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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on April 04, 2020, 12:39:10 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on April 03, 2020, 06:28:21 PM

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Who gets the WC rights or not? its not upto BCCI per se but ICC voting committee and bidding. I am all up for BCCI bashing anytime but i suggest please use better argument and keep emotions on check.

I agree with the last paragraph of your post. Let the hosting rights be decided on the basis of voting. In case Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh could make a joint bid, then they may get 3 assured votes (out of a total of 14?). If they could persuade Afghanistan by giving them the rights to host one or two games, then it gets to 4 out of 14. 4 more are needed and I don't think that it will be very difficult for them. They can get support from countries such as Ireland, if they are generous enough to allow a bilateral tour.

I guess for selection there is already one dedicated panel which evaluate all the proposal and rotation policy. Plus not sure if any country has any say in it or voting works this way, So can't add anything but will look into this topic.

As far as i know WC tournament are the main source of income for ICC and that's where they generate their revenue which gets distributed to all the countries. We can only imagine if by any chance something goes wrong with the ICC tournament then small cricket board might get bankrupt as they are solely depended on ICC revenue model.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on April 04, 2020, 12:42:56 PM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on April 04, 2020, 12:39:10 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on April 03, 2020, 06:28:21 PM

With all due respect, You don't need to play victim card for starters. BCCI didn't attack the SriLankan team in pakistan, Taliban did! that's why Pakistan didn't get the hosting rights and ICC kicked them out because no team wanted to tour Pakistan and if you want to blame India for this then you are free to do so..

Who gets the WC rights or not? its not upto BCCI per se but ICC voting committee and bidding. I am all up for BCCI bashing anytime but i suggest please use better argument and keep emotions on check.

I agree with the last paragraph of your post. Let the hosting rights be decided on the basis of voting. In case Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh could make a joint bid, then they may get 3 assured votes (out of a total of 14?). If they could persuade Afghanistan by giving them the rights to host one or two games, then it gets to 4 out of 14. 4 more are needed and I don't think that it will be very difficult for them. They can get support from countries such as Ireland, if they are generous enough to allow a bilateral tour.

There is a security issue in Afghanistan and the same is with Pakistan. These boards first need to convince other cricket playing nation that they are safe for their players before they decide to bid for a cricket tournament.

Dear Friend please check all realities there is no comparison between Pakistan and Afghanistan situation Pakistan was facing some proxy war from USA, India and Afghanistan so just because of this all Pakistan was in War but now in recent years all is normal and its never been fair to compare these two countries in security issues as India is doing their best for terror attacks in Pakistan through Afghanistan as they have some strong background in this all which was some cleared by Pakistan as Kalbushan was arrested and now its in under control.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on April 04, 2020, 12:39:10 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on April 03, 2020, 06:28:21 PM

With all due respect, You don't need to play victim card for starters. BCCI didn't attack the SriLankan team in pakistan, Taliban did! that's why Pakistan didn't get the hosting rights and ICC kicked them out because no team wanted to tour Pakistan and if you want to blame India for this then you are free to do so..

Who gets the WC rights or not? its not upto BCCI per se but ICC voting committee and bidding. I am all up for BCCI bashing anytime but i suggest please use better argument and keep emotions on check.

I agree with the last paragraph of your post. Let the hosting rights be decided on the basis of voting. In case Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh could make a joint bid, then they may get 3 assured votes (out of a total of 14?). If they could persuade Afghanistan by giving them the rights to host one or two games, then it gets to 4 out of 14. 4 more are needed and I don't think that it will be very difficult for them. They can get support from countries such as Ireland, if they are generous enough to allow a bilateral tour.

There is a security issue in Afghanistan and the same is with Pakistan. These boards first need to convince other cricket playing nation that they are safe for their players before they decide to bid for a cricket tournament.

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Quote from: ene1980 on April 03, 2020, 06:49:07 PM

Are these Indigenous people in India for not cooperating with doctors during an epidemic situation.

They behave like indigenous people but the truth is that they lack common sense and there were incidents where the medical teams were pelted with stones and attacked them when they went about to check them.

Quote from: JSRAW on April 03, 2020, 10:02:02 PM

Somehow they thinks that God is going to save them or they can't get COVID-19. Keeping it short as this is not the right thread or might be off topic.

The problem is that COVID does not have a religion . The stupidity we are seeing in some areas are just ridiculous. Even a couple of days back during Ram Navami there were thousands of people standing close to each other in temples and the Nizamuddin event, not sure what these fools are thinking.

Quote from: UmerIdrees on April 03, 2020, 01:15:58 PM

In 2011, The world cup in 2011 was hosted by Bangladesh, India & Sri Lanka and they eliminated Pakistan. Now in 2023, they will alone host the World Cup, the Indians and they do not care if 3 others nearby cricketing nations wont get any matches and participation in it. How selfish would that be Angry

The rest of the World cup tournaments were shared and India is power house and this is the first time they will be hosting the entire matches in India and if the other boards wanted the opportunity they would have made a bid. Money plays a major role and ICC wants the maximum profit and if any other country can put up the numbers then they will get the opportunity as well Wink

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 03, 2020, 06:28:21 PM

With all due respect, You don't need to play victim card for starters. BCCI didn't attack the SriLankan team in pakistan, Taliban did! that's why Pakistan didn't get the hosting rights and ICC kicked them out because no team wanted to tour Pakistan and if you want to blame India for this then you are free to do so..

Who gets the WC rights or not? its not upto BCCI per se but ICC voting committee and bidding. I am all up for BCCI bashing anytime but i suggest please use better argument and keep emotions on check.

I agree with the last paragraph of your post. Let the hosting rights be decided on the basis of voting. In case Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh could make a joint bid, then they may get 3 assured votes (out of a total of 14?). If they could persuade Afghanistan by giving them the rights to host one or two games, then it gets to 4 out of 14. 4 more are needed and I don't think that it will be very difficult for them. They can get support from countries such as Ireland, if they are generous enough to allow a bilateral tour.

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Quote from: ene1980 on April 03, 2020, 06:49:07 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on April 03, 2020, 06:28:21 PM

Indymoney was talking about domestic situation that's why i pointed out the stupidity of the subcontinent. For example just look at the quakery of Tablighi Jamaat in India. Not cooperating with the doctors, authorities, harassing hospital staff and nurses by showing off their genitals etc.

Are these Indigenous people in India for not cooperating with doctors during an epidemic situation. You really need to have the patience to treat people of that sort to make them understand about the situation that is going on, i wonder how they are exposed to the virus because these people live a isolated life than the rest of the population.

Not Indigenous people but religious group (Islamic missionary movement/ Preachers). Somehow they thinks that God is going to save them or they can't get COVID-19. Keeping it short as this is not the right thread or might be off topic.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 03, 2020, 06:28:21 PM

Indymoney was talking about domestic situation that's why i pointed out the stupidity of the subcontinent. For example just look at the quakery of Tablighi Jamaat in India. Not cooperating with the doctors, authorities, harassing hospital staff and nurses by showing off their genitals etc.

Are these Indigenous people in India for not cooperating with doctors during an epidemic situation. You really need to have the patience to treat people of that sort to make them understand about the situation that is going on, i wonder how they are exposed to the virus because these people live a isolated life than the rest of the population.

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Quote from: Indymoney on March 31, 2020, 07:13:29 AM

Locked down surely going to extend as cases increasing and peoples not taking this all seriously because domesticly we have many issues which are also need some good intention from us.

Sub-continent is filled with Stupid peoples be it India or Pakistan both are same in this manner, Its the poor people who gets the heat always and get rekt.

Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on April 03, 2020, 03:22:18 PM

That is the situation globally, you cannot pin point the level of stupidity to a certain geographical location Cheesy

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Indymoney was talking about domestic situation that's why i pointed out the stupidity of the subcontinent. For example just look at the quakery of Tablighi Jamaat in India. Not cooperating with the doctors, authorities, harassing hospital staff and nurses by showing off their genitals etc.

Quote from: UmerIdrees on April 03, 2020, 01:15:58 PM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on April 03, 2020, 12:10:11 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on April 02, 2020, 01:41:28 PM

^^ PCB was trying hard for Asia Cup but BCCI already shoot them down for obvious reason and they are not going to visit there anytime soon so we can rule this possibility out.

For ICC tournament one possibility seems manageable if any 3 subcontinent countries bids for joint hosting rights? for ex; Ban-SL-Pak ? then Pakistan can host few WC games.

Well.. why not?

IMO, it may be an excellent idea for PCB, SLCB and BCB to make a joint bid for the major ICC tournaments. BCCI is extremely powerful and they don't need to make a joint bid. But that is not the case with these countries (Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Pakistan). In case they could bid successfully, then I would really like to have one or two matches being staged in Afghanistan and Nepal as well. That can give a huge boost to the popularity of cricket in these nations.

I am not sure which world are you living in. In 2011, The world cup in 2011 was hosted by Bangladesh, India & Sri Lanka and they eliminated Pakistan. Now in 2023, they will alone host the World Cup, the Indians and they do not care if 3 others nearby cricketing nations wont get any matches and participation in it. How selfish would that be Angry

With all due respect, You don't need to play victim card for starters. BCCI didn't attack the SriLankan team in pakistan, Taliban did! that's why Pakistan didn't get the hosting rights and ICC kicked them out because no team wanted to tour Pakistan and if you want to blame India for this then you are free to do so..

Who gets the WC rights or not? its not upto BCCI per se but ICC voting committee and bidding. I am all up for BCCI bashing anytime but i suggest please use better argument and keep emotions on check.

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on April 03, 2020, 03:22:18 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on March 31, 2020, 06:55:56 PM

Sub-continent is filled with Stupid peoples be it India or Pakistan both are same in this manner, Its the poor people who gets the heat always and get rekt.

That is the situation globally, you cannot pin point the level of stupidity to a certain geographical location Cheesy

, the situation of poor people is the same globally and they are the ones that will suffer the most, even during this lockdown they are the worst affected people because majority live for daily wages and with the situation getting worse how they are going to survive is a big question.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on April 03, 2020, 12:46:08 PM

I am sad about Afghanistan. There are millions of cricket fans there. Because of the security situation, the cricket board has moved the home matches to India and therefore 99.99% of the natives can't watch their team in action. What happened in Pakistan is very encouraging. The security situation has improved there and teams such as Sri Lanka and Bangladesh are touring that country. I hope that the same can happen with Afghanistan as well.

The situation in Afghanistan is different and we cannot expect things to be different any time soon, even the US was not able to control the Taliban and with that the case the idea of some country touring Afghanistan is out of the picture.

@Clement Kaliyar you are right poor peoples suffering very badly due to this locked down today I have really frustrated day as one person near to me commit suicide as he fail to bring food for his kids really feeling bad for him and family but cannot do any thing as officials doing all things in media and in practical they fail to give any positive way for poor peoples its almost 14 days and we have news that this will go for more 2 weeks mean many causalties are in line really worst days of life right now.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 31, 2020, 06:55:56 PM

Sub-continent is filled with Stupid peoples be it India or Pakistan both are same in this manner, Its the poor people who gets the heat always and get rekt.

That is the situation globally, you cannot pin point the level of stupidity to a certain geographical location Cheesy

, the situation of poor people is the same globally and they are the ones that will suffer the most, even during this lockdown they are the worst affected people because majority live for daily wages and with the situation getting worse how they are going to survive is a big question.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on April 03, 2020, 12:46:08 PM

I am sad about Afghanistan. There are millions of cricket fans there. Because of the security situation, the cricket board has moved the home matches to India and therefore 99.99% of the natives can't watch their team in action. What happened in Pakistan is very encouraging. The security situation has improved there and teams such as Sri Lanka and Bangladesh are touring that country. I hope that the same can happen with Afghanistan as well.

The situation in Afghanistan is different and we cannot expect things to be different any time soon, even the US was not able to control the Taliban and with that the case the idea of some country touring Afghanistan is out of the picture.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on April 03, 2020, 01:15:58 PM

I am not sure which world are you living in. In 2011, The world cup in 2011 was hosted by Bangladesh, India & Sri Lanka and they eliminated Pakistan. Now in 2023, they will alone host the World Cup, the Indians and they do not care if 3 others nearby cricketing nations wont get any matches and participation in it. How selfish would that be Angry

Well.. I am aware of what happened in 2011, and at the same time I am aware of the changed scenario for 2023. And that's the reason why I was in favor of a combined bid by Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Since Sri Lanka and Bangladesh are no longer favored by India (the BCCI rather), they should make a deal with the PCB and look forward to making a joint bid. I don't think that any of these three nations will be better all alone.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on April 03, 2020, 12:10:11 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on April 02, 2020, 01:41:28 PM

^^ PCB was trying hard for Asia Cup but BCCI already shoot them down for obvious reason and they are not going to visit there anytime soon so we can rule this possibility out.

For ICC tournament one possibility seems manageable if any 3 subcontinent countries bids for joint hosting rights? for ex; Ban-SL-Pak ? then Pakistan can host few WC games.

Well.. why not?

IMO, it may be an excellent idea for PCB, SLCB and BCB to make a joint bid for the major ICC tournaments. BCCI is extremely powerful and they don't need to make a joint bid. But that is not the case with these countries (Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Pakistan). In case they could bid successfully, then I would really like to have one or two matches being staged in Afghanistan and Nepal as well. That can give a huge boost to the popularity of cricket in these nations.

I am not sure which world are you living in. In 2011, The world cup in 2011 was hosted by Bangladesh, India & Sri Lanka and they eliminated Pakistan. Now in 2023, they will alone host the World Cup, the Indians and they do not care if 3 others nearby cricketing nations wont get any matches and participation in it. How selfish would that be Angry

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on April 03, 2020, 12:46:08 PM

Quote from: BitSat19 on April 03, 2020, 12:32:41 PM

If I am right then SLB can go ahead with idea like this but for BCB its not easy as they are very strongly under Indian influence they never been go with Pakistan so still its not going to happen and Nepal is good good option but Afghanistan is also not good enough for next few years as they are still not going with any agreement between Government and Taliban.

I am sad about Afghanistan. There are millions of cricket fans there. Because of the security situation, the cricket board has moved the home matches to India and therefore 99.99% of the natives can't watch their team in action. What happened in Pakistan is very encouraging. The security situation has improved there and teams such as Sri Lanka and Bangladesh are touring that country. I hope that the same can happen with Afghanistan as well.

And regarding BCB's reliance on BCCI, the situation may change in future. If BCCI had so much power and influence, then why couldn't they stop the Bangladeshis from touring Pakistan?

They try their best but Bangladesh was losing points and facing some other fines as well so they do this tour still on official level both governments have not good relationship for long time.

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Quote from: BitSat19 on April 03, 2020, 12:32:41 PM

If I am right then SLB can go ahead with idea like this but for BCB its not easy as they are very strongly under Indian influence they never been go with Pakistan so still its not going to happen and Nepal is good good option but Afghanistan is also not good enough for next few years as they are still not going with any agreement between Government and Taliban.

I am sad about Afghanistan. There are millions of cricket fans there. Because of the security situation, the cricket board has moved the home matches to India and therefore 99.99% of the natives can't watch their team in action. What happened in Pakistan is very encouraging. The security situation has improved there and teams such as Sri Lanka and Bangladesh are touring that country. I hope that the same can happen with Afghanistan as well.

And regarding BCB's reliance on BCCI, the situation may change in future. If BCCI had so much power and influence, then why couldn't they stop the Bangladeshis from touring Pakistan?

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on April 03, 2020, 12:10:11 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on April 02, 2020, 01:41:28 PM

^^ PCB was trying hard for Asia Cup but BCCI already shoot them down for obvious reason and they are not going to visit there anytime soon so we can rule this possibility out.

For ICC tournament one possibility seems manageable if any 3 subcontinent countries bids for joint hosting rights? for ex; Ban-SL-Pak ? then Pakistan can host few WC games.

Well.. why not?

IMO, it may be an excellent idea for PCB, SLCB and BCB to make a joint bid for the major ICC tournaments. BCCI is extremely powerful and they don't need to make a joint bid. But that is not the case with these countries (Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Pakistan). In case they could bid successfully, then I would really like to have one or two matches being staged in Afghanistan and Nepal as well. That can give a huge boost to the popularity of cricket in these nations.

If I am right then SLB can go ahead with idea like this but for BCB its not easy as they are very strongly under Indian influence they never been go with Pakistan so still its not going to happen and Nepal is good good option but Afghanistan is also not good enough for next few years as they are still not going with any agreement between Government and Taliban.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 02, 2020, 01:41:28 PM

^^ PCB was trying hard for Asia Cup but BCCI already shoot them down for obvious reason and they are not going to visit there anytime soon so we can rule this possibility out.

For ICC tournament one possibility seems manageable if any 3 subcontinent countries bids for joint hosting rights? for ex; Ban-SL-Pak ? then Pakistan can host few WC games.

Well.. why not?

IMO, it may be an excellent idea for PCB, SLCB and BCB to make a joint bid for the major ICC tournaments. BCCI is extremely powerful and they don't need to make a joint bid. But that is not the case with these countries (Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Pakistan). In case they could bid successfully, then I would really like to have one or two matches being staged in Afghanistan and Nepal as well. That can give a huge boost to the popularity of cricket in these nations.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on April 03, 2020, 09:31:58 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on April 03, 2020, 08:39:54 AM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on April 03, 2020, 12:32:36 AM

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I doubt srilanka and Bangladesh cricket board will go against Indian cricket board. What ever you are thinking will only be possible if BCCI gives a nod to ICC and other boards, which I am sure will never happen.

PCB has more internal politics than any other board. They had one good opportunity but they lost it because of covid19.

BCCI can't or won't do anything about it because Its all comes to bidding and voting so its very possible scenario. The only thing BCCI can do is bid like rest of the cricketing nations. Its same process for any country who wants to host the WC, already happened countless times.

1987 - India + Pakistan
1992 - Australia + New Zealand
1996 - India + Pakistan+Bangladesh(not sure)

and list goes on...

That was history. There has been no world cup hosted in Pakistan in the 21th century and even if ICC decide to host another worldcup in subcontinent, i am sure they will not allow the matches to be played in Pakistan as BCCI will try to enforce it too. I even think that Bangladesh and Srilanka wont get any matches to host too.

Edit: Just googled and found that 2023 Cricket World Cup will only be held in INDIA

Now ICC is not International Cricket Council its Indian Cricket Council because they are giving big part of revenue and Indian Board never allow any good thing happen to PCB or Pakistan so any even here in Sub-Continent without India is not possible even never happy Asia Cup played in Pakistan so currently talking about any thing related to this is just waste of time.

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Quote from: JSRAW on April 03, 2020, 08:39:54 AM

Quote from: pakhitheboss on April 03, 2020, 12:32:36 AM

~snip~
I doubt srilanka and Bangladesh cricket board will go against Indian cricket board. What ever you are thinking will only be possible if BCCI gives a nod to ICC and other boards, which I am sure will never happen.

PCB has more internal politics than any other board. They had one good opportunity but they lost it because of covid19.

BCCI can't or won't do anything about it because Its all comes to bidding and voting so its very possible scenario. The only thing BCCI can do is bid like rest of the cricketing nations. Its same process for any country who wants to host the WC, already happened countless times.

1987 - India + Pakistan
1992 - Australia + New Zealand
1996 - India + Pakistan+Bangladesh(not sure)

and list goes on...

That was history. There has been no world cup hosted in Pakistan in the 21th century and even if ICC decide to host another worldcup in subcontinent, i am sure they will not allow the matches to be played in Pakistan as BCCI will try to enforce it too. I even think that Bangladesh and Srilanka wont get any matches to host too.

Edit: Just googled and found that 2023 Cricket World Cup will only be held in INDIA

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on April 03, 2020, 12:32:36 AM

~snip~
I doubt srilanka and Bangladesh cricket board will go against Indian cricket board. What ever you are thinking will only be possible if BCCI gives a nod to ICC and other boards, which I am sure will never happen.

PCB has more internal politics than any other board. They had one good opportunity but they lost it because of covid19.

BCCI can't or won't do anything about it because Its all comes to bidding and voting so its very possible scenario. The only thing BCCI can do is bid like rest of the cricketing nations. Its same process for any country who wants to host the WC, already happened countless times.

1987 - India + Pakistan
1992 - Australia + New Zealand
1996 - India + Pakistan+Bangladesh(not sure)

and list goes on...

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Quote from: Indymoney on April 02, 2020, 01:45:05 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on April 02, 2020, 01:41:28 PM

^^ PCB was trying hard for Asia Cup but BCCI already shoot them down for obvious reason and they are not going to visit there anytime soon so we can rule this possibility out.

For ICC tournament one possibility seems manageable if any 3 subcontinent countries bids for joint hosting rights? for ex; Ban-SL-Pak ? then Pakistan can host few WC games.

You mention good point if PCB do some home work then surely they can manage WC event with the help of BAN-SL because these three countries have enough gounds and other structure and India can go alone for this all in future but sadly here we have too much politinal involved so this is also just dream which is very hard to come true.

I doubt srilanka and Bangladesh cricket board will go against Indian cricket board. What ever you are thinking will only be possible if BCCI gives a nod to ICC and other boards, which I am sure will never happen.

PCB has more internal politics than any other board. They had one good opportunity but they lost it because of covid19.

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