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BCCI power lies in Indian cricket fans, that's what gives them edge when crunching numbers. Indian fans are hungry for cricket related content or any content in general and willing to pay fair amount of bucks. In contrast just look at recent SL vs Pak test series, it didn't generated big money and result it's streaming in youtube for free. We can't think this scenario with any Indian series even dead rubber matches. 

Yeah BCCI had virtually no money at that time, they were dirt poor and didn't even had money to give any prize money to their 1983 WC winning team. There is a story that Late Lata Mangeshkar had to do concert, so that BCCI collect enough money for prize money.

1991-92 was the key point when economy liberalisation happened. Although BCCI wasn't big player in early 2000 too. Board was generating okay money but not big ones. Turning point was IPL, it changed literally everything. Having said that BCCI still have lot to learn in terms innovation, including tech related stuff (On field data of players).

Supporting 100% sounds more like -Black and White- kind of argument to me. I like to see all BCCI drama in grey or any cricket board in general.

BCCI is no doubt the king at the moment and it become the king as 1.3 billion people in India are crazy for cricket. BCCI is doing what England and Australia used to do in 90s when bcci was just like any small board. Due to IPL everything is under bcci control, the icc and rest of boards.
I think BCCI will remain like this for many more years because the craze of IPL is growing not only in India but abroad too. If BCCI is able to launch WIPL and if it is a success like IPL then BCCI will be unstoppable. They are already controlling ICC and all other boards do know that therefore they are unable to unite on one point. IPL is the biggest success story for BCCI and it will remain like that for many years to come.
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BCCI power lies in Indian cricket fans, that's what gives them edge when crunching numbers. Indian fans are hungry for cricket related content or any content in general and willing to pay fair amount of bucks. In contrast just look at recent SL vs Pak test series, it didn't generated big money and result it's streaming in youtube for free. We can't think this scenario with any Indian series even dead rubber matches. 

Yeah BCCI had virtually no money at that time, they were dirt poor and didn't even had money to give any prize money to their 1983 WC winning team. There is a story that Late Lata Mangeshkar had to do concert, so that BCCI collect enough money for prize money.

1991-92 was the key point when economy liberalisation happened. Although BCCI wasn't big player in early 2000 too. Board was generating okay money but not big ones. Turning point was IPL, it changed literally everything. Having said that BCCI still have lot to learn in terms innovation, including tech related stuff (On field data of players).

Supporting 100% sounds more like -Black and White- kind of argument to me. I like to see all BCCI drama in grey or any cricket board in general.

BCCI is no doubt the king at the moment and it become the king as 1.3 billion people in India are crazy for cricket. BCCI is doing what England and Australia used to do in 90s when bcci was just like any small board. Due to IPL everything is under bcci control, the icc and rest of boards.
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Yeah, i agree BCCI do consider their players as premium assets (more like cash cow). For business point of view i don't see anything wrong in it, actually quite amazing to see them tackling everything (even their fuckups) as far as i understand that's the only reason IPL gets the big fat checks. There is a reason IPL is worth more than All ICC tournaments + Major T-20 leagues put together. IPL is BCCI's brand so why would they risk their brand value by releasing their players.

For cricketing point of view yes it's very frustrating because local players (especially uncapped and retired) don't get to play in other leagues and gain valuable experience but BCCI is in this business for profits like every cricket board.

If we are talking about profits I am inclined to agree that India is doing very well in that matter with cricket. Obviously, India is one of the world's leading cricketing nations and they have been one of the elite since Kapil Dev won the world cup for India. I don't think India ever had to look back from that point. If I'm not mistaken, money was not the strongest point of the Indian team at that time.

But now we all know that things have changed and India has become a superpower in cricket. All thanks to the money that they generate. As a cricket fan, I am not able to 100% support what they are doing. However, at the same time, I have to admit that everything they are doing right now is making them a lot of money. This is also not negatively impacting the team.


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BCCI power lies in Indian cricket fans, that's what gives them edge when crunching numbers. Indian fans are hungry for cricket related content or any content in general and willing to pay fair amount of bucks. In contrast just look at recent SL vs Pak test series, it didn't generated big money and result it's streaming in youtube for free. We can't think this scenario with any Indian series even dead rubber matches. 

Yeah BCCI had virtually no money at that time, they were dirt poor and didn't even had money to give any prize money to their 1983 WC winning team. There is a story that Late Lata Mangeshkar had to do concert, so that BCCI collect enough money for prize money.

1991-92 was the key point when economy liberalisation happened. Although BCCI wasn't big player in early 2000 too. Board was generating okay money but not big ones. Turning point was IPL, it changed literally everything. Having said that BCCI still have lot to learn in terms innovation, including tech related stuff (On field data of players).

Supporting 100% sounds more like -Black and White- kind of argument to me. I like to see all BCCI drama in grey or any cricket board in general.
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Well... this is easier said than done. In the past, the BCCI had threatened on multiple occasions to pull out of ICC tournaments, if they don't get what they want. And I don't expect anyone in ICC to antagonize the BCCI, especially since the ICC chairman (Greg Barclay, from New Zealand) is a nominee from the pig-4. Let's just hope that the BCCI won't object to a fair revenue distribution regarding the ICC funds, given the fact that they just received more than $6 billion from the IPL media rights auction.

You are pointing in right direction, that's the main reason big 4 don't want new countries specially china, Russia or USA to join in since that will break the dominance of big 4 in cricket. ICC has not control on big 4 and they can do whatever they want. Remember how Newzealand pulled out of Pakistan tour last year.
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If the decision of distributing the money evenly between all boards is taken, it is going to hurt the earnings of the big 4 and that's why it's obvious why they did not agree with this decision. I really hope that the ICC will stop being a pussy. ICC should have authority over all cricket boards. The cricket boards will have to listen to ICC in this matter but it feels like that is never the case. This could have been a wise decision taken by the ICC even though it does feel like it could have been a bit unjust for the teams in the big four. But that would have been the most sensible decision overall.

Well... this is easier said than done. In the past, the BCCI had threatened on multiple occasions to pull out of ICC tournaments, if they don't get what they want. And I don't expect anyone in ICC to antagonize the BCCI, especially since the ICC chairman (Greg Barclay, from New Zealand) is a nominee from the pig-4. Let's just hope that the BCCI won't object to a fair revenue distribution regarding the ICC funds, given the fact that they just received more than $6 billion from the IPL media rights auction.
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If the decision of distributing the money evenly between all boards is taken, it is going to hurt the earnings of the big 4 and that's why it's obvious why they did not agree with this decision. I really hope that the ICC will stop being a pussy. ICC should have authority over all cricket boards. The cricket boards will have to listen to ICC in this matter but it feels like that is never the case. This could have been a wise decision taken by the ICC even though it does feel like it could have been a bit unjust for the teams in the big four. But that would have been the most sensible decision overall.
Right now, ICC is not a sports authority it's a platform which is used by few boards for their own sack, and they want to do this as much they can because few countries are weak, and they need support from them even they are now having some good support from IPL but still they want to use this as much with this all if they bring some suitable rules for all then surely we can watch this ICC for long time otherwise it's going to be lost its worth and having nothing for few countries because recently we watch mostly they are using this for political influence and nothing else even we have no solid policies and rules which help for development of this game which is the biggest concerns now IPL is on main agenda which is surely going to kill spirit of the game they need to wake up and do some positive work instead of politics.
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For ECB and CA these amounts are peanuts tbh.
For other boards its beneficial. NZC is also gets a big check from the BCCI cause lots of Kiwis are part of the IPL. SLCB also earned fair amount of money in last season as there were lots of SL players in the every IPL squads, guess more than 10 SL players, even net bowlers.  
Not sure about CA, and even for ECB. Cricket Australia is in a much weaker position when compared to ECB, and their annual revenues are much lower. If my calculation is correct, they receive around $3 million per year from the IPL, which is a significant amount. For the ECB, such amount may be small, but not "insignificant". In case of NZC and SLCB, I agree. A number of Kiwi pacers are now regulars with various IPL sides, so are the spinners from Sri Lanka. For these two boards (along with WICB and CSA), there is a lot of dependence on funds from the IPL.

If the decision of distributing the money evenly between all boards is taken, it is going to hurt the earnings of the big 4 and that's why it's obvious why they did not agree with this decision. I really hope that the ICC will stop being a pussy. ICC should have authority over all cricket boards. The cricket boards will have to listen to ICC in this matter but it feels like that is never the case. This could have been a wise decision taken by the ICC even though it does feel like it could have been a bit unjust for the teams in the big four. But that would have been the most sensible decision overall.
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Yeah, i agree BCCI do consider their players as premium assets (more like cash cow). For business point of view i don't see anything wrong in it, actually quite amazing to see them tackling everything (even their fuckups) as far as i understand that's the only reason IPL gets the big fat checks. There is a reason IPL is worth more than All ICC tournaments + Major T-20 leagues put together. IPL is BCCI's brand so why would they risk their brand value by releasing their players.

For cricketing point of view yes it's very frustrating because local players (especially uncapped and retired) don't get to play in other leagues and gain valuable experience but BCCI is in this business for profits like every cricket board.

If we are talking about profits I am inclined to agree that India is doing very well in that matter with cricket. Obviously, India is one of the world's leading cricketing nations and they have been one of the elite since Kapil Dev won the world cup for India. I don't think India ever had to look back from that point. If I'm not mistaken, money was not the strongest point of the Indian team at that time.

But now we all know that things have changed and India has become a superpower in cricket. All thanks to the money that they generate. As a cricket fan, I am not able to 100% support what they are doing. However, at the same time, I have to admit that everything they are doing right now is making them a lot of money. This is also not negatively impacting the team.


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Most of the successful teams (take India and England as examples) have different squads for different formats. The problem with Bangladesh is that they stick to the same set of players, irrespective of the format. And this doesn't work either way. The players can't concentrate in any one format, and the team can't perform decently across the different versions. If they want to be successful in shorter variety, then they need to come up with players who specialize in that variety. And I don't think that they are lacking in talent.
If Bangladesh had players who could clear the boundary with ease, they would be in the team by now. The reason some of the teams are able to rotate players between formats is because of the bench strength they have so that they can give rest to the main players if they are playing weaker teams and Bangladesh does not have that luxury to rotate players between formats just yet.
I would not say that Bangladesh are bad as a team. They get very nervous on the field and it becomes very difficult for Bangladesh to decide what to do from which position.Especially in T20 game they can't understand anything in such a short time.That's why they are very weak in playing T20.Again, they are quite good for playing ODIs.And especially in the Bangladesh team, there is a lack of people who can lead now. There was a time when Mashrafe bin Mortaza was the leader, but the team was generally better.Anyway I would say Bangladesh team should be stronger and they should study a lot.
Just look Bangladesh got membership in ICC on June 26, 2000. Defiantly Bangladesh is very old in this respect. But comparatively their game has not progressed much. They are still far behind. The position of the Bangladesh team is ninth in the ICC T20 ranking. Apart from this, the progress made in other formats also not be appreciable. They are ranked seventh in ODIs and ninth in Tests format but i appreciate some players of the Bangladesh team who are talented among them all rounder Shakib Al Hassan, Mostafizur Rahman are renowned player in the cricket world.
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For ECB and CA these amounts are peanuts tbh.

For other boards its beneficial. NZC is also gets a big check from the BCCI cause lots of Kiwis are part of the IPL. SLCB also earned fair amount of money in last season as there were lots of SL players in the every IPL squads, guess more than 10 SL players, even net bowlers.  

Not sure about CA, and even for ECB. Cricket Australia is in a much weaker position when compared to ECB, and their annual revenues are much lower. If my calculation is correct, they receive around $3 million per year from the IPL, which is a significant amount. For the ECB, such amount may be small, but not "insignificant". In case of NZC and SLCB, I agree. A number of Kiwi pacers are now regulars with various IPL sides, so are the spinners from Sri Lanka. For these two boards (along with WICB and CSA), there is a lot of dependence on funds from the IPL.
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If I am not wrong, some of the BBL franchises are partly owned by Indians (but not by the IPL franchise owners). I agree that they don't have any involvement yet in BPL and PSL. But this can change. We have seen how fierce was the competition to get ownership to the two new franchises when the auction was announced. In the end Goenka and Citicorp won the bids, while Adani and Glazer failed in their attempt. Those who failed to win the franchises have two options - either they can invest in leagues outside India, or they can invest in state-level leagues such as the TNPL.
IPL owners do wanted to invest heavily in BBL but i guess CA didn't gave any permission, situation might change in near future if they head towards privatization. Atm BBL's teams are owned by CA and state bodies.
They also need to think about their own national players participation. Also the way IPL owners are investing everywhere i think some Indian players might start playing in other leagues too, may be not national contracted players but it's possible for un-capped talent.

But we all know that whenever India finds something very worthwhile, they want to make it private. They make everyone feel like that player or anything they are doing is premium stuff. So I don’t know if BCCI is preparing to allow Indian players to play in another league. But about ownership, I am quite confident that if the IPL owners are given permission they will also own teams from DBL. But so far, I don’t think that is going to happen.


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Yeah, i agree BCCI do consider their players as premium assets (more like cash cow). For business point of view i don't see anything wrong in it, actually quite amazing to see them tackling everything (even their fuckups) as far as i understand that's the only reason IPL gets the big fat checks. There is a reason IPL is worth more than All ICC tournaments + Major T-20 leagues put together. IPL is BCCI's brand so why would they risk their brand value by releasing their players.

For cricketing point of view yes it's very frustrating because local players (especially uncapped and retired) don't get to play in other leagues and gain valuable experience but BCCI is in this business for profits like every cricket board.

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There is some justification behind this move, as the BCCI plays 20% of the player's fee in the IPL as "foreign player release fee" to the respective national cricket board. This income is very significant for boards such as CA, ECB, CSA and WICB. However the other smaller boards such as BCB, SLCB and PCB loses out. And this is one of the reasons why the ICC wanted the foreign player release fee to be distributed evenly between the national boards. But the BCCI and the other members of the pig-4 were against the idea.
For ECB and CA these amounts are peanuts tbh.

For other boards its beneficial. NZC is also gets a big check from the BCCI cause lots of Kiwis are part of the IPL. SLCB also earned fair amount of money in last season as there were lots of SL players in the every IPL squads, guess more than 10 SL players, even net bowlers.  
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Here India wants to lead the world cricket and also they want to adopt some strategies that can help them unique. I think it's also a trick that they don't let any of their players play in any outside franchise. That's why they spend more money on the value of their players. But even if they permit that, franchise would have to pay their players more than others. Basically BCCI will not allow it in any way unless maximum profit is available for their players.

There is some justification behind this move, as the BCCI plays 20% of the player's fee in the IPL as "foreign player release fee" to the respective national cricket board. This income is very significant for boards such as CA, ECB, CSA and WICB. However the other smaller boards such as BCB, SLCB and PCB loses out. And this is one of the reasons why the ICC wanted the foreign player release fee to be distributed evenly between the national boards. But the BCCI and the other members of the pig-4 were against the idea.
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If I am not wrong, some of the BBL franchises are partly owned by Indians (but not by the IPL franchise owners). I agree that they don't have any involvement yet in BPL and PSL. But this can change. We have seen how fierce was the competition to get ownership to the two new franchises when the auction was announced. In the end Goenka and Citicorp won the bids, while Adani and Glazer failed in their attempt. Those who failed to win the franchises have two options - either they can invest in leagues outside India, or they can invest in state-level leagues such as the TNPL.
IPL owners do wanted to invest heavily in BBL but i guess CA didn't gave any permission, situation might change in near future if they head towards privatization. Atm BBL's teams are owned by CA and state bodies.
They also need to think about their own national players participation. Also the way IPL owners are investing everywhere i think some Indian players might start playing in other leagues too, may be not national contracted players but it's possible for un-capped talent.

But we all know that whenever India finds something very worthwhile, they want to make it private. They make everyone feel like that player or anything they are doing is premium stuff. So I don’t know if BCCI is preparing to allow Indian players to play in another league. But about ownership, I am quite confident that if the IPL owners are given permission they will also own teams from DBL. But so far, I don’t think that is going to happen.

Here India wants to lead the world cricket and also they want to adopt some strategies that can help them unique. I think it's also a trick that they don't let any of their players play in any outside franchise. That's why they spend more money on the value of their players. But even if they permit that, franchise would have to pay their players more than others. Basically BCCI will not allow it in any way unless maximum profit is available for their players.
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Ireland is a very unlucky team. They did not win a single match against New Zealand. But Ireland's performance was outstanding in almost every match. The main reason for their defeat is the inexperience of the bowlers. Although Ireland has some world-class batsmen, the performance of their bowlers is still very poor. If the bowlers could have performed a bit more consistently, Ireland could have won several matches in this series. Ireland was defeated in yesterday's match despite setting a big target of 175.

If their performance was truly outstanding, then they would have won matches. Losing the ODI series by 0-3, and then again losing the T20I series by 0-3 is not going to impress anyone. They are a test nation now. If they can't win matches against top teams, then it will be difficult for them to justify that position. When teams such as Scotland and Namibia are struggling to get funds from the ICC, how can Ireland stake claim to almost 10x funds just because they have been elevated as a test playing nation?
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Ireland is a very unlucky team. They did not win a single match against New Zealand. But Ireland's performance was outstanding in almost every match. The main reason for their defeat is the inexperience of the bowlers. Although Ireland has some world-class batsmen, the performance of their bowlers is still very poor. If the bowlers could have performed a bit more consistently, Ireland could have won several matches in this series. Ireland was defeated in yesterday's match despite setting a big target of 175.
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Most of the successful teams (take India and England as examples) have different squads for different formats. The problem with Bangladesh is that they stick to the same set of players, irrespective of the format. And this doesn't work either way. The players can't concentrate in any one format, and the team can't perform decently across the different versions. If they want to be successful in shorter variety, then they need to come up with players who specialize in that variety. And I don't think that they are lacking in talent.
If Bangladesh had players who could clear the boundary with ease, they would be in the team by now. The reason some of the teams are able to rotate players between formats is because of the bench strength they have so that they can give rest to the main players if they are playing weaker teams and Bangladesh does not have that luxury to rotate players between formats just yet.
I would not say that Bangladesh are bad as a team. They get very nervous on the field and it becomes very difficult for Bangladesh to decide what to do from which position.Especially in T20 game they can't understand anything in such a short time.That's why they are very weak in playing T20.Again, they are quite good for playing ODIs.And especially in the Bangladesh team, there is a lack of people who can lead now. There was a time when Mashrafe bin Mortaza was the leader, but the team was generally better.Anyway I would say Bangladesh team should be stronger and they should study a lot.
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Most of the successful teams (take India and England as examples) have different squads for different formats. The problem with Bangladesh is that they stick to the same set of players, irrespective of the format. And this doesn't work either way. The players can't concentrate in any one format, and the team can't perform decently across the different versions. If they want to be successful in shorter variety, then they need to come up with players who specialize in that variety. And I don't think that they are lacking in talent.
If Bangladesh had players who could clear the boundary with ease, they would be in the team by now. The reason some of the teams are able to rotate players between formats is because of the bench strength they have so that they can give rest to the main players if they are playing weaker teams and Bangladesh does not have that luxury to rotate players between formats just yet.
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I am not trying to say that Bangladesh is perfect for ODI, but they are certainly better in ODI compared to the test and T20 format.

There is a reason why Bangladesh is not as successful in T20 matches as it is in ODIs. This is because the Bangladesh team has quite a few performers who can play really consistently and also play under control in ODIs.

They have Shakib Al Hasan, Mushfiqur Rahim, and Tamim Iqbal on the team who are quite consistent, but they are more consistent in ODI instead of T20. And consistency is the problem for Bangladesh. Also not having good enough big hitters on the team is a problem when you are playing T20.

Most of the successful teams (take India and England as examples) have different squads for different formats. The problem with Bangladesh is that they stick to the same set of players, irrespective of the format. And this doesn't work either way. The players can't concentrate in any one format, and the team can't perform decently across the different versions. If they want to be successful in shorter variety, then they need to come up with players who specialize in that variety. And I don't think that they are lacking in talent.
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If I am not wrong, some of the BBL franchises are partly owned by Indians (but not by the IPL franchise owners). I agree that they don't have any involvement yet in BPL and PSL. But this can change. We have seen how fierce was the competition to get ownership to the two new franchises when the auction was announced. In the end Goenka and Citicorp won the bids, while Adani and Glazer failed in their attempt. Those who failed to win the franchises have two options - either they can invest in leagues outside India, or they can invest in state-level leagues such as the TNPL.
IPL owners do wanted to invest heavily in BBL but i guess CA didn't gave any permission, situation might change in near future if they head towards privatization. Atm BBL's teams are owned by CA and state bodies.
They also need to think about their own national players participation. Also the way IPL owners are investing everywhere i think some Indian players might start playing in other leagues too, may be not national contracted players but it's possible for un-capped talent.

But we all know that whenever India finds something very worthwhile, they want to make it private. They make everyone feel like that player or anything they are doing is premium stuff. So I don’t know if BCCI is preparing to allow Indian players to play in another league. But about ownership, I am quite confident that if the IPL owners are given permission they will also own teams from DBL. But so far, I don’t think that is going to happen.


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^^ Imo no team is weak in T-20 format, it's fast paced format and if you have 2-3 big hitters in the team then you can beat any team in your day.
Unfortunately that's what Bangladesh lack in this format. They have virtually no players who can clear the 80m boundaries continuously even when they are on song. You can't compete with others if that's the case unless pitch is slow af.
They have a few bowlers who are suited for T20 format such as Mustafizur Rahman and Shakib al Hasan. But as you mentioned, they don't have that many big hitters. And I am not sure about the reason.
BTW, anyone watching the New Zealand vs Ireland match? This is the last match of the series and the Kiwis need another win to complete their whitewash in Ireland. New Zealand needs another 70 runs from 7 overs, with 7 wickets in hand. Should be easily achievable unless one of the Irish bowlers come up with some miracle. Daryl Mitchell and Glenn Phillips at the crease.

I am not trying to say that Bangladesh is perfect for ODI, but they are certainly better in ODI compared to the test and T20 format.

There is a reason why Bangladesh is not as successful in T20 matches as it is in ODIs. This is because the Bangladesh team has quite a few performers who can play really consistently and also play under control in ODIs.

They have Shakib Al Hasan, Mushfiqur Rahim, and Tamim Iqbal on the team who are quite consistent, but they are more consistent in ODI instead of T20. And consistency is the problem for Bangladesh. Also not having good enough big hitters on the team is a problem when you are playing T20.
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