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Quote from: aoluain on May 04, 2022, 10:10:22 AM

Quote from: Cnut237 on May 04, 2022, 09:38:05 AM

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Quote from: Kemarit on May 03, 2022, 10:35:35 PM

it will be and old rivalry next, Murray vs Djokovic. Novak looks great in his last game and so is Murray. But I don't think that Murray will have the body to beat Djokovic in their game. I'm expecting a two set win by Djokovic.

I like the quote from Murray regarding the next match: "He's the world number one, and I've got a metal hip" Cheesy

Difficult to believe, but the last time these two played, Murray was world number one and Djokovic number two.

Thats class and just goes to show Andy is a realist and still has the wit! He will be looking
forward to this though, its a kind of benchmark for him to be able to measure up against the #1
and like always what he lacks in mobility he still retains the skills to create some difficulty for Djokovic
but its hard to see him winning this one as Djokovic is ramping up his levels now in preparation
for RG.

Intresting reading about the match up of these two players.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djokovic%E2%80%93Murray_rivalry

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Between May and August 2013 and between May 2016 and June 2017, they were the world No. 1 and 2 in ATP rankings;
Djokovic held the top spot throughout the entire first period and the second period until November 2016, when Murray claimed it.
They were the 2015 and 2016 year-end top 2 players in the world. They subsequently did not play each other for over five years
(from January 2017 at the Qatar Open to May 2022 at the 2022 Madrid Open), mainly due to Murray's string of injuries.

I believe that deep down Murray will be hoping to stun Djokovic, because the latter has had a tough year and is currently woefully out of form hence a perfect opportunity for Murray to capitalise on.

Quote from: Kemarit on May 04, 2022, 09:46:52 PM

True, how time flies though, as we can see, Djokovic still reigns as the number one players for many years and then Murray's game dip because of injuries.

But for sure, this is one of the most anticipated match although we might conclude that Djokovic will win it. But for sure fans are going to cheer for Murray in this game no matter what is the outcome.

@Kemarit with the fans cheering for Murray I feel that Djokovic will be under pressure right from the start, therefore I’m confident that Murray can stun him and beat him.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on May 04, 2022, 09:38:05 AM

Quote from: aoluain on May 03, 2022, 03:54:47 PM

the Raducanu match I watched, she had shots which were just magical
and others which were just the complete opposite, it was a close affair all
the same.

Yes, the match did vary in quality quite a lot, both players fluctuating. I thought when Raducanu nearly went a double break down in the final set at 15-40, but pulled it back and then went 4-3 up, that she would win... but then her level dropped a bit and her opponent came back.

Quote from: Kemarit on May 03, 2022, 10:35:35 PM

it will be and old rivalry next, Murray vs Djokovic. Novak looks great in his last game and so is Murray. But I don't think that Murray will have the body to beat Djokovic in their game. I'm expecting a two set win by Djokovic.

I like the quote from Murray regarding the next match: "He's the world number one, and I've got a metal hip" Cheesy

Difficult to believe, but the last time these two played, Murray was world number one and Djokovic number two.

True, how time flies though, as we can see, Djokovic still reigns as the number one players for many years and then Murray's game dip because of injuries.

But for sure, this is one of the most anticipated match although we might conclude that Djokovic will win it. But for sure fans are going to cheer for Murray in this game no matter what is the outcome.

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Quote from: Trofo on May 04, 2022, 10:25:07 AM

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I just took a bet on Sinner to win against DeMinaur since he has great H2H and this surface should favor him more than surfaces in those previous matches he won. I added Fokina ML on same ticket for good measure and I hope he is still in red hot form. If only the roof closes so the match can continue....Never liked clay matches under the closed roof, can lead to some proper upsets.

did not watched the roof, but everything is slower in Spain

Fokina is down, so he will not face Djokovic in Madrid, but Nadal could face him in semi-final, which could be more than interesting to watch (Nadal has to clear Alcaraz before that, and that also sound very interesting)

did not put any bets today, but Nadal @1.3 against Kecmanovic seems as high value after the match
Djokovic and Murray tomorrow, seems that last duel was centuries ago

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Anybody watching Madrid at the moment? There is rain break and roof started to close - has to be the slowest mobile roof in history of the planet

They are closing it forever, really don't see the reason why it has to be that slow.

I just took a bet on Sinner to win against DeMinaur since he has great H2H and this surface should favor him more than surfaces in those previous matches he won. I added Fokina ML on same ticket for good measure and I hope he is still in red hot form. If only the roof closes so the match can continue....Never liked clay matches under the closed roof, can lead to some proper upsets.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on May 04, 2022, 09:38:05 AM

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Quote from: Kemarit on May 03, 2022, 10:35:35 PM

it will be and old rivalry next, Murray vs Djokovic. Novak looks great in his last game and so is Murray. But I don't think that Murray will have the body to beat Djokovic in their game. I'm expecting a two set win by Djokovic.

I like the quote from Murray regarding the next match: "He's the world number one, and I've got a metal hip" Cheesy

Difficult to believe, but the last time these two played, Murray was world number one and Djokovic number two.

Thats class and just goes to show Andy is a realist and still has the wit! He will be looking
forward to this though, its a kind of benchmark for him to be able to measure up against the #1
and like always what he lacks in mobility he still retains the skills to create some difficulty for Djokovic
but its hard to see him winning this one as Djokovic is ramping up his levels now in preparation
for RG.

Intresting reading about the match up of these two players.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djokovic%E2%80%93Murray_rivalry

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Between May and August 2013 and between May 2016 and June 2017, they were the world No. 1 and 2 in ATP rankings;
Djokovic held the top spot throughout the entire first period and the second period until November 2016, when Murray claimed it.
They were the 2015 and 2016 year-end top 2 players in the world. They subsequently did not play each other for over five years
(from January 2017 at the Qatar Open to May 2022 at the 2022 Madrid Open), mainly due to Murray's string of injuries.

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Quote from: aoluain on May 03, 2022, 03:54:47 PM

the Raducanu match I watched, she had shots which were just magical
and others which were just the complete opposite, it was a close affair all
the same.

Yes, the match did vary in quality quite a lot, both players fluctuating. I thought when Raducanu nearly went a double break down in the final set at 15-40, but pulled it back and then went 4-3 up, that she would win... but then her level dropped a bit and her opponent came back.

Quote from: Kemarit on May 03, 2022, 10:35:35 PM

it will be and old rivalry next, Murray vs Djokovic. Novak looks great in his last game and so is Murray. But I don't think that Murray will have the body to beat Djokovic in their game. I'm expecting a two set win by Djokovic.

I like the quote from Murray regarding the next match: "He's the world number one, and I've got a metal hip" Cheesy

Difficult to believe, but the last time these two played, Murray was world number one and Djokovic number two.

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I was thinking to put my money on Shapovalov against Andy Murray. Good thing I didn't bet on it.

Because Murray prevail, 6-1,3-6,6-2.

So it will be and old rivalry next, Murray vs Djokovic. Novak looks great in his last game and so is Murray. But I don't think that Murray will have the body to beat Djokovic in their game. I'm expecting a two set win by Djokovic.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on May 03, 2022, 06:58:46 AM

^^ I don't know, not sure if we can compare though, the impact of the war though. Anyhow, I might agree that it's too hash to ban those players. I even read that Russians and Ukrainian women's players who used to be "friends" started to ignore each other in the Madrid Open. I guess everyone is really taking it hard, this war doesn't really bring out anything even in sports.

That seems crazy that Russian and Ukraine players are ignoring each other,
I would expect that maybe some Russian players actually support what
Russia is doing therefors creating tensions between players, there is nothing
good coming from this war, nothing.

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Quote from: aoluain on May 03, 2022, 02:14:57 AM

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I recon if every player opposed to the ban were to boycott the decision by not attending
it would be overturned!
....

In a world with true ideals and not driven by greed it could be something really possible, but unfortunately it is really unthinkable that it will happen because we are living in our individualistic reality driven by the incessant search for profit at the expense of ideals and mutual respect...

Raducanu just lost against Kalinina Sad

by the way ...tomorrow there is a really interesting match "De Minaur vs Sinner"

Good point, thats the reality.

Yes the Raducanu match I watched, she had shots which were just magical
and others which were just the complete opposite, it was a close affair all
the same.

DeMinaur v Sinner shouls be a cracker - De Minaur is on a roll ATM and Sinner
pulled a win out out of the fire against Paul after looking like he was going to
lose in 2 sets.

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Quote from: aoluain on May 03, 2022, 02:14:57 AM

....
I recon if every player opposed to the ban were to boycott the decision by not attending
it would be overturned!
....

In a world with true ideals and not driven by greed it could be something really possible, but unfortunately it is really unthinkable that it will happen because we are living in our individualistic reality driven by the incessant search for profit at the expense of ideals and mutual respect...

Raducanu just lost against Kalinina Sad

by the way ...tomorrow there is a really interesting match "De Minaur vs Sinner"

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Quote from: Trofo on May 02, 2022, 08:03:22 AM

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Quote from: Cnut237 on May 01, 2022, 05:25:32 PM

Quote from: Jating on May 01, 2022, 01:48:19 PM

Osaka though and Sakkari is out already.

This is what I was talking about the other day, about how women's tennis is so unpredictable. In Madrid, we are now through to the last 16... so in theory most matches should be a player seeded 1-8 vs a player seeded 9-16... except out of the top 8 seeds, only the #8 seed is left, everyone else got knocked out already (alright, Swiatek withdrew before the tournament started, but that's the exception). There's no-one (other than Swiatek) that I'd feel confident betting on.

To be honest, that's one reason I usually stay away from the women's side, because as you have said it's unpredictable.

I look at who beat Osaka and she is Toribes Tormo, maybe she has the advantage of the weather. Nevertheless it is still an upset because I expect Osaka to at least move into the next round and chances are, if she is going to bow out of the tournament, it should be against rank opponent.

I don't really consider those surprises. Don't get me wrong if I knew underdogs would win I would made a bet on them and cash out heaps of money but both those matches were very suspect to me so I skipped them.

Sakari has terible H2H with Kasatkina, they played 4 times and she lost all 4 matches. Something in the Kasatkina game gives her big problems.
Osaka actually lost last clay encounter against Toribes Tormo with 6:0 6:3 and this match was played in her home country, red flag for me.
Colins and Muguruza were bigger surprises for me but again clay is not Muguruza favorite surface, very strange for Spanish players who probably grew up on it and Colins lost to Andrescu. Andrescu is just outside top 100 at the moment but I remember her from some past matched and she is worth much more. Not really sure what happened to her so that she is so low down the ranking.

For me the surprise od the tournament so far, one that killed my otherwise winning ticket, was Sonego. He lost against WC player who can barely stand on clay judging on the past results. And to make it worse he lost in straight sets.

Sakkari was a bit of a surprise for me, I wasn't aware of her terrible H2H against her opponent. Quite a few of the other seed defeats aren't that surprising, but I think the fact that it's not surprising to see so many go out early does demonstrate my point that women's tennis is less predictable, in Madrid we reached the last 16 and the top seed left in the draw was #8... if that happened on the men's side it would be astonishing, on the women's side, not particularly.

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^^ I don't know, not sure if we can compare though, the impact of the war though. Anyhow, I might agree that it's too hash to ban those players. I even read that Russians and Ukrainian women's players who used to be "friends" started to ignore each other in the Madrid Open. I guess everyone is really taking it hard, this war doesn't really bring out anything even in sports.

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Quote from: KennyR on May 02, 2022, 05:04:48 PM

Rafael Nadal has labelled the ban on Russian and Belarusian players from this year's Wimbledon over Moscow's invasion of Ukraine as unfair, saying they are not responsible for the war. The All England Lawn Tennis Club (AELTC) has barred the two countries' players from competing at this year's grasscourt major in response to what Russia calls a "special military operation" in Ukraine. Belarus has been a key staging area for the invasion. AELTC's decision has been condemned by both the men's and women's tours as well as several other players. There is more and more discussion on it. Will there be any changes in the upcoming weeks.

Nadal says Wimbledon ban on Russian and Belarusian players unfair

I have read before that Wimbledon banned German and Japanese players after WW2
so the move to ban Russian and Belarusian players must be in line with some rule they
have IDK.

Anyway I said before that everyone knows Tennis is an individual sport and players
are not playing for their country. Its a non-sensical way of sanctioning both countries,
there are many other ways to do that.

I recon if every player opposed to the ban were to boycott the decision by not attending
it would be overturned!

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Rafael Nadal has labelled the ban on Russian and Belarusian players from this year's Wimbledon over Moscow's invasion of Ukraine as unfair, saying they are not responsible for the war. The All England Lawn Tennis Club (AELTC) has barred the two countries' players from competing at this year's grasscourt major in response to what Russia calls a "special military operation" in Ukraine. Belarus has been a key staging area for the invasion. AELTC's decision has been condemned by both the men's and women's tours as well as several other players. There is more and more discussion on it. Will there be any changes in the upcoming weeks.

Nadal says Wimbledon ban on Russian and Belarusian players unfair

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Quote from: Kemarit on May 01, 2022, 10:21:11 PM

Quote from: Cnut237 on May 01, 2022, 05:25:32 PM

Quote from: Jating on May 01, 2022, 01:48:19 PM

Osaka though and Sakkari is out already.

This is what I was talking about the other day, about how women's tennis is so unpredictable. In Madrid, we are now through to the last 16... so in theory most matches should be a player seeded 1-8 vs a player seeded 9-16... except out of the top 8 seeds, only the #8 seed is left, everyone else got knocked out already (alright, Swiatek withdrew before the tournament started, but that's the exception). There's no-one (other than Swiatek) that I'd feel confident betting on.

To be honest, that's one reason I usually stay away from the women's side, because as you have said it's unpredictable.

I look at who beat Osaka and she is Toribes Tormo, maybe she has the advantage of the weather. Nevertheless it is still an upset because I expect Osaka to at least move into the next round and chances are, if she is going to bow out of the tournament, it should be against rank opponent.

I don't really consider those surprises. Don't get me wrong if I knew underdogs would win I would made a bet on them and cash out heaps of money but both those matches were very suspect to me so I skipped them.

Sakari has terible H2H with Kasatkina, they played 4 times and she lost all 4 matches. Something in the Kasatkina game gives her big problems.
Osaka actually lost last clay encounter against Toribes Tormo with 6:0 6:3 and this match was played in her home country, red flag for me.
Colins and Muguruza were bigger surprises for me but again clay is not Muguruza favorite surface, very strange for Spanish players who probably grew up on it and Colins lost to Andrescu. Andrescu is just outside top 100 at the moment but I remember her from some past matched and she is worth much more. Not really sure what happened to her so that she is so low down the ranking.

For me the surprise od the tournament so far, one that killed my otherwise winning ticket, was Sonego. He lost against WC player who can barely stand on clay judging on the past results. And to make it worse he lost in straight sets.

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Round 1 of Madrid Mens kicks off shortly, there are some interesting match ups but
the headliner is Andy Murray v Dominic Thiem, thats a very interesting match.
TBH I'm a bit surprised to see Thiem as favoirite, 2.3 - 1.6 ^{on Rollbit.} Does Murray have
injury issues coming into this tournament I wonder?

It will be interesting to see if De Minaur can carry his from from Estoril into his match
today against Martinez ... and beyond.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on May 01, 2022, 05:25:32 PM

Quote from: Jating on May 01, 2022, 01:48:19 PM

Osaka though and Sakkari is out already.

This is what I was talking about the other day, about how women's tennis is so unpredictable. In Madrid, we are now through to the last 16... so in theory most matches should be a player seeded 1-8 vs a player seeded 9-16... except out of the top 8 seeds, only the #8 seed is left, everyone else got knocked out already (alright, Swiatek withdrew before the tournament started, but that's the exception). There's no-one (other than Swiatek) that I'd feel confident betting on.

To be honest, that's one reason I usually stay away from the women's side, because as you have said it's unpredictable.

I look at who beat Osaka and she is Toribes Tormo, maybe she has the advantage of the weather. Nevertheless it is still an upset because I expect Osaka to at least move into the next round and chances are, if she is going to bow out of the tournament, it should be against rank opponent.

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Quote from: Jating on May 01, 2022, 01:48:19 PM

Osaka though and Sakkari is out already.

This is what I was talking about the other day, about how women's tennis is so unpredictable. In Madrid, we are now through to the last 16... so in theory most matches should be a player seeded 1-8 vs a player seeded 9-16... except out of the top 8 seeds, only the #8 seed is left, everyone else got knocked out already (alright, Swiatek withdrew before the tournament started, but that's the exception). There's no-one (other than Swiatek) that I'd feel confident betting on.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on May 01, 2022, 12:25:38 PM

Superb performance from Raducanu today, again I watched the whole match and she was playing at the same level she was when she won the US Open last summer. She was dominant from start to finish, playing almost flawless tennis at times, and drawing mistakes from her opponent. This is certainly the best she has played this year... and the draw has really opened up on her side now, it's a great opportunity for her to go deep into the tournament, if it goes according to seeding, she should reach the semis with a match up against Sakkari in a repeat of the US Open semi.

Good to hear that Raducanu looks sharp in his matched (although I wasn't able to see it live). Maybe changing to a new coach bring the best out of him and motivated again to duplicate his performance from last year. Based on the scores it is a complete dominant win and will go on the 3rd round. So we will see if this is not a fluke and hopefully he can bring back her career because she has a bright future.

Osaka though and Sakkari is out already.

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Superb performance from Raducanu today, again I watched the whole match and she was playing at the same level she was when she won the US Open last summer. She was dominant from start to finish, playing almost flawless tennis at times, and drawing mistakes from her opponent. This is certainly the best she has played this year... and the draw has really opened up on her side now, it's a great opportunity for her to go deep into the tournament, if it goes according to seeding, she should reach the semis with a match up against Sakkari in a repeat of the US Open semi.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on April 30, 2022, 05:30:50 AM

Let's hope that this is the beginning of Raducanu's return to the top of women's tennis Grin

I was a little surprised by the news that she changed coaches again, only after a few months:
Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/61226768

It tells me in a way about her insecurity in a way.

Thanks for the news link, didn't know she fired her coach after 5 months. Just read in the article that it will be her 4th coach in 1 year... But you never know that she can connect with the new coach and have some more successes in the near future.

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