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I feel you guys are wrong in comparing Sachin and Smith as both have different styles of batting, and Sachin was definitely a great batsman when he was playing, and today Smith is undoubtedly one of the best batsmen in the world. Also Dravid was given a specific role i.e. he had to frustrate the bowlers while other batsmen scored runs, and had he not done that then Sehwag and Sachin would never have been able to score runs as wickets would have kept falling on the other side of the pitch.
This is exactly what I tried to mention,Smith of good player and one of the best at the moment but I said the world class where we also have to see the techniques along with batting styles that is why he is not greater in other formats yet but remember still he is young and will reach more and more high in the upcoming series.

Sachin was a player who was tailor-made for the ODI format. On the other hand, Smith is more suited for the test format when compared to the shorter formats. At least during the early part of his career, the Indian batting was heavily dependent on Sachin. When he failed, there was more than a 90% chance that India would lose the match. There is no such dependency on Smith, as they have good players such as David Warner, Aaron Finch and Marnus Labuschagne to support him.
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I feel you guys are wrong in comparing Sachin and Smith as both have different styles of batting, and Sachin was definitely a great batsman when he was playing, and today Smith is undoubtedly one of the best batsmen in the world. Also Dravid was given a specific role i.e. he had to frustrate the bowlers while other batsmen scored runs, and had he not done that then Sehwag and Sachin would never have been able to score runs as wickets would have kept falling on the other side of the pitch.
This is exactly what I tried to mention,Smith of good player and one of the best at the moment but I said the world class where we also have to see the techniques along with batting styles that is why he is not greater in other formats yet but remember still he is young and will reach more and more high in the upcoming series.
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Smith is not a world class batsman yet in my option as well because he is lacking some techniques while batting but he managed to score runs with his batting skills,still he was tested with strategies and got failed as well.


You need to rethink about your statement as he is one of best batsman in recent time because he is producing runs and giving very good results to his team which are helping them a lot Aussies are mostly done many strategies and they keep doing because they have really amazing system and good things to increase performance.
Scoring not alone makes them best batsmen,their techniques and range of shots.

Okay lets take Sehwag and Dravid as an example,Sehwag scores more runs than dravid on most of the matches but based on techniques Dravid is most stronger than Sehwag so now who you will say as best batsmen?
For me Sehwag is match winner and Dravid is not like this as technique not going to work every time you need to score runs for win and this not need any technique these runs can came from any where we have many batsmen those was technically not good but give good runs and results.

You can also compare him with Sachin, he is the number one batsman in the world till now. He did not have a technique like Dravid but still was a match-winner most of the time. I never heard Dravid being called as a match-winner but a wall to hold middle order. Technique do not work when you play cricket nowadays. It is always the presence of mind and choosing the write short at the write time.


No one can play drives better than Sachin as far as I know,so calling him as weak on his technique is not the right statement.

Dravid is not the match winner but we can compare his job with the recent India and NZ test series,most players were capable of scoring runs but no one holds the wickets in the middle order that is why everyone got failed.

I feel you guys are wrong in comparing Sachin and Smith as both have different styles of batting, and Sachin was definitely a great batsman when he was playing, and today Smith is undoubtedly one of the best batsmen in the world. Also Dravid was given a specific role i.e. he had to frustrate the bowlers while other batsmen scored runs, and had he not done that then Sehwag and Sachin would never have been able to score runs as wickets would have kept falling on the other side of the pitch.
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You can also compare him with Sachin, he is the number one batsman in the world till now. He did not have a technique like Dravid but still was a match-winner most of the time. I never heard Dravid being called as a match-winner but a wall to hold middle order. Technique do not work when you play cricket nowadays. It is always the presence of mind and choosing the write short at the write time.
No one can play drives better than Sachin as far as I know,so calling him as weak on his technique is not the right statement.

Dravid is not the match winner but we can compare his job with the recent India and NZ test series,most players were capable of scoring runs but no one holds the wickets in the middle order that is why everyone got failed.
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Smith is not a world class batsman yet in my option as well because he is lacking some techniques while batting but he managed to score runs with his batting skills,still he was tested with strategies and got failed as well.


You need to rethink about your statement as he is one of best batsman in recent time because he is producing runs and giving very good results to his team which are helping them a lot Aussies are mostly done many strategies and they keep doing because they have really amazing system and good things to increase performance.
Scoring not alone makes them best batsmen,their techniques and range of shots.

Okay lets take Sehwag and Dravid as an example,Sehwag scores more runs than dravid on most of the matches but based on techniques Dravid is most stronger than Sehwag so now who you will say as best batsmen?
For me Sehwag is match winner and Dravid is not like this as technique not going to work every time you need to score runs for win and this not need any technique these runs can came from any where we have many batsmen those was technically not good but give good runs and results.

You can also compare him with Sachin, he is the number one batsman in the world till now. He did not have a technique like Dravid but still was a match-winner most of the time. I never heard Dravid being called as a match-winner but a wall to hold middle order. Technique do not work when you play cricket nowadays. It is always the presence of mind and choosing the write short at the write time.
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Smith is not a world class batsman yet in my option as well because he is lacking some techniques while batting but he managed to score runs with his batting skills,still he was tested with strategies and got failed as well.


You need to rethink about your statement as he is one of best batsman in recent time because he is producing runs and giving very good results to his team which are helping them a lot Aussies are mostly done many strategies and they keep doing because they have really amazing system and good things to increase performance.
Scoring not alone makes them best batsmen,their techniques and range of shots.

Okay lets take Sehwag and Dravid as an example,Sehwag scores more runs than dravid on most of the matches but based on techniques Dravid is most stronger than Sehwag so now who you will say as best batsmen?
For me Sehwag is match winner and Dravid is not like this as technique not going to work every time you need to score runs for win and this not need any technique these runs can came from any where we have many batsmen those was technically not good but give good runs and results.
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Scoring not alone makes them best batsmen,their techniques and range of shots.

Okay lets take Sehwag and Dravid as an example,Sehwag scores more runs than dravid on most of the matches but based on techniques Dravid is most stronger than Sehwag so now who you will say as best batsmen?

Bro, In the end runs matter in the international arena. Just to give you one bizare example Sanjay Manjerkar had a excellent technique.  Grin
Smith might look ugly when playing shots due to his unconventional technique but he's damn fine player as far as Test Format is concern(Not talking about other format).

PS : Both are beautiful to watch. (Dravid-Sehwag)
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Smith is not a world class batsman yet in my option as well because he is lacking some techniques while batting but he managed to score runs with his batting skills,still he was tested with strategies and got failed as well.


You need to rethink about your statement as he is one of best batsman in recent time because he is producing runs and giving very good results to his team which are helping them a lot Aussies are mostly done many strategies and they keep doing because they have really amazing system and good things to increase performance.
Scoring not alone makes them best batsmen,their techniques and range of shots.

Okay lets take Sehwag and Dravid as an example,Sehwag scores more runs than dravid on most of the matches but based on techniques Dravid is most stronger than Sehwag so now who you will say as best batsmen?
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Smith is not a world class batsman yet in my option as well because he is lacking some techniques while batting but he managed to score runs with his batting skills,still he was tested with strategies and got failed as well.


You need to rethink about your statement as he is one of best batsman in recent time because he is producing runs and giving very good results to his team which are helping them a lot Aussies are mostly done many strategies and they keep doing because they have really amazing system and good things to increase performance.
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Smith is not a world class batsman yet in my option as well because he is lacking some techniques while batting but he managed to score runs with his batting skills,still he was tested with strategies and got failed as well.

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Smith is not a world class batsman yet in my option as well because he is lacking some techniques while batting but he managed to score runs with his batting skills,still he was tested with strategies and got failed as well.
Not sure what to say heheh.

Smith is World Class Test batsman (Rank no 1 now) and All time great. but yeah he's average batsman in the shorter format as many players are ahead of him in ODI and T-20.
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^^^^ Let's not debate whether Kohli or Smith is the better batsmen. That said, there can be no denying that Kohli is going through a rough patch right now, irrespective of the format (I am not ignoring his 254 against South Africa and 136 against Bangladesh, but they came against weak opposition in flat tracks). On the other hand, Smith has scored runs against quality opposition in conditions more favorable for the bowlers.
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I wouldn't say that he is the best batsman in all formats as Smith has played just as well in the past year since coming back so I would rate them as equal. Also those charts show that he has played more innings away which of course is why we see him have more hundreds away from home. Also keep in mind that Smith had a year out of the game and I believe that Smith would easily be the best batsman if he wasn't out for the year.

Oh well.... about more inning in away condition or overall, again let check smith's stat?

Please allow me to pop your bubble. Smith don't even come close when we talk about all 3 formats. In Test format sometimes (Sometimes) i rate smith higher than Kohli but its cat and mouse scenario for both of them. And when it comes to limited over cricket then smith is shit player over all, there are tons of players who are better than him. so i never consider smith as limited over cricketer, he can play fine inning once a while similar to any batsmen.


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These days, the number one batsman of the world has literally turned himself into a meme machine.

‘This gave me a laugh’- Mitchell Johnson takes a dig at Virat Kohli for his “Dikhadunga” statement

https://www.crictracker.com/this-gave-me-a-laugh-mitchell-johsnon-takes-a-dig-at-virat-kohli-for-his-dikhadunga-statement/


Mitchell Johnson is one of the big critic of Virat, be it personally or professional so he never miss any chance. but this statement “Dikhadunga” seems fake to me. i was following all the press conference and media briefing and didn't heard anything about it, until now.

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IMO, it's only a matter of time before Virat loses the top position as a batsman; the only thing that can save his position is Indian cricket board arranging a load of series within the homeground (India) and not anywhere else. Roll Eyes
Virat already lost the No 1 test batsman position in the Test format.

About another statement Grin

70 international 100s, majority in away tours with healthy average. he going with some bad phase but its just a matter of time.







Food for thought : When any SENA country makes Green wicket which favor home team and including 5 seamers in the squad ( Zero spinner) then its good for cricket but imagine the outcry if they tour India and facing 5 spinners instead of fast bowling. it applies to every SENA country

Double standard or Victorian mindset? Fast bowling is good, spin is bad?


Currently Virat is best batsman in all formats and every batsman face thinks like this he can bounce back in near future no worries.

I wouldn't say that he is the best batsman in all formats as Smith has played just as well in the past year since coming back so I would rate them as equal. Also those charts show that he has played more innings away which of course is why we see him have more hundreds away from home. Also keep in mind that Smith had a year out of the game and I believe that Smith would easily be the best batsman if he wasn't out for the year.
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~snip~

Mitchell Johnson is one of the big critic of Virat, be it personally or professional so he never miss any chance. but this statement “Dikhadunga” seems fake to me. i was following all the press conference and media briefing and didn't heard anything about it, until now.

~snip~

Mate, if that "dikhadunga" statement is fake, then Indian Express should really be sued by someone in India:

Virat Kohli struggles to come to terms with comprehensive New Zealand series loss

https://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/virat-kohli-struggles-to-come-to-terms-with-comprehensive-new-zealand-series-loss-6295456/

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When New Zealand were chasing, he (Kohli) was heard shouting at his teammates: “Jab India mein yeh log aayengey, tab dikha doonga.” A cry for revenge.

Don't want to sue them for spreading good joke. this whole incident "Dikhadunga" and Mitchelll Johnson is fun for average people, as it derives more click bait and audience.

On the other hand, important thing is to look at " Stump Mic" before any solid conclusion i would like if NZ broadcaster could release all audiotape. which is not possible because it always favors home condition, Same thing happend in SA vs Aus (Sand paper saga) or in any Indian home series ( recent Steve-Ishant).

In short this blame game is fucked up and have tons of layers, all we as fan can do is laugh-react-move on.
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These days, the number one batsman of the world has literally turned himself into a meme machine.

‘This gave me a laugh’- Mitchell Johnson takes a dig at Virat Kohli for his “Dikhadunga” statement

https://www.crictracker.com/this-gave-me-a-laugh-mitchell-johsnon-takes-a-dig-at-virat-kohli-for-his-dikhadunga-statement/


Mitchell Johnson is one of the big critic of Virat, be it personally or professional so he never miss any chance. but this statement “Dikhadunga” seems fake to me. i was following all the press conference and media briefing and didn't heard anything about it, until now.

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IMO, it's only a matter of time before Virat loses the top position as a batsman; the only thing that can save his position is Indian cricket board arranging a load of series within the homeground (India) and not anywhere else. Roll Eyes
Virat already lost the No 1 test batsman position in the Test format.

About another statement Grin

70 international 100s, majority in away tours with healthy average. he going with some bad phase but its just a matter of time.







Food for thought : When any SENA country makes Green wicket which favor home team and including 5 seamers in the squad ( Zero spinner) then its good for cricket but imagine the outcry if they tour India and facing 5 spinners instead of fast bowling. it applies to every SENA country

Double standard or Victorian mindset? Fast bowling is good, spin is bad?


Currently Virat is best batsman in all formats and every batsman face thinks like this he can bounce back in near future no worries.
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These days, the number one batsman of the world has literally turned himself into a meme machine.

‘This gave me a laugh’- Mitchell Johnson takes a dig at Virat Kohli for his “Dikhadunga” statement

https://www.crictracker.com/this-gave-me-a-laugh-mitchell-johsnon-takes-a-dig-at-virat-kohli-for-his-dikhadunga-statement/


Mitchell Johnson is one of the big critic of Virat, be it personally or professional so he never miss any chance. but this statement “Dikhadunga” seems fake to me. i was following all the press conference and media briefing and didn't heard anything about it, until now.

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IMO, it's only a matter of time before Virat loses the top position as a batsman; the only thing that can save his position is Indian cricket board arranging a load of series within the homeground (India) and not anywhere else. Roll Eyes
Virat already lost the No 1 test batsman position in the Test format.

About another statement Grin

70 international 100s, majority in away tours with healthy average. he going with some bad phase but its just a matter of time.







Food for thought : When any SENA country makes Green wicket which favor home team and including 5 seamers in the squad ( Zero spinner) then its good for cricket but imagine the outcry if they tour India and facing 5 spinners instead of fast bowling. it applies to every SENA country

Double standard or Victorian mindset? Fast bowling is good, spin is bad?

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IPL might rejuvenate many players like Hardik, Dhawan, Chahar, Bhuvi etc which is why it might help many returning players in a big way.

Sanju Samson is one player who has performed exceptionally well in the IPL, but failed to do the same while playing for the senior side. As you pointed out, there are others such as Hardik and Dhawan, but they are like regulars in the national side. This edition of the IPL may offer great opportunities for players such as Navdeep Saini, Khaleel Ahmed.etc to cement their place in the senior side. Anyway, there is extreme competition for the limited number of available slots.
Sanju Samson is interesting cricketer and looks strong when batting but he has big problem - Consistency- even in the IPL, Most of times he gives below average performance (Opposite to his talent and expectations) and sometime out of nowhere he gets his team out from the crisis.

Khaleel is disappointing example for everyone so far, Management still backing him because he's left arm bowler as left arm provides different angle to batsmen in cricket, otherwise he can't make into zonal teams.

@everyone : Guys, can we move this discussion into T-20 thread? . Discussing T-20 and IPL selection in Test Thread seems odd IMO.
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Navdeep saini was give an opportunity in the recent series with NZ. I won't say he performed badly but he can improve more. IPL will help newcomers to cement a seat in the national squad but the competition is so fierce that you do not get a lot of chance.

The Indian selectors do give opportunities for younger players in the T20 side every now and then. Navdeep Saini was lucky, as he got opportunity to play a few ODI matches as well. The real problem is that there are very few open slots available in the national team. Only when some of the regular players get injured the youngsters are given chances.
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IPL might rejuvenate many players like Hardik, Dhawan, Chahar, Bhuvi etc which is why it might help many returning players in a big way.

Sanju Samson is one player who has performed exceptionally well in the IPL, but failed to do the same while playing for the senior side. As you pointed out, there are others such as Hardik and Dhawan, but they are like regulars in the national side. This edition of the IPL may offer great opportunities for players such as Navdeep Saini, Khaleel Ahmed.etc to cement their place in the senior side. Anyway, there is extreme competition for the limited number of available slots.

Navdeep saini was give an opportunity in the recent series with NZ. I won't say he performed badly but he can improve more. IPL will help newcomers to cement a seat in the national squad but the competition is so fierce that you do not get a lot of chance.
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