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Quote from: Haunebu on November 21, 2019, 02:22:14 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on November 21, 2019, 12:21:08 AM

6th wicket down now, have to say very bad decision from ground and third umpire. it was clearly no ball from pat Cummins but umpire gave Mohammad Rizwan out anyway. what's the use of technology if you still not going to use it correctly,

This has been a problem for sometime now. The frequency of bad decisions keeps increasing with time and I blame ICC for this. Majority of the decisions given by the umpires these days are so messed up that I feel like the viewers can do a better job in comparison.

Seriously, I'm starting to lose interest in cricket due to such decisions. It's time ICC get the umpires replaced by the robots.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 21, 2019, 12:04:00 PM

The only reliable method to attract the crowd is to make sure that the matches are not one-sided. People may be attracted by the concept of Day/Night test matches, but the curiosity will not remain forever. Here are some of my suggestions:

1. Remove the concept of toss. The visiting team will decide which side will bat first.
2. The big-3 (India, Australia and England) will play more often, and each series between these three sides will consist of 5 test matches each.
3. Series between the big 3 and the other teams will consist of single test matches.
4. The ICC will make sure that players from West Indies, Pakistan.etc play for their national sides whenever there is a test match going on.
5. If a team performs poorly on a consistent basis (such as Zimbabwe), then the test status should be permanently cancelled.

Some of your suggestions make a lot of sense and I partially agree with you though I doubt ICC will implement any of these steps since they already would have if they wanted to and some of your suggestions are way too complicated.

Example : Points 2 and 4 are not practical since players should decide when and where they wish to play(Complete freedom) and team schedules are planned several years in advance which is why they cannot simply change them for certain teams.

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Quote from: ene1980 on November 21, 2019, 11:44:23 AM

The main reason ICC is implementing day night Test match is because they think they can attract the crowd and whether these experiments will succeed can be seen in the future, when ODI started day night matches they were able to attract more crowds to the ground and even in this longer format i think they are trying to replicate that success.

The only reliable method to attract the crowd is to make sure that the matches are not one-sided. People may be attracted by the concept of Day/Night test matches, but the curiosity will not remain forever. Here are some of my suggestions:

1. Remove the concept of toss. The visiting team will decide which side will bat first.
2. The big-3 (India, Australia and England) will play more often, and each series between these three sides will consist of 5 test matches each.
3. Series between the big 3 and the other teams will consist of single test matches.
4. The ICC will make sure that players from West Indies, Pakistan.etc play for their national sides whenever there is a test match going on.
5. If a team performs poorly on a consistent basis (such as Zimbabwe), then the test status should be permanently cancelled.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on November 21, 2019, 11:36:35 AM

Don't worry about the lack of DN test matches because Pakistan will be playing with Australia in the next test match at Adelaide Oval, and this match will be a Day Night. In future, we may expect the whole test series to be day night one. This will also increase the crowds in the stadium, as people are free from jobs / business to come in the ground to support their teams.

The main reason ICC is implementing day night Test match is because they think they can attract the crowd and whether these experiments will succeed can be seen in the future, when ODI started day night matches they were able to attract more crowds to the ground and even in this longer format i think they are trying to replicate that success.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on November 21, 2019, 11:06:34 AM

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Quote from: JSRAW on November 21, 2019, 08:02:09 AM

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Bangladesh PM Sheikh Hasina and West Bengal CM Mamata Banerjee will ring the bell before the start of play, while paratroopers - yes, you read that right - will fly in to deliver the pink balls to the two captains at the start.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/110912/pink-preoccupies-eden-as-day-night-tests-arrive-in-the-realm

This is big and it seems really good for cricket. But in the ground if there are no competition then everything will fade away. I hope Bangladesh will give a good fight.
Imagine if this was in between Australia and India :-D

For sure, we needed this test match to between the two big teams and not like a one sided dull match. There are very few day and night test matches and we want them to be trilling. As I remember the last day&night test match happened from 24 to 28 January 2019 in Brisbane. This match was also one sided and Australia won by an innings and some 40 odd runs.

Don't worry about the lack of DN test matches because Pakistan will be playing with Australia in the next test match at Adelaide Oval, and this match will be a Day Night. In future, we may expect the whole test series to be day night one. This will also increase the crowds in the stadium, as people are free from jobs / business to come in the ground to support their teams.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 21, 2019, 11:15:54 AM

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You can find the details of that series here:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/scores/series/15565/australia-tour-of-india-2000-01

I feel sad whenever I recall information about these old matches, because I still miss some of the players. Glenn McGrath was one of my favorite fast bowlers and even after almost two decades I don't think that the Australians have found a successor to him. Harbhajan Singh handled the spin department for India back then, and I rate him above any of the present day Indian spinners.

Okay I was wrong about 5 match Test match series. It was 3 match Test series and the first one won by Australia and they were ahead. Then in the 2nd Test India made history from from disaster first innings to win the match from some great batting showdown in the 2nd innings: https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/15565/scorecard/63920/india-vs-australia-2nd-test-australia-tour-of-india-2000-01

VVS Laxman became a brand after that.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on November 21, 2019, 10:58:09 AM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 21, 2019, 10:39:09 AM

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That 281 by VVS Laxman was against one of the best bowling attacks of that time. And it will be difficult to believe that it came during the 3rd innings. India followed on after getting all-out for 171 in the first innings, but then made 657/7 in the next innings. Laxman and Dravid had a 5th wicket partnership of 376 runs, against a bowling attack that consisted of McGrath, Gillespie and Warne.

And not to mention that Test was actually a historic Test. The entire Indian team took a U - turn and save the series from losing. They also stopped the consecutive Test winning record in this series.
If I can recall then this was the third Test of the series and first two Test was already won by Australia. India drew that Test and then won the last two Test.
Please help me to find the record. I am not sure if I am right but my memory is saying something like this.

You can find the details of that series here:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/scores/series/15565/australia-tour-of-india-2000-01

I feel sad whenever I recall information about these old matches, because I still miss some of the players. Glenn McGrath was one of my favorite fast bowlers and even after almost two decades I don't think that the Australians have found a successor to him. Harbhajan Singh handled the spin department for India back then, and I rate him above any of the present day Indian spinners.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on November 21, 2019, 09:56:22 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on November 21, 2019, 08:02:09 AM

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Bangladesh PM Sheikh Hasina and West Bengal CM Mamata Banerjee will ring the bell before the start of play, while paratroopers - yes, you read that right - will fly in to deliver the pink balls to the two captains at the start.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/110912/pink-preoccupies-eden-as-day-night-tests-arrive-in-the-realm

This is big and it seems really good for cricket. But in the ground if there are no competition then everything will fade away. I hope Bangladesh will give a good fight.
Imagine if this was in between Australia and India :-D

For sure, we needed this test match to between the two big teams and not like a one sided dull match. There are very few day and night test matches and we want them to be trilling. As I remember the last day&night test match happened from 24 to 28 January 2019 in Brisbane. This match was also one sided and Australia won by an innings and some 40 odd runs.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on November 21, 2019, 10:39:09 AM

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That 281 by VVS Laxman was against one of the best bowling attacks of that time. And it will be difficult to believe that it came during the 3rd innings. India followed on after getting all-out for 171 in the first innings, but then made 657/7 in the next innings. Laxman and Dravid had a 5th wicket partnership of 376 runs, against a bowling attack that consisted of McGrath, Gillespie and Warne.

And not to mention that Test was actually a historic Test. The entire Indian team took a U - turn and save the series from losing. They also stopped the consecutive Test winning record in this series.
If I can recall then this was the third Test of the series and first two Test was already won by Australia. India drew that Test and then won the last two Test.
Please help me to find the record. I am not sure if I am right but my memory is saying something like this.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on November 20, 2019, 10:39:25 PM

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I don't know who is managing the board but them have to think about it . I still recall the time when they had Akmal, Misbah, Younis..such fine players. If things remain like this, they will likely by left out with capable bowlers only and only be relying on them rather than on inexperienced batsman in future.

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Quote from: RapTarX on November 21, 2019, 10:14:16 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on November 21, 2019, 08:02:09 AM

Sourav Ganguly first gig turning out to be good for Test cricket so far, he left no stone unturned for this. Inviting Bangladesh's Hon. PM Sheikh Hasina along with first test team of Bangladesh. i really hope after this he will take care of spectators concerns regarding stadium facilities etc.

This will be great. He is trying to create some buzz around. I guess the match will be full of visitors. Well, he will certainly take care of everything, he was a good sportsman after all.
It's Eden Garden; oldest stadium in India. Let me bring some test history for team India on the board.

Highest Score- 657/d by India
Lowest Score- 90 by India
Lowest Win Margin- 28 runs by India
Highest Individual- 281 by VVS Laxman

These are some good stats for the upcoming match. Moreover, it's the broken Bangladesh.

That 281 by VVS Laxman was against one of the best bowling attacks of that time. And it will be difficult to believe that it came during the 3rd innings. India followed on after getting all-out for 171 in the first innings, but then made 657/7 in the next innings. Laxman and Dravid had a 5th wicket partnership of 376 runs, against a bowling attack that consisted of McGrath, Gillespie and Warne.

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Quote from: JSRAW on November 21, 2019, 08:02:09 AM

Sourav Ganguly first gig turning out to be good for Test cricket so far, he left no stone unturned for this. Inviting Bangladesh's Hon. PM Sheikh Hasina along with first test team of Bangladesh. i really hope after this he will take care of spectators concerns regarding stadium facilities etc.

This will be great. He is trying to create some buzz around. I guess the match will be full of visitors. Well, he will certainly take care of everything, he was a good sportsman after all.
It's Eden Garden; oldest stadium in India. Let me bring some test history for team India on the board.

Highest Score- 657/d by India
Lowest Score- 90 by India
Lowest Win Margin- 28 runs by India
Highest Individual- 281 by VVS Laxman

These are some good stats for the upcoming match. Moreover, it's the broken Bangladesh.

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Quote from: JSRAW on November 21, 2019, 08:02:09 AM

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Bangladesh PM Sheikh Hasina and West Bengal CM Mamata Banerjee will ring the bell before the start of play, while paratroopers - yes, you read that right - will fly in to deliver the pink balls to the two captains at the start.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/110912/pink-preoccupies-eden-as-day-night-tests-arrive-in-the-realm

This is big and it seems really good for cricket. But in the ground if there are no competition then everything will fade away. I hope Bangladesh will give a good fight.
Imagine if this was in between Australia and India :-D

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on November 21, 2019, 08:36:23 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on November 21, 2019, 08:02:09 AM

Sourav Ganguly first gig turning out to be good for Test cricket so far, he left no stone unturned for this. Inviting Bangladesh's Hon. PM Sheikh Hasina along with first test team of Bangladesh. i really hope after this he will take care of spectators concerns regarding stadium facilities etc.

So BCCI is inaugurating the day night Test match with a bang and there is a reason for that, if the match could attract the audience interest which they are looking for and it will become a grand success in the grant scheme of things then we might see day night matches quite often and their main focal point will be TRP rating and stadium audience.

The day/night test match is attracting a lot of interest, because it is a new concept. But they won't be able to retain this interest, if the matches turn out to be one-sided. And with the current condition of Bangladesh, I am not expecting anything extra-ordinary from them. It will be a miracle, if the match lasts for more than three days.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on November 21, 2019, 08:36:23 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on November 21, 2019, 08:02:09 AM

Sourav Ganguly first gig turning out to be good for Test cricket so far, he left no stone unturned for this. Inviting Bangladesh's Hon. PM Sheikh Hasina along with first test team of Bangladesh. i really hope after this he will take care of spectators concerns regarding stadium facilities etc.

So BCCI is inaugurating the day night Test match with a bang and there is a reason for that, if the match could attract the audience interest which they are looking for and it will become a grand success in the grant scheme of things then we might see day night matches quite often and their main focal point will be TRP rating and stadium audience.

Yes, this truly serves to be a change in the cricketing if it gets predicted response from the audience. Already few matches have taken place which has lead to historical records and now it is the 12th match to be played. First in this category of pink ball cricket for India and Bangladesh. A very different experience for both the teams. In day night test cricket Australia has the dominance on wins while Pakistan holds the record for highest run scoring. Can expect few records to be broken in this match. Cheesy

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on November 21, 2019, 05:32:28 AM

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A T20 or one day might be won single handed but a test match cannot be won alone. Even if Rizwan was batting well, yet the whole team got out on 240. This means that even if he remained not out, the team could have scored on 30-40 more runs. You should give credit to the Australian players who are continuing their good form in this test too.

You cannot predict the outcome of a wicket as we have seen some surprising match winning innings in the past and if the Pakistan bowlers can restrict the Australian batsman then it will be an interesting match and these 30 to 40 runs might be a huge difference. With the technology in place the umpires need to check the decisions if they are not hundred percent certain and in this case Cummins bowled a no ball and no one rectified that and the third umpire was chilling at that time Cheesy

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So if the third umpires knew that he had bowled a no ball, can't they interfere and ask the field umpires to change their decision. Why is that field umpires can trigger the third umpires and third umpires cannot advise the field umpire directly.

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Quote from: JSRAW on November 21, 2019, 08:02:09 AM

Sourav Ganguly first gig turning out to be good for Test cricket so far, he left no stone unturned for this. Inviting Bangladesh's Hon. PM Sheikh Hasina along with first test team of Bangladesh. i really hope after this he will take care of spectators concerns regarding stadium facilities etc.

So BCCI is inaugurating the day night Test match with a bang and there is a reason for that, if the match could attract the audience interest which they are looking for and it will become a grand success in the grant scheme of things then we might see day night matches quite often and their main focal point will be TRP rating and stadium audience.

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Sourav Ganguly first gig turning out to be good for Test cricket so far, he left no stone unturned for this. Inviting Bangladesh's Hon. PM Sheikh Hasina along with first test team of Bangladesh. i really hope after this he will take care of spectators concerns regarding stadium facilities etc.

https://www.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/110912/pink-preoccupies-eden-as-day-night-tests-arrive-in-the-realm

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Day-Night Test is finally in India, and Sourav Ganguly & Co. have spared no expense or idea to create a stirring buzz. There's been instant gratification for all the efforts too, in the form of rapid ticket sales that has seen the first four days of the Test being sold out already.

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The quick turnaround time between the newly-appointed BCCI president Sourav Ganguly suggesting the need to play a Day-Night fixture and the board actually hosting one was surprisingly short, given India's reluctance to play it in Australia in late 2018. But Kohli had a defence to offer, believing it's the sort of a concept that first needs to be trialled at home, before the team can take the plunge on away shores.

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What to expect: A lot of uncertainty. There's a healthy grass cover on the pitch that will aide the quicks. Kohli believes the pink ball has been travelling a lot quicker than anticipated, making catches difficult to take. There's also the issue of dew that could cripple the bowling side under lights. The weather is expected to be clear throughout, though.

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Quote from: BitcoinsGreat on November 21, 2019, 05:02:15 AM

A T20 or one day might be won single handed but a test match cannot be won alone. Even if Rizwan was batting well, yet the whole team got out on 240. This means that even if he remained not out, the team could have scored on 30-40 more runs. You should give credit to the Australian players who are continuing their good form in this test too.

It's not about winning single handed match. It's all about inattentiveness of the umpire. Rizwan might get out on the next ball but the decision is controversial, it's wrong in deed.
Test match can also be single handed. Stoke has proved that as well in the Ashes.

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Quote from: JSRAW on November 21, 2019, 03:12:19 AM

It was very hard for Ground Umpire but Third umpire had millions of camera angle and footage but still he went with soft decision of out which was original decision. i can make peace with Ground umpire when it comes to close calls but third umpire simply has no excuse. this kind of decision can cost game to one team, Rizwan was playing very well and was in attacking mode.

A T20 or one day might be won single handed but a test match cannot be won alone. Even if Rizwan was batting well, yet the whole team got out on 240. This means that even if he remained not out, the team could have scored on 30-40 more runs. You should give credit to the Australian players who are continuing their good form in this test too.

Guess, you forget the 3rd Match of the Ashes where ground umpire turned down the obvious LBW decision against the Ben stokes, He was out and Aussie team didn't had any review left. Result England won the match with 1 wicket.

If we are turning blind eye on ridiculous umpiring then its another discussion and i am fine with it. Having said that if we are talking about hypothetical world then why stick with 30-40 runs only, let's go with 100+ runs and we shouldn't forget Australia have to bat 4th inning. Grin

Not taking credit from Aussie Seamers..... just pissed off with the umpiring standard.

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