Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network - page 91.

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Quote from: dmitryshech on February 09, 2017, 08:35:31 PM

The "tau" or "root" team will define the rules of changing the rules?

will define the code of the platform itself.
changing the rules is a mechanism to occur in all teams over tau.

Quote from: dmitryshech on February 09, 2017, 08:35:31 PM

Consensus means not contradicting with those rules?

on tau's scope, by consensus i always mean that all (or majority, depends on the case) of relevant participants agree on something.

Quote from: dmitryshech on February 09, 2017, 08:35:31 PM

The very first of those rules will be defined from alpha?

on our new design, all rules can be changed whatsoever in case of consensus, no matter whether they contradict an old rule or not. this is a deeper level of self-amendment comparing to the initial design. you can even replace the whole tau's code, the logic, everything.
let me paste some explanations i gave to someone few days ago:

Quote from: dmitryshech on February 09, 2017, 08:35:31 PM

Anyways.. I probably should hold my horses until the white paper will be released

more questions and thoughts are more than welcome!

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Quote from: ohad on February 09, 2017, 05:33:05 PM

Quote from: dmitryshech on February 09, 2017, 05:21:47 PM

The whole success of Apple vs Nokia was UI/UX.

but never forget: tau will be self defining and self amending. everything will be changeable over time. we will have what we'll call "teams" (like "groups" on facebook), and one team will be called "tau" or "root", and whenever there's a post under consensus there, the system will (almost) automatically reorganize itself to admit the new requirement.
this in full, only on the final tau, not on the alphas.
however, computer-assisted collaborative design of tau (or any other project who wants to use it) will begin from the first alpha.

(again i shortened something that deserves a lot more explanation)

The "tau" or "root" team will define the rules of changing the rules? Consensus means not contradicting with those rules? The very first of those rules will be defined from alpha?
Anyways.. I probably should hold my horses until the white paper will be released, you shortened in a much more human readable language

and it's great that the white paper will be written in the same language

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OHAD COMING IN HOT!!!!

Everyday I check the thread and I hope for messages like these! We must be getting close to whitepaper time...

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Ohad and I were discussing the development strategy recently. I am currently working on a writeup so that is can be explained for the first Alpha release and what is going on with the development. Stay tuned. Cool

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Quote from: dmitryshech on February 09, 2017, 05:21:47 PM

The whole success of Apple vs Nokia was UI/UX.

but never forget: tau will be self defining and self amending. everything will be changeable over time. we will have what we'll call "teams" (like "groups" on facebook), and one team will be called "tau" or "root", and whenever there's a post under consensus there, the system will (almost) automatically reorganize itself to admit the new requirement.
this in full, only on the final tau, not on the alphas.
however, computer-assisted collaborative design of tau (or any other project who wants to use it) will begin from the first alpha.

(again i shortened something that deserves a lot more explanation)

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Quote from: dmitryshech on February 09, 2017, 05:21:47 PM

Quote from: ohad on February 09, 2017, 03:46:17 PM

ok well let me continue a little bit:
what if facebook could understand what's written in every post?
what features could we do with that?
that sounds so big that we don't even know where to begin.
but no one yet knows how to do it.
that doesn't mean that we have to postpone this dream.
let's just use simple enough english (i.e. human readable representation of logic like Attempto Controlled English) that the machine can understand.

that'd basically be the first alpha (with a lot more to say, here's a terribly initial design of the menus that i sketched in 5 mins just to make a point to someone http://tauchain.org/layout.html ), while from there to self-defining decentralized collaborative development platform, the way is short. at least from the average user's perspective.

Hmm.. That is huge!!! Than indeed (if I got it right), at least some significant part of the white paper will be focused more on that "simple enough, human readable english that the machine can understand", the structure and the use cases, while leaving in behind for more tech advanced user the actual process of how it actually happens.

My first thought is: all this should (MUST) be wrapped in VERY good UI/UX design, from the best of the best in the industry. The whole success of Apple vs Nokia was UI/UX.

the efforts of hiring UI/UX designer began a week ago.
indeed only one or two sections on the paper will be too techie to the average internet user.
but there is so much more to tell in simple words than what i hinted here. i really told nothing yet

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Quote from: ohad on February 09, 2017, 03:46:17 PM

ok well let me continue a little bit:
what if facebook could understand what's written in every post?
what features could we do with that?
that sounds so big that we don't even know where to begin.
but no one yet knows how to do it.
that doesn't mean that we have to postpone this dream.
let's just use simple enough english (i.e. human readable representation of logic like Attempto Controlled English) that the machine can understand.

that'd basically be the first alpha (with a lot more to say, here's a terribly initial design of the menus that i sketched in 5 mins just to make a point to someone http://tauchain.org/layout.html ), while from there to self-defining decentralized collaborative development platform, the way is short. at least from the average user's perspective.

Hmm.. That is huge!!! Than indeed (if I got it right), at least some significant part of the white paper will be focused more on that "simple enough, human readable english that the machine can understand", the structure and the use cases, while leaving in behind for more tech advanced user the actual process of how it actually happens.

My first thought is: all this should (MUST) be wrapped in VERY good UI/UX design, from the best of the best in the industry. The whole success of Apple vs Nokia was UI/UX.

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the days of tau being understandable to experts only, are over. the new tau is for everyone.

(it'll have advanced aspects for advanced users, but it's like comparing facebook user to facebook app developer)

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ok well let me continue a little bit:
what if facebook could understand what's written in every post?
what features could we do with that?
that sounds so big that we don't even know where to begin.
but no one yet knows how to do it.
that doesn't mean that we have to postpone this dream.
let's just use simple enough english (i.e. human readable representation of logic e.g. Attempto Controlled English) that the machine can understand.

that'd basically be the first alpha (with a lot more to say, here's a terribly initial design of the menus that i sketched in 5 mins just to make a point to someone http://tauchain.org/layout.html ), while from there to self-defining decentralized collaborative development platform, the way is short. at least from the average user's perspective.

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Quote from: dmitryshech on February 09, 2017, 03:36:47 PM

Very impressive White Paper for inspiration: https://qtum.org/whitepaper/

but suits for blockchain people only. people from other areas will give up after peeking at the table of content.
the new tau is intended for everyone.
we will have an intelligent social network for not only serious stuff, but also for fun.
and for that i want the largest possible audience to actually read the paper, just because it's possible.
to be continued..

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Very impressive White Paper for inspiration: https://qtum.org/whitepaper/

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Quote from: SEOcrypto on February 07, 2017, 03:53:49 PM

Quote from: ICOcountdown.com on February 07, 2017, 03:07:26 PM

Quote from: MrWhiteBites on February 02, 2017, 12:04:52 PM

Quote from: Conic on January 31, 2017, 11:30:06 PM

The period of Agoras ICO is too long. Ohad should set a deadline for his fund-raising and destroy the unsold Agoras.

If you Agoras investors support that, pls urge Ohad to do it.

How many coins are to be sold?

How many coins have been sold?

When will the ICO end... or is it a case of getting free money forever?
As i see now developments done here, just a load of fluff.

then i read Ohad you are working on whitepaper, so ZERO developments are ongoing?

And in the 2+ years, what have been achieved? Seems like very little,
but plenty of people have bought into this "project"

Is there a BITCOIN ADDRESS to show where all the payments went to?
Id really love to see it. But a fat chance of that, it looks like we are all getting played for suckers.

Also ICO COuntdown, i had trust in your reviews, your undying support for this coin is seriously going to REK
your reputation after your undying support for this project.

Ask Ohad about the time when a recruiter from Google reviewed his source and asked him to work for them Wink

Development takes time. If you can develop this sort of tech let me know, the BTC price has increased, I understand that you want liquidity and that you want to make funds. I get it, I truly do. This project is extremely large in scope and my reputation has always been backing serious developers and computational scientests. Pascal was also a one man team that I backed heavily because I always focus on innovation. Ohad is trying to get more people on board to speed up the process but if you want it excecuted correctly the old saying goes "if you want something done right do it yourself". I have even said to Ohad, I do not know who can even help with the development, let alone just normally understand the project. It is extremely high level.

Completely agree. This project is the equivalent to 'shooting the moon.' We're venturing into unknown territory. A lot of smart people have told Ohad what he's trying to accomplish is impossible - and it very well might be.

While I can understand the frustration of early investors, this is what you signed up for. Everything could change with the release of the whitepaper. Or not

If crypto is "verge" technology. Then this is the "verge" of "verge" technology.

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Quote from: ICOcountdown.com on February 07, 2017, 03:07:26 PM

Quote from: MrWhiteBites on February 02, 2017, 12:04:52 PM

Quote from: Conic on January 31, 2017, 11:30:06 PM

The period of Agoras ICO is too long. Ohad should set a deadline for his fund-raising and destroy the unsold Agoras.

If you Agoras investors support that, pls urge Ohad to do it.

How many coins are to be sold?

How many coins have been sold?

When will the ICO end... or is it a case of getting free money forever?
As i see now developments done here, just a load of fluff.

then i read Ohad you are working on whitepaper, so ZERO developments are ongoing?

And in the 2+ years, what have been achieved? Seems like very little,
but plenty of people have bought into this "project"

Is there a BITCOIN ADDRESS to show where all the payments went to?
Id really love to see it. But a fat chance of that, it looks like we are all getting played for suckers.

Also ICO COuntdown, i had trust in your reviews, your undying support for this coin is seriously going to REK
your reputation after your undying support for this project.

Ask Ohad about the time when a recruiter from Google reviewed his source and asked him to work for them Wink

Development takes time. If you can develop this sort of tech let me know, the BTC price has increased, I understand that you want liquidity and that you want to make funds. I get it, I truly do. This project is extremely large in scope and my reputation has always been backing serious developers and computational scientests. Pascal was also a one man team that I backed heavily because I always focus on innovation. Ohad is trying to get more people on board to speed up the process but if you want it excecuted correctly the old saying goes "if you want something done right do it yourself". I have even said to Ohad, I do not know who can even help with the development, let alone just normally understand the project. It is extremely high level.

Completely agree. This project is the equivalent to 'shooting the moon.' We're venturing into unknown territory. A lot of smart people have told Ohad what he's trying to accomplish is impossible - and it very well might be.

While I can understand the frustration of early investors, this is what you signed up for. Everything could change with the release of the whitepaper. Or not

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Quote from: MrWhiteBites on February 02, 2017, 12:04:52 PM

Quote from: Conic on January 31, 2017, 11:30:06 PM

The period of Agoras ICO is too long. Ohad should set a deadline for his fund-raising and destroy the unsold Agoras.

If you Agoras investors support that, pls urge Ohad to do it.

How many coins are to be sold?

How many coins have been sold?

When will the ICO end... or is it a case of getting free money forever?
As i see now developments done here, just a load of fluff.

then i read Ohad you are working on whitepaper, so ZERO developments are ongoing?

And in the 2+ years, what have been achieved? Seems like very little,
but plenty of people have bought into this "project"

Is there a BITCOIN ADDRESS to show where all the payments went to?
Id really love to see it. But a fat chance of that, it looks like we are all getting played for suckers.

Also ICO COuntdown, i had trust in your reviews, your undying support for this coin is seriously going to REK
your reputation after your undying support for this project.

Ask Ohad about the time when a recruiter from Google reviewed his source and asked him to work for them Wink

Development takes time. If you can develop this sort of tech let me know, the BTC price has increased, I understand that you want liquidity and that you want to make funds. I get it, I truly do. This project is extremely large in scope and my reputation has always been backing serious developers and computational scientists. Pascal was also a one man team that I backed heavily because I always focus on innovation. Ohad is trying to get more people on board to speed up the process but if you want it excecuted correctly the old saying goes "if you want something done right do it yourself". I have even said to Ohad, I do not know who can even help with the development, let alone just normally understand the project. It is extremely high level.

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into the clusterfuck

Quote from: Cibervision on February 07, 2017, 10:16:41 AM

Ohad , if bittrex is hacked or delist ágoras tokens, we lose all coins?

Never store more money on an exchange than necessary (for trading).
If there's a breach, chances are good you'll at least lose some.

Quote from: Cibervision on February 07, 2017, 10:16:41 AM

And if omniwallet close or be hacked too we lose the ágoras too?

Omni interacts with the Bitcoin network. Though I'm not exactly sure what'll happen should all nodes disappear, I think you'll still have access to your assets (by priv. key).
But popular projects rely on it, and should something bad happen, I'm sure there will be alternatives.

Quote from: Cibervision on February 07, 2017, 10:16:41 AM

Its very unsafe depend on thirds , what is the best option to save ágoras Now?

You could say the same about ETH, WAVES, XCP ..
Best option: Omni Core wallet

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Ohad , if bittrex is hacked or delist ágoras tokens, we lose all coins?
And if omniwallet close or be hacked too we lose the ágoras too?

Its very unsafe depend on thirds , what is the best option to save ágoras Now?
And one moré question , the first core released will bring a wallet?
many thanks

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Are HMC and the former staff working on another coin?

What is Ohad's work ethic if he cant get a whitepaper out in months - this seems like vaporware. I am not going to sell my investment in this as I still believe in the concept and it still has the chance to moon more than any other coin if the tauchain can get created.

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Being able to unlock tokens (upon agreement with Ohad) never meant getting a refund, right? My understanding was/is that one could unlock his/her tokens to be able to trade, but will knowingly receive less tokens because locked tokens got an extra bonus.

right

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36 btc Get the buabuambulance and shut up please. Sell all your coins and make a great dump for the believers in Ohad. I want buy cheap agoras.

Ohad come back to your code and work hard, dont Feed the trol.

36btc we cant have all, Bitcoin this Year rocket to 2000 dolars, but me and others must hold ágoras , ohad must finish his job and then , the party start.

With yours comments dont help tauchain, be proactive, search developers as ohad and meet them if you are worried, sure it's very Very hard, i a web developer , if my help is needed i ofer it.

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if you have real criticism then go for it. but just trying all kinds of nonsense like the last one (the public address) is really funny. for the two times (ever) you asked me something, i was positive and you agreed right away. so what's the problem?

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