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Quote from: onecall123 on June 02, 2021, 11:43:24 AM

Covid-19 situation in India is terrifying. Above all we can't forget how the world most expensive franchises league IPL stopped due to horrible health crisis. Presently the circumstance become impossible to control as the people continuously avoid their own duty and I realize that since starting they are throwing their responsibilities on Central Govt.

Oh.. please.. don't get me started.

We all know what happened with the IPL. The Initial plan was to conduct the tournament in the UAE. Then the BCCI got too arrogant, and shifted the tournament to India. And even then it would have proceeded with any issue. But they again made mistakes. The management allowed Varun Chakravarthy to leave the bio-secure bubble and then re-enter, without any quarantine measure. Varun ended up infecting at least a dozen others inside the bubble. Rather than calling this as a mistake, I would term it as deliberate sabotage. How can these people be so careless?

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on June 02, 2021, 08:41:24 AM

If the people of India follow the rules of lockdown properly, then the situation in India will return to normal very quickly. The Indian government has been implementing lockdowns in various states for a long time. But the people of India are not following the rules properly. On the other hand, you are saying that it is not possible to organize a tournament unless 60% of the people in India are vaccinated. India has a population of 1.366 billion. The Indian government does not have the capacity to vaccinate people.

Majority of Indians ignored the virus once the initial lockdowns ended last year and hosted marriages, religious festivals etc and screwed themselves by helping the virus mutate and cause a deadly second wave of infections.

The worst part is that some people who followed all precaution protocols properly got affected badly because of these imbeciles. Fault lies on both the government and the people who failed to follow the precaution protocols effectively.

Covid-19 situation in India is terrifying. Above all we can't forget how the world most expensive franchises league IPL stopped due to horrible health crisis. Presently the circumstance become impossible to control as the people continuously avoid their own duty and I realize that since starting they are throwing their responsibilities on Central Govt.

The BCCI will not be able to host the IPL again this year unless the public is aware and does not follow the hygiene rules. Corona virus kills a lot of people every day in India. In addition to the corona virus, there has been an outbreak of black fungus. The Indian government has also declared black fungus an epidemic. If the people are not aware now, the end of the epidemic in India will not happen now.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on June 02, 2021, 08:41:24 AM

If the people of India follow the rules of lockdown properly, then the situation in India will return to normal very quickly. The Indian government has been implementing lockdowns in various states for a long time. But the people of India are not following the rules properly. On the other hand, you are saying that it is not possible to organize a tournament unless 60% of the people in India are vaccinated. India has a population of 1.366 billion. The Indian government does not have the capacity to vaccinate people.

Majority of Indians ignored the virus once the initial lockdowns ended last year and hosted marriages, religious festivals etc and screwed themselves by helping the virus mutate and cause a deadly second wave of infections.

The worst part is that some people who followed all precaution protocols properly got affected badly because of these imbeciles. Fault lies on both the government and the people who failed to follow the precaution protocols effectively.

Covid-19 situation in India is terrifying. Above all we can't forget how the world most expensive franchises league IPL stopped due to horrible health crisis. Presently the circumstance become impossible to control as the people continuously avoid their own duty and I realize that since starting they are throwing their responsibilities on Central Govt.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on June 02, 2021, 08:41:24 AM

If the people of India follow the rules of lockdown properly, then the situation in India will return to normal very quickly. The Indian government has been implementing lockdowns in various states for a long time. But the people of India are not following the rules properly. On the other hand, you are saying that it is not possible to organize a tournament unless 60% of the people in India are vaccinated. India has a population of 1.366 billion. The Indian government does not have the capacity to vaccinate people.

Majority of Indians ignored the virus once the initial lockdowns ended last year and hosted marriages, religious festivals etc and screwed themselves by helping the virus mutate and cause a deadly second wave of infections.

The worst part is that some people who followed all precaution protocols properly got affected badly because of these imbeciles. Fault lies on both the government and the people who failed to follow the precaution protocols effectively.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 02, 2021, 08:28:55 AM

I'm not in favour of hosting wc in India this year. On one hand BCCI relocating IPL in UAE and on other hand asking ICC to delay the meeting.

Yes.. BCCI's stance is self-contradictory. On one hand, they don't want a disruption again with the IPL. And they don't really care if the same happens with the T20 World Cup, because the lion's share of the revenues will be going to the ICC and even if there is a disruption then ICC will have to bear the losses. Enough is enough. The ICC needs to tell them that no more postponement is possible. Unless the BCCI can show that there is zero chance of another spike in October, the tournament should be moved to UAE.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 02, 2021, 07:57:49 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on June 02, 2021, 06:49:06 AM

BCCI requested ICC to give some time before taking decision on T-20 wc hosting rights so ICC delayed the decision by 1 more month but good news is they are already exploring other venue in the middle east along with UAE.

ICC explores T20 WC venues in Middle East

Do you think that the situation may drastically change in just one month? Even if by some miracle the number of daily cases go down by 90% or 95%, there will always be a possibility of a third wave. There should be no more postponements after this one month period, as it is getting too late. Organizers need to arrange the logistics and other things. Also, the teams need to plan their travel, as well as other preparations. It is simply not possible to hold the tournament in India, unless at least 60% of the population gets vaccinated.

If the people of India follow the rules of lockdown properly, then the situation in India will return to normal very quickly. The Indian government has been implementing lockdowns in various states for a long time. But the people of India are not following the rules properly. On the other hand, you are saying that it is not possible to organize a tournament unless 60% of the people in India are vaccinated. India has a population of 1.366 billion. The Indian government does not have the capacity to vaccinate people.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 02, 2021, 07:57:49 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on June 02, 2021, 06:49:06 AM

BCCI requested ICC to give some time before taking decision on T-20 wc hosting rights so ICC delayed the decision by 1 more month but good news is they are already exploring other venue in the middle east along with UAE.

ICC explores T20 WC venues in Middle East

Do you think that the situation may drastically change in just one month? Even if by some miracle the number of daily cases go down by 90% or 95%, there will always be a possibility of a third wave. There should be no more postponements after this one month period, as it is getting too late. Organizers need to arrange the logistics and other things. Also, the teams need to plan their travel, as well as other preparations. It is simply not possible to hold the tournament in India, unless at least 60% of the population gets vaccinated.

I'm not in favour of hosting wc in India this year. On one hand BCCI relocating IPL in UAE and on other hand asking ICC to delay the meeting.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 02, 2021, 06:49:06 AM

BCCI requested ICC to give some time before taking decision on T-20 wc hosting rights so ICC delayed the decision by 1 more month but good news is they are already exploring other venue in the middle east along with UAE.

ICC explores T20 WC venues in Middle East

Do you think that the situation may drastically change in just one month? Even if by some miracle the number of daily cases go down by 90% or 95%, there will always be a possibility of a third wave. There should be no more postponements after this one month period, as it is getting too late. Organizers need to arrange the logistics and other things. Also, the teams need to plan their travel, as well as other preparations. It is simply not possible to hold the tournament in India, unless at least 60% of the population gets vaccinated.

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BCCI requested ICC to give some time before taking decision on T-20 wc hosting rights so ICC delayed the decision by 1 more month but good news is they are already exploring other venue in the middle east along with UAE.

ICC explores T20 WC venues in Middle East

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 02, 2021, 02:17:31 AM

India is the second most populated country and it is not possible for most pharmaceutical companies to produce such a large quantity of vaccine. The rate by which India is currently running the vaccination programme might take three years to vaccinate every citizen. Plus there is a lot of opposition to these vaccines in rural areas. I doubt it will be over by 2022.

Also, those who have been vaccinated already needs another booster shot after 12 months. Despite being the world's leading producer of vaccines, India yesterday imported 3 million doses of the Sputnik V vaccine from Russia. That was a really desperate step, and it shows how serious the vaccine shortage is in the country. A few months back, everyone were hoping that India will be exporting the vaccines to other countries. And that's why the United Nations's COVAX program signed a deal with Indian manufacturers. And now they are importing vaccines from Russia.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 01, 2021, 09:55:34 PM

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Next few years? I disagree. More and more companies like Pfizer, Moderna etc are beginning to send their vaccines to India which is why I am expecting 90% of the Indian population to get vaccinated by the end of 2022.

Also, Indians are clearly aware of how deadly this virus is, but the majority aren't following prevention protocols due to which the 2nd wave was worse than the first.

That is wrong. Pfizer and Moderna have refused to supply vaccines to India, until the government agree to their indemnity conditions. As of now, AstraZeneca and Sputnik V are the only global vaccine manufacturers who have agreed to supply vaccines to India. On top of that, India has also approved Covaxin (produced by local manufacturer Bharat Biotech). Unfortunately these vaccine manufacturers don't have the capability to produce as many doses, to cover the entire population of India.

India is the second most populated country and it is not possible for most pharmaceutical companies to produce such a large quantity of vaccine. The rate by which India is currently running the vaccination programme might take three years to vaccinate every citizen. Plus there is a lot of opposition to these vaccines in rural areas. I doubt it will be over by 2022.

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Quote from: Haunebu on June 01, 2021, 01:55:42 PM

Next few years? I disagree. More and more companies like Pfizer, Moderna etc are beginning to send their vaccines to India which is why I am expecting 90% of the Indian population to get vaccinated by the end of 2022.

Also, Indians are clearly aware of how deadly this virus is, but the majority aren't following prevention protocols due to which the 2nd wave was worse than the first.

That is wrong. Pfizer and Moderna have refused to supply vaccines to India, until the government agree to their indemnity conditions. As of now, AstraZeneca and Sputnik V are the only global vaccine manufacturers who have agreed to supply vaccines to India. On top of that, India has also approved Covaxin (produced by local manufacturer Bharat Biotech). Unfortunately these vaccine manufacturers don't have the capability to produce as many doses, to cover the entire population of India.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on May 31, 2021, 10:52:32 PM

The situation in India will not be completely normal in the next few years either, because their people are not aware.

Next few years? I disagree. More and more companies like Pfizer, Moderna etc are beginning to send their vaccines to India which is why I am expecting 90% of the Indian population to get vaccinated by the end of 2022.

Also, Indians are clearly aware of how deadly this virus is, but the majority aren't following prevention protocols due to which the 2nd wave was worse than the first.

Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 01, 2021, 12:42:17 AM

Forget about the World Cup. I don't even think that India will be hosting the next year's IPL.

I agree. I think India can properly stage tournaments with crowds in 2023. Am hoping that the virus won't mutate and cause 3rd, 4th etc wave of infections in the future.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on May 31, 2021, 10:52:32 PM

The situation is unlikely to return to normal this year. And it is like a dream to hope that all the population of India will be vaccinated. I don't think the Indian government will be able to do that in the next 5 years. If the situation is somewhat normal, maybe BCCI may decide to host IPL again. The situation in India will not be completely normal in the next few years either, because their people are not aware.

With 4% of the population completely vaccinated in the first 5 months of this year, how can we expect the remaining 96% to be vaccinated in the next 7 months? And anyone familiar with the red tape and bureaucracy in India knows that it is an uphill task. Even if the vaccines are available, there will be delays due to bureaucracy. On top of that, large numbers are reluctant to get the vaccines due to propaganda in the social media. Forget about the World Cup. I don't even think that India will be hosting the next year's IPL.

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Double headers are the only logical option in front of them if they do want to finish the tournament with tight deadlines. Sat-Sun should be double header anyway. As far as WC hosting rights are concern ICC must show some backbone. Both BCCI and ICC are speculating that by the time WC kicks on, cases would go down in India.

It is wishful thinking that situation would improve by the end of this year, who knows when India will be struggling with the third and fourth wave as i am certain with the huge population they have there is no way they can vaccinate even half their citizens in the next one year and to expect everything will be fine and smooth takes some nerve especially after flopping big time to conduct the IPL in a secure bubble Grin

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The situation is unlikely to return to normal this year. And it is like a dream to hope that all the population of India will be vaccinated. I don't think the Indian government will be able to do that in the next 5 years. If the situation is somewhat normal, maybe BCCI may decide to host IPL again. The situation in India will not be completely normal in the next few years either, because their people are not aware.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on May 31, 2021, 03:50:32 PM

It is wishful thinking that situation would improve by the end of this year, who knows when India will be struggling with the third and fourth wave as i am certain with the huge population they have there is no way they can vaccinate even half their citizens in the next one year and to expect everything will be fine and smooth takes some nerve especially after flopping big time to conduct the IPL in a secure bubble Grin

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I agree. Till now, they have fully vaccinated around 3% of the total population. World Cup is just four months away, and I don't think that the situation is going to change drastically within this time. There may be a temporary dip, but no one knows when the next spike will come. IMO, India should not host any major tournament, unless at least 60% of their population is fully vaccinated. And looking at the trends, I don't think that this will be possible before mid-2022. And let's not forget that the main reason for vaccine shortage in India is not the unavailability of vaccine, but the bureaucratic process (once the vaccine is manufactured, it takes 4 months to complete all the quality checks and formalities).

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 31, 2021, 08:34:44 AM

Double headers are the only logical option in front of them if they do want to finish the tournament with tight deadlines. Sat-Sun should be double header anyway. As far as WC hosting rights are concern ICC must show some backbone. Both BCCI and ICC are speculating that by the time WC kicks on, cases would go down in India.

It is wishful thinking that situation would improve by the end of this year, who knows when India will be struggling with the third and fourth wave as i am certain with the huge population they have there is no way they can vaccinate even half their citizens in the next one year and to expect everything will be fine and smooth takes some nerve especially after flopping big time to conduct the IPL in a secure bubble Grin

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 31, 2021, 08:34:44 AM

Double headers are the only logical option in front of them if they do want to finish the tournament with tight deadlines. Sat-Sun should be double header anyway. As far as WC hosting rights are concern ICC must show some backbone. Both BCCI and ICC are speculating that by the time WC kicks on, cases would go down in India.

edit : Haunebu already posted a relevant article (10 double header)

10 double headers and 11 other days mean a total of 21 days. I guess if they could finish the tournament in three weeks, then the T20 World Cup can proceed as planned. But the catch here is that if the world cup is to be played in India, then it takes additional time to set up the bio-secure bubbles and to quarantine the players who are returning from UAE. So the best option here would be to stage both the tournaments in the same country. Also, the BCCI team (Shah, Ganguly.etc) are in Dubai right now, and the rumors are that they are exploring the option to stage the world cup in UAE.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 30, 2021, 08:45:38 PM

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They are planning to conduct the remaining portion of the season in the Sep-Oct window though they haven't finalized the dates which will probably be revealed sometime next month.

A total of 31 matches are remaining. Maybe they should go for 2 matches per day and finish the tournament in 15-20 days. The T20 World Cup is scheduled to start by third week of October. There needs to be 1-2 weeks gap in between, as most of the players who are taking part in the IPL will also be playing in the World Cup as well. It will be easier for the teams, if UAE hosts both the tournaments, but as far as I know the BCCI wants to conduct the World Cup in India (despite the recent surge in COVID 19 cases).

Double headers are the only logical option in front of them if they do want to finish the tournament with tight deadlines. Sat-Sun should be double header anyway. As far as WC hosting rights are concern ICC must show some backbone. Both BCCI and ICC are speculating that by the time WC kicks on, cases would go down in India.

edit : Haunebu already posted a relevant article (10 double header)

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Quote from: Haunebu on May 31, 2021, 03:20:32 AM

Also, the BCCI will be able to conduct the T20 World Cup in India as long as the cases continue to drop just like in recent times.

However, if the cases rise or if there is a third wave of infections, they will probably have to give up on hosting it in India in my opinion which would be the right call.

This is just craziness! Yesterday there were almost 200,000 new cases and more than 3,000 deaths from CoVID 19 in India. I don't think that any of the other countries would agree to play in India. Out of the 16 countries, a majority are going to pull out, if the world cup is staged in India. And the BCCI never cares about the health and well being of the players, as seen from the debacle we had during the IPL. But the other boards can't be so careless about the safety of their players.

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