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Quote from: Joca97 on May 20, 2022, 03:41:28 PM

Quote from: Cnut237 on May 20, 2022, 01:35:51 PM

Breaking news!!!

Wimbledon: ATP Tour strips ranking points from Grand Slam over ban for Russians and Belarusians

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/61401519

This is a huge surprise, I thought the ATP would cave in and award full points, but it appears not. Of course this means amongst other things that Djokovic loses his 2,000 points from last year, without being able to defend them, and so is very likely to lose his number one ranking.

It remains to be seen what will happen on the women's side, but I'd imagine the WTA would follow suit. It would be very strange if the women got points and the men didn't.

For betting purposes it's probably irrelevant, all players will still want to win Wimbledon just as much, even with no points to play for.

I think it's a good decision. It would really skew the rankings if say Djokovic could score up to 2,000 points whilst his nearest challenger Medvedev was guaranteed 0 points just because of where he was born.

I honestly dont blame ATP for doing this,i blame wimbledon for going with the ban and this totally unfair from them. What if it was the otherway around it would never happen. Only sad thing if this is true is that Djokovic losses those 2000 points that will lose him the first place

I am actually glad this happened. Wimbledon always gave itself leave to do whatever they please. For instance that stupid rule that you have to play dressed in all white, including sneakers and soles of sneakers. I would love if couple of major players decided to skip it now that it does not bring points. That would give them something to think about in future.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on May 20, 2022, 01:35:51 PM

Breaking news!!!

Wimbledon: ATP Tour strips ranking points from Grand Slam over ban for Russians and Belarusians

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/61401519

This is a huge surprise, I thought the ATP would cave in and award full points, but it appears not. Of course this means amongst other things that Djokovic loses his 2,000 points from last year, without being able to defend them, and so is very likely to lose his number one ranking.

It remains to be seen what will happen on the women's side, but I'd imagine the WTA would follow suit. It would be very strange if the women got points and the men didn't.

For betting purposes it's probably irrelevant, all players will still want to win Wimbledon just as much, even with no points to play for.

I think it's a good decision. It would really skew the rankings if say Djokovic could score up to 2,000 points whilst his nearest challenger Medvedev was guaranteed 0 points just because of where he was born.

I honestly dont blame ATP for doing this,i blame wimbledon for going with the ban and this totally unfair from them. What if it was the otherway around it would never happen. Only sad thing if this is true is that Djokovic losses those 2000 points that will lose him the first place

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Quote from: casperBGD on May 20, 2022, 01:54:28 PM

Djokovic would probably have hard time to stay no.1, in this case he need to win RG first and hope that competitors do not have great results on RG

Actually, he has 2,000 points to defend there anyway, so I think he's pretty much guaranteed to lose number one spot whatever happens. IIRC Medvedev went out in the quarters at RG last year, so doesn't have much to defend.

This site shows what the current rankings would look like if Wimbledon '21 points were stripped away:

Daniil Medvedev – 7800 points
Alexander Zverev – 6895 points
Novak Djokovic – 6660 points
Stefanos Tsitsipas – 5965 points
Rafael Nadal – 5525 points

... so weirdly, Wimbledon choosing to punish Russians by banning them means a Russian is likely to become world number one!

Edit: I think Djokovic definitely loses number one spot, he can't gain enough over Medvedev on 2021 points between now and Wimbledon to cover that deficit.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on May 20, 2022, 01:35:51 PM

~snip
For betting purposes it's probably irrelevant, all players will still want to win Wimbledon just as much, even with no points to play for.

I think it's a good decision. It would really skew the rankings if say Djokovic could score up to 2,000 points whilst his nearest challenger Medvedev was guaranteed 0 points just because of where he was born.

this is really something different and unexpected
to strip all points from Wimbledon due to this ban is good for those that cannot attend Wimbledon, but would skew competition for all the others
Djokovic would probably have hard time to stay no.1, in this case he need to win RG first and hope that competitors do not have great results on RG

maybe this is just a pressure on Wimbledon to strip ban, will be interesting to follow

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Breaking news!!!

Wimbledon: ATP Tour strips ranking points from Grand Slam over ban for Russians and Belarusians

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/61401519

This is a huge surprise, I thought the ATP would cave in and award full points, but it appears not. Of course this means amongst other things that Djokovic loses his 2,000 points from last year, without being able to defend them, and so is very likely to lose his number one ranking.

It remains to be seen what will happen on the women's side, but I'd imagine the WTA would follow suit. It would be very strange if the women got points and the men didn't.

For betting purposes it's probably irrelevant, all players will still want to win Wimbledon just as much, even with no points to play for.

I think it's a good decision. It would really skew the rankings if say Djokovic could score up to 2,000 points whilst his nearest challenger Medvedev was guaranteed 0 points just because of where he was born.

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I think Gasquet winning Medvedev was enough for him to believed that he can still perform high level tennis and fought with the best thats' why he is now on the semifinals. He is 35 years old and we have seen his prime but maybe he still has some left in his tank in this tournament and perhaps he could upset and go to the finals and win this tournament.

Medvedev on clay is nowhere near his levels on other surfaces. I play against him every single time on clay. It was 3,2 on Gasquet in that match if I remeber correctly.

That being said I watched Gasquet a bit in his latest matches and he looks quite good. No chance of him winning against best players on clay but he should pass a couple of rounds in RG if he has ok oponnets. He is not a seeded player so he could get someone like Djoko or Alcaraz in first round and that is game over for him.

Yeah Medvedev is really bad on clay and im surprised always when i see him play. He is fast and good in defending i was thinking it was gonna be a huge advantage for him,but he is really bad if tennis was played on clay he wouldnt even be in top 100 of all the players in the world

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Quote from: Jating on May 19, 2022, 07:01:50 AM

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Quote from: Kemarit on May 18, 2022, 07:30:01 PM

And I agree that Khachanov is like hot and cold in this season, very inconsistent and so it's kinda disappointing if you have bet on him and suddenly seeing his performance against Molcan in the first set.

Khachanov has always been that inconsistent type of player for me. Even when he is playing great there will come a match where he just disappears.

Did not watch him yesterday or had any bets, real life got super busy, but I had a bet on him against Simon in first round. Khachanov to win and under 20,5 @1.8 which passed super easy. That was my first time I saw that market on Sportbet and I hope they will keep it for the future.

True, one of the most inconsistent players we have.

I'm looking at Geneva Open quarter finals, I have Opelka -1.5 against Griekspoor. First set already and Opelka 4-2, score is 40-15 but Griekspoor is serving. So let's see if he can break and then serve for the match. Also have Casper Ruud to win against Kokkinakis next.

Yeah, won my parlay bet here @2.12 with handicap + ML win by Ruud.

I have Opelka +2.5 @1.75 against Ruud right now, it was a live betting. The score is tie 4-4 so the first set can go either way.

I'll probably skip the other semifinals match though as I can't watch it later. Best of luck to everyone.

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Quote from: TravelMug on May 20, 2022, 03:07:28 AM

I think Gasquet winning Medvedev was enough for him to believed that he can still perform high level tennis and fought with the best thats' why he is now on the semifinals. He is 35 years old and we have seen his prime but maybe he still has some left in his tank in this tournament and perhaps he could upset and go to the finals and win this tournament.

Medvedev on clay is nowhere near his levels on other surfaces. I play against him every single time on clay. It was 3,2 on Gasquet in that match if I remeber correctly.

That being said I watched Gasquet a bit in his latest matches and he looks quite good. No chance of him winning against best players on clay but he should pass a couple of rounds in RG if he has ok oponnets. He is not a seeded player so he could get someone like Djoko or Alcaraz in first round and that is game over for him.

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Quote from: aoluain on May 20, 2022, 01:22:37 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on May 19, 2022, 08:26:45 PM

I got Sousa +3.5 over against Ivashka at 1.90 and Sousa win in straight sets.

While Gasquet destroys Majchrzak also in 2 sets but i didn't bet on the handicap, but Gasquet easily covered it.

So it will be Ruud vs Opelka on semis and Sousa vs Gasquet on the other side. Not yet put my bet here, will mostly go with the handicap again, but we will see.

Yes Opelka v Ruud would have been a great final match up between two top seeds 4 and
2 respectively. Its impressive in its own right that Ruud carried his form through from
Rome so I'll bet on him again.

Its quite remarkable to see Gasquet performing so well right before his home tournament!

I think Gasquet winning Medvedev was enough for him to believed that he can still perform high level tennis and fought with the best thats' why he is now on the semifinals. He is 35 years old and we have seen his prime but maybe he still has some left in his tank in this tournament and perhaps he could upset and go to the finals and win this tournament.

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Quote from: Kemarit on May 19, 2022, 08:26:45 PM

I got Sousa +3.5 over against Ivashka at 1.90 and Sousa win in straight sets.

While Gasquet destroys Majchrzak also in 2 sets but i didn't bet on the handicap, but Gasquet easily covered it.

So it will be Ruud vs Opelka on semis and Sousa vs Gasquet on the other side. Not yet put my bet here, will mostly go with the handicap again, but we will see.

Yes Opelka v Ruud would have been a great final match up between two top seeds 4 and
2 respectively. Its impressive in its own right that Ruud carried his form through from
Rome so I'll bet on him again.

Its quite remarkable to see Gasquet performing so well right before his home tournament!

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I got Sousa +3.5 over against Ivashka at 1.90 and Sousa win in straight sets.

While Gasquet destroys Majchrzak also in 2 sets but i didn't bet on the handicap, but Gasquet easily covered it.

So it will be Ruud vs Opelka on semis and Sousa vs Gasquet on the other side. Not yet put my bet here, will mostly go with the handicap again, but we will see.

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Quote from: Jating on May 19, 2022, 07:01:50 AM

Quote from: Trofo on May 19, 2022, 12:18:02 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on May 18, 2022, 07:30:01 PM

And I agree that Khachanov is like hot and cold in this season, very inconsistent and so it's kinda disappointing if you have bet on him and suddenly seeing his performance against Molcan in the first set.

Khachanov has always been that inconsistent type of player for me. Even when he is playing great there will come a match where he just disappears.

Did not watch him yesterday or had any bets, real life got super busy, but I had a bet on him against Simon in first round. Khachanov to win and under 20,5 @1.8 which passed super easy. That was my first time I saw that market on Sportbet and I hope they will keep it for the future.

True, one of the most inconsistent players we have.

I'm looking at Geneva Open quarter finals, I have Opelka -1.5 against Griekspoor. First set already and Opelka 4-2, score is 40-15 but Griekspoor is serving. So let's see if he can break and then serve for the match. Also have Casper Ruud to win against Kokkinakis next.

Opelka already covered that handicap although it was a very close match. He won the first set, but then Griekspoor come back strong in the 2nd to win at 6-3. But I guess that's all he got because Opelka won the 3rd with the same score to barely won that handicap. Kokkinakis vs Ruud is almost on the halfway of the match, score at 2-2.

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Quote from: Trofo on May 19, 2022, 12:18:02 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on May 18, 2022, 07:30:01 PM

And I agree that Khachanov is like hot and cold in this season, very inconsistent and so it's kinda disappointing if you have bet on him and suddenly seeing his performance against Molcan in the first set.

Khachanov has always been that inconsistent type of player for me. Even when he is playing great there will come a match where he just disappears.

Did not watch him yesterday or had any bets, real life got super busy, but I had a bet on him against Simon in first round. Khachanov to win and under 20,5 @1.8 which passed super easy. That was my first time I saw that market on Sportbet and I hope they will keep it for the future.

True, one of the most inconsistent players we have.

I'm looking at Geneva Open quarter finals, I have Opelka -1.5 against Griekspoor. First set already and Opelka 4-2, score is 40-15 but Griekspoor is serving. So let's see if he can break and then serve for the match. Also have Casper Ruud to win against Kokkinakis next.

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Quote from: Kemarit on May 18, 2022, 07:30:01 PM

And I agree that Khachanov is like hot and cold in this season, very inconsistent and so it's kinda disappointing if you have bet on him and suddenly seeing his performance against Molcan in the first set.

Khachanov has always been that inconsistent type of player for me. Even when he is playing great there will come a match where he just disappears.

Did not watch him yesterday or had any bets, real life got super busy, but I had a bet on him against Simon in first round. Khachanov to win and under 20,5 @1.8 which passed super easy. That was my first time I saw that market on Sportbet and I hope they will keep it for the future.

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Quote from: aoluain on May 18, 2022, 04:36:25 PM

^

Yea well that was dissapointing by Khachanov....onwards to tomorrows quarters I'm
going with two bets on Norrie to beat Baez and de Minaur to reach the semi's beating Watanuki.

I too wand to keep some "powder dry" so to speak for RG.

Khachanov this season is really dissapointing. I was thinking before that he had a lot of potencial and talent to be in top 5 but currently for me he is a top 40 player only and even that barely honestly. Norrie will have a hard time against Baez because he is a clay player but if Norrie does what he does he shouldnt have much problems

True, and that's why I take this bet when I saw what was going on in the first set:

And I agree that Khachanov is like hot and cold in this season, very inconsistent and so it's kinda disappointing if you have bet on him and suddenly seeing his performance against Molcan in the first set.

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Quote from: aoluain on May 18, 2022, 04:36:25 PM

^

Yea well that was dissapointing by Khachanov....onwards to tomorrows quarters I'm
going with two bets on Norrie to beat Baez and de Minaur to reach the semi's beating Watanuki.

I too wand to keep some "powder dry" so to speak for RG.

Khachanov this season is really dissapointing. I was thinking before that he had a lot of potencial and talent to be in top 5 but currently for me he is a top 40 player only and even that barely honestly. Norrie will have a hard time against Baez because he is a clay player but if Norrie does what he does he shouldnt have much problems

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Yea well that was dissapointing by Khachanov and Careno Busta....onwards to tomorrows
quarters I'm going with two bets on Norrie to beat Baez and de Minaur to reach the semi's
beating Watanuki.

I too wand to keep some "powder dry" so to speak for RG.

Over in Geneva the Quarters are scheduled for tomorrow, the one to watch is Ruud,
he is top seed (no.2) and faces Kokkinakis, also to watch is Opelka v Griekspoor.

Hopefully those top seeds make it through to the semis...

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Quote from: aoluain on May 18, 2022, 01:15:15 AM

Quote from: Kemarit on May 17, 2022, 08:10:24 PM

Quote from: aoluain on May 17, 2022, 05:12:25 PM

Medvedev was playing Gasquet today and lost in 2 sets, 2-6 and 5-7 in a tie break
at the Geneva Open.

Dissapointing for Medvedev who would have wanted more game time to get up to
speed for Roland Garros next week. It also doesnt bode well for his chances there
especially when Djokovic is in seemingly top form and the threat of Alcaraz and
possibly Tsitsipas. Maybe depending on the draw he can grow into the tournament?

He admitted though after the game that he doesn't feel confident on clay surface. So for sure he will not be one of the favorite come Roland Garros. And he just come from a hernia operation so maybe that's another reason why he is not on top form.

Anyhow, lots of tennis games, maybe will try my luck in ATP Lyon Open. It's already in round of 16 so the game is becoming more interesting to watch.

Norrie^{no.1 seed} has booked his place in the quarter final against Baez, as has
de Minaur who faces Watanuki. de Minaur has been performing well lately.

Couple of interesting matches today, Carreno Busta the second seed plays Coria and
Khachanov, seeded 5 plays Molcan, both seeds should win their matches. They
are obviously both favoirites, I have gone with Kachanov @1.5 to win.

I agree, Carreno-Busta and Khachanov should be the easy favorites so the chances to win is good for both.

I have both of them in a handicap parlay, -3.5 for Busta and then -1.5 Khachanov for 2.38. Just minimum bet for this one as I'm preparing to bet more on RG. Goodluck.

Edit: Busta lost ot Coria 7-5, 6-3 so my parlay is lost already. Nevertheless, Khachanov lost the first set 6-2 as well and trailing the second set.

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Quote from: Kemarit on May 17, 2022, 08:10:24 PM

Quote from: aoluain on May 17, 2022, 05:12:25 PM

Medvedev was playing Gasquet today and lost in 2 sets, 2-6 and 5-7 in a tie break
at the Geneva Open.

Dissapointing for Medvedev who would have wanted more game time to get up to
speed for Roland Garros next week. It also doesnt bode well for his chances there
especially when Djokovic is in seemingly top form and the threat of Alcaraz and
possibly Tsitsipas. Maybe depending on the draw he can grow into the tournament?

He admitted though after the game that he doesn't feel confident on clay surface. So for sure he will not be one of the favorite come Roland Garros. And he just come from a hernia operation so maybe that's another reason why he is not on top form.

Anyhow, lots of tennis games, maybe will try my luck in ATP Lyon Open. It's already in round of 16 so the game is becoming more interesting to watch.

Norrie^{no.1 seed} has booked his place in the quarter final against Baez, as has
de Minaur who faces Watanuki. de Minaur has been performing well lately.

Couple of interesting matches today, Carreno Busta the second seed plays Coria and
Khachanov, seeded 5 plays Molcan, both seeds should win their matches. They
are obviously both favoirites, I have gone with Kachanov @1.5 to win.

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