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Quote from: Avirunes on October 28, 2019, 09:42:42 AM

It's still good to promote in those states. Who knows what player we can get from there in future? Our country promotes cricket a lot and it's a good thing. We have a good cricket audience and having support from that side will also be good in having a good strength in cricket's audience.

We have enough finance to spend on so I would say it as a good investment.

I am originally from one of these smaller states (Mizoram) and currently living in another small state (Tripura). The Mizoram state team was allowed to participate in the Ranji Trophy for the first time only in 2018. Earlier the BCCI used to ignore these smaller states and all the funding used to go to the larger states. But now they are being forced to provide facilities to the players from the smaller states.

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I am not very happy with the domestic cricket structure in India. There are simply too many first class sides. 37 is just too many, and it drags down the quality of the game. In Australia, they have only 6 teams and the quality of the domestic cricket is perhaps the best in the world. Even in England, they have only 18 county sides. And in India, many of the states have as many as 3 first class teams (Gujarat, Maharashtra.etc).

I don't know why you think that having a large no. of sides effects the quality. But I would say it has benefitted us a lot as we are enjoying a larger pool of capable players. This enables the board to search some raw talents and prospects. So far it is going down we as it seems.

Obviously having 37 first class teams means a very large player pool. At the same time, the quality waters down and only a few of the first class sides (such as Karnataka, Mumbai, Delhi.etc) can compete with first-class sides from the other countries such as Australia and England. What is the point in having separate first-class sides for small states such as Chandigarh and Nagaland, when they can't compete against the established teams?

I would suggest the BCCI to bring down the number of teams to 10 or 12 and this will improve the quality of first class cricket in India. Right now we have too many worthless and one sided matches in the domestic sector, such as Mizoram vs Mumbai and Nagaland vs Delhi. The smaller states needs to be given a chance, but why can't they compete as a combined side, rather than separate states?

It's still good to promote in those states. Who knows what player we can get from there in future? Our country promotes cricket a lot and it's a good thing. We have a good cricket audience and having support from that side will also be good in having a good strength in cricket's audience.

We have enough finance to spend on so I would say it as a good investment.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 28, 2019, 02:34:09 AM

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That's something new. Like the way board is thinking of trying to add something new and I really do hope this attracts the crowd. Slow format under the lights...let's see how it goes Cheesy

Quote from: Haunebu on October 28, 2019, 04:11:14 AM

This is great. I am expecting Bangladesh to agree. I wonder how the time of day affects the players since I never watched many of these matches.

Yeah its good one, though both boards are hypocrite if they play Day-Night match suddenly (they rejected idea of D/N test before) but fans doesn't care as long as its fun to watch and I have a feeling that we might see couple of more initiative from BCCI ; let's say fixed venues for Test Match.

@Haunebu Similar to D/N ODI but pink ball instead of Red Ball.

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Quote from: Haunebu on October 28, 2019, 04:11:14 AM

So? The number of teams does not matter much here. India is a Cricket hungry nation and their population is insane when compared to countries like Australia and England which is why it makes complete sense why they chose 37 1st class teams.

India currently has 29 states and seven Union territories, and that is why we have so many teams. Also, some of the states have more than one team (Gujarat is having 3 - Saurashtra, Gujarat and Baroda, and Maharashtra is also having 3 - Maharashtra, Mumbai and Vidarbha). And that is one of the reasons why we have the Duleep Trophy, in which the five zonal teams compete against each other.

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Quote from: Avirunes on October 28, 2019, 02:50:07 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on October 28, 2019, 12:21:43 AM

I am not very happy with the domestic cricket structure in India. There are simply too many first class sides. 37 is just too many, and it drags down the quality of the game. In Australia, they have only 6 teams and the quality of the domestic cricket is perhaps the best in the world. Even in England, they have only 18 county sides. And in India, many of the states have as many as 3 first class teams (Gujarat, Maharashtra.etc).

I don't know why you think that having a large no. of sides effects the quality. But I would say it has benefitted us a lot as we are enjoying a larger pool of capable players. This enables the board to search some raw talents and prospects. So far it is going down we as it seems.

Obviously having 37 first class teams means a very large player pool. At the same time, the quality waters down and only a few of the first class sides (such as Karnataka, Mumbai, Delhi.etc) can compete with first-class sides from the other countries such as Australia and England. What is the point in having separate first-class sides for small states such as Chandigarh and Nagaland, when they can't compete against the established teams?

I would suggest the BCCI to bring down the number of teams to 10 or 12 and this will improve the quality of first class cricket in India. Right now we have too many worthless and one sided matches in the domestic sector, such as Mizoram vs Mumbai and Nagaland vs Delhi. The smaller states needs to be given a chance, but why can't they compete as a combined side, rather than separate states?

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 28, 2019, 12:21:43 AM

I am not very happy with the domestic cricket structure in India. There are simply too many first class sides. 37 is just too many, and it drags down the quality of the game. In Australia, they have only 6 teams and the quality of the domestic cricket is perhaps the best in the world. Even in England, they have only 18 county sides. And in India, many of the states have as many as 3 first class teams (Gujarat, Maharashtra.etc).

So? The number of teams does not matter much here. India is a Cricket hungry nation and their population is insane when compared to countries like Australia and England which is why it makes complete sense why they chose 37 1st class teams.

Quote from: JSRAW on October 28, 2019, 02:34:09 AM

Finally, Good news in regards of Day-Night Test and attracting more crowd. let's hope Bangladesh cricket board calculate all pro-cons and comes up with best decision.

India propose Day-Night Test at Eden Gardens; Bangladesh yet to confirm

This is great. I am expecting Bangladesh to agree. I wonder how the time of day affects the players since I never watched many of these matches.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 28, 2019, 12:21:43 AM

I am not very happy with the domestic cricket structure in India. There are simply too many first class sides. 37 is just too many, and it drags down the quality of the game. In Australia, they have only 6 teams and the quality of the domestic cricket is perhaps the best in the world. Even in England, they have only 18 county sides. And in India, many of the states have as many as 3 first class teams (Gujarat, Maharashtra.etc).

I don't know why you think that having a large no. of sides effects the quality. But I would say it has benefitted us a lot as we are enjoying a larger pool of capable players. This enables the board to search some raw talents and prospects. So far it is going down we as it seems.

Quote from: JSRAW on October 28, 2019, 02:34:09 AM

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That's something new. Like the way board is thinking of trying to add something new and I really do hope this attracts the crowd. Slow format under the lights...let's see how it goes Cheesy

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Finally, Good news in regards of Day-Night Test and attracting more crowd. let's hope Bangladesh cricket board calculate all pro-cons and comes up with best decision.

India propose Day-Night Test at Eden Gardens; Bangladesh yet to confirm

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"They [BCCI] have proposed [Day-Night Test] us and we will let them know after thinking a while," BCB cricket operation chairman Akram Khan told reporters on Sunday. We have received the letter two or three days and we will take a decision in this regard but we have not discussed about it. We will let them know about our decision within one or two days," Akram Khan said.

BCB chief executive Nizamuddin Chowdhury said they cannot guarantee anything as yet because the decision depends on the players and team management.

"At first we have to take the consent of the players and members of the team managements about it. It is totally a technical matter [playing day-night Test from skill perspective] and we have to consider that there is preparation required to play a Test with a pink ball," Chouwdhury said.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on October 27, 2019, 01:08:07 PM

On average, an Indian domestic player takes part in a minimum of 7-8 first-class matches, in addition to a similar number of T20 and 50-over matches. So we can expect them to earn somewhere around ₹15,00,000 to ₹20,00,000 per year, on top of other perks such as daily allowances and food coupons. This might seem a low salary for those in the developed nations, but in India this is very significant.

But the thing is that while BCCI is a rich body which can afford these sort of salaries, BCB may not be able to afford it.

Even in India, the salaries used to be very low. Earlier, the Ranji Trophy players used to receive ₹10,000 per day as the match fees (until 2016-17). This was increased to ₹40,000 per day during the 2017-18 season. Also, during the same year it was decided to increase the number of first class sides from 29 to 37 by adding new teams such as Manipur and Mizoram.

I am not very happy with the domestic cricket structure in India. There are simply too many first class sides. 37 is just too many, and it drags down the quality of the game. In Australia, they have only 6 teams and the quality of the domestic cricket is perhaps the best in the world. Even in England, they have only 18 county sides. And in India, many of the states have as many as 3 first class teams (Gujarat, Maharashtra.etc).

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on October 27, 2019, 11:20:25 AM

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As you said they'll probably ask for compensation for the loss incurred and even bar him from future series after the Indian Tour. But I don't think that he'll be kicked out of the upcoming Indian tour, as there is only a week left for the start of the tour, one of the best allrounder in the team, no better player to replace him, no announcement regarding his removal yet and he is smiling during the practice session Tongue

Why do you think that he'll be kicked out? -skip-

I didn't say he'll be kicked out of the Indian tour Roll Eyes

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The players were demanding a rise of 300% (from 35,000 taka per match to 100,000 taka). I am not sure how much they got. But I have a feeling that they are asking for too much. In India, the Ranji trophy players are being paid ₹140,000 for every four-day match. The Bangladeshi players are asking for similar salary... and I don't know whether the board can afford that.

When you see these kind of salaries we want our kids to play cricket as they will earn a months salary playing a four day game Cheesy

. I had no idea Ranji players will be getting this much salary for a game and it is not a small amount by any means and if the players are demanding 300% increase in salary is too much to bargain and i highly doubt that the cricket board will accept that demand but there will be a substantial increase but not the level they are demanding.

On average, an Indian domestic player takes part in a minimum of 7-8 first-class matches, in addition to a similar number of T20 and 50-over matches. So we can expect them to earn somewhere around ₹15,00,000 to ₹20,00,000 per year, on top of other perks such as daily allowances and food coupons. This might seem a low salary for those in the developed nations, but in India this is very significant.

But the thing is that while BCCI is a rich body which can afford these sort of salaries, BCB may not be able to afford it.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on October 27, 2019, 09:33:38 AM

The players were demanding a rise of 300% (from 35,000 taka per match to 100,000 taka). I am not sure how much they got. But I have a feeling that they are asking for too much. In India, the Ranji trophy players are being paid ₹140,000 for every four-day match. The Bangladeshi players are asking for similar salary... and I don't know whether the board can afford that.

All depends upon the board and their willingness to pay for the players . I think if they want quality and a good team then they will have to pay the best to their players who can serve their country the best and also help them to make a good living out of it .

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on October 27, 2019, 09:33:38 AM

The players were demanding a rise of 300% (from 35,000 taka per match to 100,000 taka). I am not sure how much they got. But I have a feeling that they are asking for too much. In India, the Ranji trophy players are being paid ₹140,000 for every four-day match. The Bangladeshi players are asking for similar salary... and I don't know whether the board can afford that.

When you see these kind of salaries we want our kids to play cricket as they will earn a months salary playing a four day game Cheesy

. I had no idea Ranji players will be getting this much salary for a game and it is not a small amount by any means and if the players are demanding 300% increase in salary is too much to bargain and i highly doubt that the cricket board will accept that demand but there will be a substantial increase but not the level they are demanding.

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Quote from: akhjob on October 27, 2019, 10:40:30 AM

Quote from: Avirunes on October 27, 2019, 09:26:56 AM

I think the board is only seeking compensation for the deal signed and the losses that the board will incurr due to the personal deal. Though I am still not sure if they will not retain due to contract breach? Will they.

As you said they'll probably ask for compensation for the loss incurred and even bar him from future series after the Indian Tour. But I don't think that he'll be kicked out of the upcoming Indian tour, as there is only a week left for the start of the tour, one of the best allrounder in the team, no better player to replace him, no announcement regarding his removal yet and he is smiling during the practice session Tongue

Why do you think that he'll be kicked out? The Bangladesh T20 squad was announced almost two weeks back, and as per the statement issued by the BCB Shakib Al Hasan will be captaining the side. They even selected Arafat Sunny, who went to jail for sexual abuse. And Minhajul Abedin justified his selection by claiming that they badly needed experienced players against India.

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Quote from: Avirunes on October 27, 2019, 09:26:56 AM

I think the board is only seeking compensation for the deal signed and the losses that the board will incurr due to the personal deal. Though I am still not sure if they will not retain due to contract breach? Will they.

As you said they'll probably ask for compensation for the loss incurred and even bar him from future series after the Indian Tour. But I don't think that he'll be kicked out of the upcoming Indian tour, as there is only a week left for the start of the tour, one of the best allrounder in the team, no better player to replace him, no announcement regarding his removal yet and he is smiling during the practice session Tongue

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The players were demanding a rise of 300% (from 35,000 taka per match to 100,000 taka). I am not sure how much they got. But I have a feeling that they are asking for too much. In India, the Ranji trophy players are being paid ₹140,000 for every four-day match. The Bangladeshi players are asking for similar salary... and I don't know whether the board can afford that.

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Quote from: Haunebu on October 27, 2019, 09:04:12 AM

Shakib might probably not perform well due to this controversy and I doubt they will retain him in the future matches due to his contract breach. Both Shakib and the board are at fault here and they need to find a way to resolve this peacefully.

I think the board is only seeking compensation for the deal signed and the losses that the board will incurr due to the personal deal. Though I am still not sure if they will not retain due to contract breach? Will they.

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Quote from: akhjob on October 27, 2019, 07:18:23 AM

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Looks like the Bangladesh team are going to face a major hurdle if Shakib is not a part of the team.

I think the legal action initiated against Shakib has nothing to do with him playing in the T20 series. The only change that I know of is Tamim Iqbal being replaced by Imrul Kayes and saifuddin being ruled out because of injury

Shakib might probably not perform well due to this controversy and I doubt they will retain him in the future matches due to his contract breach. Both Shakib and the board are at fault here and they need to find a way to resolve this peacefully.

Quote from: Sithara007 on October 27, 2019, 07:23:31 AM

BTW, the wages for domestic cricketers in Bangladesh is set to rise by 100% as per the deal reached between BCB and the players.

Not sure where you got this information from. I found out that there would be a 50% pay hike to 1st class players through the link that I shared above.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 27, 2019, 07:05:11 AM

^ Politics at it best. Hang the only cricketer who happens to be lone warrior for Bengali cricket and guess they didn't even announced Test squad for Ind vs Ban series.

It is strange to see that the players are striking against the cricket board, we have seen fights from the West Indies players and the cricket board did not listen to their demands and hence many players were not playing for sometime as they selected players who are not contracted with them and hence it is noted that the BCB agreed to their demands it looks like we will see further strikes to bend to their demands in the future.

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Quote from: akhjob on October 27, 2019, 07:18:23 AM

I think the legal action initiated against Shakib has nothing to do with him playing in the T20 series. The only change that I know of is Tamim Iqbal being replaced by Imrul Kayes.

I thought they will avoid Shakib Al Hasan from the team because of the legal actions the cricket board is going to take, he is the best player in the team and even if Shakib Al Hasan violated their contract and if he is excluded because of that the general public will voice their opinion against the cricket board and it will put pressure on them, so what are the restrictions and legal actions they are planning against him .

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