...

anyway my 2c worth

KNC offerd you a new BBB+controller!
I saw the treath on the knc forum...
The only thing you needed to do is replace the fans with this moddel! http://www.noctua.at/main.php?show=productview&products_id=84&lng=en&set=1


Size      140x140x25 mm
Connector      4-pin PWM
Bearing      SSO2
Blade Geometry      A series with Flow Acceleration Channels
Frame Technology      AAO
Rotational Speed (+/- 10%)      3000 RPM
Min. Rotational Speed (PWM, +/-20%)      800 RPM
Airflow      269,3 m³/h
Acoustical Noise      41,3 dB(A)
Static Pressure      10,52 mm H2O
Max. Input Power      6,6 W
Max. Input Current      0,55 A
Voltage      12 V
MTBF      > 150.000 hr
Warranty      6 years
Ingress Protection      IP52
Material      Fibre-glass reinforced polyamide
Motor type      Three-phase

You do NOT need to modify the cooling in any orther way!

you don't NEED to temps are fine , if you tweak voltage properly.
Proof 2 miners running full speed.

But in your case hope your plan works.