+1 couldn't have said it better myself 
Yes, they will likely rip us off, but that doesn't make it ok.
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Yes, they will likely rip us off, but that doesn't make it ok.
Even by their twisted interpretation of the wording KfC still delivered all of batch one ($13k) late without offering free hashing as promised; some of them have been very late. If KfC now tag batch two right on the end of batch one it effectively punishes batch one customers (to the tune of $3,000) for having a little faith in KnC and ordering Neptune as soon as they were open to the public.
It's just not right. I would be very happy for batch two and batch three to ship this week but KnC need to acknowledge that they were late and as such they need to lump all the batches together in one big batch for continuous shipping. Now that all the batches have become one big late batch they need to sort out compensation for the people who paid more. How can they justify the last guy in batch one not paying the same as the first guy in batch two?
I could understand if the last guy in batch one got $3,000 refund and everybody else got it pro-rata; so where "n=umber of days between delivery and start of batch two" it would be $3,000 - (0.1BTC * n) refunded to each batch one customer. That wouldn't provide any incentive for being in an earlier batch but at least the faithful wouldn't be worse off.
u27
I agree with you a refund for those batch one customers of some sort is in order. I just hope KNC doesn't hold off a month thereby screwing the batch two customers. And by default screwing every customer who is waiting for their bonus miner.
Any batch 2 (10.000$ miner), in progress or shipped ?
There had better not be! They have to leave a month after batch one don't they?
Either that or send me $3,000 right about now.
Well since the bonus Neptunes ship after batch two you either want to wait an extra month to double your hash rate or picked a Titan. Personally I want all the batch two to ship immediately so I can double my hash rate. It's not like the second batch is going to have a large impact on difficulty. At least not relative to double the hash rate.
I'm amazed by the people who want to wait longer for the bonus just so another group of people can be screwed a little longer. The Neptune is late for everyone.
Even by their twisted interpretation of the wording KfC still delivered all of batch one ($13k) late without offering free hashing as promised; some of them have been very late. If KfC now tag batch two right on the end of batch one it effectively punishes batch one customers (to the tune of $3,000) for having a little faith in KnC and ordering Neptune as soon as they were open to the public.
It's just not right. I would be very happy for batch two and batch three to ship this week but KnC need to acknowledge that they were late and as such they need to lump all the batches together in one big batch for continuous shipping. Now that all the batches have become one big late batch they need to sort out compensation for the people who paid more. How can they justify the last guy in batch one not paying the same as the first guy in batch two?
I could understand if the last guy in batch one got $3,000 refund and everybody else got it pro-rata; so where "n=umber of days between delivery and start of batch two" it would be $3,000 - (0.1BTC * n) refunded to each batch one customer. That wouldn't provide any incentive for being in an earlier batch but at least the faithful wouldn't be worse off.
u27
IMHO they will maybe have a week break....start up the process of getting out batch 2 then with the excuse of they are behind schedule...not offer compensation to batch one neptune types and claim that that week or so is enough lead time with shipping to the batch 2 customers to make up the $$$ up in the 1st batch folk are 'early' or some such
You have to realize KNC (even if they were more legit then they are now) has NO incentive to do anything for the customer..they have already announced the Titan is likely the last 'consumer product' to us the unwashed masses so to speak..and NO refunds on anything anymore and ONLY a 90 day warrenty and the fact that us pesky consumers are mucking up the difficulty for their plans on world class LARGE data halls etc
They have many reasons to go the selfish route and few if any imho to do anything to compensate anybody for anything miner wise...I mean they are mining...anything they
do to help us...hurts them (or so I think the logic is)
Searing
+1 couldn't have said it better myself
Any batch 2 (10.000$ miner), in progress or shipped ?
There had better not be! They have to leave a month after batch one don't they?
Either that or send me $3,000 right about now.
Well since the bonus Neptunes ship after batch two you either want to wait an extra month to double your hash rate or picked a Titan. Personally I want all the batch two to ship immediately so I can double my hash rate. It's not like the second batch is going to have a large impact on difficulty. At least not relative to double the hash rate.
I'm amazed by the people who want to wait longer for the bonus just so another group of people can be screwed a little longer. The Neptune is late for everyone.
Even by their twisted interpretation of the wording KfC still delivered all of batch one ($13k) late without offering free hashing as promised; some of them have been very late. If KfC now tag batch two right on the end of batch one it effectively punishes batch one customers (to the tune of $3,000) for having a little faith in KnC and ordering Neptune as soon as they were open to the public.
It's just not right. I would be very happy for batch two and batch three to ship this week but KnC need to acknowledge that they were late and as such they need to lump all the batches together in one big batch for continuous shipping. Now that all the batches have become one big late batch they need to sort out compensation for the people who paid more. How can they justify the last guy in batch one not paying the same as the first guy in batch two?
I could understand if the last guy in batch one got $3,000 refund and everybody else got it pro-rata; so where "n=umber of days between delivery and start of batch two" it would be $3,000 - (0.1BTC * n) refunded to each batch one customer. That wouldn't provide any incentive for being in an earlier batch but at least the faithful wouldn't be worse off.
u27
IMHO they will maybe have a week break....start up the process of getting out batch 2 then with the excuse of they are behind schedule...not offer compensation to batch one neptune types and claim that that week or so is enough lead time with shipping to the batch 2 customers to make up the $$$ up in the 1st batch folk are 'early' or some such
You have to realize KNC (even if they were more legit then they are now) has NO incentive to do anything for the customer..they have already announced the Titan is likely the last 'consumer product' to us the unwashed masses so to speak..and NO refunds on anything anymore and ONLY a 90 day warrenty and the fact that us pesky consumers are mucking up the difficulty for their plans on world class LARGE data halls etc
They have many reasons to go the selfish route and few if any imho to do anything to compensate anybody for anything miner wise...I mean they are mining...anything they
do to help us...hurts them (or so I think the logic is)
Searing
It's not really helped by everyone having a different definition for batch 1,2,3, 0, CA, etc, etc, etc,
I stopped getting wound up about it after mine arrived to be honest.
When the bonus comes, it comes and a very welcome bonus it will be.
I stopped getting wound up about it after mine arrived to be honest.
When the bonus comes, it comes and a very welcome bonus it will be.
Any batch 2 (10.000$ miner), in progress or shipped ?
There had better not be! They have to leave a month after batch one don't they?
Either that or send me $3,000 right about now.
Well since the bonus Neptunes ship after batch two you either want to wait an extra month to double your hash rate or picked a Titan. Personally I want all the batch two to ship immediately so I can double my hash rate. It's not like the second batch is going to have a large impact on difficulty. At least not relative to double the hash rate.
I'm amazed by the people who want to wait longer for the bonus just so another group of people can be screwed a little longer. The Neptune is late for everyone.
Even by their twisted interpretation of the wording KfC still delivered all of batch one ($13k) late without offering free hashing as promised; some of them have been very late. If KfC now tag batch two right on the end of batch one it effectively punishes batch one customers (to the tune of $3,000) for having a little faith in KnC and ordering Neptune as soon as they were open to the public.
It's just not right. I would be very happy for batch two and batch three to ship this week but KnC need to acknowledge that they were late and as such they need to lump all the batches together in one big batch for continuous shipping. Now that all the batches have become one big late batch they need to sort out compensation for the people who paid more. How can they justify the last guy in batch one not paying the same as the first guy in batch two?
I could understand if the last guy in batch one got $3,000 refund and everybody else got it pro-rata; so where "n=umber of days between delivery and start of batch two" it would be $3,000 - (0.1BTC * n) refunded to each batch one customer. That wouldn't provide any incentive for being in an earlier batch but at least the faithful wouldn't be worse off.
u27
"I believe"
The perfect choice of words right there.
The perfect choice of words right there.
it seems that currently batch 1 is still "in progress" http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/hardware/47413-neptune-shipment-progress-confirmation-thread/
probably second neptune will be shipped next year.
probably second neptune will be shipped next year.
er what supposedly is the timeline between batches 4 weeks? ... between batch 1 and batch 2 or has that ship sailed and they simply will ship the 2nd batch
asap
I've no dog in this fight don't have a Neptune...but curious because I do have a KNC Titan and they have the same batch arrangement
*just mentally preparing myself for the old....oops we ship'd em all at the same time post on my eventual Titan.....don't ya know*
Thanks hopefully they at least still have SOME gap between batches..you'd think right?
Searing
it seems that currently batch 1 is still "in progress" http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/hardware/47413-neptune-shipment-progress-confirmation-thread/
probably second neptune will be shipped next year.
probably second neptune will be shipped next year.
it seems that currently batch 1 is still "in progress" http://forum.kncminer.com/forum/main-category/hardware/47413-neptune-shipment-progress-confirmation-thread/
probably second neptune will be shipped next year.
probably second neptune will be shipped next year.
Its depends how you feel and how you think, some people are helping and some people are likely harmful, So just seeking help desk from KNC or other miner makers for technical help and update, security and safer for supplier and buyer.
I never buy any thing with out vendor approve, never soldering and wiring my new device with out vendor approve to avoid broken warranty, even it's only got 90 days, 90 days is not a problem, problem is broken warranty.
I never buy any thing with out vendor approve, never soldering and wiring my new device with out vendor approve to avoid broken warranty, even it's only got 90 days, 90 days is not a problem, problem is broken warranty.
Any batch 2 (10.000$ miner), in progress or shipped ?
There had better not be! They have to leave a month after batch one don't they?
Either that or send me $3,000 right about now.
Well since the bonus Neptunes ship after batch two you either want to wait an extra month to double your hash rate or picked a Titan. Personally I want all the batch two to ship immediately so I can double my hash rate. It's not like the second batch is going to have a large impact on difficulty. At least not relative to double the hash rate.
I'm amazed by the people who want to wait longer for the bonus just so another group of people can be screwed a little longer. The Neptune is late for everyone.
Any batch 2 (10.000$ miner), in progress or shipped ?
There had better not be! They have to leave a month after batch one don't they?
Either that or send me $3,000 right about now.
Any batch 2 (10.000$ miner), in progress or shipped ?
Some of the newer dell titanium psu at 230v can be 94-95% efficient at 100% load. And 96 at 50%. Like the 750e-s7.
like this?
http://www.etb-tech.com/poweredge-750w-redundant-power-supply-2950.html?gclid=Cj0KEQjw3vyeBRDt673h5ZTYrdQBEiQAzhkf8ibziN_iuniQ32q7SSyrYIrzPczmNKUu6DyEDNq6eyoaAs0q8P8HAQ#.U9-Yo2Ms-qk
http://www.plugloadsolutions.com/psu_reports/DELL_F3000E-S0_3000W_SO-736_Report.pdf
But prices are a couple thousand i think
A consumer Corsair 1500i Titanium is about $450
DON'T DO IT
it seems everything that gets recommended on this thread MELTS.
buy nothing from this shower of greedy bastards.
Some of the newer dell titanium psu at 230v can be 94-95% efficient at 100% load. And 96 at 50%. Like the 750e-s7.
like this?
http://www.etb-tech.com/poweredge-750w-redundant-power-supply-2950.html?gclid=Cj0KEQjw3vyeBRDt673h5ZTYrdQBEiQAzhkf8ibziN_iuniQ32q7SSyrYIrzPczmNKUu6DyEDNq6eyoaAs0q8P8HAQ#.U9-Yo2Ms-qk
http://www.plugloadsolutions.com/psu_reports/DELL_F3000E-S0_3000W_SO-736_Report.pdf
But prices are a couple thousand i think
A consumer Corsair 1500i Titanium is about $450
Some of the newer dell titanium psu at 230v can be 94-95% efficient at 100% load. And 96 at 50%. Like the 750e-s7.
like this?
http://www.etb-tech.com/poweredge-750w-redundant-power-supply-2950.html?gclid=Cj0KEQjw3vyeBRDt673h5ZTYrdQBEiQAzhkf8ibziN_iuniQ32q7SSyrYIrzPczmNKUu6DyEDNq6eyoaAs0q8P8HAQ#.U9-Yo2Ms-qk
I use 4kW(2 2kW PSU) per Nep for 92% PSU efficiency.
I'm getting 94% with the Corsairs. 92% is really good for a server PSU so you must be running them right in the sweet spot; I have never seen them run better than 90% myself.
I had a bunch of nice 1U server supplies that would have covered Neptune before I ordered the Corsair ones but I wouldn't be overly happy running without any OCP in a consumer environment; those server supplies will just keep pumping 12v out until any possible short reaches 2kW and that could easily mean a fire. They are designed to run in server rooms with fire suppression; not domestic dwellings.
Just my two cents.
u27
Some of the newer dell titanium psu at 230v can be 94-95% efficient at 100% load. And 96 at 50%. Like the 750e-s7.
Your offer of help is reminiscent of my KNC refund. I may have to hop a flight to Sweden and protest outside of headquarters soon.
Anybody want to say how long they've been waiting?
Anybody want to say how long they've been waiting?
They like to appear on bitcoin conferences, find out where their booth is located and set up in front of it
I use 4kW(2 2kW PSU) per Nep for 92% PSU efficiency.
I'm getting 94% with the Corsairs. 92% is really good for a server PSU so you must be running them right in the sweet spot; I have never seen them run better than 90% myself.
I had a bunch of nice 1U server supplies that would have covered Neptune before I ordered the Corsair ones but I wouldn't be overly happy running without any OCP in a consumer environment; those server supplies will just keep pumping 12v out until any possible short reaches 2kW and that could easily mean a fire. They are designed to run in server rooms with fire suppression; not domestic dwellings.
Just my two cents.
u27
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