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Quote from: JSRAW on June 18, 2022, 12:46:50 AM

Completely opposite point of view. Bowlers are important part but T-20 is a format for the batters. In this format we can't expect bowlers to bail out team every time.

Lower strike rates are directly connected to batter wasting opportunity to score runs, not the other way around. If Career SR is hanging around 130-132 then it's understandable because sometime you click, sometime you don't but if your match SR is going down from that mark then it's bad for the team.

I disagree. Batters are more important in the T-20 format surely, but bowlers are also very important. There is no point in scoring 200+ scores in 20 overs if your bowlers bowl like crap.

Strike rate is definitely not everything and the recent matches between India and Pakistan basically proved that. Asking batsmen to score like crazy puts more pressure on them which screws their natural game.

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The last match of the T20 series between India and Southafrica will be played today. So far both team have won 2 matches each. Toss will again play a crucial part in this match too. The match is being played in Bengaluru and hopefully as always the pitch would be good for batting. I only fear that rain might interrupt the match as monsoon has already started in south india.

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Quote from: Minecache on June 18, 2022, 09:53:28 AM

BCCI's plan is long-term. Dinesh Karthik is now over 37 years old. He will be able to stay with the team for a maximum of 2 years. Rishab Pant may not be in good form now. But from now on, if BCCI cannot make Rishab Pant suitable for the Indian team, then the Indian team will be short of experienced players in the future. India has a lot of talented players. But there are very few experienced players. And so RIshab Pant played poorly in a few matches but BCCI is giving him ample opportunity to get back in form.

Agreed. But then, the BCCI need to look beyond Rishabh Pant. IMO, Rishabh has been given too many opportunities, and that is not fair to some of the other younger players. I am not just talking about Sanju Samson and Ishan Kishan (the latter is more or less a permanent part of the T20 squad now), but about some of the other keeper-batsmen such as K.S. Bharat, Anuj Rawat and Jitesh Sharma. I am not going to push too hard for Samson, because he has also wasted a lot of chances so far. And there was some controversy regarding his selection policy for the RR.

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Quote from: minairia3 on June 18, 2022, 06:44:41 PM

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India played really well and especially Dinesh Karthik had a really good time with the bat in this match. I don't think India has done anything absolutely incredible in the batting but I believe they have done really well in the bowling lineup. It is true that South Africa was a little unlucky because their captain got injured and had to leave the field. That obviously gave India a little advantage over south Africa. Hardik Pandya also played really well for India. Now they have leveled it to 2-2. It's going to be a very interesting final match of the t20 series.

Dinesh Karthik is surely doing an amazing job and now it's time for Selectors to reward him for his performance in recent matches which could be good for this skilled player who is serving for a long time in this Indian team.

With the last two wins, I am not going to applaud India because they are not doing anything special just Proteas are losing their grip and suddenly after a very good start of the series now chocking very badly which is nothing new for them as they have done already many times now we have last and final T-20 tomorrow which is going to be very exciting as new Indian team will try their best for clinch this series and Proteas will fight hard for the win of this last match and series after disappointed two matches which bring them down at level after 2 big wins.

The batting lineup needs to do some better as their bowlers are already in good touch and capable of restricting any batting lineup.

I also don't think that India has done anything really great in the last two matches. I think the South African team needed to play a lot better than they have and now it looks like they might face a choked defeat in this t20 series.

But, I have to say in the previous match India was batting really well. South African bowlers could have done better. The last match is going to be the decider and I hope it will not be a one-sided match. And if Dinesh Kartik is able to play really well in the last match I think the selectors are going to do justice to him.

Every match is being played in a different venue. This too have something to do with the game. In the first match India was able to set a good target, but South Africa managed to chase it without much difficulty. In the second match India didn't make a good target. In the third match batsmen made a good target and bowlers supported it. Fourth match target set by India is enough, but it could've been chased by South Africa. So, it looks like India haven't improved much but the South Africa team performance have gone down. Maybe this can be due to the venues.

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India played really well and especially Dinesh Karthik had a really good time with the bat in this match. I don't think India has done anything absolutely incredible in the batting but I believe they have done really well in the bowling lineup. It is true that South Africa was a little unlucky because their captain got injured and had to leave the field. That obviously gave India a little advantage over south Africa. Hardik Pandya also played really well for India. Now they have leveled it to 2-2. It's going to be a very interesting final match of the t20 series.

Dinesh Karthik is surely doing an amazing job and now it's time for Selectors to reward him for his performance in recent matches which could be good for this skilled player who is serving for a long time in this Indian team.

With the last two wins, I am not going to applaud India because they are not doing anything special just Proteas are losing their grip and suddenly after a very good start of the series now chocking very badly which is nothing new for them as they have done already many times now we have last and final T-20 tomorrow which is going to be very exciting as new Indian team will try their best for clinch this series and Proteas will fight hard for the win of this last match and series after disappointed two matches which bring them down at level after 2 big wins.

The batting lineup needs to do some better as their bowlers are already in good touch and capable of restricting any batting lineup.

I also don't think that India has done anything really great in the last two matches. I think the South African team needed to play a lot better than they have and now it looks like they might face a choked defeat in this t20 series.

But, I have to say in the previous match India was batting really well. South African bowlers could have done better. The last match is going to be the decider and I hope it will not be a one-sided match. And if Dinesh Kartik is able to play really well in the last match I think the selectors are going to do justice to him.

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South Africa after giving a very strong start now chocking and having very poor performance in batting even their bowlers are still on their target and not allowing opponents to play freely but batsmen completely fail to produce winning innings after the first two matches which is a big concern for them in presence of some extraordinary players now after this match most chances they are going to lost this series as Indian's are settled and they will never allow them for having last match and series.

South Africa's batsmen have shown such a terrible batting performance in the last two matches, they do not look like they will win the last match. South African batsmen need to bat more responsibly. Of course, the top-order players have to play well. If the players in the top order do not play well, South Africa will lose the next match and lose the series. But my guess is that South Africa will definitely get back on track and win the last match.

Losing the 3rd and 4th T20 after making strong wins on the first two T20 matches of the series shows how bad the performance have changed. As said not only South Africa, almost every country have got this problem. If the top order didn't perform good, same will be followed through the match. India have made remarkable progress, in specific the bowling side have improved. In terms of batting, the players find way to score understanding the bad position of the top order.

What a miserable performance by South Africa, i was expecting them to win this series easily but last two matches were really bad for South Africa especially this one they failed miserably In this match and skittled for just 87 runs in a big total to chase, this has really brought back india into competitions and if this India team wins the series against South Africa there is a good chance that main Indian team can win the world Cup as well

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Quote from: BALIK on June 18, 2022, 12:49:56 PM

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South Africa after giving a very strong start now chocking and having very poor performance in batting even their bowlers are still on their target and not allowing opponents to play freely but batsmen completely fail to produce winning innings after the first two matches which is a big concern for them in presence of some extraordinary players now after this match most chances they are going to lost this series as Indian's are settled and they will never allow them for having last match and series.

South Africa's batsmen have shown such a terrible batting performance in the last two matches, they do not look like they will win the last match. South African batsmen need to bat more responsibly. Of course, the top-order players have to play well. If the players in the top order do not play well, South Africa will lose the next match and lose the series. But my guess is that South Africa will definitely get back on track and win the last match.

Losing the 3rd and 4th T20 after making strong wins on the first two T20 matches of the series shows how bad the performance have changed. As said not only South Africa, almost every country have got this problem. If the top order didn't perform good, same will be followed through the match. India have made remarkable progress, in specific the bowling side have improved. In terms of batting, the players find way to score understanding the bad position of the top order.

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Quote from: minairia3 on June 18, 2022, 10:30:28 AM

India played really well and especially Dinesh Karthik had a really good time with the bat in this match. I don't think India has done anything absolutely incredible in the batting but I believe they have done really well in the bowling lineup. It is true that South Africa was a little unlucky because their captain got injured and had to leave the field. That obviously gave India a little advantage over south Africa. Hardik Pandya also played really well for India. Now they have leveled it to 2-2. It's going to be a very interesting final match of the t20 series.

Dinesh Karthik is surely doing an amazing job and now it's time for Selectors to reward him for his performance in recent matches which could be good for this skilled player who is serving for a long time in this Indian team.

With the last two wins, I am not going to applaud India because they are not doing anything special just Proteas are losing their grip and suddenly after a very good start of the series now chocking very badly which is nothing new for them as they have done already many times now we have last and final T-20 tomorrow which is going to be very exciting as new Indian team will try their best for clinch this series and Proteas will fight hard for the win of this last match and series after disappointed two matches which bring them down at level after 2 big wins.

The batting lineup needs to do some better as their bowlers are already in good touch and capable of restricting any batting lineup.

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Quote from: barbara44 on June 18, 2022, 10:51:43 AM

South Africa after giving a very strong start now chocking and having very poor performance in batting even their bowlers are still on their target and not allowing opponents to play freely but batsmen completely fail to produce winning innings after the first two matches which is a big concern for them in presence of some extraordinary players now after this match most chances they are going to lost this series as Indian's are settled and they will never allow them for having last match and series.

South Africa's batsmen have shown such a terrible batting performance in the last two matches, they do not look like they will win the last match. South African batsmen need to bat more responsibly. Of course, the top-order players have to play well. If the players in the top order do not play well, South Africa will lose the next match and lose the series. But my guess is that South Africa will definitely get back on track and win the last match.

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While Indian bowlers have been able to improve their performance, the performance of Indian batsmen has not been good enough. I am not satisfied with the performance of Indian batsmen. In today's match, India scored only 56 runs in the first 10 overs. The run rate was less than 6. They should have collected at least 70 runs in the first 10 overs.

A very improved performance from bowlers and batsmen which bring back India at level with South Africa after losing the first two T-20 but they still need some good depth because in this new generation of players we have nothing special masala as we have in past from many great players even win is won but they need something better performance as they are preparing for this year's mega-event which is going to play in Australia in October and they are going to face Pakistan in their first match.

South Africa after giving a very strong start now chocking and having very poor performance in batting even their bowlers are still on their target and not allowing opponents to play freely but batsmen completely fail to produce winning innings after the first two matches which is a big concern for them in presence of some extraordinary players now after this match most chances they are going to lost this series as Indian's are settled and they will never allow them for having last match and series.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 18, 2022, 05:52:50 AM

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India improved their last 2 matches.4th T-20 match, Pandya and Karthik played brilliant knock they played match winning batting. Specially Indian bowler's did well their job now series 2-2.Unfortunately South African Captain did not play last match cz he was injured. What do you think who will win series?

Momentum is with India, and therefore I expect them to win the series. For South Africa, the spinners are leaking too many runs, and the pacers are unable to get the wickets. Kagiso Rabada managed to pick up just two wickets, after conceding 81 runs, while Tabraiz Shamsi picked up one solitary wicket for 102 runs. Anrich Nortje and Keshav Maharaj were slightly better. And for South Africa, the lack of form from their captain remains a concern. So far Temba Bavuma has scored 61 runs from 4 innings.

India played really well and especially Dinesh Karthik had a really good time with the bat in this match. I don't think India has done anything absolutely incredible in the batting but I believe they have done really well in the bowling lineup. It is true that South Africa was a little unlucky because their captain got injured and had to leave the field. That obviously gave India a little advantage over south Africa. Hardik Pandya also played really well for India. Now they have leveled it to 2-2. It's going to be a very interesting final match of the t20 series.

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And for South Africa, the lack of form from their captain remains a concern. So far Temba Bavuma has scored 61 runs from 4 innings.

Temba Bavuma is not known as a prolific striker of the ball in T20 and he is struggling in Indian pitches, advantage for India is that Dinesh Karthik has become a world class finisher and most of the time he does not getting the opportunity and he should be sent ahead of Hardik Pandya depending on the match situation so that he get more time in the middle.
After the first two matches i thought the series is done and dusted but it is good to see that India is fighting back without any major changes in the bowling unit.

Honestly I don't know why the selectors always give preference for Rishabh Pant ahead of Dinesh Karthik. Pant has failed again and again. Guys like Karthik and Saha are constantly overlooked because of their age (Saha has retired, for all practical purposes). Younger keepers such as Pant, Kishan and Samson have been given ample opportunities, but these guys never made full use of them. IMO, DK should be the keeper for the next 2-3 years at least. Till then, the younger guys need to prove that they can perform on a consistent basis.

BCCI's plan is long-term. Dinesh Karthik is now over 37 years old. He will be able to stay with the team for a maximum of 2 years. Rishab Pant may not be in good form now. But from now on, if BCCI cannot make Rishab Pant suitable for the Indian team, then the Indian team will be short of experienced players in the future. India has a lot of talented players. But there are very few experienced players. And so RIshab Pant played poorly in a few matches but BCCI is giving him ample opportunity to get back in form.

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And for South Africa, the lack of form from their captain remains a concern. So far Temba Bavuma has scored 61 runs from 4 innings.

Temba Bavuma is not known as a prolific striker of the ball in T20 and he is struggling in Indian pitches, advantage for India is that Dinesh Karthik has become a world class finisher and most of the time he does not getting the opportunity and he should be sent ahead of Hardik Pandya depending on the match situation so that he get more time in the middle.

After the first two matches i thought the series is done and dusted but it is good to see that India is fighting back without any major changes in the bowling unit.

Honestly I don't know why the selectors always give preference for Rishabh Pant ahead of Dinesh Karthik. Pant has failed again and again. Guys like Karthik and Saha are constantly overlooked because of their age (Saha has retired, for all practical purposes). Younger keepers such as Pant, Kishan and Samson have been given ample opportunities, but these guys never made full use of them. IMO, DK should be the keeper for the next 2-3 years at least. Till then, the younger guys need to prove that they can perform on a consistent basis.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 18, 2022, 09:12:49 AM

True momentum is with India but we also shouldn't forget that Proteas never lost the T-20 series in India and i guess they are the only team in the world to not lose any bilateral t-20 series.

Only positive sign is our young team has no baggage so this might work in our favor, hope Proteas choke tomorrow but at the same time we are also big time choker. Grin

Normally SA are too good at there home ground but its nice to know that they are also unbeaten at India in T20I bilateral series. My be IPL have given too much experience to SA players that they can easily overcome India at there home ground. India performance in T20 series is quite good and now they are in a good position to win the series.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 18, 2022, 05:52:50 AM

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And for South Africa, the lack of form from their captain remains a concern. So far Temba Bavuma has scored 61 runs from 4 innings.

Temba Bavuma is not known as a prolific striker of the ball in T20 and he is struggling in Indian pitches, advantage for India is that Dinesh Karthik has become a world class finisher and most of the time he does not getting the opportunity and he should be sent ahead of Hardik Pandya depending on the match situation so that he get more time in the middle.

After the first two matches i thought the series is done and dusted but it is good to see that India is fighting back without any major changes in the bowling unit.

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India improved their last 2 matches.4th T-20 match, Pandya and Karthik played brilliant knock they played match winning batting. Specially Indian bowler's did well their job now series 2-2.Unfortunately South African Captain did not play last match cz he was injured. What do you think who will win series?

Momentum is with India, and therefore I expect them to win the series. For South Africa, the spinners are leaking too many runs, and the pacers are unable to get the wickets. Kagiso Rabada managed to pick up just two wickets, after conceding 81 runs, while Tabraiz Shamsi picked up one solitary wicket for 102 runs. Anrich Nortje and Keshav Maharaj were slightly better. And for South Africa, the lack of form from their captain remains a concern. So far Temba Bavuma has scored 61 runs from 4 innings.

True momentum is with India but we also shouldn't forget that Proteas never lost the T-20 series in India and i guess they are the only team in the world to not lose any bilateral t-20 series.

Only positive sign is our young team has no baggage so this might work in our favor, hope Proteas choke tomorrow but at the same time we are also big time choker. Grin

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Talent is immense, no doubt about it but if you're not incentivizing the strike rates in T-20 then you deserve to doom. You should never expect becoming impact player in T-20 if your SR is below 140, period!!

You are missing one critical point which is the bowling factor. Scoring at lower strike-rates is absolutely fine as long as they don't waste too many balls. On the other hand, bowlers need to focus on improving their economy rates and taking wickets more consistently.

Completely opposite point of view. Bowlers are important part but T-20 is a format for the batters. In this format we can't expect bowlers to bail out team every time.

Lower strike rates are directly connected to batter wasting opportunity to score runs, not the other way around. If Career SR is hanging around 130-132 then it's understandable because sometime you click, sometime you don't but if your match SR is going down from that mark then it's bad for the team.

Just look at the scorecard of English batting in last match against Netherlands.

In the t20 format actually, it does not matter if a team has the best bowlers. All that matters in a t20 match having good batsmen in the team. Honestly, you don't even need good batsmen on your team. You just need someone who can throw his bat around and get some quick runs. That's why I think it is not very important to have really great bowlers in a team for t20 matches.

But I think it is important to have really good leg-spin bowlers. Because leg-spin bowlers are really mysterious. And that is very important for t20 cricket. And if you think about having fast bowlers on the team they better be able to bowl at a 150 km per hour speed.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 18, 2022, 05:52:50 AM

Momentum is with India, and therefore I expect them to win the series. For South Africa, the spinners are leaking too many runs, and the pacers are unable to get the wickets. Kagiso Rabada managed to pick up just two wickets, after conceding 81 runs, while Tabraiz Shamsi picked up one solitary wicket for 102 runs. Anrich Nortje and Keshav Maharaj were slightly better. And for South Africa, the lack of form from their captain remains a concern. So far Temba Bavuma has scored 61 runs from 4 innings.

India now clearly in command. They lost first two T20I but there performance in first T20I was outstanding as they scored 211 runs. Hardik Pandya is back in squad and he along with Kartik are the main batter who helped India giving target of 169 runs. I am of the view that India will win the last game also.

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Quote from: Mamun74 on June 18, 2022, 05:10:10 AM

India improved their last 2 matches.4th T-20 match, Pandya and Karthik played brilliant knock they played match winning batting. Specially Indian bowler's did well their job now series 2-2.Unfortunately South African Captain did not play last match cz he was injured. What do you think who will win series?

Momentum is with India, and therefore I expect them to win the series. For South Africa, the spinners are leaking too many runs, and the pacers are unable to get the wickets. Kagiso Rabada managed to pick up just two wickets, after conceding 81 runs, while Tabraiz Shamsi picked up one solitary wicket for 102 runs. Anrich Nortje and Keshav Maharaj were slightly better. And for South Africa, the lack of form from their captain remains a concern. So far Temba Bavuma has scored 61 runs from 4 innings.

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In the fourth T20I, India registered a comprehensive victory over South Africa! It was a great performance from the Indian bowlers, they did their job perfectly. From 2-0 down, India moves on to 2-2 to level the series. For the final T20I and to confirm the victory in the T20 series, they just need to keep their motivation high.

India improved their last 2 matches.4th T-20 match, Pandya and Karthik played brilliant knock they played match winning batting. Specially Indian bowler's did well their job now series 2-2.Unfortunately South African Captain did not play last match cz he was injured. What do you think who will win series?

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