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May 09, 2022, 05:11:07 AM
I did bet on Alcaraz, but I think nobody expected it to be as one-sided as it was. I do feel for Zverev though - as Daniel91 said, sometimes the tournament schedules don't make much sense.
Still - to beat Alcaraz in his current form Zverev would have needed a lot more than rest.

I always felt he'd be a future no. 1 at some point, it looks like he'll get there a bit faster than I thought.
Future came very fast for Alcaraz, no doubt about that. There is no week spot in his game and seems just like a matter of time for him to get to to no. 1.

Regarding schedule in Madrid it really wasn't fair fair for Zverev. It is not just about rest it is about sleep schedule. If Zverev is not lying he went to bed at 4 am after match against AA and then after 5am against Tsitsi. Imagine playing competitive tennis after that?

People are forgetting all the recovery players have to go trough after the match and that takes time.
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May 09, 2022, 04:44:32 AM
I did bet on Alcaraz, but I think nobody expected it to be as one-sided as it was. I do feel for Zverev though - as Daniel91 said, sometimes the tournament schedules don't make much sense.
Still - to beat Alcaraz in his current form Zverev would have needed a lot more than rest.

I always felt he'd be a future no. 1 at some point, it looks like he'll get there a bit faster than I thought.
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May 09, 2022, 02:43:06 AM
Zverev lamented about the schedule of his games prior to the finals, it was kinda late then go home eat work with his physio, so by the time he finishes everything it's early morning, sleep but we all know that your body can only take that much and you need to rest in the night to be fully back 100% the next day.

Anyhow, this kid is for real, he will be moving up in ranking after this, from 7th-6th and most likely will crack the top 5 at the end of the year if he continues to perform like this.

The best bit of Zverev's runners up speech was when he said to Alcaraz "Even though you are still five years old you are still beating us all". That was really funny. But yes, top five looks a certainty before long for Alcaraz... if Zverev is number three, and on this showing Alcaraz is vastly better than number three already. And looking at this year's race, Alcaraz is number two, and only 70 points behind Nadal!

I think that's true, wasn't able to bet on this one but I will probably lost anyways because I will go on over because I thought that this might go on a decider setter. So now the likes of Medvedev, Zverev and Tsitsipas should take notice of this kind because he might be the biggest threat for them to replace the big 3. Maybe 2-3 years from now, Alcaraz could be the top 1 or top 2 players dislodging them in the rankings.
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May 09, 2022, 02:17:08 AM
Zverev lamented about the schedule of his games prior to the finals, it was kinda late then go home eat work with his physio, so by the time he finishes everything it's early morning, sleep but we all know that your body can only take that much and you need to rest in the night to be fully back 100% the next day.

Anyhow, this kid is for real, he will be moving up in ranking after this, from 7th-6th and most likely will crack the top 5 at the end of the year if he continues to perform like this.

The best bit of Zverev's runners up speech was when he said to Alcaraz "Even though you are still five years old you are still beating us all". That was really funny. But yes, top five looks a certainty before long for Alcaraz... if Zverev is number three, and on this showing Alcaraz is vastly better than number three already. And looking at this year's race, Alcaraz is number two, and only 70 points behind Nadal!

I actually agree with Zverev that the organizers were not fair to him and that they gave him too little rest before the finals.
Here is his statement about it.

"The scheduling needs to be done better ... Yesterday I started my match at 11:00pm. I played three sets. Finished at 1:30, the world number three said.
Until I get back to the hotel, until I eat, until I do my work with the physio because I have to prepare my body for the next day, it's 5:00am.
If you stay up until 4:00-5:00am, the next day you are tired. If you do it two nights in a row, you are comp''


Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/61373763

Of course, no one diminishes Alcaraz’s big win in this way and Zverev would probably have lost the match even if he had rested more after the semi-finals, but the fact is that he didn’t have enough rest before the final and he was tired.

In his statement, Alcaraz showed that he is a modest and realistic tennis player:
"Djokovic is number one in the rankings. [Even though] I have won Barcelona, and I have beaten Djokovic and Rafa in Madrid, I don't consider myself the best player in the world," he said.
I also think that tomorrow I'm going to be [ranked] sixth, so I still have five players in front of me to be the best one."


https://www.bbc.com/sport/tennis/61373763
legendary
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May 09, 2022, 01:41:41 AM
Zverev lamented about the schedule of his games prior to the finals, it was kinda late then go home eat work with his physio, so by the time he finishes everything it's early morning, sleep but we all know that your body can only take that much and you need to rest in the night to be fully back 100% the next day.

Anyhow, this kid is for real, he will be moving up in ranking after this, from 7th-6th and most likely will crack the top 5 at the end of the year if he continues to perform like this.

The best bit of Zverev's runners up speech was when he said to Alcaraz "Even though you are still five years old you are still beating us all". That was really funny. But yes, top five looks a certainty before long for Alcaraz... if Zverev is number three, and on this showing Alcaraz is vastly better than number three already. And looking at this year's race, Alcaraz is number two, and only 70 points behind Nadal!
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May 08, 2022, 09:41:46 PM
Might be a 'safe' bet for Alcaraz with that odds, but you have to throw big money in order to get at least a good return.

Well, Alcaraz won. It seems like he just can't lose at the moment. I know both Nadal and Djokovic are below their best, but it still takes a phenomenal performance to knock them both out on successive days. The rise of Alcaraz continues, and it doesn't like like it will be long before he's vying for the #1 ranking. There have been a few next-generation pretenders over the last decade or so, waiting to inherit top spot from the big three... it does look increasingly like Alcaraz is the real thing. Of course from a betting perspective, it means very little chance of making money on him, unless you're prepared to bet big.

Yeah, no upset this time, also Zverev lamented about the schedule of his games prior to the finals, it was kinda late then go home eat work with his physio, so by the time he finishes everything it's early morning, sleep but we all know that your body can only take that much and you need to rest in the night to be fully back 100% the next day.

Anyhow, this kid is for real, he will be moving up in ranking after this, from 7th-6th and most likely will crack the top 5 at the end of the year if he continues to perform like this.
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May 08, 2022, 02:29:45 PM
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Well, Alcaraz won. It seems like he just can't lose at the moment.

yeah, he won 10 matches in Spain, and got two titles
as Nadal in his days

Rome could point out is Alcaraz ready to get RG, or this was just a two tournament show
and RG win, depend on what others do, and depend on his performance in Rome, could get him on no.1 eventually

nevertheless, Nadal and Djokovic are much more dangerous at five-setters, even at their age
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May 08, 2022, 02:11:54 PM
Might be a 'safe' bet for Alcaraz with that odds, but you have to throw big money in order to get at least a good return.

Well, Alcaraz won. It seems like he just can't lose at the moment. I know both Nadal and Djokovic are below their best, but it still takes a phenomenal performance to knock them both out on successive days. The rise of Alcaraz continues, and it doesn't like like it will be long before he's vying for the #1 ranking. There have been a few next-generation pretenders over the last decade or so, waiting to inherit top spot from the big three... it does look increasingly like Alcaraz is the real thing. Of course from a betting perspective, it means very little chance of making money on him, unless you're prepared to bet big.

Oh yes, that was some performance in 1 hour and 2 minutes to what the commentators
today said a "dismantling of Zverev's game". It was really a powerful performance by Alcaraz.

What is so evident about him is his mental ability, nothing seems to daunt him, he takes everything
in his stride, hard to believe he is only 19 at times.
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May 08, 2022, 01:23:54 PM
Might be a 'safe' bet for Alcaraz with that odds, but you have to throw big money in order to get at least a good return.

Well, Alcaraz won. It seems like he just can't lose at the moment. I know both Nadal and Djokovic are below their best, but it still takes a phenomenal performance to knock them both out on successive days. The rise of Alcaraz continues, and it doesn't like like it will be long before he's vying for the #1 ranking. There have been a few next-generation pretenders over the last decade or so, waiting to inherit top spot from the big three... it does look increasingly like Alcaraz is the real thing. Of course from a betting perspective, it means very little chance of making money on him, unless you're prepared to bet big.
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May 08, 2022, 06:15:13 AM
Alcaraz suffered a foot injury (right ankle) in the second set, but he composed himself in the 3rd to close out Rafa and have his first win against him. Nadal still very positive during post injury even though he losses this match.
I was forcing Alcaraz all the time in this tournament and wanted to do the same all the way to the trophy but that foot injury has me worried. He moved poorly in second set and then started playing good in third again and that was while the injury did not have time to cool down. Could make him some problems today and if you are not on your 100% Djoković is the worst possible opponent. Really disappointed I have to skip this one.

But surprisingly, even with a foot injury, Alcaraz won against Djokovic, and he Djokovic was all praised with this kid. So skipping the match might be a good idea for now, but he will go and move to the finals but no choice to either go with him or bet on the result of Zverev and Tsitsipas later.

I didnt see any slow movement for him so i dont think the foot injury was serious at all. But he played an amazing tennis and will be no1 for sure in the future. Also Novak Djokovic had a chance in the second set and missed some clear shots that costed him the win

Yes, no signs of slow movement for Alcaraz. So we will see Alcaraz in the finals once again against Zverev.

If Alcaraz continue with his amazing run, he could be the winner. I'm just thinking of making the O/U bet on just the handicap, we will see.

Alcaraz ML - 1.53
Zverev ML - 2.55

Might be a 'safe' bet for Alcaraz with that odds, but you have to throw big money in order to get at least a good return.

But I like Trofo's analysis on Zverev, so this might be a very close match and tough one to call. I might as well go with the underdog Zverev here ML, maybe he can upset Alcaraz.
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May 08, 2022, 05:27:35 AM
Alcaraz suffered a foot injury (right ankle) in the second set, but he composed himself in the 3rd to close out Rafa and have his first win against him. Nadal still very positive during post injury even though he losses this match.
I was forcing Alcaraz all the time in this tournament and wanted to do the same all the way to the trophy but that foot injury has me worried. He moved poorly in second set and then started playing good in third again and that was while the injury did not have time to cool down. Could make him some problems today and if you are not on your 100% Djoković is the worst possible opponent. Really disappointed I have to skip this one.

But surprisingly, even with a foot injury, Alcaraz won against Djokovic, and he Djokovic was all praised with this kid. So skipping the match might be a good idea for now, but he will go and move to the finals but no choice to either go with him or bet on the result of Zverev and Tsitsipas later.

I didnt see any slow movement for him so i dont think the foot injury was serious at all. But he played an amazing tennis and will be no1 for sure in the future. Also Novak Djokovic had a chance in the second set and missed some clear shots that costed him the win

Yes, no signs of slow movement for Alcaraz. So we will see Alcaraz in the finals once again against Zverev.

If Alcaraz continue with his amazing run, he could be the winner. I'm just thinking of making the O/U bet on just the handicap, we will see.
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May 08, 2022, 01:49:22 AM
^^ I also also on Alcaraz bandwagon to win the Madrid Open. I didn't see the effect of the injury he suffered on the Nadal match. Maybe he is nursing it or something, but his body is still young that he was able to play even with him not feeling comfortable.
No offense to Zverev, but this match might end in just 2 sets win for Alcaraz.
Alcaraz has a lot of it going his way but I expect Zverev to be his toughest opponent yet. Alcaraz had 50 forehand winners against Djoković yesterday which is unbelievable but Zverev will not give him the opportunity. He will look to dictate points as well. They already played twice and Zverev won both matches easy, granted it was a year ago and on different surface and Alcaraz came a long way since then, but that result will be somewhere in their minds anyway.

If this match was played on any other clay court I would say Alcaraz, but this is Madrid, very high attitude which suits Zverev perfectly. He has 2 titles here in the last 3 years Madrid was played. Says enough for player who is not clay specialists.

I am thinking of handicap on Zverev or skipping the match. Really though to call this one.
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May 08, 2022, 01:45:59 AM
is this a tournament that shows change on the top
Alcaraz kicked Nadal, now Djokovic, and he could see himself on top, really fast

both matches were tight, third set tie-break against Djokovic, mental strength is there, and Djokovic was not bad today

Tsitsi and Zverev, will be interesting, and who would see Alcaraz in the final, but seems that Alcaraz is going to win this one

It is nice to see that Alcaraz has beaten both Nadal and Djokovic but I think it is too soon to say that there will be a change at the top. Roland Garros will start in a little bit more than 1 week and for me Nadal is still the top favorite to win another title. There a lot of (young) players coming up strongly but we will need to see how they will perform in the grandslams, because after all, that are the tournaments that really matter.

You are right, GS are the most important tournaments for all tennis players.
Other tennis tournaments are easier to win because they are played on two won sets and there is much less pressure.
It is much harder to win a GS tournament because the competition is much bigger, matches last longer, it takes a lot more physical strength and psychological stability, and the pressure from the public and the media is huge.
Alcaraz is certainly the future of tennis and will win a lot of GS tournaments but I don’t think he will win any GS this year. I think it's too early for him.
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May 08, 2022, 01:30:02 AM
^^ I also also on Alcaraz bandwagon to win the Madrid Open. I didn't see the effect of the injury he suffered on the Nadal match. Maybe he is nursing it or something, but his body is still young that he was able to play even with him not feeling comfortable.
No offense to Zverev, but this match might end in just 2 sets win for Alcaraz.
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May 08, 2022, 01:23:05 AM
Alcaraz suffered a foot injury (right ankle) in the second set, but he composed himself in the 3rd to close out Rafa and have his first win against him. Nadal still very positive during post injury even though he losses this match.
I was forcing Alcaraz all the time in this tournament and wanted to do the same all the way to the trophy but that foot injury has me worried. He moved poorly in second set and then started playing good in third again and that was while the injury did not have time to cool down. Could make him some problems today and if you are not on your 100% Djoković is the worst possible opponent. Really disappointed I have to skip this one.

But surprisingly, even with a foot injury, Alcaraz won against Djokovic, and he Djokovic was all praised with this kid. So skipping the match might be a good idea for now, but he will go and move to the finals but no choice to either go with him or bet on the result of Zverev and Tsitsipas later.

I didnt see any slow movement for him so i dont think the foot injury was serious at all. But he played an amazing tennis and will be no1 for sure in the future. Also Novak Djokovic had a chance in the second set and missed some clear shots that costed him the win

Yes he looked fully fit. A few things I noticed from the match, Alcaraz seems to
have more versatility in his game than Djokovic and is a harder hitter too. His winning
points also seemed to be more - Spectacular. He should win today against Zverev.

One of the commentators on Amazon Prime last night said the fact that the game
was played so late and the air temperature was so much lower than the daytime Zverev
had more time between shots, the late game suited him more than Tsitsipas who had
way too many unforced errors.

Its Alcaraz for me today.
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May 07, 2022, 04:36:46 PM
is this a tournament that shows change on the top
Alcaraz kicked Nadal, now Djokovic, and he could see himself on top, really fast

both matches were tight, third set tie-break against Djokovic, mental strength is there, and Djokovic was not bad today

Tsitsi and Zverev, will be interesting, and who would see Alcaraz in the final, but seems that Alcaraz is going to win this one

It is nice to see that Alcaraz has beaten both Nadal and Djokovic but I think it is too soon to say that there will be a change at the top. Roland Garros will start in a little bit more than 1 week and for me Nadal is still the top favorite to win another title. There a lot of (young) players coming up strongly but we will need to see how they will perform in the grandslams, because after all, that are the tournaments that really matter.
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May 07, 2022, 03:53:02 PM
Alcaraz suffered a foot injury (right ankle) in the second set, but he composed himself in the 3rd to close out Rafa and have his first win against him. Nadal still very positive during post injury even though he losses this match.
I was forcing Alcaraz all the time in this tournament and wanted to do the same all the way to the trophy but that foot injury has me worried. He moved poorly in second set and then started playing good in third again and that was while the injury did not have time to cool down. Could make him some problems today and if you are not on your 100% Djoković is the worst possible opponent. Really disappointed I have to skip this one.

But surprisingly, even with a foot injury, Alcaraz won against Djokovic, and he Djokovic was all praised with this kid. So skipping the match might be a good idea for now, but he will go and move to the finals but no choice to either go with him or bet on the result of Zverev and Tsitsipas later.

I didnt see any slow movement for him so i dont think the foot injury was serious at all. But he played an amazing tennis and will be no1 for sure in the future. Also Novak Djokovic had a chance in the second set and missed some clear shots that costed him the win
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May 07, 2022, 03:38:56 PM
Alcaraz suffered a foot injury (right ankle) in the second set, but he composed himself in the 3rd to close out Rafa and have his first win against him. Nadal still very positive during post injury even though he losses this match.
I was forcing Alcaraz all the time in this tournament and wanted to do the same all the way to the trophy but that foot injury has me worried. He moved poorly in second set and then started playing good in third again and that was while the injury did not have time to cool down. Could make him some problems today and if you are not on your 100% Djoković is the worst possible opponent. Really disappointed I have to skip this one.

But surprisingly, even with a foot injury, Alcaraz won against Djokovic, and he Djokovic was all praised with this kid. So skipping the match might be a good idea for now, but he will go and move to the finals but no choice to either go with him or bet on the result of Zverev and Tsitsipas later.
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May 07, 2022, 02:58:28 PM
is this a tournament that shows change on the top
Alcaraz kicked Nadal, now Djokovic, and he could see himself on top, really fast

both matches were tight, third set tie-break against Djokovic, mental strength is there, and Djokovic was not bad today

It was really close game, but in the end, it was still Alcaraz with a very difficult win. So another final appearance for this kid. He held his nerve against one of the best in breaking you down mentally but he succeeded.

Tsitsi and Zverev, will be interesting, and who would see Alcaraz in the final, but seems that Alcaraz is going to win this one

The Tsitsi and Zverev match will start in just a couple of minutes. This could be another 3 set game and I reckon Tsitsi will win.
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May 07, 2022, 01:06:53 PM
is this a tournament that shows change on the top
Alcaraz kicked Nadal, now Djokovic, and he could see himself on top, really fast

both matches were tight, third set tie-break against Djokovic, mental strength is there, and Djokovic was not bad today

Tsitsi and Zverev, will be interesting, and who would see Alcaraz in the final, but seems that Alcaraz is going to win this one
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