Topic: Talking about Atheism... - page 6. (Read 17481 times)

If you care about the truth, you should not be believing in something for which there is no evidence. 

The most honest position is to say: "I don't know.  There is no evidence.  Next question."

Not to say: "I don't know how I know, but I'm going to believe it anyway because I feel like it (or because someone wrote it in a book).  Despite the fact that there is no evidence."

That is the big part of the point. Does God exist or not?

People believe in all kinds of things. Some of them seem absurd to other people. But where is the proof, either way?

Since the atheist knows that he knows that he doesn't have proof that God doesn't exist, that is...

... Since the atheist doesn't have any proof that God doesn't exist on Jupiter, how can the atheist KNOW that God doesn't exist on the planet Jupiter? The atheist realizes that he doesn't know. So, since he knows that he doesn't know, he is aware that God MIGHT exist on the planet Jupiter. Since he knows that God might exist on Jupiter, what is all this atheism talk about?

Atheism has to do with the BELIEF that God doesn't exist. That is what religion and cults are all about... belief.

If the atheist said that God might exist somewhere that he is unaware of, and that he simply doesn't know, the atheist would be right, and he also wouldn't be an atheist. Since the atheist tries to hide the whole idea that God might exist somewhere that he doesn't know about, what, really, is atheism to this kind of atheist? All adamant, forceful, determined atheists are like this.

Atheism is a blunt, disease, religion. At least the other religions admit that they don't have proof that their religion is the way it is, if they don't have proof.

Now you really starting to piss me off.  Who do you think you are?  You are as fucked up as the rest of Muslims and Jews.  You think Christians did great job here in North America?  They have committed a genocide.  You little fuck. - Christians are people. All people do relative good, and all people do relative bad. Christianity is basically about salvation preparation. The Christians who apply the salvation are simply "luckier" than other people. They aren't necessarily better people, although many of them do become better people.

I came from a highly religious family, went through Catholic school system, both primary and secondary, I was an altar boy (luckily for me I was not molested). - Yes, you told us all that a year ago. But I do sympathize with you regarding it. Catholicism isn't really Christianity. It's more like, worship the Pope and the Catholic Church after him.

What I saw, was corruption, abuse on pretty much every level imaginable.  Christian (or any other religious) ideology is based on servitude, on bondage to an invisible sky daddy, pay up and shut up type of scheme.  Fear is the primary tool to get people inline to follow the obvious nonsense. - You are wrong about the invisible sky daddy part. Many Catholic leaders talk about an invisible sky daddy, but they are working for the very visible earth daddy... the Pope.

Years later, after I recovered from the damage my parents and grandparents put me through, I met my "priest".  In a night club, with two hookers by his side.  We talked for a while.  He really told me what the con was all about and how he played it.  He invited me to join him, to help him "hit" the nursing homes and retirement homes.  He was a despicable human being, your worst nightmare.  He would take money (during Sunday mass) from old ladies on fixed income, and blow it on hookers later on in the week. He organized special praying and blessing services for living and dead family members.  Basically, people were giving him money left and right. - This is exactly why Wesley, Luther, and many others started the Protestant churches. They saw the evil that the Catholic Church is, found the truth, and started churches that preach the truth. The biggest chunk of truth that they found was Jesus salvation. While many Catholic parishes in America preach the truth of Jesus, most Catholic churches in Italy, Spain and Portugal don't.

There is absolutely nothing "holy" about any of the human invented religions.  They are all product of human imagination. - Yet the holy God works through all of them, just like He gets His goals accomplished using everything else. His main goal is to give people eternal life in glory. He does it by spreading the good news - the Gospel - of the work that Jesus Christ did on the cross for all people, so that people can believe and be saved.

So once again, stop spreading the nonsense.  If you don't, it makes you an enabler.

Religious ideologies should be outlawed.  A con is a con.  It should be illegal.

Adamant, outspoken atheists don't want to see the proof that atheism is essentially, non existent. They have their religion. They have their cult. They like it that way. They won't listen even if they watch your video completely.

There are only two things that take a person away from believing his cult. The are, great joy, or great pain. If you can make an atheist so happy that he forgets about atheism, you might have a chance. Or you can beat him into subjection, and then he might realize the truth after a while. But you'll never convince him from a video if he doesn't want to be convinced.

Out of the normal relaxed atheism, as it used to be, we seams to have a growing branch of a special "atheists" that act as much as the next religious fanatic!

This "special atheists", pretty much common at US, so we can call them "American Atheists" (or AA) act like if they can't live without strict good and evil, they uphold their beliefs as it were the supreme truth, like to call it facts and often scientific facts to things science doesn't even come close to, such as human philosophic affairs.
Let's then start to examine this "new religion":

- It's mostly based on "studies" from "experts".

As result there are now thousands of concurrent "studies", most without any scientific value at all (sample too small, bias interpretation of data, non-repeatability, and so on) and paradoxical to its peers, and here, as religious do, they cherry pick the "studies" they found convenient to their belief.

- Anyone denying "MY" facts is an idiot.

The "supreme morality" of the group makes them so wise... It looks like they don't believe there's no God, but instead there's a job vacancy for being God and they want to apply for it.

- If you're not with us, then you're against us!

This is common ground to religious fanatics, they deal quite harshly to any criticism on their views. Moderation is out of the scope.

- The Dogma

The so called harmful part of religions isn't their crosses, crescents, yin-yangs or whatever symbols they use, isn't also praying - praying is somewhat the psychologist of the poor -, but the dogma: The incontestable truths they are meant to react violently if challenged! And in here, the AA's have a LOT of them!
Some are taking just as "to look opposite of what they recognize as their opponents", for AA's this means Christians, such as being "pro-choice", others are plain bull as feminism, lgbt rights, free-for-all economics and so on...

It won't surprise me that in a short these groups start to resource terrorism.

Believing in something that is physically provable is a logical position.  

Believing in imaginary, unreal, out of this world nonsense is irrational.

Believing that your imaginary friend is real is just being delusional.

Hearing him/her is a symptom of schizophrenia.