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Quote from: JSRAW on June 26, 2022, 02:48:54 AM

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Regarding about your other argument. They are free to schedule their bilateral cricket during this 2.5 month window, no one stopping them to.

Well... that's what they should do. And I have a feeling that PCB is underestimating their own financial clout. Pakistan is a country of 225 million cricket crazy people. The market there is much larger than that of other countries such as Bangladesh, Australia or Sri Lanka. On top of that, there is are large Pakistani diasporas in the Middle-East, Europe and North America. They should try to expand the PSL, by adding more teams from UAE, Bangladesh, Nepal and Afghanistan. Right now the PSL features 6 teams. Why can't they expand it to 10? One team each from the above mentioned countries would make PSL much more popular and in the long term they maybe able to give a stiff challenge to the IPL.

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PCB has every right to raise this issue, why should they stop playing international cricket during IPL? Props to PCB and Rambo as they are just trying to secure their cricket board's interest, that's their main job but at the same time BCCI is also entitled to secure their product.

I have been saying this for some time. PCB will stop complaining if the foreign player release fee goes to the ICC instead of national cricket boards. Right now Pakistan and most of the smaller boards are not benefitting from the IPL, because this fee is pocketed by a handful of boards such as CA, CSA, ECB and WICB. For boards such as PCB and BCB, there is only monetary loss from this league. So their argument is also true. If the BCCI wants the ICC to keep three months every year blocked for the IPL, then the ICC needs to be compensated for it.

2.5 months, not 3 months. Although in next cycle i do see possibility of IPL expanding but not in this cycle as it's fixed for 4-5 years due to contract, that means no more additional teams, matches and timeline.

I hardly find any merit on this notion that ICC should get any sort of compensation because IPL affecting only bilateral cricket not ICC tournaments, these are 2 different things.

ICC have nothing to do with the bilateral cricket as they don't earn single penny from it, all they care about ICC tournament every year, which they got already. Their intentions are clearly visible, just look at the upcoming ICC media rights auction. They saw what happened in recent IPL auction and they are also following more or less same path to get big bucks ; separate auction for tv, digital and region rights but here is a kicker there is zero transparency and last i heard virtually no broadcaster is happy about it.

Regarding about your other argument. They are free to schedule their bilateral cricket during this 2.5 month window, no one stopping them to.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 25, 2022, 09:57:46 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on June 25, 2022, 04:06:16 PM

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PCB has every right to raise this issue, why should they stop playing international cricket during IPL? Props to PCB and Rambo as they are just trying to secure their cricket board's interest, that's their main job but at the same time BCCI is also entitled to secure their product.

I have been saying this for some time. PCB will stop complaining if the foreign player release fee goes to the ICC instead of national cricket boards. Right now Pakistan and most of the smaller boards are not benefitting from the IPL, because this fee is pocketed by a handful of boards such as CA, CSA, ECB and WICB. For boards such as PCB and BCB, there is only monetary loss from this league. So their argument is also true. If the BCCI wants the ICC to keep three months every year blocked for the IPL, then the ICC needs to be compensated for it.

PCB players do not take part in the IPL. So you are suggesting that if BCCI can give money to the PCB (which they will distribute among the players too), the PCB and other small boards will not protest on the duration of the IPL?

This means that PCB players will get free money without playing or doing anything while the rest of the world will have to earn the money. Would this be fair?

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 25, 2022, 04:06:16 PM

PCB has every right to raise this issue, why should they stop playing international cricket during IPL? Props to PCB and Rambo as they are just trying to secure their cricket board's interest, that's their main job but at the same time BCCI is also entitled to secure their product.

Do you think that BCCI product IPL is not secured and still they need to block it for 3 months? If this is how it works, I suggest extending the tournament for full 12 months

Remember the lengthier the tournament, people will lose interest.

Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 25, 2022, 11:22:51 PM

ICC does not have any governance on domestic cricket therefore ICC cannot ask for any money from BCCI. Other boards can still schedule their international matches when IPL is played but the question is that will those players play for their country or will they play for the franchise. Let the players decide.

Most of the players run after the money and they do not care for the country even though it's their country that brought them to this level.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 25, 2022, 09:57:46 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on June 25, 2022, 04:06:16 PM

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PCB has every right to raise this issue, why should they stop playing international cricket during IPL? Props to PCB and Rambo as they are just trying to secure their cricket board's interest, that's their main job but at the same time BCCI is also entitled to secure their product.

I have been saying this for some time. PCB will stop complaining if the foreign player release fee goes to the ICC instead of national cricket boards. Right now Pakistan and most of the smaller boards are not benefitting from the IPL, because this fee is pocketed by a handful of boards such as CA, CSA, ECB and WICB. For boards such as PCB and BCB, there is only monetary loss from this league. So their argument is also true. If the BCCI wants the ICC to keep three months every year blocked for the IPL, then the ICC needs to be compensated for it.

ICC does not have any governance on domestic cricket therefore ICC cannot ask for any money from BCCI. Other boards can still schedule their international matches when IPL is played but the question is that will those players play for their country or will they play for the franchise. Let the players decide.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 25, 2022, 04:06:16 PM

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PCB has every right to raise this issue, why should they stop playing international cricket during IPL? Props to PCB and Rambo as they are just trying to secure their cricket board's interest, that's their main job but at the same time BCCI is also entitled to secure their product.

I have been saying this for some time. PCB will stop complaining if the foreign player release fee goes to the ICC instead of national cricket boards. Right now Pakistan and most of the smaller boards are not benefitting from the IPL, because this fee is pocketed by a handful of boards such as CA, CSA, ECB and WICB. For boards such as PCB and BCB, there is only monetary loss from this league. So their argument is also true. If the BCCI wants the ICC to keep three months every year blocked for the IPL, then the ICC needs to be compensated for it.

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For ex : Every team should face serious repercussion if they are not bowling their quota with in limited time, T-20 was supposed to be a 3 hours affair(including breaks) but now it goes for like 4 hours.

Honestly, in a game like a cricket time cannot be exact. There are a lot of thoughts always going on in the mind of both the batting team and also the bowling team. And most bowlers are always fond of taking their time.

So, the restriction of time is not something that goes hand in hand with cricket. I actually think even in t10 format if it is supposed to be finished in 2 hours. I think it is going to take longer.

I don't think t-10 is going to require a lot of skills at all. And that is going to encourage a lot of countries to at least tryout cricket and see if it works out or not. Innovation is always the way to go and I also think t10 can be a breakthrough for the popularity of cricket. But probably now was not the right time.

I partially agree with your point but because of this very reason T-20 was invented in the first place as ODI goes for 8 hours. It's not format's fault that teams are taking unnecessary tactical breaks and deliberately wasting time during death overs, broadcaster also love this as it gives them extra time slot for the ads.

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PCB to challenge IPL's proposed extended window at next ICC meet

PCB has every right to raise this issue, why should they stop playing international cricket during IPL? Props to PCB and Rambo as they are just trying to secure their cricket board's interest, that's their main job but at the same time BCCI is also entitled to secure their product.

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on June 25, 2022, 01:24:11 PM

In recent IPL, there were one game per day except few exceptions. 2022 IPL was stretched too much because only one game was held per day. Now IPL is extending his duration further and PCB is only board that have some issue with this. Reason is obvious, PCB players are not part of IPL and for PCB its a time when they have to sit idle and do nothing.

PCB to challenge IPL's proposed extended window at next ICC meet

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 25, 2022, 05:03:27 AM

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Although the T10 cricket format is a very short form of cricket , I did not find much attraction here. I think T20 format is better for short form of cricket and this format doesn't attract young people at the moment. Over all T20 is the best.

T20 cricket is almost two decades old and now without any argument it is the most popular format of cricket around the world. But during the past couple of years, I have seen T10 leagues mushrooming across the globe, especially in the GCC nations as well as in West Indies (Abu Dhabi T10 is perhaps the most popular T10 league at the moment). There is so much shortage of time available for recreational activity in the world right now. So it is understandable that the sports events are getting shorter and shorter. And this trend is likely to continue in the future as well.

Cricket is now going to have some impact with their formats drastically because we were in test format for nearly one century, and then we have ODI format from this we spend nearly 30 years, and we have another T-20 but after this now we have only very few years talk is going about T-10 which is going to be revolutionary for this game and bringing too much money in very short time for many big players because with this we will be able to have some good action and with this media and fans are going to enjoy which will bring more interest and better viewership.

Now ball is in management's hand how they handle this because if they change this in quick way with have mind that this can bring strong case for entry in Olympics and big market specially in South America and Europe.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 25, 2022, 05:03:27 AM

Quote from: GigaBit on June 25, 2022, 12:15:40 AM

Although the T10 cricket format is a very short form of cricket , I did not find much attraction here. I think T20 format is better for short form of cricket and this format doesn't attract young people at the moment. Over all T20 is the best.

T20 cricket is almost two decades old and now without any argument it is the most popular format of cricket around the world. But during the past couple of years, I have seen T10 leagues mushrooming across the globe, especially in the GCC nations as well as in West Indies (Abu Dhabi T10 is perhaps the most popular T10 league at the moment). There is so much shortage of time available for recreational activity in the world right now. So it is understandable that the sports events are getting shorter and shorter. And this trend is likely to continue in the future as well.

T10 format can be a very interesting one but the problem is if the t10 format is going to be played without any reduction of total wickets, the batting team is not going to have any fear in their mind and they are going to attack every bowler regardless of their skill.

I want to ask if you think a lot of runs are going to be scored. But what I have heard is that t10 is going to be played with only 6 wickets. I think that is a good decision if it actually happens. In a 10-over format of cricket, there is no point in having 10 wickets. You can basically just play baseball.

But I think in the starting the power play and the surprise free hit (or whatever the hell it is called) are going to be a little confusing to people just like the DRS system was confusing at first.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 25, 2022, 11:02:34 AM

There is an alternative way to increase the number of matches. Currently, we have one or two matches in a day. This can be increased to three matches a day if the first match can be played in the morning, then the 2nd match in the afternoon and the 3rd match in the evening. Even we have have more then three matches a day if the IPL can be played in different stadiums at the same time. So this is no excuse to extend the duration of the IPL only because they need to increase the number of matches.

In recent IPL, there were one game per day except few exceptions. 2022 IPL was stretched too much because only one game was held per day. Now IPL is extending his duration further and PCB is only board that have some issue with this. Reason is obvious, PCB players are not part of IPL and for PCB its a time when they have to sit idle and do nothing.

PCB to challenge IPL's proposed extended window at next ICC meet

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Pakistan has always been the favorite team for t20 cricket. Because they have mastered a lot of this World Ober game. They are currently in a much better position in the 20-over game. Just as the team has world-class Batman, so does the world-class team. All in all, Pakistan is one of the best teams in 20 overs.

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Already the reputation of cricket is under threat from a large number of match fixing scandal. Innovations such as this one would make the situation even worse. Within the IPL, two of the franchises were suspended for their role in match fixing a few years ago. The owners were directly fixing matches and yet these franchises were allowed back in to the league after a couple of years. On top of that, I am not a big fan of T10. It horrifies me. But if the youngsters want it, then T10 may become the face of cricket in less than a decade.

And it's going to remain the same, no matter what. I'm afraid to say but it's part of ecosystem.

IMO innovation is part of the process and i'm sure almost every average fan has played some sort of format in their own life, most probably t-10.

T-10 becoming big thing in future might be a possibility but imo if T-20 want to counter new formats then it should check some list for the viewers.

For ex : Every team should face serious repercussion if they are not bowling their quota with in limited time, T-20 was supposed to be a 3 hours affair(including breaks) but now it goes for like 4 hours.

Honestly, in a game like a cricket time cannot be exact. There are a lot of thoughts always going on in the mind of both the batting team and also the bowling team. And most bowlers are always fond of taking their time.

So, the restriction of time is not something that goes hand in hand with cricket. I actually think even in t10 format if it is supposed to be finished in 2 hours. I think it is going to take longer.

I don't think t-10 is going to require a lot of skills at all. And that is going to encourage a lot of countries to at least tryout cricket and see if it works out or not. Innovation is always the way to go and I also think t10 can be a breakthrough for the popularity of cricket. But probably now was not the right time.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 23, 2022, 01:47:16 AM

They are planning to increase IPL duration and by June the monsoon does reach Maharashtra so it will in their best interest.

How can they increase the duration of IPL which is already around 50 odd days? Now they want this IPL to be extended for 2.5 months? Please give them a suggestion that they could extend this duration to 12 months and we don't need any other tournament to be played. Angry

Pakistan has already raised its voice against it as PCB to challenge IPL's proposed extended window at next ICC meet. You cannot block international cricket for one full quarter of the year because you need to generate more revenue through IPL.

There was a news in about increasing the number of matches in the mainstream media. It will be done in a phased manner but how they will accomodate those matches has not been disclosed yet. You can read this news article. It has been explained in detailed. I am not sure if an objection from a single board will stop BCCI.

There is an alternative way to increase the number of matches. Currently, we have one or two matches in a day. This can be increased to three matches a day if the first match can be played in the morning, then the 2nd match in the afternoon and the 3rd match in the evening. Even we have have more then three matches a day if the IPL can be played in different stadiums at the same time. So this is no excuse to extend the duration of the IPL only because they need to increase the number of matches.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 24, 2022, 10:39:28 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on June 24, 2022, 01:18:51 AM

I guess these technicalities will come mainly from Broadcaster but it's correct that BCCI won't able to move anything on this for next 4-5 years.

Punters are going to love this "Mystery free hit"

Already the reputation of cricket is under threat from a large number of match fixing scandal. Innovations such as this one would make the situation even worse. Within the IPL, two of the franchises were suspended for their role in match fixing a few years ago. The owners were directly fixing matches and yet these franchises were allowed back in to the league after a couple of years. On top of that, I am not a big fan of T10. It horrifies me. But if the youngsters want it, then T10 may become the face of cricket in less than a decade.

And it's going to remain the same, no matter what. I'm afraid to say but it's part of ecosystem.

IMO innovation is part of the process and i'm sure almost every average fan has played some sort of format in their own life, most probably t-10.

T-10 becoming big thing in future might be a possibility but imo if T-20 want to counter new formats then it should check some list for the viewers.

For ex : Every team should face serious repercussion if they are not bowling their quota with in limited time, T-20 was supposed to be a 3 hours affair(including breaks) but now it goes for like 4 hours.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 25, 2022, 02:20:33 AM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 23, 2022, 01:47:16 AM

They are planning to increase IPL duration and by June the monsoon does reach Maharashtra so it will in their best interest.

How can they increase the duration of IPL which is already around 50 odd days? Now they want this IPL to be extended for 2.5 months? Please give them a suggestion that they could extend this duration to 12 months and we don't need any other tournament to be played. Angry

Pakistan has already raised its voice against it as PCB to challenge IPL's proposed extended window at next ICC meet. You cannot block international cricket for one full quarter of the year because you need to generate more revenue through IPL.

PSL managed to keep the interest of the viewers alive. But IPL _gosh- it was so long and there were so many teams on board.
What has gone wrong to BCCI - such a long tournament. I am sure there are so many other factor involved as well in IPL apart from cricket only.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 25, 2022, 02:20:33 AM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 23, 2022, 01:47:16 AM

They are planning to increase IPL duration and by June the monsoon does reach Maharashtra so it will in their best interest.

How can they increase the duration of IPL which is already around 50 odd days? Now they want this IPL to be extended for 2.5 months? Please give them a suggestion that they could extend this duration to 12 months and we don't need any other tournament to be played. Angry

Pakistan has already raised its voice against it as PCB to challenge IPL's proposed extended window at next ICC meet. You cannot block international cricket for one full quarter of the year because you need to generate more revenue through IPL.

Undoubtedly, India is controlling the entire cricket world. Now IPL has become a popular cricket event. On the other hand, many are forgetting about international cricket. In this situation, if the IPL time is extended, there will be an instability in the entire cricket field because every league has a schedule and there is international cricket. There are Test matches, ODIs and T20s. So, it would be very difficult to extend the time duration.

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Quote from: GigaBit on June 25, 2022, 12:15:40 AM

Although the T10 cricket format is a very short form of cricket , I did not find much attraction here. I think T20 format is better for short form of cricket and this format doesn't attract young people at the moment. Over all T20 is the best.

T20 cricket is almost two decades old and now without any argument it is the most popular format of cricket around the world. But during the past couple of years, I have seen T10 leagues mushrooming across the globe, especially in the GCC nations as well as in West Indies (Abu Dhabi T10 is perhaps the most popular T10 league at the moment). There is so much shortage of time available for recreational activity in the world right now. So it is understandable that the sports events are getting shorter and shorter. And this trend is likely to continue in the future as well.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 25, 2022, 02:20:33 AM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 23, 2022, 01:47:16 AM

They are planning to increase IPL duration and by June the monsoon does reach Maharashtra so it will in their best interest.

How can they increase the duration of IPL which is already around 50 odd days? Now they want this IPL to be extended for 2.5 months? Please give them a suggestion that they could extend this duration to 12 months and we don't need any other tournament to be played. Angry

Pakistan has already raised its voice against it as PCB to challenge IPL's proposed extended window at next ICC meet. You cannot block international cricket for one full quarter of the year because you need to generate more revenue through IPL.

There was a news in about increasing the number of matches in the mainstream media. It will be done in a phased manner but how they will accomodate those matches has not been disclosed yet. You can read this news article. It has been explained in detailed. I am not sure if an objection from a single board will stop BCCI.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 23, 2022, 01:47:16 AM

They are planning to increase IPL duration and by June the monsoon does reach Maharashtra so it will in their best interest.

How can they increase the duration of IPL which is already around 50 odd days? Now they want this IPL to be extended for 2.5 months? Please give them a suggestion that they could extend this duration to 12 months and we don't need any other tournament to be played. Angry

Pakistan has already raised its voice against it as PCB to challenge IPL's proposed extended window at next ICC meet. You cannot block international cricket for one full quarter of the year because you need to generate more revenue through IPL.

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