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Its obvious that some matches between these countries will be one sided and other will be thrillers. You will not find all the matches to be nail biting one. Even, you will find some one sided matches between England, Australia and India too but the ratio will be less.

When was the last time you had witnessed a one sided match between England, Australia or India? This why I have argued in favor of two divisions of test cricket. The first division should comprise of 4 teams, i.e the Pig 3 + New Zealand. The second division should comprise of the remaining 8 teams. This should help in reducing the incidence of one sided matches. We can even have 3 divisions, with 4 teams each.

I Believe in next edition of World Test Championship ICC going to tweak lots of things and number of tests fixture going to be one of them. Most probably every nation would play same number of tests and its safe to say that group system formula still decade away as there is no such discussion taking place in the cricketing world.

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Its obvious that some matches between these countries will be one sided and other will be thrillers. You will not find all the matches to be nail biting one. Even, you will find some one sided matches between England, Australia and India too but the ratio will be less.

When was the last time you had witnessed a one sided match between England, Australia or India? This why I have argued in favor of two divisions of test cricket. The first division should comprise of 4 teams, i.e the Pig 3 + New Zealand. The second division should comprise of the remaining 8 teams. This should help in reducing the incidence of one sided matches. We can even have 3 divisions, with 4 teams each.

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When playing good in a T20 tournament fetches you good money and spot recognition why will these younger players concentrate on longer format? There are more fans of T20 globally than five days tournament and that is one of the primary reason these younger guys are concentrating and putting more effort in the shorter format. BCCI will only concentrate on format that earns them a lot of money and viewership. So, I doubt they will be focusing more in the loger format.

Financially, the T20 format may be important for the cricketers. But if they are more concerned about the fame, then they should not overlook the longer format. When someone talks about the stats (highest number of runs, top wicket takers), they always mention about these stats from the test cricket. I have almost never heard about anyone talking about the T20I stats.

I think all three formats of the cricket are important and therefore we see all the series consists of T20, One day and test matches. Each game has its own importance and give you entertainment. You will never feel bored if you are seeing a test match between nations like India and Australia.

Test matches in India, Australia, England and New Zealand are very enjoyable. But Test matches in other countries are not exciting. Countries like Bangladesh, West Indies and Sri Lanka are far behind in the Test format. When these countries host a Test series with Australia or England the series becomes very one-sided. ODI or t20 matches are much more exciting than this and everyone enjoys it.

But what about the countries like Sri, WI, Bangladesh play test series between them. Since these countries have similar sort of talent, the test matches will still be interesting however the audience will be limited to only the playing nations only.

When these teams play test matches between them, it gets to be more interesting on few matches and used to go one sided in few matches. In any one of the match Bangladesh will make promising win against the Sri Lanka or West Indies. This will be enjoyed by the entire country, but the very next match goes very worse. This is where the interesting thing of the match gets lost.

Its obvious that some matches between these countries will be one sided and other will be thrillers. You will not find all the matches to be nail biting one. Even, you will find some one sided matches between England, Australia and India too but the ratio will be less.

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I don't think India will win a Test match against Australia. India did not perform as well as expected in the ODIs. They played great in T20 series. I think they played IPL recently so they have been able to do so excellent performance in T20 series. But Test matches are completely different from ODI and T20. At the Australian home ground, it is very difficult to win a Test match against Australia.

I think they might win 1 or 2 test matches at the very least since Kohli will be playing in the first test while Sharma and Pujara will be back in the squad. Also, the winning momentum is equally distributed between both teams currently.

Australia also has potential weaknesses which India will try to exploit. I am predicting a 2-2 draw since both teams are coming in hot.

I don't think India will be able to win a Test or a match. My prediction is that Australia will win 2 test matches and the other two is drawn. Rohit Sharma will not play. The Indian team will play with a bunch of young players. I think India must have experienced players to win against Australia. Players must have experience playing on the Australian pitch. Because Australian pitches are completely different from Asian pitches.

Teat match is the most difficult form in the cricket game which has been a biggest concern for team India eben though they are one of the best too ranked cricket team but this time they got different bowling line up which could bring some differences in my opinion in this format because the squad contains experienced as well as young talent but need to follow different strategies here. If Indian bowlers post good performance then team India has some chance to seal this series for sure.

I can't agree with your thought. If only Indian bowlers do well, India has no chance of winning. Indian batsmen also have to perform well. Most of the batsmen in the Indian squad are young. Their test playing experience against any big teams is low. And this is why I don't think India will be able to win against Australia.

Well there is not enough experience in the squad but there is no compromise in their skills and also some test specialist batsmen are also available in the squad for the test squad so scoring runs won't be a big problem, avoid the practice match on it main batsmen are not playing that is why they are playing awfully.

When a team wants to win a test match then they should have bowlers who is capable of taking 29 wickets or else the match eill end uo in draw no matter how much high scores are scored by the team.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on December 10, 2020, 09:26:26 AM

Test matches in India, Australia, England and New Zealand are very enjoyable. But Test matches in other countries are not exciting. Countries like Bangladesh, West Indies and Sri Lanka are far behind in the Test format. When these countries host a Test series with Australia or England the series becomes very one-sided. ODI or t20 matches are much more exciting than this and everyone enjoys it.

Bangladesh was never a major powerhouse and the ban on Shakib al Hassan made the matters even worse. Sri Lanka is still recovering from the 3-decade civil war and their talent pool is not very big. Pakistan is facing financial crunch, due to their ability to host matches at home (until very recently). And we all know what is the real issue with West Indies, where the players prefer franchise cricket over national duty. And the less talked about South Africa, that much better. South Africa were among the top sides two decades back. What happened after that can be solely blamed on the cricket board.

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I think upcoming T-20 WC might change the tide. If India lose then there are high chance of Shastri getting sacked as no one in BCCI holds favorable opinion about him especially Ganguly and everyone might start thinking beyond Kohli in the limited over cricket.

Kohli is panuti when it comes to big tournaments be it Champions trophy final, Semis of WC and almost every season of IPL.

Ganguly and the other BCCI officials have avoided open confrontation with Kohli, who has a reputation of being short-tempered. So I am not sure there will be any change, even if they perform poorly during the T20 World Cup. Selecting a coach, who doesn't dance to the tunes of Kohli will be huge. Attempts were made earlier, but they were not successful.

If they are not reaching in Semis then i think this time voice against Virat's captaincy going to be very loud and rightly so. We are surely going to see some drastic changes in the support staff if Virat fail to produce some result as Captain.

Virat's captaincy is not good as like Dhoni, but still, Virat is a good captain. If the players of the team fail to perform well, no matter how good the captain is, the team will not win. India has successfully completed the T20 series. Let's see what the results of the test series are.

This up coming twenty/20 world cup is going to be very cruicial for Virat Kohli and Shastri because if they fail to produce any good result then surely both are going to be in hot water as many baord officials are going to against them and this can create some serious trouble for both these now time for them to bring some big silverware back at home for own safety.

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I think upcoming T-20 WC might change the tide. If India lose then there are high chance of Shastri getting sacked as no one in BCCI holds favorable opinion about him especially Ganguly and everyone might start thinking beyond Kohli in the limited over cricket.

Kohli is panuti when it comes to big tournaments be it Champions trophy final, Semis of WC and almost every season of IPL.

Ganguly and the other BCCI officials have avoided open confrontation with Kohli, who has a reputation of being short-tempered. So I am not sure there will be any change, even if they perform poorly during the T20 World Cup. Selecting a coach, who doesn't dance to the tunes of Kohli will be huge. Attempts were made earlier, but they were not successful.

If they are not reaching in Semis then i think this time voice against Virat's captaincy going to be very loud and rightly so. We are surely going to see some drastic changes in the support staff if Virat fail to produce some result as Captain.

Virat's captaincy is not good as like Dhoni, but still, Virat is a good captain. If the players of the team fail to perform well, no matter how good the captain is, the team will not win. India has successfully completed the T20 series. Let's see what the results of the test series are.

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I think upcoming T-20 WC might change the tide. If India lose then there are high chance of Shastri getting sacked as no one in BCCI holds favorable opinion about him especially Ganguly and everyone might start thinking beyond Kohli in the limited over cricket.

Kohli is panuti when it comes to big tournaments be it Champions trophy final, Semis of WC and almost every season of IPL.

Ganguly and the other BCCI officials have avoided open confrontation with Kohli, who has a reputation of being short-tempered. So I am not sure there will be any change, even if they perform poorly during the T20 World Cup. Selecting a coach, who doesn't dance to the tunes of Kohli will be huge. Attempts were made earlier, but they were not successful.

If they are not reaching in Semis then i think this time voice against Virat's captaincy going to be very loud and rightly so. We are surely going to see some drastic changes in the support staff if Virat fail to produce some result as Captain.

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When playing good in a T20 tournament fetches you good money and spot recognition why will these younger players concentrate on longer format? There are more fans of T20 globally than five days tournament and that is one of the primary reason these younger guys are concentrating and putting more effort in the shorter format. BCCI will only concentrate on format that earns them a lot of money and viewership. So, I doubt they will be focusing more in the loger format.

Financially, the T20 format may be important for the cricketers. But if they are more concerned about the fame, then they should not overlook the longer format. When someone talks about the stats (highest number of runs, top wicket takers), they always mention about these stats from the test cricket. I have almost never heard about anyone talking about the T20I stats.

I think all three formats of the cricket are important and therefore we see all the series consists of T20, One day and test matches. Each game has its own importance and give you entertainment. You will never feel bored if you are seeing a test match between nations like India and Australia.

Test matches in India, Australia, England and New Zealand are very enjoyable. But Test matches in other countries are not exciting. Countries like Bangladesh, West Indies and Sri Lanka are far behind in the Test format. When these countries host a Test series with Australia or England the series becomes very one-sided. ODI or t20 matches are much more exciting than this and everyone enjoys it.

But what about the countries like Sri, WI, Bangladesh play test series between them. Since these countries have similar sort of talent, the test matches will still be interesting however the audience will be limited to only the playing nations only.

When these teams play test matches between them, it gets to be more interesting on few matches and used to go one sided in few matches. In any one of the match Bangladesh will make promising win against the Sri Lanka or West Indies. This will be enjoyed by the entire country, but the very next match goes very worse. This is where the interesting thing of the match gets lost.

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When playing good in a T20 tournament fetches you good money and spot recognition why will these younger players concentrate on longer format? There are more fans of T20 globally than five days tournament and that is one of the primary reason these younger guys are concentrating and putting more effort in the shorter format. BCCI will only concentrate on format that earns them a lot of money and viewership. So, I doubt they will be focusing more in the loger format.

Financially, the T20 format may be important for the cricketers. But if they are more concerned about the fame, then they should not overlook the longer format. When someone talks about the stats (highest number of runs, top wicket takers), they always mention about these stats from the test cricket. I have almost never heard about anyone talking about the T20I stats.

I think all three formats of the cricket are important and therefore we see all the series consists of T20, One day and test matches. Each game has its own importance and give you entertainment. You will never feel bored if you are seeing a test match between nations like India and Australia.

Test matches in India, Australia, England and New Zealand are very enjoyable. But Test matches in other countries are not exciting. Countries like Bangladesh, West Indies and Sri Lanka are far behind in the Test format. When these countries host a Test series with Australia or England the series becomes very one-sided. ODI or t20 matches are much more exciting than this and everyone enjoys it.

But what about the countries like Sri, WI, Bangladesh play test series between them. Since these countries have similar sort of talent, the test matches will still be interesting however the audience will be limited to only the playing nations only.

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When playing good in a T20 tournament fetches you good money and spot recognition why will these younger players concentrate on longer format? There are more fans of T20 globally than five days tournament and that is one of the primary reason these younger guys are concentrating and putting more effort in the shorter format. BCCI will only concentrate on format that earns them a lot of money and viewership. So, I doubt they will be focusing more in the loger format.

Financially, the T20 format may be important for the cricketers. But if they are more concerned about the fame, then they should not overlook the longer format. When someone talks about the stats (highest number of runs, top wicket takers), they always mention about these stats from the test cricket. I have almost never heard about anyone talking about the T20I stats.

I think all three formats of the cricket are important and therefore we see all the series consists of T20, One day and test matches. Each game has its own importance and give you entertainment. You will never feel bored if you are seeing a test match between nations like India and Australia.

Test matches in India, Australia, England and New Zealand are very enjoyable. But Test matches in other countries are not exciting. Countries like Bangladesh, West Indies and Sri Lanka are far behind in the Test format. When these countries host a Test series with Australia or England the series becomes very one-sided. ODI or t20 matches are much more exciting than this and everyone enjoys it.

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I think upcoming T-20 WC might change the tide. If India lose then there are high chance of Shastri getting sacked as no one in BCCI holds favorable opinion about him especially Ganguly and everyone might start thinking beyond Kohli in the limited over cricket.

Kohli is panuti when it comes to big tournaments be it Champions trophy final, Semis of WC and almost every season of IPL.

Ganguly and the other BCCI officials have avoided open confrontation with Kohli, who has a reputation of being short-tempered. So I am not sure there will be any change, even if they perform poorly during the T20 World Cup. Selecting a coach, who doesn't dance to the tunes of Kohli will be huge. Attempts were made earlier, but they were not successful.

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When playing good in a T20 tournament fetches you good money and spot recognition why will these younger players concentrate on longer format? There are more fans of T20 globally than five days tournament and that is one of the primary reason these younger guys are concentrating and putting more effort in the shorter format. BCCI will only concentrate on format that earns them a lot of money and viewership. So, I doubt they will be focusing more in the loger format.

Financially, the T20 format may be important for the cricketers. But if they are more concerned about the fame, then they should not overlook the longer format. When someone talks about the stats (highest number of runs, top wicket takers), they always mention about these stats from the test cricket. I have almost never heard about anyone talking about the T20I stats.

I think all three formats of the cricket are important and therefore we see all the series consists of T20, One day and test matches. Each game has its own importance and give you entertainment. You will never feel bored if you are seeing a test match between nations like India and Australia.

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May be, may be not.

Apart from his decision making at the field, i am not impressed with coaching staff selection as well. We have Indian coach who acts likes cheer leader and his supporting staff are selected because they are loyalist. Bowling coach is good but others seems average. One example is Virat and Shashtri rejected Jonty Rhodes as fielding coach.

I don't think that the situation is going to change anytime soon. Damaadji (Shastri) was selected as the coach, mostly due to his unwavering loyalty to Kohli and other biggies within the Indian team. Now everything is going in the right direction for the Indian team, and they are winning matches. At this point, even the BCCI bosses would be reluctant to antagonize Kohli.

I think upcoming T-20 WC might change the tide. If India lose then there are high chance of Shastri getting sacked as no one in BCCI holds favorable opinion about him especially Ganguly and everyone might start thinking beyond Kohli in the limited over cricket.

Kohli is panuti when it comes to big tournaments be it Champions trophy final, Semis of WC and almost every season of IPL.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on December 09, 2020, 10:56:42 PM

When playing good in a T20 tournament fetches you good money and spot recognition why will these younger players concentrate on longer format? There are more fans of T20 globally than five days tournament and that is one of the primary reason these younger guys are concentrating and putting more effort in the shorter format. BCCI will only concentrate on format that earns them a lot of money and viewership. So, I doubt they will be focusing more in the loger format.

Financially, the T20 format may be important for the cricketers. But if they are more concerned about the fame, then they should not overlook the longer format. When someone talks about the stats (highest number of runs, top wicket takers), they always mention about these stats from the test cricket. I have almost never heard about anyone talking about the T20I stats.

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I can't agree with your thought. If only Indian bowlers do well, India has no chance of winning. Indian batsmen also have to perform well. Most of the batsmen in the Indian squad are young. Their test playing experience against any big teams is low. And this is why I don't think India will be able to win against Australia.

How many of these younger players actually concentrate on the longer format? Many of them are very good in the T20 format, but their skills for the longer format is not that great. Most of them doesn't even participate in the 4-day domestic tournament (Ranji Trophy) and the BCCI is also not taking any steps to rectify this. For this year, we don't even know whether the Ranji Trophy tournament will take place or not.

When playing good in a T20 tournament fetches you good money and spot recognition why will these younger players concentrate on longer format? There are more fans of T20 globally than five days tournament and that is one of the primary reason these younger guys are concentrating and putting more effort in the shorter format. BCCI will only concentrate on format that earns them a lot of money and viewership. So, I doubt they will be focusing more in the loger format.

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I can't agree with your thought. If only Indian bowlers do well, India has no chance of winning. Indian batsmen also have to perform well. Most of the batsmen in the Indian squad are young. Their test playing experience against any big teams is low. And this is why I don't think India will be able to win against Australia.

How many of these younger players actually concentrate on the longer format? Many of them are very good in the T20 format, but their skills for the longer format is not that great. Most of them doesn't even participate in the 4-day domestic tournament (Ranji Trophy) and the BCCI is also not taking any steps to rectify this. For this year, we don't even know whether the Ranji Trophy tournament will take place or not.

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I don't think India will win a Test match against Australia. India did not perform as well as expected in the ODIs. They played great in T20 series. I think they played IPL recently so they have been able to do so excellent performance in T20 series. But Test matches are completely different from ODI and T20. At the Australian home ground, it is very difficult to win a Test match against Australia.

I think they might win 1 or 2 test matches at the very least since Kohli will be playing in the first test while Sharma and Pujara will be back in the squad. Also, the winning momentum is equally distributed between both teams currently.

Australia also has potential weaknesses which India will try to exploit. I am predicting a 2-2 draw since both teams are coming in hot.

I don't think India will be able to win a Test or a match. My prediction is that Australia will win 2 test matches and the other two is drawn. Rohit Sharma will not play. The Indian team will play with a bunch of young players. I think India must have experienced players to win against Australia. Players must have experience playing on the Australian pitch. Because Australian pitches are completely different from Asian pitches.

Teat match is the most difficult form in the cricket game which has been a biggest concern for team India eben though they are one of the best too ranked cricket team but this time they got different bowling line up which could bring some differences in my opinion in this format because the squad contains experienced as well as young talent but need to follow different strategies here. If Indian bowlers post good performance then team India has some chance to seal this series for sure.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 09, 2020, 12:41:42 AM

May be, may be not.

Apart from his decision making at the field, i am not impressed with coaching staff selection as well. We have Indian coach who acts likes cheer leader and his supporting staff are selected because they are loyalist. Bowling coach is good but others seems average. One example is Virat and Shashtri rejected Jonty Rhodes as fielding coach.

I don't think that the situation is going to change anytime soon. Damaadji (Shastri) was selected as the coach, mostly due to his unwavering loyalty to Kohli and other biggies within the Indian team. Now everything is going in the right direction for the Indian team, and they are winning matches. At this point, even the BCCI bosses would be reluctant to antagonize Kohli.

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He did okay captaincy in last WC though but India always reach in semis no matter who captaining the Indian side so i agree in limited over cricket he mess things up regularly. Only Rohit Sharma has capability of replacing him in the shorter format, Dhawan is big no as he can't even lead team in the franchise level.

I also believe that Rohit Sharma can be a good replacement. But then, Virat has captained the Indian team for such a long time. Critics may argue that it can have a negative impact on team bonding and morale (although Rohit has been a regular member of the squad for many years). And then there is always the concern that Rohit and Virat may form their own closed groups, just like the case we had when Dhoni was playing for India.

May be, may be not.

Apart from his decision making at the field, i am not impressed with coaching staff selection as well. We have Indian coach who acts likes cheer leader and his supporting staff are selected because they are loyalist. Bowling coach is good but others seems average. One example is Virat and Shashtri rejected Jonty Rhodes as fielding coach.

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