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Quote from: JSRAW on March 19, 2021, 07:24:23 PM

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So we have series decider, excepting cracking Saturday.

This would be my team for today

Kishan
Rohit
Surya
Kohli
Shreyas
Pant ( if need quick runs then Pant could play ahead of Shreyas at no 5, move Shreyas at no 6)
Pandaya
Shardul
Bhuvi
Sundar (He was expensive in the last game but conditions were tough when he came to ball so going with him again or Should Lord Tewatia play in the final game?)
Chahar

Tricky situation with the 5 bowler setup but no other choice as Jadeja is not there.

This seems the perfect playing XI for the decider but it seems Kohli willing to stick with KL Rahul even after the disappointing everytime, hooe this time Ishan Kisan and Surya Kumar Yadav will get slots. About Takur he should be the man because 3 spinners may end up into chaos if they are defending a total and also the dew factor may plays a role.

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Look at the bright side, third umpiring has been pretty much below average in this tour so it can't get worse than that.

About on field umpiring; its hard for on field umpire to judge even close call on wickets in real time. Judging clean catches on boundary from square or bowler end are impossible, that's why soft signal becomes important. On field umpire went with the fielder reaction and gave out as soft signal. He could have said "I'm not sure" as Virat mentioned. Third umpire was on weeds that's a only explanation i could find for this incident.

On second note i have a feeling that we have less amount of camera angles in this series when comparing to IPL.

What he might try to tell was that, we need to get rid of the mandatory soft signal, this is a classic example. The third umpire did not have any camera angles to make a concrete decision and the rules says that if there is a doubt the decision will favor the batsman. But when it goes to the third umpire and the on field umpire gives a soft signal out, then the on field umpire decision stays even if there is no clarity even with multiple replays and in this instance there is no way the on field umpires can view clearly and make a decision 50 meters away from him.

Due to the 'soft signal' rule the former cricketers criticized on third umpire's choice. Suryakumar Yadav's dismissal has started a debate as umpire made a controversial decision. How can be this out when it obviously shown the ball contacted the grounds. This rule needs to be changed.

It was clearly evident that the ball did hit the ground. What made the third umpire doubt the visual. I am sure he might have some issues with his eye sight. There is nothing to debate about this umpire, it would be good if ICC exempts him from umpiring in international cricket.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 19, 2021, 07:24:23 PM

Let's just hope that ICC take any steps against this "Umpires call" on such scenario before the T-20 world cup kicks in. Just imagine India vs Any team in the Finals and umpire call deciding the outcome (India losing the game). Riots Riots !!! Grin

I am in favor of the status quo, especially related to the LBW appeals. If the "Umpire's call" and "soft signal" are eliminated, then it will result in complete chaos and the decision of the field umpire would be overturned several times in the same match. And this will also result in the fielding team going for more reviews and the match can get delayed due to it. We have seen this during the 4th match as well, when the third umpire took almost 15 minutes to decide whether a catch was cleanly taken or not.

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Let's just hope that ICC take any steps against this "Umpires call" on such scenario before the T-20 world cup kicks in. Just imagine India vs Any team in the Finals and umpire call deciding the outcome (India losing the game). Riots Riots !!! Grin

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So we have series decider, excepting cracking Saturday.

This would be my team for today

Kishan
Rohit
Surya
Kohli
Shreyas
Pant ( if need quick runs then Pant could play ahead of Shreyas at no 5, move Shreyas at no 6)
Pandaya
Shardul
Bhuvi
Sundar (He was expensive in the last game but conditions were tough when he came to ball so going with him again or Should Lord Tewatia play in the final game?)
Chahar

Tricky situation with the 5 bowler setup but no other choice as Jadeja is not there.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 19, 2021, 03:24:45 AM

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Look at the bright side, third umpiring has been pretty much below average in this tour so it can't get worse than that.

About on field umpiring; its hard for on field umpire to judge even close call on wickets in real time. Judging clean catches on boundary from square or bowler end are impossible, that's why soft signal becomes important. On field umpire went with the fielder reaction and gave out as soft signal. He could have said "I'm not sure" as Virat mentioned. Third umpire was on weeds that's a only explanation i could find for this incident.

On second note i have a feeling that we have less amount of camera angles in this series when comparing to IPL.

What he might try to tell was that, we need to get rid of the mandatory soft signal, this is a classic example. The third umpire did not have any camera angles to make a concrete decision and the rules says that if there is a doubt the decision will favor the batsman. But when it goes to the third umpire and the on field umpire gives a soft signal out, then the on field umpire decision stays even if there is no clarity even with multiple replays and in this instance there is no way the on field umpires can view clearly and make a decision 50 meters away from him.

Due to the 'soft signal' rule the former cricketers criticized on third umpire's choice. Suryakumar Yadav's dismissal has started a debate as umpire made a controversial decision. How can be this out when it obviously shown the ball contacted the grounds. This rule needs to be changed.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 19, 2021, 03:24:45 AM

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Look at the bright side, third umpiring has been pretty much below average in this tour so it can't get worse than that.

About on field umpiring; its hard for on field umpire to judge even close call on wickets in real time. Judging clean catches on boundary from square or bowler end are impossible, that's why soft signal becomes important. On field umpire went with the fielder reaction and gave out as soft signal. He could have said "I'm not sure" as Virat mentioned. Third umpire was on weeds that's a only explanation i could find for this incident.

On second note i have a feeling that we have less amount of camera angles in this series when comparing to IPL.

What he might try to tell was that, we need to get rid of the mandatory soft signal, this is a classic example. The third umpire did not have any camera angles to make a concrete decision and the rules says that if there is a doubt the decision will favor the batsman. But when it goes to the third umpire and the on field umpire gives a soft signal out, then the on field umpire decision stays even if there is no clarity even with multiple replays and in this instance there is no way the on field umpires can view clearly and make a decision 50 meters away from him.

I think this is a sort of double edged sword. I think the board wants technology to be used till a limit in the game and let the players and umpires play the game. Technology is kept as the second option as they want that humar error thing to do it's own play. But yes when there is soft signal requirements in run out decisions then why should there be in boundary catches decisions as the umpires cannot judge both of them. I think it just depends on differences of schools of thought and nothing else.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on March 19, 2021, 01:19:29 AM

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The way Yadav and Panth batted I do not think it was possible for England to restrict the Indian team score under 180. It would not have been a closed matched if the Indian spinner duo were able to utilise the pitch. Shardul Mishra for me was the star bowler of yesterday's match and not Bhuvaneshwar kumar or Hardik Pandya. In the end after losing the toss India did win the match.

Indian spinners were wayward. Washington Sundar in particular gave away so many easy pickings for the batsmen (he went for 52 runs from his 4 overs). Shardul Thakur bowled well, but he was expensive in his first spell. He managed to pick up wickets in the end, because by then the required run rate was close to 15 runs per over. The best bowlers for India were Bhuvneshwar Kumar and Hardik Pandya. They were the ones who kept pressure on England, by bowling with a very tight line.

I guess the tight bowling and wicket taking bowler is also a deadly combo because when the run rate need kept rising so batsmen need to take risk of hitting the every balls which will give opportunity to take some wickets as well that is what exactly happened last night.1o runs an over is a bit expensive but the 4 wickets will compensate everything because he was the reason to win the match to be honest.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 19, 2021, 03:24:45 AM

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Look at the bright side, third umpiring has been pretty much below average in this tour so it can't get worse than that.

About on field umpiring; its hard for on field umpire to judge even close call on wickets in real time. Judging clean catches on boundary from square or bowler end are impossible, that's why soft signal becomes important. On field umpire went with the fielder reaction and gave out as soft signal. He could have said "I'm not sure" as Virat mentioned. Third umpire was on weeds that's a only explanation i could find for this incident.

On second note i have a feeling that we have less amount of camera angles in this series when comparing to IPL.

What he might try to tell was that, we need to get rid of the mandatory soft signal, this is a classic example. The third umpire did not have any camera angles to make a concrete decision and the rules says that if there is a doubt the decision will favor the batsman. But when it goes to the third umpire and the on field umpire gives a soft signal out, then the on field umpire decision stays even if there is no clarity even with multiple replays and in this instance there is no way the on field umpires can view clearly and make a decision 50 meters away from him.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on March 18, 2021, 04:23:35 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on March 18, 2021, 12:46:47 PM

Cut some slack to third umpire, do you know how tough is to take shitty decision and stand against the rules of logic. Grin

The flawed logic is since the field umpire who does not have a clear view of the catch gave them as a soft dismissal while referring to the third umpire and even the third umpire in his eyes cannot see the ball landing because he might be thinking Malan has extra long fingers than normal and then it was inconclusive to make a decision so that the on field umpire decision stays should change as the on field umpire has no clue or view about the catch and with these technological advantage they should not make these blunders.

Even a school kid would have the insight what a third umpire did not have in this decision Cheesy

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Look at the bright side, third umpiring has been pretty much below average in this tour so it can't get worse than that.

About on field umpiring; its hard for on field umpire to judge even close call on wickets in real time. Judging clean catches on boundary from square or bowler end are impossible, that's why soft signal becomes important. On field umpire went with the fielder reaction and gave out as soft signal. He could have said "I'm not sure" as Virat mentioned. Third umpire was on weeds that's a only explanation i could find for this incident.

On second note i have a feeling that we have less amount of camera angles in this series when comparing to IPL.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on March 19, 2021, 12:52:07 AM

The way Yadav and Panth batted I do not think it was possible for England to restrict the Indian team score under 180. It would not have been a closed matched if the Indian spinner duo were able to utilise the pitch. Shardul Mishra for me was the star bowler of yesterday's match and not Bhuvaneshwar kumar or Hardik Pandya. In the end after losing the toss India did win the match.

Indian spinners were wayward. Washington Sundar in particular gave away so many easy pickings for the batsmen (he went for 52 runs from his 4 overs). Shardul Thakur bowled well, but he was expensive in his first spell. He managed to pick up wickets in the end, because by then the required run rate was close to 15 runs per over. The best bowlers for India were Bhuvneshwar Kumar and Hardik Pandya. They were the ones who kept pressure on England, by bowling with a very tight line.

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Pandya bowled well, but the best bowler was Bhuvi all the way just like in recent matches. After Bumrah, I regard him as the best death bowler in Indian cricket currently.

I guess the England batsmen came prepared to face spin, but they were undone by the medium pace of Bhuvneshwar Kumar and Hardik Pandya. On the other hand, the spinners were disappointing yesterday, perhaps with the exception of Rahul Chahar. It was a close match though and if England managed to restrict India to under 180, then they could have easily won the match.

The way Yadav and Panth batted I do not think it was possible for England to restrict the Indian team score under 180. It would not have been a closed matched if the Indian spinner duo were able to utilise the pitch. Shardul Mishra for me was the star bowler of yesterday's match and not Bhuvaneshwar kumar or Hardik Pandya. In the end after losing the toss India did win the match.

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Quote from: Haunebu on March 18, 2021, 01:56:16 PM

Pandya bowled well, but the best bowler was Bhuvi all the way just like in recent matches. After Bumrah, I regard him as the best death bowler in Indian cricket currently.

I guess the England batsmen came prepared to face spin, but they were undone by the medium pace of Bhuvneshwar Kumar and Hardik Pandya. On the other hand, the spinners were disappointing yesterday, perhaps with the exception of Rahul Chahar. It was a close match though and if England managed to restrict India to under 180, then they could have easily won the match.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 18, 2021, 12:46:47 PM

Cut some slack to third umpire, do you know how tough is to take shitty decision and stand against the rules of logic. Grin

The flawed logic is since the field umpire who does not have a clear view of the catch gave them as a soft dismissal while referring to the third umpire and even the third umpire in his eyes cannot see the ball landing because he might be thinking Malan has extra long fingers than normal and then it was inconclusive to make a decision so that the on field umpire decision stays should change as the on field umpire has no clue or view about the catch and with these technological advantage they should not make these blunders.

Even a school kid would have the insight what a third umpire did not have in this decision Cheesy

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This was the first match in the series where the team batting first won. Its good to see a series go down to the final match as most series are wrapped up early on. Its hard to say which team can win the series as both teams have played well but I would have to go with the home team to get it done. Kohli failed to score runs in this match however I think he has had a good series scoring two half centuries.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 18, 2021, 12:46:47 PM

Lord Shardul made a game with 2 back to back wickets but lord Shardul also gave a good scare in the last over lol.

Series is 2-2 now

Lord Shardul? Lol. I was surprised to see him remove 2 big power hitters back to back, but I wasn't surprised to see him bowl badly against Archer in the final over. He is a wicket-taker, but he is also a run leaker. Excited for the final.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on March 18, 2021, 12:47:12 PM

Hardik Pandya once again surprised everyone with his tight bowling and he picked up two important wickets (Jason Roy and Sam Curran).

Pandya bowled well, but the best bowler was Bhuvi all the way just like in recent matches. After Bumrah, I regard him as the best death bowler in Indian cricket currently.

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Turned out to be a very close match, but India somehow managed to pull it back in the end. England must be regretting about the unnecessary runs they gave away during the final overs of Indian innings. Hardik Pandya once again surprised everyone with his tight bowling and he picked up two important wickets (Jason Roy and Sam Curran). It is nothing short of amazing, to concede just 4 runs per over in a match where the required run rate was close to 10.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on March 18, 2021, 12:25:55 PM

Any opinion about the blunder of the third umpire on Suryakumar Yadav dismissal, the ball clearly was not caught cleanly and yet the third umpire gave him out as the video evidence was not conclusive because the on field umpire gave soft dismissal. They need to change the law to mandate soft signal from the field umpire as there is no way they could see that catch in the boundary.

Cut some slack to third umpire, do you know how tough is to take shitty decision and stand against the rules of logic. Grin

Lord Shardul made a game with 2 back to back wickets but lord Shardul also gave a good scare in the last over lol.

Series is 2-2 now

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1st T-20 - Eng won the toss and won convincingly.
2nd T-20 - Ind won the toss and again one-sided game
3rd T-20- - Eng won the toss and duh...

This Eng vs Ind T-20 series setting a weird template. Strategy from the both captains is, let's win the toss and ball first, easy peasy Grin

. 3 games and we are yet to watch any real contest, let's hope this pattern ends here.

The pattern continues, Virat Kohli will be praying to win the toss so that he will be able to chase and level the series. The toss is a major part and the pitch might be easier to chase at night. During the IPL it will be interesting to see whether the pattern continues and most probably if matches are played here i will pick the team chasing Grin

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That's a good prediction for selecting odds. Today the fourth T20 is taking place on the same Narendra Modi Stadium. With this match we can get into the conclusion about the odds selection. You could try betting on today's match once after the toss. Team chasing will be the winner.

Yeah, last three matches the team that won the toss won the match. There are still two more matches left in this tournament and I hope this situation changes with the two upcoming matches. Except for Virat Kohli every Indian team player and fans will be praying for him to win the toss.

As you've mentioned the winning phenomena has got changed. India have won the match batting first. Anyhow it was a close match, and I thought Sam Curran would take the match to the winning. Fortunately, he got dismissed and Archer tried his best. Anyhow the final match will be very interesting and both teams will give their best to win the series.

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The match is on the line as England needs 46 runs from the last 4 overs and they still have Ben Stokes and Morgan in the crease and if India could pick a wicket now they will have the advantage and put more pressure on England.

Any opinion about the blunder of the third umpire on Suryakumar Yadav dismissal, the ball clearly was not caught cleanly and yet the third umpire gave him out as the video evidence was not conclusive because the on field umpire gave soft dismissal. They need to change the law to mandate soft signal from the field umpire as there is no way they could see that catch in the boundary.

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The loss of three wickets at the critical situation have paved path for the win of India. As of now England requires 46 runs from 22 balls and four wickets in hand. This is a pressure situation for England, maybe few sixes right now will ease the match. If there happens one or two more wickets it'll ease the winning for India. Anyhow this time it looks like a new history in the ground.

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