Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com - page 968.

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Quote from: Rampion on November 26, 2013, 08:52:47 AM

They are currently selling 550GH/s Jupiters for 5k, so I'd say that the 2TH machines NEED to be cheaper than $20k - its a no brainer. Do not forget that you will have to face a huge wait and the BTC/USD is very uncertain, as usual.

I won't be in unless the 2TH machines cost $10k or less.

Actually its currently 650Gh/s for 5K so I'm hoping they will be under 15K for 2TH if they delivered Neptune in November!

Plus I'd like to hope they would be aggressively pricing against the competition

Why not just bury them? If a proven company like KnC can come up with 2TH for less than the non-existent pre-orders then they should get quite an avalanche of "defectors" Tongue

With the difficulty increases and competitors coming on the market, 2TH in March would need to be the same price was last month 650GH

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From the article: "Maybe a European house can run six chips and a US house less chips,” he said, adding that chips would turn on automatically as more power became available to the box."

I wondered if something similar was going on with a poster who said his Saturns and Jupiter all had problems but didn't say anything as if there were this in the programming someone would have noticed and pointed it out.

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I won't be in unless the 2TH machines cost $10k or less.

Me too. Otherwise just wait till Cointerra proofs they can deliver as well (will be before KnC will deliver the Neptune), and then buy a second batch (feb/mch-2014) 2T Cointerra for about 7000......
Please KnC: offer us a <10k dollar Neptune (that is 12 coins, right now, and will take 3 months to Mine-back, in Apr till Jun 2014).

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BitcoinEvo [$XBTE]

Pretty scary pay 10k and waiting till March BTC value,100$ maybe 14$ like in January 2013 Kiss

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Quote from: Gator-hex on November 26, 2013, 08:37:32 AM

Quote from: matthewh3 on November 26, 2013, 08:34:23 AM

Quote from: Gator-hex on November 26, 2013, 08:32:23 AM

2TH for somewhere between (12 x 120v = 1440w) and (12 x 230v = 2760w) is not exactly a huge leap in efficiency.

Slap bang in the middle of that range is 2100w

You can have 2TH with 55nm Bitfury for 2300w Tongue

They quoted 0.7w/(GH/s) tho they were very conservative last time with their estimates.

They didn't beat the 55nm Bitfury with the 28nm. Eventually this game will come down to power efficiency.
I don't believe they are using real ASICs but instead FPGA HardCopy ASICs

I'll only be interested if it's selling under $20,000

They are currently selling 550GH/s Jupiters for 5k, so I'd say that the 2TH machines NEED to be cheaper than $20k - its a no brainer. Do not forget that you will have to face a huge wait and the BTC/USD is very uncertain, as usual.

I won't be in unless the 2TH machines cost $10k or less.

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Quote from: Gator-hex on November 26, 2013, 08:41:02 AM

Quote from: merv77 on November 26, 2013, 08:39:33 AM

Quote from: Gator-hex on November 26, 2013, 08:32:23 AM

2TH for somewhere between (12 x 120v = 1440w) and (12 x 230v = 2760w) is not exactly a huge leap in efficiency.

Slap bang in the middle of that range is 2100w

You can have 2TH with 55nm Bitfury for 2300w Tongue

0.7W x 2000GH/s = 1400W
I believe it will be well under that. probably around the 1000W range

No it will be over 1440w because they said US buyers would be down on power and some cores wouldn't come online on a standard household power socket.

Yeah if it's 0.7W/(GH/s) on the chips at the wall it'll be more. So two 1000W PSU's per box?

thoughtcourier

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Hey, lurker checking in here:

Did anyone ever start a November delivery thread? I'd like to see it and help out when I get my order.

Also, somewhat off-topic, but how do I get bitcointalk threads in a more readable format? Like an RSS feed e-mail I can check? I'm sure it's really simple, but I'm too lazy to find it.

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Quote from: Gator-hex on November 26, 2013, 08:37:32 AM

Quote from: matthewh3 on November 26, 2013, 08:34:23 AM

Quote from: Gator-hex on November 26, 2013, 08:32:23 AM

2TH for somewhere between (12 x 120v = 1440w) and (12 x 230v = 2760w) is not exactly a huge leap in efficiency.

Slap bang in the middle of that range is 2100w

You can have 2TH with 55nm Bitfury for 2300w Tongue

They quoted 0.7w/(GH/s) tho they were very conservative last time with their estimates.

They didn't beat the 55nm Bitfury with the 28nm. Eventually this game will come down to power efficiency.
I don't believe they are using real ASICs but instead FPGA HardCopy ASICs

I believe you would be 100% incorrect then.

If you wanted to undervolt the KnC system it could easily use less power than bitfury and probably have more hashrate per silicon used.

Regardless of the above speculation, KnC uses Standard Cell and not FPGA Hardcopy. This has been said and said and said and apparently still isn't clear enough.

Quote from: Gator-hex on November 26, 2013, 08:41:02 AM

Quote from: merv77 on November 26, 2013, 08:39:33 AM

Quote from: Gator-hex on November 26, 2013, 08:32:23 AM

2TH for somewhere between (12 x 120v = 1440w) and (12 x 230v = 2760w) is not exactly a huge leap in efficiency.

Slap bang in the middle of that range is 2100w

You can have 2TH with 55nm Bitfury for 2300w Tongue

0.7W x 2000GH/s = 1400W
I believe it will be well under that. probably around the 1000W range

No it will be over 1440w because they said US buyers would be down on power and some cores wouldn't come online.

They "Said"

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Cole believes that residential power supplies in some households won’t be able to handle it on a single fuse. “American houses don’t have the same supply as Sweden or Germany for example,” he said.

Which has nothing to do with "Cores" coming online or using "more power"

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“Maybe a European house can run six chips and a US house less chips,” he said, adding that chips would turn on automatically as more power became available to the box.

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Quote from: merv77 on November 26, 2013, 08:39:33 AM

Quote from: Gator-hex on November 26, 2013, 08:32:23 AM

2TH for somewhere between (12 x 120v = 1440w) and (12 x 230v = 2760w) is not exactly a huge leap in efficiency.

Slap bang in the middle of that range is 2100w

You can have 2TH with 55nm Bitfury for 2300w Tongue

0.7W x 2000GH/s = 1400W
I believe it will be well under that. probably around the 1000W range

No it will be over 1440w because they said US buyers would be down on power and some cores wouldn't come online on a standard household power socket.

It'll only be slight more power efficient than 55nm Bitfurys so any investment in them has no real need to worry until we see a genuine 28nm ASIC.

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Quote from: Gator-hex on November 26, 2013, 08:37:32 AM

Quote from: matthewh3 on November 26, 2013, 08:34:23 AM

Quote from: Gator-hex on November 26, 2013, 08:32:23 AM

2TH for somewhere between (12 x 120v = 1440w) and (12 x 230v = 2760w) is not exactly a huge leap in efficiency.

Slap bang in the middle of that range is 2100w

You can have 2TH with 55nm Bitfury for 2300w Tongue

They quoted 0.7w/(GH/s) tho they were very conservative last time with their estimates.

They didn't beat the 55nm Bitfury with the 28nm. Eventually this game will come down to power efficiency.

Maybe there design has been improved a lot this time on their second generation which'll be a third generation in general bitcoin ASIC terms. Hopefully it'll ship before Hashfast and Cointerra's 28nm chips Tongue

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Quote from: Gator-hex on November 26, 2013, 08:32:23 AM

2TH for somewhere between (12 x 120v = 1440w) and (12 x 230v = 2760w) is not exactly a huge leap in efficiency.

Slap bang in the middle of that range is 2100w

You can have 2TH with 55nm Bitfury for 2300w Tongue

0.7W x 2000GH/s = 1400W
I believe it will be well under that. probably around the 1000W range

Gator-hex

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Quote from: matthewh3 on November 26, 2013, 08:34:23 AM

Quote from: Gator-hex on November 26, 2013, 08:32:23 AM

2TH for somewhere between (12 x 120v = 1440w) and (12 x 230v = 2760w) is not exactly a huge leap in efficiency.

Slap bang in the middle of that range is 2100w

You can have 2TH with 55nm Bitfury for 2300w Tongue

They quoted 0.7w/(GH/s) tho they were very conservative last time with their estimates.

They didn't beat the 55nm Bitfury with the 28nm. Eventually this game will come down to power efficiency.
I don't believe they are using real ASICs but instead FPGA HardCopy ASICs

I'll only be interested if it's selling under $20,000

kendog77

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Agreed, the leap to 20nm tech from 28nm is not huge.

http://www.tsmc.com/english/dedicatedFoundry/technology/20nm.htm

"TSMC's 20nm process technology can provide 30 percent higher speed, 1.9 times the density, or 25 percent less power than its 28nm technology."

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Quote from: Gator-hex on November 26, 2013, 08:32:23 AM

2TH for somewhere between (12 x 120v = 1440w) and (12 x 230v = 2760w) is not exactly a huge leap in efficiency.

Slap bang in the middle of that range is 2100w

You can have 2TH with 55nm Bitfury for 2300w Tongue

They quoted 0.7w/(GH/s) tho they were very conservative last time with their estimates.

Gator-hex

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2TH for somewhere between (12 x 120v = 1440w) and (12 x 230v = 2760w) is not exactly a huge leap in efficiency.

Slap bang in the middle of that range is 2100w

You can have 2TH with 55nm Bitfury for 2300w Tongue

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Quote from: matthewh3 on November 26, 2013, 08:25:18 AM

http://www.coindesk.com/kncminer-pre-orders-next-asic/

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https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3719786

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http://www.coindesk.com/kncminer-pre-orders-next-asic/

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KnCMiner will today announce Neptune, its next-generation product: an ASIC bitcoin miner using 20nm chips that will provide at least 2TH of power.

Some North American users might not be able to use the full power of the boxes unless they run electrical supply from different fuses.

“Maybe a European house can run six chips and a US house less chips,” he said, adding that chips would turn on automatically as more power became available to the box.

“The issue is that we are getting very close to the limit of the household supply in our next generation,” he said. “So the bottleneck has become the house.” This will probably be one of the firm’s last retail products, he added.

Existing customers will get a discount on the boxes, and they will also receive their products around two or three weeks earlier than the competition. There will be no trade-in program.

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Quote from: merv77 on November 26, 2013, 07:47:18 AM

Quote from: Searing on November 26, 2013, 07:38:27 AM

Quote from: de_ixie on November 26, 2013, 07:37:22 AM

Quote from: joeventura on November 26, 2013, 07:35:47 AM

"Existing customers will get a discount on the boxes, and they will also receive their products around two or three weeks earlier than the competition. There will be no trade-in program."

If you are a non-existing customer, and want to take advantage of this, PM me.

I case joeventura has a capacity problem - I offer the same Wink

Ditto

what's the catch guys, what do you want for the effort?

not for me as i'm existing customer already. i'm just curious

What do you think is fair?

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I share your happiness, but if the diff. till end of March hit 3000mil YOU WILL PRAY TO HELL for btc being at 800$ (you will earn 8k month) or fall back to 100$ it will be just 1000$ a month, or do you will share some less aversive visions?

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Quote from: de_ixie on November 26, 2013, 08:07:48 AM

Quote from: vesperwillow on November 26, 2013, 08:03:43 AM

So is anyone seeing a preorder page yet?

someone has a tip for a good page alert?

use this qry string "page monitor chrome extension". google will give you all the details.

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