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Quote from: JSRAW on October 11, 2019, 11:49:04 PM

There is very simple solution to tackle this problem - Where home team dominates visiting team- Take away toss benefit , let visiting team decides if they want to bat or ball first. Then we are going to see very competitive games.

That is impossible to have a fair game, a good captain must have the luck to win toss as winning the toss will make a huge difference in the outcome of a match, if it is a green track no team will bat first but if it is a turning track all the team will prefer to bat first because it will be difficult to bat in the final two days. West Indies was dominating world cricket for a period of time and then Australia was dominating and now India is dominating in Test cricket.

South Africa is struggling and it looks like an innings defeat and not even rain can help them.

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Quote from: onrise on October 12, 2019, 01:21:08 AM

SA could not survive the Indian bowlers attack and as a result giving up the quick wickets. De Kock and Duplessis tried to stay on the wicket for some time but Ashwin got kock out and the game again belongs to India now. They would now like to wrap up SA innings quickly and give them follow on it seems.

As long as de Kock was there, South Africa had a chance of setting up a respectable total and even a distant chance of avoiding the follow on. But since he is gone, I think that now a follow on, and later an innings defeat looks like a surety for South Africa. Senuran Muthusamy batted well during the first test. Let's see how good he is in the second test.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 12, 2019, 12:06:11 AM

South Africa trailing by a massive 530 runs, with the last recognized batting pair at crease (Faf du Plessis and Quinton de Kock). This is going to be another record-breaking loss (in terms of margin) for South Africa. No one expected South Africa to make an upset. But at the same time, few believed that they would go down without a fight. This is going to be very humiliating for the South African fans.

And the most surprising thing is that the spinners are not yet seen in the action. All the 5 wickets that have fallen so far have been taken by the pacers (Umesh got 3, while Mohammed Shami nabbed 2). Ashwin is yet to start his spell. And this time the South Africans can't even complain that the Indians have prepared a turning track. The pitch is supportive of both the pacers and the spinners.

SA could not survive the Indian bowlers attack and as a result giving up the quick wickets. De Kock and Duplessis tried to stay on the wicket for some time but Ashwin got kock out and the game again belongs to India now. They would now like to wrap up SA innings quickly and give them follow on it seems.

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De kock out now and only Du plessis is there at crease along with lower order. I think follow-on is likely to happen now but not sure since Du plessis has gone settled now. Don't see South Africa to win this one and also draw is very unlikely to happen as well considering we still have 2 days and 2 sessions left to play.

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South Africa trailing by a massive 530 runs, with the last recognized batting pair at crease (Faf du Plessis and Quinton de Kock). This is going to be another record-breaking loss (in terms of margin) for South Africa. No one expected South Africa to make an upset. But at the same time, few believed that they would go down without a fight. This is going to be very humiliating for the South African fans.

And the most surprising thing is that the spinners are not yet seen in the action. All the 5 wickets that have fallen so far have been taken by the pacers (Umesh got 3, while Mohammed Shami nabbed 2). Ashwin is yet to start his spell. And this time the South Africans can't even complain that the Indians have prepared a turning track. The pitch is supportive of both the pacers and the spinners.

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Quote from: romero121 on October 11, 2019, 12:48:05 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 11, 2019, 07:33:26 AM

South Africa is in big trouble once again, exactly similar situation as Last Test Match. Where they were 3 down at 2nd day stump, it would be interesting to see if their middle order is ready to face the challenge or not?

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Same as the first test match things were happening. In the thread discussion came across a statement Umesh Yadav's addition to the team will help India big. The initial wickets taken by him has helped the team to be more strong and collapse the middle order. India has its opening partnership good, and this has made the team score reach 600. As in the statement South Africa's innings is much much depending on the Middle order as the performance of openers is not to the necessity of the team to fight back for a win.

Indeed, One wicket more and then South Africa is looking for follow on, then Inning defeat. Yeah i was backing Umesh Yadav inclusion turn out he did exceptionally well in dusty wickets. its looks like both teams are batting on the different track.

South Africa : 58/5

Quote from: Sithara007 on October 11, 2019, 12:52:37 PM

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My suggestion is to include India, Australia, England, New Zealand, and Pakistan in the top division

I agree with @bryant.coleman list, its logical because it depends on current ranking of test Playing nation. If its about personal choice then I would like to choose India, Australia, England , South Africa, New Zealand for bilateral series.

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But the problem is that right now we are having a very one sided series between India and South Africa (two of the teams that would have figured in the division 1). So a lot of gap exists even within these divisions as well.

There is very simple solution to tackle this problem - Where home team dominates visiting team- Take away toss benefit , let visiting team decides if they want to bat or ball first. Then we are going to see very competitive games.

* South Africa team is going through some transition period after their legend players took retirement so i am willing to give them benefit of doubt. Only time will tell.

* Sri Lanka performs once a while.

* Pakistan : Current squad is one of the weakest test team in their cricket history and they don't even want to play Test format. but they perform in patches against England though.

* Bangladesh : I am losing patience when it comes to Bengali team.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on October 11, 2019, 11:11:59 PM

But the problem is that right now we are having a very one sided series between India and South Africa (two of the teams that would have figured in the division 1). So a lot of gap exists even within these divisions as well.

Very much gap!
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Well... I am also in favor of having two divisions in test cricket. But rather than 5-7, I would like to have 6 teams in each division.

According to the latest ranking from the ICC, here is what it would look like:

Division 1:
1. India
2. New Zealand
3. South Africa
4. England
5. Australia
6. Sri Lanka

Division 2:
1. Pakistan
2. West Indies
3. Bangladesh
4. Afghanistan
5. Zimbabwe
6. Ireland

But the problem is that right now we are having a very one sided series between India and South Africa (two of the teams that would have figured in the division 1). So a lot of gap exists even within these divisions as well.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 11, 2019, 08:37:53 PM

According to the current system, the test status is permanent. So even if the performance of a team drops to very appalling levels, their test status is not taken away. In the worst case scenario, the test status is suspended, like what happened with Zimbabwe.

Zimbabwe got suspended because of political reason and not because they were performing badly, yes they are not good enough to play Test cricket but the suspension is because of the political interference and it is against the ICC code of conduct as it is an independent body and can make decisions like that.

Quote from: Sithara007 on October 11, 2019, 08:37:53 PM

If we divide the test playing nations to two divisions, then the better performing second division teams can be promoted to Div 1 and the worse performing first division teams can be relegated to Div 2.

If four teams are playing each other for the rest of the calendar year how much interest they can have. It is impossible to have divisions as ICC have a strict rule to tour all the nations in a specific period.

Quote from: Sithara007 on October 11, 2019, 08:37:53 PM

IMO, test cricket badly needs this promotion/relegation system. It will give an opportunity for new teams such as Afghanistan to move up the ladder if they perform well and it will be a warning bell to some of the old test playing nations such as West Indies, South Africa and Bangladesh. The current system actually incentivizes bad performance.

If you were following cricket you should know that South Africa white washed Pakistan 3-0 in their last tour and if you are making judgement because India is dominating you should understand that India will do the same with the rest of the teams too including England and Australia Tongue

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Quote from: ene1980 on October 11, 2019, 02:08:19 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on October 11, 2019, 12:52:37 PM

My suggestion is to include India, Australia, England, New Zealand, and Pakistan in the top division and to include the other 7 teams in the second division. 80% of the test matches should be played between teams within the same division, while the remaining 20% should be matches between first division and second division teams. And this will help in reducing the incidents of one sided matches.

These kind of differentiation will not help cricket simply because only a few nations play international cricket, if Pakistan is included then South Africa should be definitely included as they are a strong team in their home country and not every team can beat them in their home series. There was a time when India was only perform in their home series and now they have improved a lot, competition in domestic cricket can develop good players and India has done that and hence we are seeing the improvements and with the introduction of IPL there is a bigger pool of players for selection.

According to the current system, the test status is permanent. So even if the performance of a team drops to very appalling levels, their test status is not taken away. In the worst case scenario, the test status is suspended, like what happened with Zimbabwe. If we divide the test playing nations to two divisions, then the better performing second division teams can be promoted to Div 1 and the worse performing first division teams can be relegated to Div 2.

IMO, test cricket badly needs this promotion/relegation system. It will give an opportunity for new teams such as Afghanistan to move up the ladder if they perform well and it will be a warning bell to some of the old test playing nations such as West Indies, South Africa and Bangladesh. The current system actually incentivizes bad performance.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 11, 2019, 12:52:37 PM

My suggestion is to include India, Australia, England, New Zealand, and Pakistan in the top division and to include the other 7 teams in the second division. 80% of the test matches should be played between teams within the same division, while the remaining 20% should be matches between first division and second division teams. And this will help in reducing the incidents of one sided matches.

These kind of differentiation will not help cricket simply because only a few nations play international cricket, if Pakistan is included then South Africa should be definitely included as they are a strong team in their home country and not every team can beat them in their home series. There was a time when India was only perform in their home series and now they have improved a lot, competition in domestic cricket can develop good players and India has done that and hence we are seeing the improvements and with the introduction of IPL there is a bigger pool of players for selection.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 11, 2019, 12:52:37 PM

After their pathetic performance in the first test, I was hoping that South Africa would perform well at least in the second test. But now it looks like that is not going to happen. There is too much gap between the bigger nations such as India, England and Australia on the one side and the smaller nations such as South Africa, Sri Lanka.etc on the other side. The only solution is to have two divisions of test cricket.

My suggestion is to include India, Australia, England, New Zealand, and Pakistan in the top division and to include the other 7 teams in the second division. 80% of the test matches should be played between teams within the same division, while the remaining 20% should be matches between first division and second division teams. And this will help in reducing the incidents of one sided matches.

Well last time I saw encounter of Ind vs SA no one actually said that South Africa is a smaller cricketing nation. I think South Africa is a good team but they are still not mature enough to play on the foreign pitches and play with their strengths and the weaknesses of their opponents. I think you better decide to remove even Pakistan from your selection of top division after their recent performance against Sri Lanka. Many would say t20 and test are different but still this type of performance is really weird in any format of the game and that also when you are number 1 in the world.

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Quote from: romero121 on October 11, 2019, 12:48:05 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 11, 2019, 07:33:26 AM

South Africa is in big trouble once again, exactly similar situation as Last Test Match. Where they were 3 down at 2nd day stump, it would be interesting to see if their middle order is ready to face the challenge or not?

Anyways, Sharing something, it might cheer couple of Proteas's fans here.....So turns out Temba Bavuma can see the future Grin

https://twitter.com/tbavuma10/status/784682892706324480

Same as the first test match things were happening. In the thread discussion came across a statement Umesh Yadav's addition to the team will help India big. The initial wickets taken by him has helped the team to be more strong and collapse the middle order. India has its opening partnership good, and this has made the team score reach 600. As in the statement South Africa's innings is much much depending on the Middle order as the performance of openers is not to the necessity of the team to fight back for a win.

Indian batsman and bowlers are ruling the test match with the all round performance of the team in every department is helping them to take the control of the match right from the beginning and thus due to pressure SA is losing quick wickets .

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After their pathetic performance in the first test, I was hoping that South Africa would perform well at least in the second test. But now it looks like that is not going to happen. There is too much gap between the bigger nations such as India, England and Australia on the one side and the smaller nations such as South Africa, Sri Lanka.etc on the other side. The only solution is to have two divisions of test cricket.

My suggestion is to include India, Australia, England, New Zealand, and Pakistan in the top division and to include the other 7 teams in the second division. 80% of the test matches should be played between teams within the same division, while the remaining 20% should be matches between first division and second division teams. And this will help in reducing the incidents of one sided matches.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 11, 2019, 07:33:26 AM

South Africa is in big trouble once again, exactly similar situation as Last Test Match. Where they were 3 down at 2nd day stump, it would be interesting to see if their middle order is ready to face the challenge or not?

Anyways, Sharing something, it might cheer couple of Proteas's fans here.....So turns out Temba Bavuma can see the future Grin

https://twitter.com/tbavuma10/status/784682892706324480

Same as the first test match things were happening. In the thread discussion came across a statement Umesh Yadav's addition to the team will help India big. The initial wickets taken by him has helped the team to be more strong and collapse the middle order. India has its opening partnership good, and this has made the team score reach 600. As in the statement South Africa's innings is much much depending on the Middle order as the performance of openers is not to the necessity of the team to fight back for a win.

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Quote from: Haunebu on October 11, 2019, 07:04:26 AM

You might be one of the few people in the world who actually thinks that South Africa still has a chance in this game. The only thing that can save South Africa currently is the rain and nothing else since they are already lost 3 wickets.

If i am inquiring about the declaration even after scoring 600 runs you came to a conclusion that South Africa has a chance to win the match Roll Eyes

. The reason i was saying is because India has put enough runs on the board and they need to put pressure back to the South African players because the team members were really tired after fielding for two days and India need to exploit that rather than delaying the declaration.

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South Africa is in big trouble once again, exactly similar situation as Last Test Match. Where they were 3 down at 2nd day stump, it would be interesting to see if their middle order is ready to face the challenge or not?

Anyways, Sharing something, it might cheer couple of Proteas's fans here.....So turns out Temba Bavuma can see the future Grin

https://twitter.com/tbavuma10/status/784682892706324480

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Quote from: ene1980 on October 11, 2019, 05:07:25 AM

What is the point in chasing personal milestones and they are delaying the declaration for Jadeja to score his century and Kohli to score his highest score and they have already scored 600 runs and still batting, they are batting at over 8 runs per over but if South African players can play these kind of innings then it will end up in a draw, the pitch is having some turn but the South African spinners are not able to take advantage of that and the fielding positions are not helping either as the Indian players are scoring these runs with ease.

You might be one of the few people in the world who actually thinks that South Africa still has a chance in this game. The only thing that can save South Africa currently is the rain and nothing else since they are already lost 3 wickets.

Personal milestones are worth it if the team is in a good position(India are in a fabulous position) though I did not expect Kohli to declare before a triple century. Yadav is on a roll along with Shami and it is almost game over for South Africa.

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Quote from: ene1980 on October 11, 2019, 05:07:25 AM

What is the point in chasing personal milestones and they are delaying the declaration

The point is to win the match by an innings as South Africa already lost two wickets Tongue

. Now the pitch has turned to a bowling wicket as South Africa is finding it difficult to play the ball and Umesh Yadav has bowled two beautiful deliveries and showed his inclusion as the right decision, before the match i wanted to have three spinners in the team but they know better about the pitch.

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At jadeja's dismissal, India declared for 601 and now Umesh Yadav strikes in his 1st over removing Markaram. The score is 2/1 for South Africa. Indian team would be happy with the inclusion of Yadav for the 2nd Test as he started with a bang. Looking at the current situation, I think India won't need to bat the 2nd innings.

Edit : Umesh strikes again in his 2nd over Shocked

For Elgar, indecision costed his wicket. SA 14/2
Wait did they lose another wicket... No. Bavuma safe

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