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Topic: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 385. (Read 3050076 times)

legendary
Activity: 1512
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Considering that the "n" in KnC stands for FRUGAL TO A FAULT,
my bets would be on one controller and serial connections. It need not be ribbon cable though.

YMMV
Smiley

I concur.  Aso, it is unlikely that they'll ever have more than one ASIC per board/box and that single PCI-E plug is a major safety hazard.
sr. member
Activity: 386
Merit: 250
If this Neptune is really a 5 box solution, then I'm wondering if they are linked with data-ribbon, or each box stand-alone, in which case the GH/Watt rating is increased by the added BBB/controller combo in each box. (Maybe controller/pcb on a single board now) Trading efficiency for RMA "ease". Considering past events, probably a wise move on their part, although it looks oddly like a pain in the *ss to deal with so many ip's and GUI pages, and miner worker-names, etc.... to bad they're not wifi
Future board revisions will surely yield greater efficiency, especially if they use the multi-asic per board approach, and only have one controller BBB combo to feed power to.

Considering that the "n" in KnC stands for FRUGAL TO A FAULT,
my bets would be on one controller and serial connections. It need not be ribbon cable though.

YMMV
Smiley
legendary
Activity: 938
Merit: 1000
LIR DEV
If this Neptune is really a 5 box solution, then I'm wondering if they are linked with data-ribbon, or each box stand-alone, in which case the GH/Watt rating is increased by the added BBB/controller combo in each box. (Maybe controller/pcb on a single board now) Trading efficiency for RMA "ease". Considering past events, probably a wise move on their part, although it looks oddly like a pain in the *ss to deal with so many ip's and GUI pages, and miner worker-names, etc.... to bad they're not wifi
Future board revisions will surely yield greater efficiency, especially if they use the multi-asic per board approach, and only have one controller BBB combo to feed power to... or was there a limit on what the BBB could handle Th/s wise?
legendary
Activity: 3878
Merit: 1193
Do you really think they will be shipping in september? They said they expect to ship batch 1 and 2 before the end of this month..

Batch 2 is next month.

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Batch 2 pre-order customers before the end of the month.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1007
At a diff increase of only 15%

6TH in September will get you 7+ BTC by the end of the year
3TH now will get you 10+ BTC by the end of the year.

3TH now + 3TH in August will get you 16+ BTC by the end of the year

I trust you can do the basic maths and compare this to the number of BTC you could buy now with the same $$$

I see that you can do basic math which is good, but you are forgetting something.

You really should learn to pick your arguments RoadStress …

6TH @ $4500, 18% increase in difficulty, $.15kwh electricity cost, starting in 45 days (early-mid August) will earn less than 7 BTC before it is operating in the RED. At today's BTC prices, you could purchase more BTC than the SP30 will earn before it becomes a boat anchor.

Presumably, since you are a genius at match you have figured this out for yourself. The only question we all are asking is why are you shilling so hard for SP30 machines when you know buying BTC is a better option.


So you deny your own statement. Good one. If the future is as bad as you say with 6TH/s then it's actually worse for the Neptune "delivered" one month earlier since it has 1/2 of the hashrate and more power consumption.

BTC is a better option when? At what exchange rate and sold when?
hero member
Activity: 770
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It's not like you can get a 3Th/s Neptune now. If you buy a Neptune now you will get it in September too. There is nothing on stock right now.

Do you really think they will be shipping in september? They said they expect to ship batch 1 and 2 before the end of this month..

So you are selling cheap inefficient use of power in an expensive immersion cooled setup. Much marketing, less hardware.

Roadstress sp30 offering:$0.88/gh 0.5w/gh $0.15/kwh (starts hashing in a few months)

Datatank offering: $0.93/gh 0.6w/gh $0.025/kwh (starts hashing in a few weeks)

0.6w/gh is not inefficient and <$0.5/w for cooling is not expensive.

Please be more bad evasive at comparing apples with oranges. Comparing different power prices shows exactly how bad intended are you. Are you implying that an SP30 CAN'T be hosted for the same $0.025/kwh or what? Anyone that can afford a DataTank can also afford building his own air cooled datacenter in the WA state where power is $0.025/kwh! Comparing $0.15/kwh with $0.025/kwh is simply lame.

You only need 0.028btc to afford datatank/giant mining operation rates.

It's a fair comparison because your customers need to spend $5,300 + $0.15/kwh where as datatank customers spend $17 for 18GH. Please show me hosting at $0.025/kwh available to your customers. I doubt you can even find below $0.05/kwh.

Yes someone could probably build an air cooled DC but even at $0.025/kwh immersion cooling would save ~$200,000/year in electricity costs alone.

Also how can you get better numbers with an sp30? Datatank hardware production costs are $0.53/gh vs your material costs of $0.5/gh. Will you be selling SP30 in a few weeks for $3200 each? (including shipping)

Again comparing apples with oranges! How can you compare datatank hardware production costs with full miners production costs? Unbelievable!

Datatank HW production costs are $0.53/gh. $0.82/gh is including cooling.
legendary
Activity: 1316
Merit: 1014
ex uno plures
At a diff increase of only 15%

6TH in September will get you 7+ BTC by the end of the year
3TH now will get you 10+ BTC by the end of the year.

3TH now + 3TH in August will get you 16+ BTC by the end of the year

I trust you can do the basic maths and compare this to the number of BTC you could buy now with the same $$$

I see that you can do basic math which is good, but you are forgetting something.

You really should learn to pick your arguments RoadStress …

6TH @ $4500, 18% increase in difficulty, $.15kwh electricity cost, starting in 45 days (early-mid August) will earn less than 7 BTC before it is operating in the RED. At today's BTC prices, you could purchase more BTC than the SP30 will earn before it becomes a boat anchor.

Presumably, since you are a genius at math, you have figured this out for yourself. The only question we are all asking is why are you shilling so hard for SP30 machines when you know buying BTC is a better option. We're guessing its because you profit from it.

As an on-topic comment, it is clear that a Neptune @ similar prices is in a similarly disadvantaged situation.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1007
At a diff increase of only 15%

6TH in September will get you 7+ BTC by the end of the year
3TH now will get you 10+ BTC by the end of the year.

3TH now + 3TH in August will get you 16+ BTC by the end of the year

I trust you can do the basic maths and compare this to the number of BTC you could buy now with the same $$$

I see that you can do basic math which is good, but you are forgetting something. One Neptune was worth ~12k$ (VAT included) and one August SP30 was worth $4,500 (in my GB). The BTC difference isn't worth the difference in payment. As for the August delivery of the free 3Th/s we will have to see about that. I am reserved about that.

I agree with you...  But there are people that have tried to convince people (and has worked I'm sure) that if you get 6TH in September and nothing now you will end up making more money.  Those people are just clever salesmen ... Terrible for the community...

It's not like you can get a 3Th/s Neptune now. If you buy a Neptune now you will get it in September too. There is nothing on stock right now.

hmm, we bought 3thmin, and are getting another 3th min in end of batch 3 for 10k CAbatch...   I think you may need to re-sharpen your pencil
Have you joined the team of trolls here advertising other companies shit too?   WTF?

Please post your 3Th/s Neptune to a single Eligius address to track it's earnings. When you get your free Neptune point that to the same address. We draw the line on 31 December 2014.

So you are selling cheap inefficient use of power in an expensive immersion cooled setup. Much marketing, less hardware.

Roadstress sp30 offering:$0.88/gh 0.5w/gh $0.15/kwh (starts hashing in a few months)

Datatank offering: $0.93/gh 0.6w/gh $0.025/kwh (starts hashing in a few weeks)

0.6w/gh is not inefficient and <$0.5/w for cooling is not expensive.

Please be more bad evasive at comparing apples with oranges. Comparing different power prices shows exactly how bad intended are you. Are you implying that an SP30 CAN'T be hosted for the same $0.025/kwh or what? Anyone that can afford a DataTank can also afford building his own air cooled datacenter in the WA state where power is $0.025/kwh! Comparing $0.15/kwh with $0.025/kwh is simply lame.

Also please show me demo of the Datatank reaching 0.6w/gh, otherwise is just in your dreams.

Also how can you get better numbers with an sp30? Datatank hardware production costs are $0.53/gh vs your material costs of $0.5/gh. Will you be selling SP30 in a few weeks for $3200 each? (including shipping)

Again comparing apples with oranges! How can you compare datatank hardware production costs with full miners production costs? Unbelievable!

As soon as these datatanks go up for sale you will have to match their price to compete gather preorders.

Right as for the delayed rx-miners? I am sure sales are booming now with the S3 announced.
hero member
Activity: 744
Merit: 514
gotta let a coin be a coin
^ ya, srsly. If you're willing to plunk down 10Gs have some sense and just go get decent 16 or 24 port device. Not sure how to run it then spend a few more quid to get someone to set it up for you. It's not that hard.
hero member
Activity: 728
Merit: 500
oh, so theyre in 'shipping' phase already??

i guess that means early june datacentre mining wasnt necessary after all.

how fortunate for everyone...

so sad to see the tards, shills, turds & muppets all jizz in their pants about something they barely seem to comprehend.

 fake quote - "but its one box, i mean 5, i mean 6, they said 2, no wait, but umm, im always right around my 'mates' who actually just physically ignore me rather than press an ignore button on & off a few dozen times a day" /fake quote

party on, liars!!
Where did you hear KNC were shipping already?
....or is this more of your B.S. shining through?

By the looks of that doggone photo you may be right about the 5 boxes tho
Looks like a network nightmare waiting to happen
... hope your home network will handle more than 5 i.p's. Mine won't!
Ever hear of a thing called a router?
legendary
Activity: 1316
Merit: 1014
ex uno plures
up until a week or so ago i thought s1gs3gv was a lot smarter - but perhaps hes playing a role for reason/s as yet unestablished??

Why thank you Sir Edgar. If you are referring to my agreement with Searing that it is probably best just to buy BTC instead of miners, I'm not sure how you could take exception to that. After all, buying mining hardware now is like buying BTC at a 10-20% premium.

Will be interesting to see how the S3 is priced ...
legendary
Activity: 915
Merit: 1005
Stop the bickering kids  Grin

Difficulty should reach escape velocity now that KNC has fully funded  there new asics. They will probably stop selling soon and make miners for themselves Sad. If that really does happen, hopefully all has learnt. The customers would have just been a means to an end, not the business model.
legendary
Activity: 1859
Merit: 1001
pity projection....

lies about ignoring...

did you forget to mention you're getting a (sigh) titan? or did you actually read my post and take note?

obvious liar....


...obvious


keep trying to build that rep - long scammer.

phonie will back you
copper member
Activity: 2898
Merit: 1465
Clueless!
oh, so theyre in 'shipping' phase already??

i guess that means early june datacentre mining wasnt necessary after all.

how fortunate for everyone...

so sad to see the tards, shills, turds & muppets all jizz in their pants about something they barely seem to comprehend.

 fake quote - "but its one box, i mean 5, i mean 6, they said 2, no wait, but umm, im always right around my 'mates' who actually just physically ignore me rather than press an ignore button on & off a few dozen times a day" /fake quote

party on, liars!!
Where did you hear KNC were shipping already?
....or is this more of your B.S. shining through?

By the looks of that doggone photo you may be right about the 5 boxes tho
Looks like a network nightmare waiting to happen
... hope your home network will handle more than 5 i.p's. Mine won't!

learn to read, you absolute simpleton. As this is indeed yet more of your willful stupidity shining through.


when did you stop pretending to ignore me for the 9th time??



and if you (searing - im (sigh) getting a titan (sigh) still even though i told you already and (sigh) cant STFU about it) really feel the need to flood every thread with your inane repetative rambling shite, i suggest you find yourself a penpal - are you(sigh) getting a titan?? did you not(sigh) tell everyone about 1400 times already??


you & phonie should hook up.

 the combined loneliness, stupidity and desperate need to belong will be a great foundation to build upon - you pair of bellends


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKvNiYHOTHA      Grin

argh must skim move on to next msg my eyes...(gee thanks unacceptable you are a peach lol Smiley

Searing

(much angst in the force on here we see) (it is hard to be so 'compelling' that avenger can't resist reading my posts and put me on /ignore ...i must be sooo interesting to him in his sad little life lol..hmmmm why not just put me on /ignore...well hard to spew out the anger that is building up from your sad life w/o having someone anon on bitcoin talk to toss it out at...hmmm....man i pity you a great deal)


legendary
Activity: 2212
Merit: 1001
oh, so theyre in 'shipping' phase already??

i guess that means early june datacentre mining wasnt necessary after all.

how fortunate for everyone...

so sad to see the tards, shills, turds & muppets all jizz in their pants about something they barely seem to comprehend.

 fake quote - "but its one box, i mean 5, i mean 6, they said 2, no wait, but umm, im always right around my 'mates' who actually just physically ignore me rather than press an ignore button on & off a few dozen times a day" /fake quote

party on, liars!!
Where did you hear KNC were shipping already?
....or is this more of your B.S. shining through?

By the looks of that doggone photo you may be right about the 5 boxes tho
Looks like a network nightmare waiting to happen
... hope your home network will handle more than 5 i.p's. Mine won't!

learn to read, you absolute simpleton. As this is indeed yet more of your willful stupidity shining through.


when did you stop pretending to ignore me for the 9th time??



and if you (searing - im (sigh) getting a titan (sigh) still even though i told you already and (sigh) cant STFU about it) really feel the need to flood every thread with your inane repetative rambling shite, i suggest you find yourself a penpal - are you(sigh) getting a titan?? did you not(sigh) tell everyone about 1400 times already??


you & phonie should hook up.

 the combined loneliness, stupidity and desperate need to belong will be a great foundation to build upon - you pair of bellends


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKvNiYHOTHA      Grin
copper member
Activity: 2898
Merit: 1465
Clueless!
heh three edgar posts after mine...heh ..too bad i never look anymore ..i like the idea of him yelling at air
more then what he says...no fun to put someone on /ignore if you cheat the game by looking don't ya know

...(now someone will quote him sigh and likely a rant about me)

edgar if the replies i see after my post were too me save your breath I've not looked a a post from you in 2 months or more
I like this game much more then reading your dribble....heh....(crap prob is not to me and a fine upstanding post....er nah what are the odds?)

(but have seen snippets of them on quotes unfortunately)

must be sad to have your life...

anyway.....now that i wasted someones time in replies (man i love that /ignore button feel free to /ingore me if you wish I don't care don't know you anyway!)

back to the topic at hand....will the Neptune ROI (likely CA will) the others Huh hmmmm....

Searing

hero member
Activity: 728
Merit: 500
Why are Guy and Jimmothy slugging it out in the KNC thread ? You are both seriously off-topic.

Indeed. Got carried away. Going to sleep now.

Good, go f' off to your own thread next time.

You guys that still have your orders send us some pics when they come in. Glad to see you are actually getting hardware.


Do we have a Knc rep here?
legendary
Activity: 1859
Merit: 1001
It sure looks like Searing knows what he is talking about when he said it's better to buy BTC than miners.

perhaps this one point alone but didnt he just repeat what 1000s of other have already said months ago.


hardly amazing to see phonie-x jump on the 'searing knows' bandwagon of chumps

up until a week or so ago i thought s1gs3gv was a lot smarter - but perhaps hes playing a role for reason/s as yet unestablished??

legendary
Activity: 1859
Merit: 1001
oh, so theyre in 'shipping' phase already??

i guess that means early june datacentre mining wasnt necessary after all.

how fortunate for everyone...

so sad to see the tards, shills, turds & muppets all jizz in their pants about something they barely seem to comprehend.

 fake quote - "but its one box, i mean 5, i mean 6, they said 2, no wait, but umm, im always right around my 'mates' who actually just physically ignore me rather than press an ignore button on & off a few dozen times a day" /fake quote

party on, liars!!
Where did you hear KNC were shipping already?
....or is this more of your B.S. shining through?

By the looks of that doggone photo you may be right about the 5 boxes tho
Looks like a network nightmare waiting to happen
... hope your home network will handle more than 5 i.p's. Mine won't!

learn to read, you absolute simpleton. As this is indeed yet more of your willful stupidity shining through.


when did you stop pretending to ignore me for the 9th time??



and if you (searing - im (sigh) getting a titan (sigh) still even though i told you already and (sigh) cant STFU about it) really feel the need to flood every thread with your inane repetative rambling shite, i suggest you find yourself a penpal - are you(sigh) getting a titan?? did you not(sigh) tell everyone about 1400 times already??


you & phonie should hook up.

 the combined loneliness, stupidity and desperate need to belong will be a great foundation to build upon - you pair of bellends
copper member
Activity: 2898
Merit: 1465
Clueless!
Wow,got any idea how much 3TH makes with the network at 150 Petahash  Huh

Difficulty Factor   36647500000.0
Hash Rate           3000     gh
Exchange Rate    $614

per Day    0.04116842 BTC   $25.29
per Week  0.28817892 BTC   $177.05
per Month 1.25306368 BTC   $769.87


BTC better hit $1000-1500 ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!  Wink


yep why i did this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FPELc1wEvk

RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY!

Searing

(of course that was before KNC stunts etc..was blinded by love for KNC then....alas.... I am now getting a Titan instead..sigh)

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