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Quote from: JSRAW on July 22, 2022, 11:27:13 AM

^^ Imo no team is weak in T-20 format, it's fast paced format and if you have 2-3 big hitters in the team then you can beat any team in your day.

Unfortunately that's what Bangladesh lack in this format. They have virtually no players who can clear the 80m boundaries continuously even when they are on song. You can't compete with others if that's the case unless pitch is slow af.

They have a few bowlers who are suited for T20 format such as Mustafizur Rahman and Shakib al Hasan. But as you mentioned, they don't have that many big hitters. And I am not sure about the reason.

BTW, anyone watching the New Zealand vs Ireland match? This is the last match of the series and the Kiwis need another win to complete their whitewash in Ireland. New Zealand needs another 70 runs from 7 overs, with 7 wickets in hand. Should be easily achievable unless one of the Irish bowlers come up with some miracle. Daryl Mitchell and Glenn Phillips at the crease.

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^^ Imo no team is weak in T-20 format, it's fast paced format and if you have 2-3 big hitters in the team then you can beat any team in your day.

Unfortunately that's what Bangladesh lack in this format. They have virtually no players who can clear the 80m boundaries continuously even when they are on song. You can't compete with others if that's the case unless pitch is slow af.

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on July 19, 2022, 01:18:10 PM

Having serious trouble in t20i and Test formats but doing amazing job in ODI is surely good from them, but they need to go on grassroots for all formats which will give them better results

A few days ago the enthusiasm of the cricketers that was seen in Bangladesh cricket is disappear. There is some kind of contradiction in the team which will hamper their cricket. They played well in ODIs against West Indies but as the T20 World Cup is around the corner, they should have a quick communication with everyone involved in the team.

Now we have less than three months, and they have no enough time for settling things in this short period, but they can manage for long run because things could be settled properly can give them some better results in future if they want to go ahead as better team in this era where too many associates looking for better place, and they are declined without any solid reason in this format.
As they are having franchise league which is helping many countries for having new and quality talented players they can produce as well but for this surely need better policy and coordination because without team management nothing is possible and without this all they have never been good and strong for this format which is having bright future instead of ODI.

I am quite sure that Bangladesh is not going to do very well in this T20 World Cup. T20 has never been one of the strong points of Bangladesh. They have always been better in the one-day international format compared to the T20 and test format. And one thing that causes problems for the Bangladesh team is that whenever a player is playing better in one format, the selectors seem to give him the chance in the other two formats quite quickly. And then, obviously, sometimes that player cannot perform as well in the other two formats. This also ends up hurting his form in that one format, which he was skilled. So that over-eagerness must be avoided. But that’s the problem for long-term selection and they don’t have enough time for that anyway.

Although Bangladesh are very weak for T20 and Test matches, they are perfect for ODIs and ODIs.If they can play well in T20 then they will gain more reputation One of the problems of Bangladesh in T20 is that they cannot survive on the field for a long time.They are very weak in T20 because of this rush.In the games we saw in New Zealand, there are many mistakes of Bangladesh in the T20 game.I think Bangladesh need to study more for T20.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 21, 2022, 09:42:06 PM

Quote from: wiss19 on July 21, 2022, 01:30:39 PM

For the better future of this game they need to work on franchise because now it's future but need some good system and rules which never hurt others with this they can go ahead like UEFA is going, and they are currently one of the best system with good fan base and too much money around them.

ICC is authority which can bring them on table for fair rules and better management because these things are very important even Indians are going to control few leagues around the world but still few countries are going to have things which will be not under their control and this can create conflict which could be never been healthy.

Right now BBL, Vitality Blast, BPL and PSL are having not Indian connections which mean they also need some better treatment from ICC for good future just IPL is having special treatment is never been fair.

If I am not wrong, some of the BBL franchises are partly owned by Indians (but not by the IPL franchise owners). I agree that they don't have any involvement yet in BPL and PSL. But this can change. We have seen how fierce was the competition to get ownership to the two new franchises when the auction was announced. In the end Goenka and Citicorp won the bids, while Adani and Glazer failed in their attempt. Those who failed to win the franchises have two options - either they can invest in leagues outside India, or they can invest in state-level leagues such as the TNPL.

IPL owners do wanted to invest heavily in BBL but i guess CA didn't gave any permission, situation might change in near future if they head towards privatization. Atm BBL's teams are owned by CA and state bodies.

They also need to think about their own national players participation. Also the way IPL owners are investing everywhere i think some Indian players might start playing in other leagues too, may be not national contracted players but it's possible for un-capped talent.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 21, 2022, 09:42:06 PM

Quote from: wiss19 on July 21, 2022, 01:30:39 PM

For the better future of this game they need to work on franchise because now it's future but need some good system and rules which never hurt others with this they can go ahead like UEFA is going, and they are currently one of the best system with good fan base and too much money around them.

ICC is authority which can bring them on table for fair rules and better management because these things are very important even Indians are going to control few leagues around the world but still few countries are going to have things which will be not under their control and this can create conflict which could be never been healthy.

Right now BBL, Vitality Blast, BPL and PSL are having not Indian connections which mean they also need some better treatment from ICC for good future just IPL is having special treatment is never been fair.

If I am not wrong, some of the BBL franchises are partly owned by Indians (but not by the IPL franchise owners). I agree that they don't have any involvement yet in BPL and PSL. But this can change. We have seen how fierce was the competition to get ownership to the two new franchises when the auction was announced. In the end Goenka and Citicorp won the bids, while Adani and Glazer failed in their attempt. Those who failed to win the franchises have two options - either they can invest in leagues outside India, or they can invest in state-level leagues such as the TNPL.

There is no future left for BBL unless Australian cricket board changes its policy. South African T20 league will start at the same time as BBL. All six teams in the South Aftrican T20 leagu have been purchase by IPL franchise. These franchises, I am sure will also promote and advertise this league in India. It would automatically become a bigger league than BBL.

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Quote from: wiss19 on July 21, 2022, 01:30:39 PM

For the better future of this game they need to work on franchise because now it's future but need some good system and rules which never hurt others with this they can go ahead like UEFA is going, and they are currently one of the best system with good fan base and too much money around them.

ICC is authority which can bring them on table for fair rules and better management because these things are very important even Indians are going to control few leagues around the world but still few countries are going to have things which will be not under their control and this can create conflict which could be never been healthy.

Right now BBL, Vitality Blast, BPL and PSL are having not Indian connections which mean they also need some better treatment from ICC for good future just IPL is having special treatment is never been fair.

If I am not wrong, some of the BBL franchises are partly owned by Indians (but not by the IPL franchise owners). I agree that they don't have any involvement yet in BPL and PSL. But this can change. We have seen how fierce was the competition to get ownership to the two new franchises when the auction was announced. In the end Goenka and Citicorp won the bids, while Adani and Glazer failed in their attempt. Those who failed to win the franchises have two options - either they can invest in leagues outside India, or they can invest in state-level leagues such as the TNPL.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on July 19, 2022, 10:31:49 PM

I feel that it’s a step in the right direction, because he hasn’t played T20 since March 2020 for Bangladesh and now the team can prepare accordingly as the speculation regarding his involvement in the T20 format has ended. Furthermore the only regret I have is why didn’t he wait for the T20 World Cup because he could have easily participated in it, but in the end I feel that this is a gutsy call choosing ODI & Test matches over T20.

If a player feels that he should retire from a format I think it is the right decision. Because if the player does not get the confidence then good output cannot be expected there. Since Tamim will be playing ODI and Test matches I think he has more chances to do well those format. As we know that Ben Stokes he also retire form ODI is 31 years. So it is basically depend on that particular player what he wants to do.

Oh yes I have heard the news as well.
We don't know what is going on someone else's life so we must appreciate and respect other decisions as well.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 21, 2022, 05:41:46 AM

Only bilateral series is happening now. Triangular and quadrangular series have all but died out. There is no room available in the packed international calendar to schedule multi-nation tournaments apart from ICC trophies. The IPL franchises on the other hand are not contended with the two and half month window available for them and want to expand outside the Indian market so that they can continue playing all through the year. But when the same set of owners take ownership of multiple franchises, there needs to be some overlap in players, so that the fans will continue to support all of their teams. Right now, there is no such overlap. For example, KKR in IPL and Trininbago Knight Riders in CPL are having same set of owners. But there is hardly any player who feature in both the teams.

For the better future of this game they need to work on franchise because now it's future but need some good system and rules which never hurt others with this they can go ahead like UEFA is going, and they are currently one of the best system with good fan base and too much money around them.

ICC is authority which can bring them on table for fair rules and better management because these things are very important even Indians are going to control few leagues around the world but still few countries are going to have things which will be not under their control and this can create conflict which could be never been healthy.

Right now BBL, Vitality Blast, BPL and PSL are having not Indian connections which mean they also need some better treatment from ICC for good future just IPL is having special treatment is never been fair.

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Quote from: JSRAW on July 21, 2022, 08:23:17 AM

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Quote from: JSRAW on July 21, 2022, 04:02:17 AM

~snip~
Yeah this space is going to change drastically but after 4-5 years during next IPL media rights deal.

The way these franchises are expanding their footprints it seems they will now compete with each other for fixed 4-5 months every year and seriously trying to tap every new market.

Still it will take a long time for other franchise cricket to compete with IPL. Bilateral and trilateral series are already being less frequent. I reckon they will completely end in a few years time. Only ICC trophies will happen for different formats of cricket. This is what has been happening in football for a long time now the same will happen in cricket too.

I didn't mean to indicate that these new tournaments will compete with IPL. I was pointing fingers only towards Franchise such as MI, CSK, DC etc as these guys taking positions in every new league cricket so technically play each other for 4-5 months, starting with CPL, South African, Uae and then in IPL itself.

There is no competition for IPL as it is already miles ahead.

Yes, every cricketing league right now is far away from the IPL league. For now more efforts have been taken from different organising countries to make cricket more popular. At some point this franchise based cricket will serve as a problem for the ODI and test cricket. In coming days we can see schedules being adjusted against the leagues and not on the bilateral series.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on July 21, 2022, 04:46:09 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on July 21, 2022, 04:02:17 AM

~snip~
Yeah this space is going to change drastically but after 4-5 years during next IPL media rights deal.

The way these franchises are expanding their footprints it seems they will now compete with each other for fixed 4-5 months every year and seriously trying to tap every new market.

Still it will take a long time for other franchise cricket to compete with IPL. Bilateral and trilateral series are already being less frequent. I reckon they will completely end in a few years time. Only ICC trophies will happen for different formats of cricket. This is what has been happening in football for a long time now the same will happen in cricket too.

I didn't mean to indicate that these new tournaments will compete with IPL. I was pointing fingers only towards Franchise such as MI, CSK, DC etc as these guys taking positions in every new league cricket so technically play each other for 4-5 months, starting with CPL, South African, Uae and then in IPL itself.

There is no competition for IPL as it is already miles ahead.

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Quote from: JSRAW on July 21, 2022, 04:02:17 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on July 20, 2022, 09:50:13 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on July 20, 2022, 09:13:03 AM

Hmm this is interesting. I guess this is clear indication where are we going in a long run in terms of bilateral cricket.
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https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/123154/cricket-south-africa-graeme-smith-confirm-ipl-sweep-of-t20-league-ownership

Writing on the wall is clear. Franchise cricket will take preference over international cricket and then Indian firms will dominate the franchise sector around the world (especially in countries outside the pig-4). It is not just with the upcoming T20 league in South Africa. A number of franchises in CPL, MLC and UAE T20 league are directly owned by the IPL franchises. And I believe that this will be beneficial for cricket. Similar to football, cricket also need to move to a structure that is dominated by the clubs rather than national boards.

Yeah this space is going to change drastically but after 4-5 years during next IPL media rights deal.

The way these franchises are expanding their footprints it seems they will now compete with each other for fixed 4-5 months every year and seriously trying to tap every new market.

In terms of popularity, franchise based cricket will be established very soon and India is only worthy to dominate the cricket world. Many of us assume that India already is taking such of preparations. Just look at the football clubs where every clubs are benefited and dominate the whole world. If we think as same as in cricket then it will certainly bring good news for cricket. I have a concern in this case, Will there be any existence of ICC?

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on July 21, 2022, 04:46:09 AM

Still it will take a long time for other franchise cricket to compete with IPL. Bilateral and trilateral series are already being less frequent. I reckon they will completely end in a few years time. Only ICC trophies will happen for different formats of cricket. This is what has been happening in football for a long time now the same will happen in cricket too.

Only bilateral series is happening now. Triangular and quadrangular series have all but died out. There is no room available in the packed international calendar to schedule multi-nation tournaments apart from ICC trophies. The IPL franchises on the other hand are not contended with the two and half month window available for them and want to expand outside the Indian market so that they can continue playing all through the year. But when the same set of owners take ownership of multiple franchises, there needs to be some overlap in players, so that the fans will continue to support all of their teams. Right now, there is no such overlap. For example, KKR in IPL and Trininbago Knight Riders in CPL are having same set of owners. But there is hardly any player who feature in both the teams.

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Quote from: JSRAW on July 21, 2022, 04:02:17 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on July 20, 2022, 09:50:13 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on July 20, 2022, 09:13:03 AM

Hmm this is interesting. I guess this is clear indication where are we going in a long run in terms of bilateral cricket.
~~~
https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/123154/cricket-south-africa-graeme-smith-confirm-ipl-sweep-of-t20-league-ownership

Writing on the wall is clear. Franchise cricket will take preference over international cricket and then Indian firms will dominate the franchise sector around the world (especially in countries outside the pig-4). It is not just with the upcoming T20 league in South Africa. A number of franchises in CPL, MLC and UAE T20 league are directly owned by the IPL franchises. And I believe that this will be beneficial for cricket. Similar to football, cricket also need to move to a structure that is dominated by the clubs rather than national boards.

Yeah this space is going to change drastically but after 4-5 years during next IPL media rights deal.

The way these franchises are expanding their footprints it seems they will now compete with each other for fixed 4-5 months every year and seriously trying to tap every new market.

Still it will take a long time for other franchise cricket to compete with IPL. Bilateral and trilateral series are already being less frequent. I reckon they will completely end in a few years time. Only ICC trophies will happen for different formats of cricket. This is what has been happening in football for a long time now the same will happen in cricket too.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 20, 2022, 09:50:13 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on July 20, 2022, 09:13:03 AM

Hmm this is interesting. I guess this is clear indication where are we going in a long run in terms of bilateral cricket.
~~~
https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/123154/cricket-south-africa-graeme-smith-confirm-ipl-sweep-of-t20-league-ownership

Writing on the wall is clear. Franchise cricket will take preference over international cricket and then Indian firms will dominate the franchise sector around the world (especially in countries outside the pig-4). It is not just with the upcoming T20 league in South Africa. A number of franchises in CPL, MLC and UAE T20 league are directly owned by the IPL franchises. And I believe that this will be beneficial for cricket. Similar to football, cricket also need to move to a structure that is dominated by the clubs rather than national boards.

Yeah this space is going to change drastically but after 4-5 years during next IPL media rights deal.

The way these franchises are expanding their footprints it seems they will now compete with each other for fixed 4-5 months every year and seriously trying to tap every new market.

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Quote from: JSRAW on July 20, 2022, 09:13:03 AM

Hmm this is interesting. I guess this is clear indication where are we going in a long run in terms of bilateral cricket.
~~~
https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/123154/cricket-south-africa-graeme-smith-confirm-ipl-sweep-of-t20-league-ownership

Writing on the wall is clear. Franchise cricket will take preference over international cricket and then Indian firms will dominate the franchise sector around the world (especially in countries outside the pig-4). It is not just with the upcoming T20 league in South Africa. A number of franchises in CPL, MLC and UAE T20 league are directly owned by the IPL franchises. And I believe that this will be beneficial for cricket. Similar to football, cricket also need to move to a structure that is dominated by the clubs rather than national boards.

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Quote from: BobK71 on July 20, 2022, 01:10:02 PM

Quote from: Juggy777 on July 19, 2022, 10:31:49 PM

I feel that it’s a step in the right direction, because he hasn’t played T20 since March 2020 for Bangladesh and now the team can prepare accordingly as the speculation regarding his involvement in the T20 format has ended. Furthermore the only regret I have is why didn’t he wait for the T20 World Cup because he could have easily participated in it, but in the end I feel that this is a gutsy call choosing ODI & Test matches over T20.

If a player feels that he should retire from a format I think it is the right decision. Because if the player does not get the confidence then good output cannot be expected there. Since Tamim will be playing ODI and Test matches I think he has more chances to do well those format. As we know that Ben Stokes he also retire form ODI is 31 years. So it is basically depend on that particular player what he wants to do.

Right now game load is having some serious impact on player's performance because too many matches with franchise league and other domestic leagues are creating serious injuries and other problems with this all if any player is feeling stress he needs to have cut short of any format which is having not good impact on his performance with recently we have Tamim and Stokes doing good things.

Because, this can bring some better authority on their game with we already have from Stuart Broad and James Andersson they are playing only test matches which are giving them less stress, and they are giving the best performance specially Andersson at the age of 40 is super fit sports person for me this is good example for many others those want to stay here for long time without any load which can hurt their career and performance.

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Quote from: wiss19 on July 20, 2022, 09:32:26 AM

Quote from: BobK71 on July 19, 2022, 01:29:57 PM

Quote from: TheGreatPython on July 19, 2022, 01:18:10 PM

Having serious trouble in t20i and Test formats but doing amazing job in ODI is surely good from them, but they need to go on grassroots for all formats which will give them better results

A few days ago the enthusiasm of the cricketers that was seen in Bangladesh cricket is disappear. There is some kind of contradiction in the team which will hamper their cricket. They played well in ODIs against West Indies but as the T20 World Cup is around the corner, they should have a quick communication with everyone involved in the team.

Now we have less than three months, and they have no enough time for settling things in this short period, but they can manage for long run because things could be settled properly can give them some better results in future if they want to go ahead as better team in this era where too many associates looking for better place, and they are declined without any solid reason in this format.
As they are having franchise league which is helping many countries for having new and quality talented players they can produce as well but for this surely need better policy and coordination because without team management nothing is possible and without this all they have never been good and strong for this format which is having bright future instead of ODI.

I am quite sure that Bangladesh is not going to do very well in this T20 World Cup. T20 has never been one of the strong points of Bangladesh. They have always been better in the one-day international format compared to the T20 and test format. And one thing that causes problems for the Bangladesh team is that whenever a player is playing better in one format, the selectors seem to give him the chance in the other two formats quite quickly. And then, obviously, sometimes that player cannot perform as well in the other two formats. This also ends up hurting his form in that one format, which he was skilled. So that over-eagerness must be avoided. But that’s the problem for long-term selection and they don’t have enough time for that anyway.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on July 19, 2022, 10:31:49 PM

I feel that it’s a step in the right direction, because he hasn’t played T20 since March 2020 for Bangladesh and now the team can prepare accordingly as the speculation regarding his involvement in the T20 format has ended. Furthermore the only regret I have is why didn’t he wait for the T20 World Cup because he could have easily participated in it, but in the end I feel that this is a gutsy call choosing ODI & Test matches over T20.

If a player feels that he should retire from a format I think it is the right decision. Because if the player does not get the confidence then good output cannot be expected there. Since Tamim will be playing ODI and Test matches I think he has more chances to do well those format. As we know that Ben Stokes he also retire form ODI is 31 years. So it is basically depend on that particular player what he wants to do.

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Quote from: BobK71 on July 19, 2022, 01:29:57 PM

Quote from: TheGreatPython on July 19, 2022, 01:18:10 PM

Having serious trouble in t20i and Test formats but doing amazing job in ODI is surely good from them, but they need to go on grassroots for all formats which will give them better results

A few days ago the enthusiasm of the cricketers that was seen in Bangladesh cricket is disappear. There is some kind of contradiction in the team which will hamper their cricket. They played well in ODIs against West Indies but as the T20 World Cup is around the corner, they should have a quick communication with everyone involved in the team.

Now we have less than three months, and they have no enough time for settling things in this short period, but they can manage for long run because things could be settled properly can give them some better results in future if they want to go ahead as better team in this era where too many associates looking for better place, and they are declined without any solid reason in this format.

As they are having franchise league which is helping many countries for having new and quality talented players they can produce as well but for this surely need better policy and coordination because without team management nothing is possible and without this all they have never been good and strong for this format which is having bright future instead of ODI.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on July 19, 2022, 05:04:12 AM

You are right. If we consider only the ODI format, then it can be said that Bangladesh is a strong team. And Bangladeshi players are consistently performing well in the ODI format now. And so Bangladesh can reach the semi-finals in the 2023 World Cup, if they can continue this streak. And I would say Tamim's decision is right. If he concentrates completely on the 50-over matches, we will get better performance from him in the World Cup.

The world cup will be hosted by India in around one year from now and Bangladesh needs to focus on that. Ever since they got the test status in 1999, they have never managed to win any of the ICC tournaments. This time it is a good opportunity, given their performances so far in the ODI Super League. At this point, they have the right mix of experience and talent, while some of the other teams are in the rebuilding phase. Rather than targeting for the semi-finals, they should actually target winning the trophy next year.

Their bowlers are generally good on slow wickets or when it assist the spinners, that can't be said about seamers may be except Mustafizur Rahman. Indian wickets should suit their brand of cricket, just hope Shakib also show up with the bat.

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Hmm this is interesting. I guess this is clear indication where are we going in a long run in terms of bilateral cricket.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/123154/cricket-south-africa-graeme-smith-confirm-ipl-sweep-of-t20-league-ownership

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