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Quote from: JSRAW on March 24, 2021, 12:06:36 PM

If every board started thinking like that then there would be no international cricket. Only BIG 3 and couple of more nations would play dandiya with each other every now and then.

Having said that i am in favor of quadrilateral and trilateral series instead of bilateral. One sided or not, doesn't matter as long as its helping with the scheduling.

But why Zimbabwe, when there are more deserving sides out there? Why India and the other big 3 nations need to play against Zimbabwe, when they never give that opportunity to the smaller teams. If the BCCI can organize a tour of 3 T20Is and 3 ODIs against Zimbabwe, then why can't they give just one game to Nepal, Kenya or Papua New Guinea? Even that one game would be life changer for these countries.

The last time India has played against Kenya was in 2004. And India have never played against Nepal or PNG. On the other hand, India and Zimbabwe have played against each other in ODI a total of 63 times.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 23, 2021, 08:49:10 AM

BCCI can't entertain every Test playing nation and every associate member. Indian team schedule is already jam packed in every calendar year, they can't play with everyone. All they can do is support some boards, which they are already doing.

Only possible solution i can find is, organize 16-20 teams T-20 World cup.

There is no point in organizing bilateral series against countries such as Zimbabwe. I guess it has more to do with politics rather than cricket. The BCCI needs some votes in various ICC elections and that is the reason why they are giving a few lollipops to teams such as Zimbabwe. But I really don't understand what the Indian team will gain from such one-sided matches. A few million USD in revenue will be generated inside Zimbabwe, and most of it will be stolen by the corrupt administrators.

If every board started thinking like that then there would be no international cricket. Only BIG 3 and couple of more nations would play dandiya with each other every now and then.

Having said that i am in favor of quadrilateral and trilateral series instead of bilateral. One sided or not, doesn't matter as long as its helping with the scheduling.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 23, 2021, 08:49:10 AM

BCCI can't entertain every Test playing nation and every associate member. Indian team schedule is already jam packed in every calendar year, they can't play with everyone. All they can do is support some boards, which they are already doing.

Only possible solution i can find is, organize 16-20 teams T-20 World cup.

There is no point in organizing bilateral series against countries such as Zimbabwe. I guess it has more to do with politics rather than cricket. The BCCI needs some votes in various ICC elections and that is the reason why they are giving a few lollipops to teams such as Zimbabwe. But I really don't understand what the Indian team will gain from such one-sided matches. A few million USD in revenue will be generated inside Zimbabwe, and most of it will be stolen by the corrupt administrators.

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I doubt that because financially it would be really bad for countries like Afg, Ban, SL, Zim. When Indian team tour someone they also bring big fat checks for the host nations so all these extra tours are part of the eco system. But yeah 2-3 big players should rest, especially Bumrah and Kohli and i'm sure they will.

Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe receive annual payments from the ICC ranging from $12 million to $15 million. Afghanistan was promoted to the test status relatively recently, so they receive a smaller payment. From these numbers, the financial situation looks very comfortable for these cricket boards. It is the smaller cricket boards (Netherlands, Nepal, Scotland, Kenya.etc) which are facing financial crunch, because they receive very small payments from the ICC.

BCCI can't entertain every Test playing nation and every associate member. Indian team schedule is already jam packed in every calendar year, they can't play with everyone. All they can do is support some boards, which they are already doing.

Only possible solution i can find is, organize 16-20 teams T-20 World cup.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 22, 2021, 05:07:15 PM

I doubt that because financially it would be really bad for countries like Afg, Ban, SL, Zim. When Indian team tour someone they also bring big fat checks for the host nations so all these extra tours are part of the eco system. But yeah 2-3 big players should rest, especially Bumrah and Kohli and i'm sure they will.

Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe receive annual payments from the ICC ranging from $12 million to $15 million. Afghanistan was promoted to the test status relatively recently, so they receive a smaller payment. From these numbers, the financial situation looks very comfortable for these cricket boards. It is the smaller cricket boards (Netherlands, Nepal, Scotland, Kenya.etc) which are facing financial crunch, because they receive very small payments from the ICC.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on March 22, 2021, 11:21:51 AM

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Why do they need permission from the ICC? As far as I know, retired players don't need any NOC from their own respective cricket board or from the ICC. They are free to play wherever they want. And in case the ICC is afraid that these events will generate good revenue and it will in turn affect their own tournaments, then they should STFU. I have never seen a more incompetent sports body other than the ICC. They are composed of a bunch of greedy businessmen with no love for the game and during the last two decades they have done a lot of damage to the globalization of cricket. Fuck the ICC.

I was asking whether the ICC would give permission if they want to see tournaments with legends and other ICC cricket nations who are not getting opportunity to play top class cricket. ICC or any sports body will be looking to make money and i have no complaints about that if they are taking the sport and making it better.

Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on March 22, 2021, 02:11:28 PM

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It was just an idea thrown for fun and ICC will not be allowing any country to match up against retired players, you might watch them if they put together a fun warm up match or for charity as the players are retired for a reason Tongue

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There can be many reasons for retirement, if you are not performing in optimum situation and there are other team members waiting in the ranks and yet they can still play much better cricket than players outside the big teams in cricket. Too much cricket also kills the fun, once in a while seeing these tournaments is fine but not all the time.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 22, 2021, 01:17:29 PM

Same story every year, Indian team is cash cow for BCCI and other boards so their schedule is heavily packed no matter what. I think we're are going to see rotation policy soon for all 3 format. Majority of premiere player might get fair amount of rest during SL/Zim and Asia cup if it happens.

Ideally India should not be playing against Zimbabwe, as the latter doesn't even have a stable team now. But since the tour is finalized, I would like the BCCI to send a young team led by Shreyas Iyer. The top players (Kohli, Rohit, Bumrah.etc) should be limited to matches against Big 3 plus New Zealand. For the remaining tours, they can have a rotational policy for the top players and younger players can fill some of the slots.

I doubt that because financially it would be really bad for countries like Afg, Ban, SL, Zim. When Indian team tour someone they also bring big fat checks for the host nations so all these extra tours are part of the eco system. But yeah 2-3 big players should rest, especially Bumrah and Kohli and i'm sure they will.

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on March 22, 2021, 02:11:28 PM

Yuvi, Pathan, Sehwag and Sachin were hitting the ball well along with the rest of the players as well and they can be competitive and there is no doubt regarding that. Not sure whether these retired players kept of practicing even after retirement but as long as you have your reflexes and eyesight they will play brilliant knocks if the bowling lineup is weak.

That's what I was trying to say that these big hitters can still play better than our young batsmen (I'm not against any player but it's just my opinion) and we only need our bowlers to be with them and we can still conquer the rest. As you said, I also know that it's just for fun and I'm also revealing some "fun facts" and know that it's almost impossible for me to see them playing on the ground with young players again.

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on March 22, 2021, 02:11:28 PM

Yuvi, Pathan, Sehwag and Sachin were hitting the ball well along with the rest of the players as well and they can be competitive and there is no doubt regarding that. Not sure whether these retired players kept of practicing even after retirement but as long as you have your reflexes and eyesight they will play brilliant knocks if the bowling lineup is weak.

I am not sure about Sachin Tendulkar and Virender Sehwag, but the other two (Irfan Pathan and Yuvraj Singh) were playing regular cricket and they were even part of various franchise T20 leagues. Irfan Pathan was a part of the Kandy Tuskers squad for the Lanka Premier League 2020. Yuvraj was involved in multiple franchise T20 leagues. He was a part of the Toronto Nationals squad, and then he represented the Maratha Arabians during Abu Dhabi T10 in 2019.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on March 22, 2021, 10:39:06 AM

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Will the ICC allow these matches, some of the matches were entertaining and they might pose a challenge to much lesser competitive teams as they have spinners who bowled well but the fast bowlers lost their pace and it is expected as they are playing after a long gap and i am not expecting them to bowl at express pace but you cannot compete with a young team and expect to be competitive if they are not playing in spin wickets Tongue

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It was just an idea thrown for fun and ICC will not be allowing any country to match up against retired players, you might watch them if they put together a fun warm up match or for charity as the players are retired for a reason Tongue

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Quote from: Stedsm on March 22, 2021, 01:18:54 PM

Lol, are you seriously kidding me here? So you think that those players are "PAANI KAM CHAI" now just because of their age factor? After watching Yuvi hitting those 6's, would you still say that? After seeing Sehwag and Sachin playing on the crease like they never retired, would you still keep the same mindset? I mean, I understand that you didn't disrespect them but the fact is, they retired but never left cricket. If we get to 42 without even practicing and then get to the crease, we'll get bowled at first ball but that's not the case with them.

Yuvi, Pathan, Sehwag and Sachin were hitting the ball well along with the rest of the players as well and they can be competitive and there is no doubt regarding that. Not sure whether these retired players kept of practicing even after retirement but as long as you have your reflexes and eyesight they will play brilliant knocks if the bowling lineup is weak.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 22, 2021, 01:17:29 PM

Same story every year, Indian team is cash cow for BCCI and other boards so their schedule is heavily packed no matter what. I think we're are going to see rotation policy soon for all 3 format. Majority of premiere player might get fair amount of rest during SL/Zim and Asia cup if it happens.

Ideally India should not be playing against Zimbabwe, as the latter doesn't even have a stable team now. But since the tour is finalized, I would like the BCCI to send a young team led by Shreyas Iyer. The top players (Kohli, Rohit, Bumrah.etc) should be limited to matches against Big 3 plus New Zealand. For the remaining tours, they can have a rotational policy for the top players and younger players can fill some of the slots.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on March 21, 2021, 12:01:30 PM

^^^ It is a very packed schedule for India, although there is a possibility that the Asia Cup (which is originally scheduled for June 2021) will be postponed to next year. The selectors need to rotate the players (especially the bowlers) in order to avoid burnout. With such crowded schedule, there is a real chance that a lot of the players will face injury issues. The India tour of Sri Lanka will immediately follow the IPL 2021.

Same story every year, Indian team is cash cow for BCCI and other boards so their schedule is heavily packed no matter what. I think we're are going to see rotation policy soon for all 3 format. Majority of premiere player might get fair amount of rest during SL/Zim and Asia cup if it happens.

It is the truth, and BCCI is one among the richest sports organization in the world. Possibly this heavily packed schedule will lead to three separate squad for T20, ODI and test format. Only then players will get proper rest. Anyhow with BCCI, players are being paid good and that's the reason why players are very eager to play for leagues like IPL than other similar leagues on different countries.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 21, 2021, 10:46:53 PM

LOL... most of these players (who are participating in the Road Safety World Series) were playing after such a huge gap, and it is not possible for them to maintain enough fitness level for matches against regular players. It was possible for them to perform in a satisfactory way, because both the teams were comprised of retired players. I don't think that they stand a chance against regular players (even those from weak countries such as Zimbabwe).

Lol, are you seriously kidding me here? So you think that those players are "PAANI KAM CHAI" now just because of their age factor? After watching Yuvi hitting those 6's, would you still say that? After seeing Sehwag and Sachin playing on the crease like they never retired, would you still keep the same mindset? I mean, I understand that you didn't disrespect them but the fact is, they retired but never left cricket. If we get to 42 without even practicing and then get to the crease, we'll get bowled at first ball but that's not the case with them.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on March 21, 2021, 12:01:30 PM

^^^ It is a very packed schedule for India, although there is a possibility that the Asia Cup (which is originally scheduled for June 2021) will be postponed to next year. The selectors need to rotate the players (especially the bowlers) in order to avoid burnout. With such crowded schedule, there is a real chance that a lot of the players will face injury issues. The India tour of Sri Lanka will immediately follow the IPL 2021.

Same story every year, Indian team is cash cow for BCCI and other boards so their schedule is heavily packed no matter what. I think we're are going to see rotation policy soon for all 3 format. Majority of premiere player might get fair amount of rest during SL/Zim and Asia cup if it happens.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on March 22, 2021, 10:39:06 AM

Will the ICC allow these matches, some of the matches were entertaining and they might pose a challenge to much lesser competitive teams as they have spinners who bowled well but the fast bowlers lost their pace and it is expected as they are playing after a long gap and i am not expecting them to bowl at express pace but you cannot compete with a young team and expect to be competitive if they are not playing in spin wickets Tongue

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Why do they need permission from the ICC? As far as I know, retired players don't need any NOC from their own respective cricket board or from the ICC. They are free to play wherever they want. And in case the ICC is afraid that these events will generate good revenue and it will in turn affect their own tournaments, then they should STFU. I have never seen a more incompetent sports body other than the ICC. They are composed of a bunch of greedy businessmen with no love for the game and during the last two decades they have done a lot of damage to the globalization of cricket. Fuck the ICC.

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on March 22, 2021, 10:14:12 AM

If they mix players from different countries then they can come up with a strong that can challenge any average team. That does not mean picking players who retired a decade ago Cheesy

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If they play these tournaments yearly it would attract viewership as most of the games had good crowds in the stadium.

Will the ICC allow these matches, some of the matches were entertaining and they might pose a challenge to much lesser competitive teams as they have spinners who bowled well but the fast bowlers lost their pace and it is expected as they are playing after a long gap and i am not expecting them to bowl at express pace but you cannot compete with a young team and expect to be competitive if they are not playing in spin wickets Tongue

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on March 22, 2021, 07:45:49 AM

The match will be competitive, but I am not sure whether they will be able to defeat the current Zimbabwe squad. The batsmen may be in better condition compared to the bowlers, but we will know that for sure only if the actual match occurs. And I have seen the list of players who are participating in this series. Some of the players retired only recently, such as Dwayne Smith, Dhammika Prasad and Jacques Rudolph. These players will be able to compete in a meaningful way. But the same can't be expected from the 50 plus players, such as Sanath Jayasuriya and Ridley Jacobs.

It will be fun to watch matches like that but it will be a nail in the coffin for any teams that face them and gets defeated by retired professionals Cheesy

. If they mix players from different countries then they can come up with a strong that can challenge any average team. That does not mean picking players who retired a decade ago Cheesy

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If they play these tournaments yearly it would attract viewership as most of the games had good crowds in the stadium.

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Quote from: ene1980 on March 22, 2021, 07:37:45 AM

If they can pick a legends team among the players that played in this series and then compete against Zimbabwe they will defeat them without a doubt, i am yet to look at the bowlers who could create problem and their fitness but the batsman are in free flow and they were hitting the ball with ease and they can compete again them in the shorter format especially in the T20 format.

The match will be competitive, but I am not sure whether they will be able to defeat the current Zimbabwe squad. The batsmen may be in better condition compared to the bowlers, but we will know that for sure only if the actual match occurs. And I have seen the list of players who are participating in this series. Some of the players retired only recently, such as Dwayne Smith, Dhammika Prasad and Jacques Rudolph. These players will be able to compete in a meaningful way. But the same can't be expected from the 50 plus players, such as Sanath Jayasuriya and Ridley Jacobs.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 21, 2021, 10:46:53 PM

LOL... most of these players (who are participating in the Road Safety World Series) were playing after such a huge gap, and it is not possible for them to maintain enough fitness level for matches against regular players. It was possible for them to perform in a satisfactory way, because both the teams were comprised of retired players. I don't think that they stand a chance against regular players (even those from weak countries such as Zimbabwe).

If they can pick a legends team among the players that played in this series and then compete against Zimbabwe they will defeat them without a doubt, i am yet to look at the bowlers who could create problem and their fitness but the batsman are in free flow and they were hitting the ball with ease and they can compete again them in the shorter format especially in the T20 format.

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Quote from: Stedsm on March 21, 2021, 05:00:54 PM

After watching the games of old players (Road Safety series), I wonder what would happen if we give back a chance to a few of them and try them all again? I know that it's not going to work the way I'm thinking but at least they will show their true strength to the new players too. Though, I watched the last game (the one India lost) where KL Rahul went back to the pavilion so quickly, which shows that our major strength which lies in the opening pair still lacks the best person out there to take the spot and play responsibly.

LOL... most of these players (who are participating in the Road Safety World Series) were playing after such a huge gap, and it is not possible for them to maintain enough fitness level for matches against regular players. It was possible for them to perform in a satisfactory way, because both the teams were comprised of retired players. I don't think that they stand a chance against regular players (even those from weak countries such as Zimbabwe).

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