Topic: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 286. (Read 3049515 times)
what? now knc only provides 90 days of warranty?!
If knc dont refund neptune buyers then surely they should be investigated by a company trading authority,they just dont seem remotely care from what i have been reading...
from what I understand they don't even acknowledge there IS a problem..they blame the power supplies (yeah corsair 1200i units are so 'not mainstream')
usual bait/switch/stall .....must have paid for the BFL seminar ....I mean really ...like people with Neptunes can't read specs recommended on the power plug they used
they were cheap but hey with the 90 day warranty now...they can probably skate on some of this till that 90 days is gone and your stuck with it
miss the old KNC.....frigging evil KNC twin figging took over the kingdom me thinks
Searing
You say 90 day warranty, but didn't we all get the 12 months as stated when we ordered? I never agreed to a revised T&C knocking 9 months of the warranty!
er no clue ..was in trusting mode when I got the Titan on a Neptune CA xfer...it was 2 weeks or so after this that all went to hell at KNC and they started the current slide
i miss being happy and clueless about KNC ...well now that it is the evil knc with no refunds...I'd assume they would try to get us and say it is only 90 days
if you have some kinda link I'd sure like to know I have a batch 1 Titan order...provide a link..but likely they will just change the TOS to 90 days and claim they
can because the product does not exist yet...or some other silliniess
anyway if you are correct shoot us a link and/or some info on such..this make come in handy ....esp if the Titan too has power plug issues
but me was stupid and happy back then .....rude awakening happened 2 weeks later or so if I remember correctly as the slide started to BFL at KNC
Searing
Hi guys!
The Titans will be?
Something tells me that it is necessary to demand a refund and the Titans.
The Titans will be?
Something tells me that it is necessary to demand a refund and the Titans.
Good luck with that.
Now go read the terms and conditions of the sale (like you should have done before you sent them your money)
Sorry to be a dick, but this has been covered in this thread a hundred times
admited KNC fan boy when I got the Titan .before in the next few weeks KNC went to the dark side....anwyay the no refund was there ..that I knew about
as to the 90 day no idea if it was 1 year or 90 day..I was a first batch Titan buyer thou
anyway just fessing up!
Searing
Hi guys!
The Titans will be?
Something tells me that it is necessary to demand a refund and the Titans.
The Titans will be?
Something tells me that it is necessary to demand a refund and the Titans.
Good luck with that.
Now go read the terms and conditions of the sale (like you should have done before you sent them your money)
Sorry to be a dick, but this has been covered in this thread a hundred times
Hi guys!
The Titans will be?
Something tells me that it is necessary to demand a refund and the Titans.
The Titans will be?
Something tells me that it is necessary to demand a refund and the Titans.
If knc dont refund neptune buyers then surely they should be investigated by a company trading authority,they just dont seem remotely care from what i have been reading...
from what I understand they don't even acknowledge there IS a problem..they blame the power supplies (yeah corsair 1200i units are so 'not mainstream')
usual bait/switch/stall .....must have paid for the BFL seminar ....I mean really ...like people with Neptunes can't read specs recommended on the power plug they used
they were cheap but hey with the 90 day warranty now...they can probably skate on some of this till that 90 days is gone and your stuck with it
miss the old KNC.....frigging evil KNC twin figging took over the kingdom me thinks
Searing
You say 90 day warranty, but didn't we all get the 12 months as stated when we ordered? I never agreed to a revised T&C knocking 9 months of the warranty!
If knc dont refund neptune buyers then surely they should be investigated by a company trading authority,they just dont seem remotely care from what i have been reading...
from what I understand they don't even acknowledge there IS a problem..they blame the power supplies (yeah corsair 1200i units are so 'not mainstream')
usual bait/switch/stall .....must have paid for the BFL seminar ....I mean really ...like people with Neptunes can't read specs recommended on the power plug they used
they were cheap but hey with the 90 day warranty now...they can probably skate on some of this till that 90 days is gone and your stuck with it
miss the old KNC.....frigging evil KNC twin figging took over the kingdom me thinks
Searing
Hi Together,
Which bitches shh batches are shipped at
moment?
We had the nonpublic batch and batch 1 & 2 and bonus bitch?
Which bitches shh batches are shipped at
moment?
We had the nonpublic batch and batch 1 & 2 and bonus bitch?
I also agree that 3.4th at just over 2000 watts is correct out of the box stock. Still using the original firmware. On my Neptune I get 3.4ghs one one antec 1300w psu I have 3/5 pulling 1250@120v watts and on the other 1300w 2/5 and controller pulling 780 watts@120v
As for spondoolies speed 4.45 seems to be the average at this time.
And I will add the new BFL monarch pricing as a new line. There are still a few who paid a primium for aug 2013 monarch pre-orders.
I notice you have 2 cubes pulling 390 each @ wall assume controller rides for free.
Your 3 cubes pull ~415 each no freeloader controller.
390 x 3 would be 1170 W.
If you moved one of the 3 over you could determine if it is,
A individual PSU efficiency issue,
a PSU near max is much lower efficiency on both or,
a hungry cube.
YMMV
I will have to try 1 on 1psu later. However it may also be due to the cercuit not giving 120v but rather 116v
I also agree that 3.4th at just over 2000 watts is correct out of the box stock. Still using the original firmware. On my Neptune I get 3.4ghs one one antec 1300w psu I have 3/5 pulling 1250@120v watts and on the other 1300w 2/5 and controller pulling 780 watts@120v
As for spondoolies speed 4.45 seems to be the average at this time.
And I will add the new BFL monarch pricing as a new line. There are still a few who paid a primium for aug 2013 monarch pre-orders.
I notice you have 2 cubes pulling 390 each @ wall assume controller rides for free.
Your 3 cubes pull ~415 each no freeloader controller.
390 x 3 would be 1170 W.
If you moved one of the 3 over you could determine if it is,
A individual PSU efficiency issue,
a PSU near max is much lower efficiency on both or,
a hungry cube.
YMMV
With the new results out from spondoolies, below is the updated Hardware comparison chart/document.
Thank you for the reference.
From my admittedly biased position I'd say the average Nep is 3.4T at a squink below 2kW.
Completely stock PARTS and tuned gets ya to 3.5T @ 2kW.
3.55-3.58T is doable with some added airflow, same 2kW @ wall BTW.
(the gains are lower errors not faster clocks)
To accurately compare would require seperating 110VAC from 220VAC PSU.
Also need to take into account PSU efficiency and it's % loading.
Ideally all units tested on same PSU.
Next would be all units mesured under 'hopefully' similar conditions.
Next would be at least reporting the conditions during measurement.
The reality is we don't have the luxury.
The boxes are or should be too busy hashing to stop for ideal testing.
I have no idea what 'average' is but I have better numbers.
I am also under the impression from posted 'Advanced' pages that my numbers are not ununual.
Repeating, I know I have a biased opinion so take this post as just that, OPINION.
I'd say 3.4 @ 2kw is very common for typical customers.
My numbers for reference,
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8053504
Please note, I don't think your collection is biased, just that my opinion must be as I own one.
Very well done long term effort!!!
I appreciate your contribution.
Thank you for your time.
YMMV
I also agree that 3.4th at just over 2000 watts is correct out of the box stock. Still using the original firmware. On my Neptune I get 3.4ghs one one antec 1300w psu I have 3/5 pulling 1250@120v watts and on the other 1300w 2/5 and controller pulling 780 watts@120v
As for spondoolies speed 4.45 seems to be the average at this time.
And I will add the new BFL monarch pricing as a new line. There are still a few who paid a primium for aug 2013 monarch pre-orders.
With the new results out from spondoolies, below is the updated Hardware comparison chart/document.
Thank you for the reference.
From my admittedly biased position I'd say the average Nep is 3.4T at a squink below 2kW.
Completely stock PARTS and tuned gets ya to 3.5T @ 2kW.
3.55-3.58T is doable with some added airflow, same 2kW @ wall BTW.
(the gains are lower errors not faster clocks)
To accurately compare would require seperating 110VAC from 220VAC PSU.
Also need to take into account PSU efficiency and it's % loading.
Ideally all units tested on same PSU.
Next would be all units mesured under 'hopefully' similar conditions.
Next would be at least reporting the conditions during measurement.
The reality is we don't have the luxury.
The boxes are or should be too busy hashing to stop for ideal testing.
I have no idea what 'average' is but I have better numbers.
I am also under the impression from posted 'Advanced' pages that my numbers are not ununual.
Repeating, I know I have a biased opinion so take this post as just that, OPINION.
I'd say 3.4 @ 2kw is very common for typical customers.
My numbers for reference,
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8053504
Please note, I don't think your collection is biased, just that my opinion must be as I own one.
Very well done long term effort!!!
I appreciate your contribution.
Thank you for your time.
YMMV
With the new results out from spondoolies, below is the updated Hardware comparison chart/document.
snip
The link to the shared document.
NOTE: If network difficulty stays below 20% for the next two retargets then the document will be revised to 10% and 5% estimate results.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmeuPljmUNHCdEpqX2RmMDFwemJyLURVUWFtZ3J3aGc&usp=sharing
snip
The link to the shared document.
NOTE: If network difficulty stays below 20% for the next two retargets then the document will be revised to 10% and 5% estimate results.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmeuPljmUNHCdEpqX2RmMDFwemJyLURVUWFtZ3J3aGc&usp=sharing
One thing is for sure... your Monarch numbers are no longer valid.
Spondoolies is unlikely to meet those numbers at teh wall either; more like +10% power consumption.
Same goes for the S3 that's more likely their 12v power consumption so +10% at the wall?
u27
With the new results out from spondoolies, below is the updated Hardware comparison chart/document.
The link to the shared document.
NOTE: If network difficulty stays below 20% for the next two retargets then the document will be revised to 10% and 5% estimate results.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmeuPljmUNHCdEpqX2RmMDFwemJyLURVUWFtZ3J3aGc&usp=sharing
The link to the shared document.
NOTE: If network difficulty stays below 20% for the next two retargets then the document will be revised to 10% and 5% estimate results.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AmeuPljmUNHCdEpqX2RmMDFwemJyLURVUWFtZ3J3aGc&usp=sharing
just got 3 wire cable Y style splitters from cablez on here 12 bucks each ...3 of them .with the 6 heavy duty leads...help spread out the load on startup on my corsair 1200i these should solve the problem.....others on here have had to use other then corsair 1200i units to get the neptunes up...will see how this works I guess for my use on a Titan should I choose to use this unit.. probably not a bad mod to have anyway to use on anything in the future...should get around this whole startup issue with load and the corsair 1200i power supplies if this was to apply to the Titan (will likely just be a coward and use whatever KNC recommends in the future and use this corsair 1200i for something else....coward that I am....)
so it goes good to know you had no problems
Searing
so it goes good to know you had no problems
Searing
*yak yak, 1200i good, EVGA bad, yadda yadda, some comment i accidentally deleted and can't be bothered to retype... does anybody have it to copy paste or undo my edit?*
Funny thing is, KfC can't now fix the PCI-e power problem without admitting that it exists and offering compensation.
u27 is right...
I like this guy ^ he sounds like he knows what he is talking about.
true essentially KNC if I remember right would not even recommend a power supply for the Neptune unlike the Jupiter/Saturns...
you buy if it don't work your stuck seems to be there view
Searing
"The recommended PSU set up per Neptune is 3 x 850w (or 2 x 1200w). There's one (1) 6-pin connector per board, and there's 5 chips alltogether on a Neptune, plus a controller card in it's own box."
But IMHO, It's not enough for a proper startup for the asics
2 cubes on a 1200 is already bordering insanity...
add the controller card to a cube, and dead dies occur at boot. (Power starved)
at least that's what happened to us.
just got 3 wire cable Y style splitters from cablez on here 12 bucks each ...3 of them .with the 6 heavy duty leads...help spread out the load on startup on my corsair 1200i these should solve the problem.....others on here have had to use other then corsair 1200i units to get the neptunes up...will see how this works I guess for my use on a Titan should I choose to use this unit.. probably not a bad mod to have anyway to use on anything in the future...should get around this whole startup issue with load and the corsair 1200i power supplies if this was to apply to the Titan (will likely just be a coward and use whatever KNC recommends in the future and use this corsair 1200i for something else....coward that I am....)
so it goes good to know you had no problems
Searing
so it goes good to know you had no problems
Searing
*yak yak, 1200i good, EVGA bad, yadda yadda, some comment i accidentally deleted and can't be bothered to retype... does anybody have it to copy paste or undo my edit?*
Funny thing is, KfC can't now fix the PCI-e power problem without admitting that it exists and offering compensation.
u27 is right...
I like this guy ^ he sounds like he knows what he is talking about.
true essentially KNC if I remember right would not even recommend a power supply for the Neptune unlike the Jupiter/Saturns...
you buy if it don't work your stuck seems to be there view
Searing
If knc dont refund neptune buyers then surely they should be investigated by a company trading authority,they just dont seem remotely care from what i have been reading...
I agree.
Here we go again with the "consumer protection law will protect us". Every time knc ship, this comes up and ultimately no one does anything.
When RealMalatesta didn't get his refund when he asked, he spoke about getting a European Arrest Warrant for one of the knc company directors and his refund came pretty soon after that.
If you actually want something done and you actually think knc have done something criminal, then file for an arrest warrant. Emailing their customers service team is a total waste of time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Arrest_Warrant
When RealMalatesta didn't get his refund when he asked, he spoke about getting a European Arrest Warrant for one of the knc company directors and his refund came pretty soon after that.
If you actually want something done and you actually think knc have done something criminal, then file for an arrest warrant. Emailing their customers service team is a total waste of time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Arrest_Warrant
If people want refunds, they need to apply pressure to KNC. Pressure is NOT complaining on knc's forum or emailing their customer service team, which is all people seem to do. And it's a total total waste of time.
Action is taking legal action, it's getting police involved and as you say, getting Swedish trading authority involved etc.
A guy on this forum spoke about using a lawyer to get a refund and it seems hardly anyone has asked him for details. A bunch of people could get together, either pay this lawyer to take on their cases, or pay for a consultation to see which laws KNC are breaking, which that lawyer used to force a refund out of knc.
If people aren't willing to get together and do this, then these pussies just need to wait until kind, benevolent knc decide to get around to making refunds.
As Scam Hole thinks bitcoin is heading for $2000-$3000 this year (http://youtu.be/jFpJ4pGQZKE?t=4m4s), he is probably waiting as long as possible with refunds, so he only has to give back 3 or 4BTC to customers. If people don't like it, they need to get together and take action. If they aren't going to take action, then lie back and lube up your butts! (can't be bothered to repost barrel of lube post again
) just got 3 wire cable Y style splitters from cablez on here 12 bucks each ...3 of them .with the 6 heavy duty leads...help spread out the load on startup on my corsair 1200i these should solve the problem.....others on here have had to use other then corsair 1200i units to get the neptunes up...will see how this works I guess for my use on a Titan should I choose to use this unit.. probably not a bad mod to have anyway to use on anything in the future...should get around this whole startup issue with load and the corsair 1200i power supplies if this was to apply to the Titan (will likely just be a coward and use whatever KNC recommends in the future and use this corsair 1200i for something else....coward that I am....)
so it goes good to know you had no problems
Searing
so it goes good to know you had no problems
Searing
*yak yak, 1200i good, EVGA bad, yadda yadda, some comment i accidentally deleted and can't be bothered to retype... does anybody have it to copy paste or undo my edit?*
Funny thing is, KfC can't now fix the PCI-e power problem without admitting that it exists and offering compensation.
u27 is right...
I like this guy ^ he sounds like he knows what he is talking about.
If knc dont refund neptune buyers then surely they should be investigated by a company trading authority,they just dont seem remotely care from what i have been reading...
For those in my boat with a corsair 1200i they may have considered for use on the Neptune (don't work see post below) and or the Titan (see post below)
I got this reply from Kurt at KNC Forums...so definitely don't get this for the Neptune and probably not a good idea for the Titan either
again for people in my boat who may have one of these lying about ..they 'thought' they could likely use with the Titan...er not looking likely now imho
Kurt's reply to my question on the corsair 1200i and its use with a Titan...1st line is in regards to the Neptune...2nd line is in regards to the Titan....
I quote:
"To answer your additional questions, the 1200i is a multi rail power supply that cannot handle the frequency set at 425MHz, there is no fix for this as the power supply is inadequate.
We do not know the exact specifications of the Titan miner yet, so it is best to wait until final specs are released."
end quote:
Anyway just a heads up to those having these corsair 1200i units they planned to use with Titan (or Neptune) ...and/or to those who were gonna buy such.
Probably that would be a bad call imho...
anyway for your consideration
Searing
I got this reply from Kurt at KNC Forums...so definitely don't get this for the Neptune and probably not a good idea for the Titan either
again for people in my boat who may have one of these lying about ..they 'thought' they could likely use with the Titan...er not looking likely now imho
Kurt's reply to my question on the corsair 1200i and its use with a Titan...1st line is in regards to the Neptune...2nd line is in regards to the Titan....
I quote:
"To answer your additional questions, the 1200i is a multi rail power supply that cannot handle the frequency set at 425MHz, there is no fix for this as the power supply is inadequate.
We do not know the exact specifications of the Titan miner yet, so it is best to wait until final specs are released."
end quote:
Anyway just a heads up to those having these corsair 1200i units they planned to use with Titan (or Neptune) ...and/or to those who were gonna buy such.
Probably that would be a bad call imho...
anyway for your consideration
Searing
I've got my Neptune working with a 1200i for 2 cubes and a 1500i for 3 cubes. I added another header to PCB and running 2 cables per cube. I will post some pictures when I get a chance. I didn't have to raise the cover on my mod... like I saw some others on here did.
just got 3 wire cable Y style splitters from cablez on here 12 bucks each ...3 of them .with the 6 heavy duty leads...help spread out the load on startup on my corsair 1200i these should solve the problem.....others on here have had to use other then corsair 1200i units to get the neptunes up...will see how this works I guess for my use on a Titan should I choose to use this unit.. probably not a bad mod to have anyway to use on anything in the future...should get around this whole startup issue with load and the corsair 1200i power supplies if this was to apply to the Titan (will likely just be a coward and use whatever KNC recommends in the future and use this corsair 1200i for something else....coward that I am....)
so it goes good to know you had no problems
Searing
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