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Quote from: aoluain on September 29, 2021, 12:45:52 PM

Anyone betting on the Sofia tournament?

I'm following Sinner who is defending champion from last year. Hes is playing
Gerasimov tomorrow and is heavy favourite. There are a lot of well known players
competing.

As seeded as well as the defending champion makes him a huge favorite here, and he has a great chance of winning again this year.
Today's match that I think is interesting to follow and choose as a bet is I. Ivashka vs. G. Monfils and I choose over 20.5.

Ivashka is slight favourite I see I have Millman to beat Marchenko and De Minaur
seeded 3 to beat Giron as well as Sinner of course.

There are a lot of matches which are close affairs, another interesting one is Duckworth
who has been fairly decent this season playing Paire who is as we know unpredictable.

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Quote from: aoluain on September 29, 2021, 12:45:52 PM

Anyone betting on the Sofia tournament?

I'm following Sinner who is defending champion from last year. Hes is playing
Gerasimov tomorrow and is heavy favourite. There are a lot of well known players
competing.

As seeded as well as the defending champion makes him a huge favorite here, and he has a great chance of winning again this year.
Today's match that I think is interesting to follow and choose as a bet is I. Ivashka vs. G. Monfils and I choose over 20.5.

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Quote from: minairia3 on September 29, 2021, 01:10:07 PM

Quote from: Kemarit on September 28, 2021, 07:21:40 PM

Quote from: Trofo on September 28, 2021, 12:04:48 PM

Osaka is different story, her problem is in mental part of the game and no coach in the world can help her. That is for her to figure it out herself or more probably in therapy sessions. Maybe a coach who was a top player before could somewhat alleviate pressure with advice and examples from his career but I think her problems are much more serious than usual match pressure. Hopefully we will see Osaka back on tour soon.

We initially thought that in the case of Osaka, it was really the coach, because of the timing, after winning a Grand slam she immediate switch coach and the same reason that Radacunu is giving us. She needs to go to the next level and the current coach doesn't have the experience to help her out. Later we found out that Osaka has a mental issue, but I still believed that it was a bad move to change coach.

Mental issues are tough. Apart from therapy sessions, coaches can also sometimes give out advice on their own I'm guessing. But so far I'm feeling positive about the coaching change. Yes, she has taken a hard decision, but this will only benefit her in her career in the long run. She is still 18 and has already won a tournament in the highest level by defeating some top ranked players and I'm very eager to see how she does in the future.

Yes, mental issues not just for tennis players, but all other high profile athletes as well, it was a taboo topic before, but thanks to Osaka for bringing this up and accepting and recognizing it and let all the people know, that tennis players are human too and are undergoing a lot.

So let's hope Raducanu will not fall for it, as we have said it is very difficult to cope. She is still young too, a lot of learning experience a long the way.

@aoluain - I haven't check the tournament, yet, but will see, maybe a couple of bets around.

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Quote from: Kemarit on September 28, 2021, 07:21:40 PM

Quote from: Trofo on September 28, 2021, 12:04:48 PM

Osaka is different story, her problem is in mental part of the game and no coach in the world can help her. That is for her to figure it out herself or more probably in therapy sessions. Maybe a coach who was a top player before could somewhat alleviate pressure with advice and examples from his career but I think her problems are much more serious than usual match pressure. Hopefully we will see Osaka back on tour soon.

We initially thought that in the case of Osaka, it was really the coach, because of the timing, after winning a Grand slam she immediate switch coach and the same reason that Radacunu is giving us. She needs to go to the next level and the current coach doesn't have the experience to help her out. Later we found out that Osaka has a mental issue, but I still believed that it was a bad move to change coach.

Mental issues are tough. Apart from therapy sessions, coaches can also sometimes give out advice on their own I'm guessing. But so far I'm feeling positive about the coaching change. Yes, she has taken a hard decision, but this will only benefit her in her career in the long run. She is still 18 and has already won a tournament in the highest level by defeating some top ranked players and I'm very eager to see how she does in the future.

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Anyone betting on the Sofia tournament?

I'm following Sinner who is defending champion from last year. Hes is playing
Gerasimov tomorrow and is heavy favourite. There are a lot of well known players
competing.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on September 29, 2021, 03:52:00 AM

Who wouldn't, I mean if she thinks that it will be good for her career, then we are going to support here. And we could only wish that it will be the wise decision that she will every made.
Besides, if I'm not mistaken, the coach that she newly hired is far more experienced. He guided Serena's career. Raducanu might be thinking that he can duplicate Serena's success with her. She is still young and can learn a lot from his new coach.

We already should not think that she will be able to do what Serena has done, but it's always good to have hoped as Raducanu is very talented. She has already proven herself and her capabilities. And as the new coach is far experienced than the previous one, I'm hoping that she will achieve new heights in women's tennis. She is still very young and has a lot of years to go, if the injury is not a big issue, hope she will do very well in her career, maybe become one of the best one day.

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Quote from: Cnut237 on September 29, 2021, 08:13:48 AM

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Yes, there was zero expectation on her throughout the US Open run. Even in the final she was ranked way below Fernandez, and it was Fernandez who had taken most of the headlines with her string of wins against top seeds. I do think both players will do well, they're too good not to - but yes it will certainly be different now with the weight of expectation on both, and Raducanu especially. Nevertheless, I think they will both handle it well.

agree, Raducanu will have pressure on her shoulders, but I think she can handle it, talent is there and hard work as well
as it looks at the moment, she could have very successful career, and get many GS's during the same, could even say that if progress in the same way, she can set top position on WTA list next year, lately there was several solid women players, but Raducanu seems better than all of them, and Serena is not here anymore

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Quote from: Cnut237 on September 29, 2021, 08:13:48 AM

Raducanu didn't dump her coach, it's stupid media sensationalism. The agreement was he helped her out on a temporary basis for the summer. It was never going to be a permanent arrangement.

Quote from: babygun on September 28, 2021, 12:20:06 PM

Before her win, she was probably the underdog in most of the matches but with her grandslam title, there will be much more pressure on her to deliver top results.

Yes, there was zero expectation on her throughout the US Open run. Even in the final she was ranked way below Fernandez, and it was Fernandez who had taken most of the headlines with her string of wins against top seeds. I do think both players will do well, they're too good not to - but yes it will certainly be different now with the weight of expectation on both, and Raducanu especially. Nevertheless, I think they will both handle it well.

But Raducanu was the favourite to win the US Open against Fernandez. But she blasted Fernandez is 2 sets.

I agree that the future is very bright for this 2 young ladies, and maybe we will see them fighting it out the finals again. It's good to hear that Richardson was just to accompany Radunacu in the US Open, so it was a coach in trial. It was reported that it might be Darren Cahill who just split with Simona Halep. and this is not the first time that Raducanu decided to switch coaches. If she will get Cahill, I think it will be the 3rd coach that she will have in like 2-3 years.

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Raducanu didn't dump her coach, it's stupid media sensationalism. The agreement was he helped her out on a temporary basis for the summer. It was never going to be a permanent arrangement.

Quote from: babygun on September 28, 2021, 12:20:06 PM

Before her win, she was probably the underdog in most of the matches but with her grandslam title, there will be much more pressure on her to deliver top results.

Yes, there was zero expectation on her throughout the US Open run. Even in the final she was ranked way below Fernandez, and it was Fernandez who had taken most of the headlines with her string of wins against top seeds. I do think both players will do well, they're too good not to - but yes it will certainly be different now with the weight of expectation on both, and Raducanu especially. Nevertheless, I think they will both handle it well.

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Quote from: babygun on September 27, 2021, 12:31:01 PM

Quote from: Jating on September 26, 2021, 08:56:19 PM

The thing with Monfils is that he is inconsistent in the last 2-3 years if I'm not mistaken. But during his prime years he was really that good and gave us a good tennis, even with the big 3, Federer, Nadal and Djokovic.

In the finals, it was the top seed that won the tournament, Hurkacz, in the first set it was really very close and I thought that Carreno Busta would have a chance. In the second set, Hurkacz has an early big and that is enough for a 2 set straight win, 7-6, 6-3, and it's under 22.5.

Monfils is a talent but he has never delivered what you would have expected of him. He never won a grandslam or even came close it. He had the bad luck that the big 3 was/is active in the same timeperiod. I still like to watch him as he can still deliver some crazy shots Grin

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Yeah, that's what I'm saying, against the big 3 and then showing us super and crazy shots, Lol. Those are my memories watching Monfils when he was in his prime. He can give anyone a good and hard match even the big 3.

However, he played in an era wherein Federer, Nadal and Djokovic was so dominant.

Haven't check tennis matches yet, anyone betting on any tournament? Need to scratch this itch, Grin

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Quote from: Maidak on September 27, 2021, 09:55:16 AM

Quote from: aoluain on September 27, 2021, 05:13:16 AM

With success comes more pressure, pressures from all sides, internally in her team
and personal life and externally, a lot depends on how she is able to deal with it.
She will also have to decipher who has her interests prioritised and who has their
own interests in mind.
At the next competition when things start going against her thats when her fortitude will
come into play. Hopefully she has it and can cope and progress.

I support her decision of changing the coach. Sometimes one has to make some hard decisions in order to succeed. What she has done will only benefit her in the longer run. But maybe she could have shown a bit of love to her previous coach, like maybe keep him for some more time along with the new experienced coach. But keeping in mind that as she has won a tournament, the fans expect more from her which is normal, and to tackle that bringing in a new and experienced coach is normal in my opinion which will help her get better.

Who wouldn't, I mean if she thinks that it will be good for her career, then we are going to support here. And we could only wish that it will be the wise decision that she will every made.

Besides, if I'm not mistaken, the coach that she newly hired is far more experienced. He guided Serena's career. Raducanu might be thinking that he can duplicate Serena's success with her. She is still young and can learn a lot from his new coach.

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Quote from: Trofo on September 28, 2021, 12:04:48 PM

Quote from: kro55 on September 28, 2021, 11:28:32 AM

A lot of that will surely depend on how she is coached right? So the new coach will play a vital role in how her career turns out to be. If she is not nurtured correctly, what happened with Osaka might happen to her no cap. But I think that if she has taken the decision to change the coach, it will be the correct one. I am eagerly waiting for her to be one of the best players in women's tennis one day.

Osaka is different story, her problem is in mental part of the game and no coach in the world can help her. That is for her to figure it out herself or more probably in therapy sessions. Maybe a coach who was a top player before could somewhat alleviate pressure with advice and examples from his career but I think her problems are much more serious than usual match pressure. Hopefully we will see Osaka back on tour soon.

We initially thought that in the case of Osaka, it was really the coach, because of the timing, after winning a Grand slam she immediate switch coach and the same reason that Radacunu is giving us. She needs to go to the next level and the current coach doesn't have the experience to help her out. Later we found out that Osaka has a mental issue, but I still believed that it was a bad move to change coach.

Quote from: Trofo on September 28, 2021, 12:04:48 PM

I am looking forward to see how Raducanu will develop. She had a great few months but now it will be much tougher for her. She will get more respect from others on tour and that means players will start to prepare better for matches with her.

We will see how it unfolds, she is still young and she is enjoying her tennis. Hopefully, no mental issues whatsoever arises if she can't make a follow up to her success.

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Quote from: Maidak on September 27, 2021, 09:55:16 AM

Quote from: aoluain on September 27, 2021, 05:13:16 AM

With success comes more pressure, pressures from all sides, internally in her team
and personal life and externally, a lot depends on how she is able to deal with it.
She will also have to decipher who has her interests prioritised and who has their
own interests in mind.
At the next competition when things start going against her thats when her fortitude will
come into play. Hopefully she has it and can cope and progress.

I support her decision of changing the coach. Sometimes one has to make some hard decisions in order to succeed. What she has done will only benefit her in the longer run. But maybe she could have shown a bit of love to her previous coach, like maybe keep him for some more time along with the new experienced coach. But keeping in mind that as she has won a tournament, the fans expect more from her which is normal, and to tackle that bringing in a new and experienced coach is normal in my opinion which will help her get better.

But it doesnt make any sense to change a coach after that same coach helps you to
win a GS title. If it aint broke dont fix it! A new coach can be a big change, new
routines, new game plays etc. and if they dont work straight away pressure
starts mounting.

News from a few days ago is that Halep has split (again) from her coach, this makes sense,
she is abusive to her coach/team and has gone off the boil in the last few years since she
won her last GS in 2019. It wasnt working so things need to change.

We could see a link up between Darren Cahill and Emma Raducanu?

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Quote from: Trofo on September 28, 2021, 12:04:48 PM

Osaka is different story, her problem is in mental part of the game and no coach in the world can help her. That is for her to figure it out herself or more probably in therapy sessions. Maybe a coach who was a top player before could somewhat alleviate pressure with advice and examples from his career but I think her problems are much more serious than usual match pressure. Hopefully we will see Osaka back on tour soon.

I am looking forward to see how Raducanu will develop. She had a great few months but now it will be much tougher for her. She will get more respect from others on tour and that means players will start to prepare better for matches with her.

I sincerely hope that everything will turn out OK for Osaka but I think only a top sports mental coach (they exist) can help for her problems. It has done wonders for someone as Ronnie O'Sullivan.

You are right for Raducanu and it will be interesting to see how she can cope with that. Before her win, she was probably the underdog in most of the matches but with her grandslam title, there will be much more pressure on her to deliver top results.

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Quote from: kro55 on September 28, 2021, 11:28:32 AM

A lot of that will surely depend on how she is coached right? So the new coach will play a vital role in how her career turns out to be. If she is not nurtured correctly, what happened with Osaka might happen to her no cap. But I think that if she has taken the decision to change the coach, it will be the correct one. I am eagerly waiting for her to be one of the best players in women's tennis one day.

Osaka is different story, her problem is in mental part of the game and no coach in the world can help her. That is for her to figure it out herself or more probably in therapy sessions. Maybe a coach who was a top player before could somewhat alleviate pressure with advice and examples from his career but I think her problems are much more serious than usual match pressure. Hopefully we will see Osaka back on tour soon.

I am looking forward to see how Raducanu will develop. She had a great few months but now it will be much tougher for her. She will get more respect from others on tour and that means players will start to prepare better for matches with her.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on September 28, 2021, 08:22:31 AM

Quote from: Maidak on September 27, 2021, 09:55:16 AM

I support her decision of changing the coach. Sometimes one has to make some hard decisions in order to succeed. What she has done will only benefit her in the longer run. But maybe she could have shown a bit of love to her previous coach, like maybe keep him for some more time along with the new experienced coach. But keeping in mind that as she has won a tournament, the fans expect more from her which is normal, and to tackle that bringing in a new and experienced coach is normal in my opinion which will help her get better.

In fact, we have yet to see if this change of coach will be a good decision for her or completely wrong.
She is a very young girl, with little or no experience in professional tennis, and she is in a very sensitive phase of her tennis career because after great success everyone has huge expectations of her.
I hope that what happened to Osaka will not happen to her, that she will break under the burden of great expectations.
I think it’s important that she continues to work with people she trusts, and that she might also seek professional psychological help so she can withstand a lot of public pressure now.

A lot of that will surely depend on how she is coached right? So the new coach will play a vital role in how her career turns out to be. If she is not nurtured correctly, what happened with Osaka might happen to her no cap. But I think that if she has taken the decision to change the coach, it will be the correct one. I am eagerly waiting for her to be one of the best players in women's tennis one day.

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Quote from: Maidak on September 27, 2021, 09:55:16 AM

I support her decision of changing the coach. Sometimes one has to make some hard decisions in order to succeed. What she has done will only benefit her in the longer run. But maybe she could have shown a bit of love to her previous coach, like maybe keep him for some more time along with the new experienced coach.

I think the whole thing has been blown up and sensationalised by the media, who know that anything involving Raducanu is huge news at the moment, and are desperate to print a big story... even when, as in this case, there's no actual story at all.

She hasn't dumped her coach at all. Richardson was taken on as a temporary appointment for the US part of the season. He was never going to stay long term, and had already stated months ago that he didn't want to travel around the world on the circuit all season anyway.

The non-story of "Shock As Ungrateful Raducanu Dumps Coach Who Guided Her To US Open Triumph!!!" could more accurately be reported as: "Temporary contract ends as agreed." ... but the truth doesn't generate sales or clicks.

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Quote from: Maidak on September 27, 2021, 09:55:16 AM

Quote from: aoluain on September 27, 2021, 05:13:16 AM

With success comes more pressure, pressures from all sides, internally in her team
and personal life and externally, a lot depends on how she is able to deal with it.
She will also have to decipher who has her interests prioritised and who has their
own interests in mind.
At the next competition when things start going against her thats when her fortitude will
come into play. Hopefully she has it and can cope and progress.

I support her decision of changing the coach. Sometimes one has to make some hard decisions in order to succeed. What she has done will only benefit her in the longer run. But maybe she could have shown a bit of love to her previous coach, like maybe keep him for some more time along with the new experienced coach. But keeping in mind that as she has won a tournament, the fans expect more from her which is normal, and to tackle that bringing in a new and experienced coach is normal in my opinion which will help her get better.

In fact, we have yet to see if this change of coach will be a good decision for her or completely wrong.
She is a very young girl, with little or no experience in professional tennis, and she is in a very sensitive phase of her tennis career because after great success everyone has huge expectations of her.
I hope that what happened to Osaka will not happen to her, that she will break under the burden of great expectations.
I think it’s important that she continues to work with people she trusts, and that she might also seek professional psychological help so she can withstand a lot of public pressure now.

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Quote from: Jating on September 26, 2021, 08:56:19 PM

The thing with Monfils is that he is inconsistent in the last 2-3 years if I'm not mistaken. But during his prime years he was really that good and gave us a good tennis, even with the big 3, Federer, Nadal and Djokovic.

In the finals, it was the top seed that won the tournament, Hurkacz, in the first set it was really very close and I thought that Carreno Busta would have a chance. In the second set, Hurkacz has an early big and that is enough for a 2 set straight win, 7-6, 6-3, and it's under 22.5.

Monfils is a talent but he has never delivered what you would have expected of him. He never won a grandslam or even came close it. He had the bad luck that the big 3 was/is active in the same timeperiod. I still like to watch him as he can still deliver some crazy shots Grin

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Quote from: aoluain on September 27, 2021, 05:13:16 AM

With success comes more pressure, pressures from all sides, internally in her team
and personal life and externally, a lot depends on how she is able to deal with it.
She will also have to decipher who has her interests prioritised and who has their
own interests in mind.
At the next competition when things start going against her thats when her fortitude will
come into play. Hopefully she has it and can cope and progress.

I support her decision of changing the coach. Sometimes one has to make some hard decisions in order to succeed. What she has done will only benefit her in the longer run. But maybe she could have shown a bit of love to her previous coach, like maybe keep him for some more time along with the new experienced coach. But keeping in mind that as she has won a tournament, the fans expect more from her which is normal, and to tackle that bringing in a new and experienced coach is normal in my opinion which will help her get better.

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