Teofimo Lopez Vs. Jamaine Ortiz WBO Welterweight Title February 8 - page 2.

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Quote from: cabron on February 08, 2024, 01:55:50 PM

I'm just going to throw peanuts for Ortiz by UD because I have some gut feeling this is gonna be an upset and then I'm more confident in Ortiz.

Because Teo had not KO Loma, he may not be able to KO Ortiz as well, Jamaine Ortiz is not named The Technician for nothing. He also survived against Loma without getting knocked out. It's all just my hunch, I didn't get rich with my gut feeling but I certainly won some of my bets because of it.

Why not mate? he is a huge underdog and odd makers didn't respecdt that Ortiz survived against Loma and even give Loma a good fight. Ortiz also has a underrated footwork that might gave Teo problems early.

And if he was not able to solved that, they maybe it's going to be a very close fight for Teo and he has to rally late like what Loma did against Ortiz. But we all know that Lopez is not known to be a technical boxer, he just loves to brawl and this could be a wrong style for him against Ortiz.

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I'm just going to throw peanuts for Ortiz by UD because I have some gut feeling this is gonna be an upset and then I'm more confident in Ortiz.

Because Teo had not KO Loma, he may not be able to KO Ortiz as well, Jamaine Ortiz is not named The Technician for nothing. He also survived against Loma without getting knocked out. It's all just my hunch, I didn't get rich with my gut feeling but I certainly won some of my bets because of it.

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Quote from: Natalim on February 08, 2024, 08:41:29 AM

Can't wait to watch this fight. Teo will again showcase his special talent, and might easily dispose Ortiz in this battle.

I like Teofimo's reaction to their faceoff he is more relaxed and calculated gone are the days where he resorted to cheap thrash talk like he did with Kambosos he learned a lot from that fight.
I agree that this should be an easy assignment for Teofimo before heading for big fights maybe after this fight he will go for a unification title, and fight either Haney or Matias, Teofimo is ambitious the three champions in that weight divisions are all undefeated so its better that after this fight Lopez negotiate for a title unification

By the way the round by round updates for this fight is already listed here in case you cannot watch a live feed but if there are live feeds from social media I will drop it here

https://www.mmafighting.com/2024/2/8/24065569/teofimo-lopez-vs-jamaine-ortiz-live-round-by-round-updates

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Quote from: cabron on February 07, 2024, 12:10:31 PM

Here's the press con yesterday. It felt like Teo was not in his right mind anymore I couldn't find a proper emoji to insert to describe him Roll Eyes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWn58IwLtQs

All the time, he was pretending to be reading that Bruce Lee book that he tried to apply to himself. It felt like this was a loss anymore. I'm having doubts Teo will win this fight. It's like listening to someone with deep thoughts I think he said he already has climbed the top and come back down again so he understands it all. He lives in his small book.

Correct, not sure what's going in the mind of Teo and the way he talks, looks like he is high and talk something about his idol Bruce Lee and then previous Puerto Rican great boxers and then Jesus? WTF? And then have some words on Keyshawn Davis beside him.

So not sure what to get out of this press conference in my opinion, no animosity to bring fight to this fight or something that fans can be excited for his defense of his belt.

It was different though in the weigh-in, Teo trying to punk Ortiz, but it's not working. But it good to hear that they have the same weight, or at least no one goes about the 140 lbs and make this fight difficult for both sides.

The video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZu2OG8Kopw

Just a good laugh as someone telling Teo to read his book, Grin

Can't wait to watch this fight. Teo will again showcase his special talent, and might easily dispose Ortiz in this battle.

Don't miss the betting odds of the fight.
Teo x1.18 vs Oritz x 5.80 ( big underdog)

I think I'm going to be on Teo to win via KO, currently it's @2.90... It's unlikely but I like to see Ortiz being aggressive so he'll not last 12 rounds. I still respect the power of Teo with 13 Ko from 19 fights.

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I will be more interested on Keyshawn Davis, he could be the next big star for boxing here. And yeah maybe in the future he will call out Teo at 140 lbs. Keyshawn though has a lot in his plate at Lightweight, all roads lead to Tank Davis or Shakur Stevenson.

That will be the biggest fight at 135 lbs, but let's see if he is just hype or really the next big thing for us.

So it's better to see if he can live to the noise behind his name, at least we will know what the future will be at Lightweight with Keyshawn.

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Quote from: Dave1 on February 07, 2024, 02:56:12 PM

Quote from: cabron on February 07, 2024, 12:10:31 PM

Here's the press con yesterday. It felt like Teo was not in his right mind anymore I couldn't find a proper emoji to insert to describe him Roll Eyes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWn58IwLtQs

All the time, he was pretending to be reading that Bruce Lee book that he tried to apply to himself. It felt like this was a loss anymore. I'm having doubts Teo will win this fight. It's like listening to someone with deep thoughts I think he said he already has climbed the top and come back down again so he understands it all. He lives in his small book.

Correct, not sure what's going in the mind of Teo and the way he talks, looks like he is high and talk something about his idol Bruce Lee and then previous Puerto Rican great boxers and then Jesus? WTF? And then have some words on Keyshawn Davis beside him.

So not sure what to get out of this press conference in my opinion, no animosity to bring fight to this fight or something that fans can be excited for his defense of his belt.

It was different though in the weigh-in, Teo trying to punk Ortiz, but it's not working. But it good to hear that they have the same weight, or at least no one goes about the 140 lbs and make this fight difficult for both sides.

The video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZu2OG8Kopw

Just a good laugh as someone telling Teo to read his book, Grin

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Quote from: cabron on February 07, 2024, 12:10:31 PM

Here's the press con yesterday. It felt like Teo was not in his right mind anymore I couldn't find a proper emoji to insert to describe him Roll Eyes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWn58IwLtQs

All the time, he was pretending to be reading that Bruce Lee book that he tried to apply to himself. It felt like this was a loss anymore. I'm having doubts Teo will win this fight. It's like listening to someone with deep thoughts I think he said he already has climbed the top and come back down again so he understands it all. He lives in his small book.

Correct, not sure what's going in the mind of Teo and the way he talks, looks like he is high and talk something about his idol Bruce Lee and then previous Puerto Rican great boxers and then Jesus? WTF? And then have some words on Keyshawn Davis beside him.

So not sure what to get out of this press conference in my opinion, no animosity to bring fight to this fight or something that fans can be excited for his defense of his belt.

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Here's the press con yesterday. It felt like Teo was not in his right mind anymore I couldn't find a proper emoji to insert to describe him Roll Eyes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWn58IwLtQs

All the time, he was pretending to be reading that Bruce Lee book that he tried to apply to himself. It felt like this was a loss anymore. I'm having doubts Teo will win this fight. It's like listening to someone with deep thoughts I think he said he already has climbed the top and come back down again so he understands it all. He lives in his small book.

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Quote from: coin-investor on February 07, 2024, 10:04:07 AM

I also going to bet on Lopez when he is not triggered and relaxed he is a very good tactician in the ring, and he seems fine in the interview not unlike the Kambosos fight where he is triggered by thrashtalks.

He is more focus now.. I think he already learned his lessoned when he experience his first loss, but currently he is on a winning streak on a very convincing wins. It wasn't a surprise that 10 of the voters in the poll have voted for Lopez to win either by KO or UD, total votes goes to him.

Nothing is special with Ortiz , he is not even a KO artist, so how can he beat Lopez who has the power in both hands, can withstand heavy punches, and a very smart boxer in the ring. As we can see in the OP, Ortiz only have 8 KO's from 17 wins which is only 47% KO rate, not a real threat.

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Quote from: Baofeng on February 07, 2024, 03:07:11 AM

Nothing spectacular on that press conference though, both has so much respect with each other. If Teo will stay relax and not get clip early, he will definitely win this fight. Ortiz is much taller but I don't think it has a advantage in this fight. It's more on the boxing IQ, and as per Teo, he has mature now and so he has the experience against Ortiz.

They already met in the ring nine years ago in their amateur days, Lopez won the match but he earned respect of Lopez so they know each other but not that well since they amateur fought and we all know that there are great amateur boxers that did not translate their success in the professional, while there are boxers who are a poor performer in the amateur but ended to be great champions we can site boxers like Tyson, Wilder and many great names to mention

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During their amateur days, Lopez and Ortiz locked horned horns.

They met as teenagers in the final of the Golden Gloves at junior lightweight in May 2015. At the end of three rounds, Lopez was the victor but Ortiz got his licks in.

https://www.ringtv.com/664214-jamaine-ortiz-expects-the-best-version-of-teofimo-lopez-in-their-ring-championship

I also going to bet on Lopez when he is not triggered and relaxed he is a very good tactician in the ring, and he seems fine in the interview not unlike the Kambosos fight where he is triggered by thrashtalks.

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Quote from: TravelMug on February 06, 2024, 03:29:29 PM

This just pop in my feed, the official video promo for this fight,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYmklORcW2M

Nothing spectacular, and the theme of the video is all about legacy. Not sure if the press conference has started it. The official Top Rank Youtube is already there but still like running for 20 minutes and nothing is to be heard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JAlIU3uxRA

Nothing spectacular on that press conference though, both has so much respect with each other. If Teo will stay relax and not get clip early, he will definitely win this fight. Ortiz is much taller but I don't think it has a advantage in this fight. It's more on the boxing IQ, and as per Teo, he has mature now and so he has the experience against Ortiz.

It's also interesting to see the co main event or the undercard here, KeyShawn Davis vs Pedraza.

I don't know, I think Pedraza should have retired already, he has taken so much damage that I wouldn't be surprised here if Davis scored a spectacular knockout.

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This just pop in my feed, the official video promo for this fight,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYmklORcW2M

Nothing spectacular, and the theme of the video is all about legacy. Not sure if the press conference has started it. The official Top Rank Youtube is already there but still like running for 20 minutes and nothing is to be heard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JAlIU3uxRA

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^^ Good odds for a knockout as that's what I'm looking for Teo Lopez to win here maybe in the late rounds as well. Lopez is full of confidence although others might agree that some of his statement lately are very controversial even with his current promotional company, which is Top Rank as he criticized them about his fights and the purse money.

Anyhow, he is under contract and I think this might look like a tough fight for him, but I think he will dominate Ortiz here and again, maybe that odds for a knockout win is very much what I will look for as it is very appealing to me and maybe to others as well.

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How time flies, and with that, this fight is going to be this week already?

And I thought it's going to be on weekend, anyhow looking at the odds, Ortiz is a 5:1 underdog. Although he has good performance against Loma and won against Moran in his last fight, the odd makers still picks up Teo Lopez as the favorite.

Lopez by KO is good though @2.75.

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Yeah, but that's still considered a dominant win because he won on the 3 judges scorecard, although both scored 115-113, that's close but we haven't heard any complaints from the side of Teo that they have been cheated or the score is not fair.

You might not call it schooling, but if you read this article from below:

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Despite Lopez's clear dominance, the scorecards were a bit of a scare for the new champion, reading 115-113, 115-113, 117-111.

https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/josh-taylor-vs-teofimo-lopez-jr-fight-results-highlights-the-takeover-scores-big-upset-to-earn-wbo-title/live/

The score was close but if we were able to watch the fight, we can say that Teofimo was really the one dictating the fight, so we can also call that schooling since it's expected that Josh Taylor would have a good fight, IIRC, he was even the favorite (probably slight only) but Teofimo steal that moment in the fight as right from the start, it's already evident that Teofimo was very comfortable and winning every round.

I think even Josh Taylor himself knows he lose the fight, so that alone is already a proof that it he was dominated.

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Josh Taylor believes he simply had a “bad night” when he lost to Teofimo Lopez earlier this summer.

https://www.boxingscene.com/josh-taylor-on-rebounding-from-lopez-loss-i-plenty-option-just-bad-night--177694

Yes, that's what I'm trying to say, most of the time the judges scorecard doesn't really reflect what the "real score" inside the ring. Even in the Bivol vs Canelo fight, it's very close in the judges scorecard, but we know that Bivol took Canelo to school and dominated that fight. And yet the judges seems to make the score close to even a conspiracy that they might want Canelo to win on that fight.

If the fight was a close one, and although the real winner is Bivol, judges could manipulate the scorecards in favor of Canelo because he is a big name in boxing, and with his win, it will create stories that will make the boxing industry better. This conspiracy theory ain't new, because it happened from time to time although it's not prove, but we can notice if we have an investigator minds.

Quote from: Kemarit on December 26, 2023, 05:46:58 AM

Anyhow, fight is still very far and maybe fighters are not yet into serious training right now as they want to just enjoy the holiday with their families.

Or just maybe hitting the gym but not putting serious work, just loosening and maybe next year is where the hard work starts.

The real training starts next year, although we can't say that everyone are not so serious this holiday season as not everyone are observing or celebrating the holiday season.

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Yeah, but that's still considered a dominant win because he won on the 3 judges scorecard, although both scored 115-113, that's close but we haven't heard any complaints from the side of Teo that they have been cheated or the score is not fair.

You might not call it schooling, but if you read this article from below:

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Despite Lopez's clear dominance, the scorecards were a bit of a scare for the new champion, reading 115-113, 115-113, 117-111.

https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/josh-taylor-vs-teofimo-lopez-jr-fight-results-highlights-the-takeover-scores-big-upset-to-earn-wbo-title/live/

The score was close but if we were able to watch the fight, we can say that Teofimo was really the one dictating the fight, so we can also call that schooling since it's expected that Josh Taylor would have a good fight, IIRC, he was even the favorite (probably slight only) but Teofimo steal that moment in the fight as right from the start, it's already evident that Teofimo was very comfortable and winning every round.

I think even Josh Taylor himself knows he lose the fight, so that alone is already a proof that it he was dominated.

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Josh Taylor believes he simply had a “bad night” when he lost to Teofimo Lopez earlier this summer.

https://www.boxingscene.com/josh-taylor-on-rebounding-from-lopez-loss-i-plenty-option-just-bad-night--177694

Yes, that's what I'm trying to say, most of the time the judges scorecard doesn't really reflect what the "real score" inside the ring. Even in the Bivol vs Canelo fight, it's very close in the judges scorecard, but we know that Bivol took Canelo to school and dominated that fight. And yet the judges seems to make the score close to even a conspiracy that they might want Canelo to win on that fight.

Anyhow, fight is still very far and maybe fighters are not yet into serious training right now as they want to just enjoy the holiday with their families.

Or just maybe hitting the gym but not putting serious work, just loosening and maybe next year is where the hard work starts.

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Quote from: btc_angela on December 26, 2023, 12:42:02 AM

But this could be the same if Teo Lopez started to dominate the fight again from round 1 and never give Ortiz some room to counter.

This is the kind of scenario I'm expecting to see in this fight. IMO, Teo is just too much for Jamaine Ortiz although some may disgaree, but Jamaine Ortiz isn't a champion caliber fighter, so how can we expect him to give a tough fight to Teo.

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And who knows, maybe Lopez can KO Ortiz here.

Well, probably one of the biggest upset that will happen this year, but honestly, I'm not seeing it happening, so the chance is very slim.

Maybe Teo will loss, the worst case scenario, but to get KO'd, it's too unlikely.

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^^ Yes it depends on what we see, but it's obvious that Teo has dictated the fight all throughout the game, and so this could be schooling by some standards. And as you pointed out, and I remember that, Josh admitted that, maybe it was the weight as he has difficult making 140 lbs or just really a bad stylistic matchup for him.

And now Lopez is the lineal champion, and will have to face maybe a tougher opponent that we expect in Ortiz.

But this could be the same if Teo Lopez started to dominate the fight again from round 1 and never give Ortiz some room to counter. And who knows, maybe Lopez can KO Ortiz here.

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Quote from: Kemarit on December 24, 2023, 04:24:50 AM

Yeah, but that's still considered a dominant win because he won on the 3 judges scorecard, although both scored 115-113, that's close but we haven't heard any complaints from the side of Teo that they have been cheated or the score is not fair.

You might not call it schooling, but if you read this article from below:

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Despite Lopez's clear dominance, the scorecards were a bit of a scare for the new champion, reading 115-113, 115-113, 117-111.

https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/josh-taylor-vs-teofimo-lopez-jr-fight-results-highlights-the-takeover-scores-big-upset-to-earn-wbo-title/live/

The score was close but if we were able to watch the fight, we can say that Teofimo was really the one dictating the fight, so we can also call that schooling since it's expected that Josh Taylor would have a good fight, IIRC, he was even the favorite (probably slight only) but Teofimo steal that moment in the fight as right from the start, it's already evident that Teofimo was very comfortable and winning every round.

I think even Josh Taylor himself knows he lose the fight, so that alone is already a proof that it he was dominated.

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Josh Taylor believes he simply had a “bad night” when he lost to Teofimo Lopez earlier this summer.

https://www.boxingscene.com/josh-taylor-on-rebounding-from-lopez-loss-i-plenty-option-just-bad-night--177694

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I thought Lopez has already announced his retirement from professional boxing? These boxers announcing retirement cannot stick to their word probably because of money and the desire to fight.

Ortiz is probably an easy opponent for Teofimo. Teofimo is still quick, so in terms of points he may outscore Ortiz. In terms of powerful punch that will bring the fight to an end anytime within rounds, Teofimo has also more power than Ortiz, so I think Lopez is still at an advantage. But I voted Lopez by UD.

I didn't think that you will believed his retirement announcement though? I mean he is still very young to retire and you can see from his personality that he make controversial statements and probably his retirement announcement is just one antics on his fight. I guess he already proves that he has power in this division and now he beat the unify champion in Josh Taylor. So this is his first time to defend his belt, so I think he will be the favorite and has all the advantage and possible that he can KO Lopez here although I think Ortiz could be bigger fight night if there is no rehydration clause.

Yes, Teofimo's mouth sometimes releases words and statements that haven't gone through his brain. But his decision to cancel that retirement is probably just right. He is still young and can still do a lot of things in the ring, not to mention continue making money. It's still easy for him to look for opponents.

What do you mean he can KO Lopez? You mean Lopez can KO Ortiz? That's possible because Teofimo has strong punches. But I'm not expecting so much from Lopez anymore. That UD win over Taylor is not an indication of power. That was a close fight and Taylor wasn't even knocked down.

Yeah, but if you look at the score, it was UD win for Lopez, so meaning he almost win every round and you can say that he schooled the former unified champion at 140 lbs. And the handed the first defend of Taylor so that shows how good Lopez is, despite his showboating at times and then releasing controversial statement in the media.

And what's important is that he won, he might not knock down Taylor, but it's a hard fought fight and in the end he emerges as victories.

So in this fight, we might see Lopez style, maybe going into another 12 full round fight is Ortiz is tougher, or if he can take his punch then maybe he will push and want to score a knockout win.

A unanimous decision win doesn't mean the winner is winning almost every round or schooling the opponent. Teofimo indeed won via a unanimous decision against Taylor, but did you take a look at the official score cards? One judge gave 117-111 for Lopez. That's a score which means Lopez dominated the fight. But the other two judges gave the same score, 115-113 for Teofimo. That means Lopez won 7 of the 12 rounds and Taylor won 5. 7 versus 5 doesn't mean the winner is schooling his opponent. Schooling is like Haney recently winning over Prograis. He won via UD with all three judges giving 120-107. That's schooling.

Yeah, but that's still considered a dominant win because he won on the 3 judges scorecard, although both scored 115-113, that's close but we haven't heard any complaints from the side of Teo that they have been cheated or the score is not fair.

You might not call it schooling, but if you read this article from below:

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Despite Lopez's clear dominance, the scorecards were a bit of a scare for the new champion, reading 115-113, 115-113, 117-111.

https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/josh-taylor-vs-teofimo-lopez-jr-fight-results-highlights-the-takeover-scores-big-upset-to-earn-wbo-title/live/

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